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This has been the case all year. M Williams and Rogers are fighting to make the team much less be #2.Though I believe Rogers will be #2 in stats by the end of the year.
There is no way I consider a guy who can be an effective WR/S/ST player expendable... Just IMO.
The Lions held Charles Rogers out of practice Wednesday.Rogers was healthy and had no idea why he was held out of practice. It looks like the drama surrounding Rogers in Detroit is not over and Corey Bradford's hold on the starting job is strong.
Martz brought the guy to the Rams last year, had the confidence in him to pull off a midseason position change, then brought him to Detroit. I don't think he's going anywhere.This is disappointing because I had been hearing good things about Rogers. I thought he was pushing for the starting job.
I just don't think he's a Martz guy. Doesn't have enough speed.He should catch on somewhere though, since he does a lot of things well.
I am NOT a Rogers fan, but that being said, its way too early to give up on him in this preseason . . . check back in a month . . . I still say that Rogers will be some kind of factor this year . . . Furrey will probably be selling insurance in the fall . . .
Glenn Martinez? I've been expecting Furrey and Drummond to make it, but this would be a shocker.SammyJankis said:
by the looks of your squad in your sig, your a monster at evaluating tallent. wooooo! scary!keep it up stud.Corey Bradford.....BRAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHA!!!!!!!Corey Bradford....benched by week 2 if they are actually stupid enough to start this hack in the 1st place.
Not sure I agree with that, have to agree with BlueOnion.Martz seemed to really like using Proehl for quite awhile in STL. Wouldn't be surprising at all to me if Vines locked up that Proehl role in the DET offense. I like Roy Williams but he doesn't have the surest hands in the NFL and Bradford has never been known as a "possession" WR so Vines would be a pretty logical #3 WR imo. But to be perfectly honest I have very, very little faith in Rogers in DET period and in Williams in the Martz offense.
So you don't think either makes the team then?
by the looks of your squad in your sig, your a monster at evaluating tallent. wooooo! scary!keep it up stud.Corey Bradford.....BRAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHA!!!!!!!Corey Bradford....
I've seen better rosters in 30 team leagues.
I sure hope not. But if Rogers doesn't show up this year, he could be well on his way to Ryan Leaf land. It's sad really. There have been a large number of 1st round WR busts, but I can't remember any that were as highly regarded as Rogers in college. The guy was all-world. He was truly a "can't miss" prospect that looked like a perfect fit for a young Lions team. I sincerely hope he finds a way to make an impact this year.I can still remember the discussions on who was the better WR pick for the 2003 draft: Rogers or Andre Johnson. In hindsight, neither one of these guys deserved to go top 5. In fact, the first five WR selected that year haven't really done squat (Rogers, AJ, Bryant Johson, Taylor Jacobs, Bethel Johnson). Thank God that Anquan Boldin didn't slip past the second round.
I thought David "Mr. Bomb Diggety" Terrell, had that label all locked up.
I thought of that too. More likely though is that he broke some team rule or other.Then again, I may buy into the methane-spontaneous combustion theory...
Exactly. What's his trade value anyway? 1/2 a Stallworth? 1/3 a Lelie? The only way somebody gives up a second day pick for Rogers is if it's a team that isn't deep at WR in the first place and loses one or two of them to injury.
I disagree. I think Andre Johnson has suffered from a severe case of "Good WR/Bad Team". He almost got 1,000 yards as a rookie, which is incredible (Boldin, Moss, and Clayton are the only rookies I can think of that have done it in the past decade or two). He got 1142/6 as a sophomore, which are very solid numbers. Then he bombed last year. Like I said, good WR, bad team. He had more receiving yards as a rookie than Chris Chambers had any year until last year (his fifth), and he had more receiving yards as a sophomore than Chambers has ever had at any point in his career, and yet Chambers is somehow the next big thing. (note: I think Chambers is drastically overrated, I'm just providing some perspective).
David Terrell: #8 overall.Charles Rogers: #2 overall.
Yeah, we're going "gaga" over a WR2 in Detroit.
Can we just agree that they both suck donkey balls?I disagree. I think Andre Johnson has suffered from a severe case of "Good WR/Bad Team". He almost got 1,000 yards as a rookie, which is incredible (Boldin, Moss, and Clayton are the only rookies I can think of that have done it in the past decade or two). He got 1142/6 as a sophomore, which are very solid numbers. Then he bombed last year. Like I said, good WR, bad team. He had more receiving yards as a rookie than Chris Chambers had any year until last year (his fifth), and he had more receiving yards as a sophomore than Chambers has ever had at any point in his career, and yet Chambers is somehow the next big thing. (note: I think Chambers is drastically overrated, I'm just providing some perspective).David Terrell: #8 overall.Charles Rogers: #2 overall.
David Terrell's numbers as a rooke: 34/415/4
Charles Roger's career numbers (3 years): 36/440/4
Any questions?
Well, yeah, but it's a question of how large the donkey balls in question are. I mean, Charles Rogers is sucking donkey balls of truly historic proportions here. He's the Ryan Leaf of WRs.
Hard to think that a guy who couldn't beat out Gaffney is going to be a starter over Rogers or BMW, though I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt after being in the quagmire in Houston.Corey Bradford.....BRAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHA!!!!!!!Corey Bradford....
Corey Bradford.....BRAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHA!!!!!!!Corey Bradford....
Corey Bradford.....BRAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHA!!!!!!!Corey Bradford....
Another point, he may not count as 5th on the WR depth chart but as a backup S. Coaches make exception to their roster plan for guys like that
Yeah it does and from what I've read Rogers is closer than Mike Williams to behaving the way they want. He's actually had a couple good reports floated around(some posted here). I would guess they're "nipping something in the bud" here to not wreck that progress.I need a good Mike Williams report before I start to think he's Rashaun Woods II
Martz made an exception for Proehl in his offens. He had a great player at picking spots. Every other slot has filled the Martz unspoken speed requirement.Vines is fine IMO. He seems to be the smartest WR and has played all 3 spots in the past AND special teams. He also is normal and not like the pamperred #1s in workout+showing up for practice etc. I'd bet he's fine.
weakHe's always been a "just deep" WR. He's excellent at it but very one dimensional.I'd bet he's not so unlike Kevin Johnson in DET last year
