Ronnie Brown is going too high on Draft Boards (1 Viewer)

[gradin123]

I saw Ronnie Brown for the fist time with my own eyes tonight and I wasn't impressed. Yeah I know it's preseason and the weather took all the flow out of the game tonight but that being said I still wasn't impressed with Brown's explosiveness. I know it was only one game but he is a guy who really is being drafted much higher than his performance last year would warrant.

I know the reasons behind the upgrades. 2nd year off injury, improved line, good camp, aging Ricky Williams. But, what I saw tonight was that he still doesn't seem to have the same burst he had pre-injury and the rotation between him and Ricky doesn't seemed to have changed much.

I think people are over valuing him at this point. Does he have upside? For sure. But to expect a return to his start of 2007 is a big reach.

 

[Routilla]

How did Pennington look?

 

[thehornet]

Thanks. We have about 30 other threads devoted to this type of discussion. Seriously, just use the search function. There is plenty of comments about how the player performs in preseason games in those threads.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I wasn't impressed with Ronnie Brown tonight

Just got off the phone with Ronnie and he passes on that he wasn't all that impressed with you tonight either.

 

[gradin123]

How did Pennington look?

Not very good. It was a sloppy game for the whole offense and the rain didn't help. I know Parcells has worked heavily on the OL since he came on but it's not really translating into a dominant run game yet. They were still struggling to create holes tonight.

 

[davearm]

Hey gradin I appreciate the comments since I couldn't see the game and have Brown on my radar in the 3rd round.

I'm thinking even harder now about jumping Grant ahead of Brown on my board.

 

[MCguidance]

Hey gradin I appreciate the comments since I couldn't see the game and have Brown on my radar in the 3rd round.I'm thinking even harder now about jumping Grant ahead of Brown on my board.

Agree, and I like Kevin Smith around that area a bit more, too.

 

[gradin123]

Hey gradin I appreciate the comments since I couldn't see the game and have Brown on my radar in the 3rd round.I'm thinking even harder now about jumping Grant ahead of Brown on my board.

No problem. One thing that stood out for me was that Ricky Williams was still seeing significant time with the first string offense.I think the Dolphins were trying to go with their starters much more tonight as is often the case with the third preseason game and it seems like they still may be committed to the committee between Brown and Ricky Williams. I think most people are assuming that Brown is line for a much bigger workload and that might still happen but maybe not right out of the gate.

 

[gradin123]

Hey gradin I appreciate the comments since I couldn't see the game and have Brown on my radar in the 3rd round.I'm thinking even harder now about jumping Grant ahead of Brown on my board.

Agree, and I like Kevin Smith around that area a bit more, too.

For me Kevin Smith is definitely ahead of Brown. I also would lean more towards Grant now as well.In fact, another so called sleeper that I might consider over Brown now is Ray Rice. To me the Ravens have a more consistent running game and Rice may in fact see more touches that Brown this year and he is younger with no major injury history .

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Hey gradin I appreciate the comments since I couldn't see the game and have Brown on my radar in the 3rd round.I'm thinking even harder now about jumping Grant ahead of Brown on my board.

Agree, and I like Kevin Smith around that area a bit more, too.

For me Kevin Smith is definitely ahead of Brown. I also would lean more towards Grant now as well.In fact, another so called sleeper that I might consider over Brown now is Ray Rice. To me the Ravens have a more consistent running game and Rice may in fact see more touches that Brown this year and he is younger with no major injury history .

PRE-SEASON. Just a friendly reminder.

 

[jacobo_moses]

Look at Maurice Jones Drew game today. With the exception of a big reception he didn't do all that great either. Don't read too much into pre season.

 

[massraider]

I am going to continue to bump this thread till after my drafts.

Ya hear that, fellow WCOFF drafters? RONNIE DIDN'T LOOK GOOD.

 

[two_dollars]

Ronnie is still in an RBBC it seems, and the OL had a hard time moving things. Late 3rd/ Early 4th if you really like the guy, but there are other RB's out there at the same ADP who are more clear cut feature backs. His physical numbers are enticing, but it's still a risk. I see no problem with Rice ahead of him in PPR. There was a lot of talk about Ronnie lining up everywhere for more touches or something, but no one has seen anything close to that when the game is actually being played.

 

[gradin123]

Look at Maurice Jones Drew game today. With the exception of a big reception he didn't do all that great either. Don't read too much into pre season.

I don't think I am. The thing is that Ronnie Brown is far from a sure thing though. I think a lot of the preseason/training camp buzz has him going higher than he should be. If you look strictly at his numbers last year he should be drafted much lower than he is going at. So for him I think the preseason(especially tonight's game) does carry a bit more weight than say Jones- Drew.Btw, i still expect improvement out of Ronnie Brown this year but maybe not as much as I was thinking a week ago.

 

[az_prof]

Offense in preseason is vanilla. One bad preseason game where the offense had no rhythym doesn't mean that Brown sucks. One thing I have learned: I don't watch preseason to see how stars perform or don't perform. I watch it to see how rookies play and how players in new roles respond. That's it.

 

[gradin123]

Offense in preseason is vanilla. One bad preseason game where the offense had no rhythym doesn't mean that Brown sucks. One thing I have learned: I don't watch preseason to see how stars perform or don't perform. I watch it to see how rookies play and how players in new roles respond. That's it.

Well I guess the most important thing isn't how Brown looked but that it doesn't look like his role has changed much from last year. I was watching as much for that as anything else and it still looks like more of a committee than what I was expecting to see.

 

[Sebowski]

I am going to continue to bump this thread till after my drafts.Ya hear that, fellow WCOFF drafters? RONNIE DIDN'T LOOK GOOD.

My initial feeling was that the OP was thinking something similar.

 

[massraider]

Offense in preseason is vanilla. One bad preseason game where the offense had no rhythym doesn't mean that Brown sucks. One thing I have learned: I don't watch preseason to see how stars perform or don't perform. I watch it to see how rookies play and how players in new roles respond. That's it.

Well I guess the most important thing isn't how Brown looked but that it doesn't look like his role has changed much from last year. I was watching as much for that as anything else and it still looks like more of a committee than what I was expecting to see.

Ah, see, I think that preseason isn't a very good indicator of how teams will use their backs. At all. Teams are trying to get guys work, and seeing how they do in different situations, that they might not do in the regular season. To draw a conclusion based on preseason how a committee might shake out is dangerous, IMO.

 

[Ozymandias]

I wasn't impressed with Ronnie Brown tonight

Just got off the phone with Ronnie and he passes on that he wasn't all that impressed with you tonight either.

 

[gradin123]

I wasn't impressed with Ronnie Brown tonight

Just got off the phone with Ronnie and he passes on that he wasn't all that impressed with you tonight either.

Yeah but your wife........nah I won't go there despite the fact you set it up so well.

 

[gradin123]

Offense in preseason is vanilla. One bad preseason game where the offense had no rhythym doesn't mean that Brown sucks. One thing I have learned: I don't watch preseason to see how stars perform or don't perform. I watch it to see how rookies play and how players in new roles respond. That's it.

Well I guess the most important thing isn't how Brown looked but that it doesn't look like his role has changed much from last year. I was watching as much for that as anything else and it still looks like more of a committee than what I was expecting to see.

Ah, see, I think that preseason isn't a very good indicator of how teams will use their backs. At all. Teams are trying to get guys work, and seeing how they do in different situations, that they might not do in the regular season. To draw a conclusion based on preseason how a committee might shake out is dangerous, IMO.

So they are trying to give Ricky Williams work to see how the young buck looks? I don't buy that.See the thing is the Dolphins have never actually said that Brown's role will be significantly increased this year or that Ricky's will be decreased. People are assuming that will happen. But barring injury to Williams I am suggesting that may be a faulty assumption.I ask this: To those expecting Brown's role to increase significantly this year what lead you to that conclusion?

 

[massraider]

Offense in preseason is vanilla. One bad preseason game where the offense had no rhythym doesn't mean that Brown sucks. One thing I have learned: I don't watch preseason to see how stars perform or don't perform. I watch it to see how rookies play and how players in new roles respond. That's it.

Well I guess the most important thing isn't how Brown looked but that it doesn't look like his role has changed much from last year. I was watching as much for that as anything else and it still looks like more of a committee than what I was expecting to see.

Ah, see, I think that preseason isn't a very good indicator of how teams will use their backs. At all. Teams are trying to get guys work, and seeing how they do in different situations, that they might not do in the regular season. To draw a conclusion based on preseason how a committee might shake out is dangerous, IMO.

So they are trying to give Ricky Williams work to see how the young buck looks? I don't buy that.See the thing is the Dolphins have never actually said that Brown's role will be significantly increased this year or that Ricky's will be decreased. People are assuming that will happen. But barring injury to Williams I am suggesting that may be a faulty assumption.

I think it based on the fact that Ronnie is no longer coming of an injury, like he was last year.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

Hey gradin I appreciate the comments since I couldn't see the game and have Brown on my radar in the 3rd round.I'm thinking even harder now about jumping Grant ahead of Brown on my board.

No problem. One thing that stood out for me was that Ricky Williams was still seeing significant time with the first string offense.I think the Dolphins were trying to go with their starters much more tonight as is often the case with the third preseason game and it seems like they still may be committed to the committee between Brown and Ricky Williams. I think most people are assuming that Brown is line for a much bigger workload and that might still happen but maybe not right out of the gate.

The Dolphins had 17 offensive plays in the 1st half. Brown was the target or received the ball on 7 of those. Williams got 2. Brown didn't play in the 2nd half. Williams did.

 

[deliverator]

If preseason is an indicator, you left out last week when he had 74 total yards and a TD in three series of action.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Hey gradin I appreciate the comments since I couldn't see the game and have Brown on my radar in the 3rd round.I'm thinking even harder now about jumping Grant ahead of Brown on my board.

No problem. One thing that stood out for me was that Ricky Williams was still seeing significant time with the first string offense.I think the Dolphins were trying to go with their starters much more tonight as is often the case with the third preseason game and it seems like they still may be committed to the committee between Brown and Ricky Williams. I think most people are assuming that Brown is line for a much bigger workload and that might still happen but maybe not right out of the gate.

There is NO chance Ricky starts over Brown. This is wrong. Ricky has little left in the tank. All he can do is take what the defense and line give him now, he creates nothing. Brown is a good rb, don't take a soaking field in preseason for anything in the regular season. Brown is far superior to Ricky and any person who has watched the Dolphins over the past 2 years knows this. I think Gradin is fishing here.

 

[shader]

Hey guys..it's PRESEASON!!!

 

[Black]

I saw Ronnie Brown for the fist time with my own eyes tonight and I wasn't impressed. Yeah I know it's preseason and the weather took all the flow out of the game tonight but that being said I still wasn't impressed with Brown's explosiveness. I know it was only one game but he is a guy who really is being drafted much higher than his performance last year would warrant.

I know the reasons behind the upgrades. 2nd year off injury, improved line, good camp, aging Ricky Williams. But, what I saw tonight was that he still doesn't seem to have the same burst he had pre-injury and the rotation between him and Ricky doesn't seemed to have changed much.

I think people are over valuing him at this point. Does he have upside? For sure. But to expect a return to his start of 2007 is a big reach.

I think that is the killer there. Ricky has been an afterthought, but seems to be right in the mix.Most everyone is of the belief Ronnie's a 20+ carry back now that he's 2 years removed from ACL injury. I keep reading "he'll become the 20 carry/game back the Dolphins drafted in 200x"

Anyways...I have just gone thru an iteration in mock drafts where I am taking him around round 3, but am back to going a different direction there. I don't think things will change much from the shared duties with Ricky.

 

[NCPanthersFan]

 

[Dolfan]

This is why I don't even think about making my projections until after I see some pre-season games...

You really can't go by what guys did the past few years -- you really have to see how they look in the pre-season THIS year and how the coaches are playing them and what-not...

 

[Max Power]

As a Brown owner, I'm somewhat on the fence about this. He is going mid-late third in 12 team drafts which seems about right. The guy has some serious upside, but also one of the lower floors for that tier of RBs...

 

[Gatorman]

On this thought process, you best draft caddy before brown as well.

Look, ronnie brown is a 20 - 25 carry guy whose last 10 carries are usually better than his first 10 because he pounds on you. Giving him 5 carries in a PS game tells you nothing.

FWIW, the year he broke out (with Cam Cameron before RB got hurt) he looked rather pedestrian in the preseason as well and it looked like (I think it was the old RB for the jets) was going to split time with him in RBBC. After 6 games, ronnie was far and away the #1 back in FF.

If the fins give him 25 touches behind that o line, he could be real special. The fact that he is in the third is because he hasn't done that for 16 games.

Gator

 

[Matt Waldman]

Brown looked far more explosive against the Panthers last week. I wouldn't worry too much about him. The entire Dolphins team looked out of sync if you asked me. It seemed Sparano was yelling after every other play for some mistake one of his players made.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I wasn't impressed with Ronnie Brown tonight

Just got off the phone with Ronnie and he passes on that he wasn't all that impressed with you tonight either.

Yeah but your wife........nah I won't go there despite the fact you set it up so well.

Do you have a comedy act in Vegas? Free admission to that?

 

[switz]

No problem. One thing that stood out for me was that Ricky Williams was still seeing significant time with the first string offense.I think the Dolphins were trying to go with their starters much more tonight as is often the case with the third preseason game and it seems like they still may be committed to the committee between Brown and Ricky Williams. I think most people are assuming that Brown is line for a much bigger workload and that might still happen but maybe not right out of the gate.

I'm not sure why anyone thinks Ricky Williams is going to be reduced to a backup. He's a bit older, but he's still a very good RB, and honestly, I don't think Brown is any better as a runner. Brown will get more receptions, but their carries will be pretty close to 60-40 IMO.

 

[switz]

I wasn't impressed with Ronnie Brown tonight

Just got off the phone with Ronnie and he passes on that he wasn't all that impressed with you tonight either.

Yeah but your wife........nah I won't go there despite the fact you set it up so well.

Do you have a comedy act in Vegas? Free admission to that?

Wow... already get to put you on ignore... yippeee.

 

[gump]

No problem. One thing that stood out for me was that Ricky Williams was still seeing significant time with the first string offense.I think the Dolphins were trying to go with their starters much more tonight as is often the case with the third preseason game and it seems like they still may be committed to the committee between Brown and Ricky Williams. I think most people are assuming that Brown is line for a much bigger workload and that might still happen but maybe not right out of the gate.

I'm not sure why anyone thinks Ricky Williams is going to be reduced to a backup. He's a bit older, but he's still a very good RB, and honestly, I don't think Brown is any better as a runner. Brown will get more receptions, but their carries will be pretty close to 60-40 IMO.

The scuttlebutt in Miami (from Cefalo, Lebatard) around Nov last season was that the only reason Brown wasn't getting more of a workload was that he was still not 100%. If that was true, and he's 100% now...the expection should be that he'd get more than what he was getting the 2nd half of last season, right?

 

[Knobs]

No problem. One thing that stood out for me was that Ricky Williams was still seeing significant time with the first string offense.I think the Dolphins were trying to go with their starters much more tonight as is often the case with the third preseason game and it seems like they still may be committed to the committee between Brown and Ricky Williams. I think most people are assuming that Brown is line for a much bigger workload and that might still happen but maybe not right out of the gate.

I'm not sure why anyone thinks Ricky Williams is going to be reduced to a backup. He's a bit older, but he's still a very good RB, and honestly, I don't think Brown is any better as a runner. Brown will get more receptions, but their carries will be pretty close to 60-40 IMO.

The scuttlebutt in Miami (from Cefalo, Lebatard) around Nov last season was that the only reason Brown wasn't getting more of a workload was that he was still not 100%. If that was true, and he's 100% now...the expection should be that he'd get more than what he was getting the 2nd half of last season, right?

Huh, I hadn't read that. I own Ronnie but has been leaning in the 'this is more rbbc than people care to admit' camp, but that info could sway me into keeping Brown this year. Where have you heard this?

 

[gump]

The scuttlebutt in Miami (from Cefalo, Lebatard) around Nov last season was that the only reason Brown wasn't getting more of a workload was that he was still not 100%. If that was true, and he's 100% now...the expection should be that he'd get more than what he was getting the 2nd half of last season, right?

Huh, I hadn't read that. I own Ronnie but has been leaning in the 'this is more rbbc than people care to admit' camp, but that info could sway me into keeping Brown this year. Where have you heard this?

I've mentioned it before here...but it was just talk radio speculation from Jimmy Cefalo, Dan Lebatard, and those local guys. I was working alot in Miami last early Nov, and heard it discussed several times. Of course, the conversations were centered around the 'Fins playoff run, not fantasy, and why Ronnie was less involved later in the year.I don't know if there is any published proof, but NFL players/teams don't always discuss injuries. Not sure what Parcells reputation is in that regard.

 

[BigJim®]

Meh, I'll be happy to get Brown at whatever his ADP is right now. It's pretty silly IMHO to base an opinion on 4 carries, or read into the number of carries any back gets (with the first team or otherwise) in preseason action. I always assume that guys who are not fighting for roster spots are merely playing to avoid injury. The bottom line is Brown had 4 of the 25 total Dolphin carries which led to an overall 3.2 YPC Dolphins rushing performance. Not once did I think "Boy, did you see that gaping hole Ronnie failed to run through?" Bad run blocking by the Dolphin offensive line generally last night IMHO.

 

[Knobs]

Thanks for the info gump.

 

[switz]

Look at Maurice Jones Drew game today. With the exception of a big reception he didn't do all that great either. Don't read too much into pre season.

Makes my worries about the JAX OL go up... they looked horrible, really really horrible.

 

[Knobs]

The thing to worry about (if you were going to worry about anything) isn't how Ronnie looked. I'd be more concerned with how the offensive line looked. In a word, they were awful.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Offense in preseason is vanilla. One bad preseason game where the offense had no rhythym doesn't mean that Brown sucks. One thing I have learned: I don't watch preseason to see how stars perform or don't perform. I watch it to see how rookies play and how players in new roles respond. That's it.

 

[T Bell]

I wasn't impressed with Ronnie Brown tonight

Just got off the phone with Ronnie and he passes on that he wasn't all that impressed with you tonight either.

 

[footballnerd]

Hey gradin I appreciate the comments since I couldn't see the game and have Brown on my radar in the 3rd round.I'm thinking even harder now about jumping Grant ahead of Brown on my board.

Agree, and I like Kevin Smith around that area a bit more, too.

For me Kevin Smith is definitely ahead of Brown. I also would lean more towards Grant now as well.In fact, another so called sleeper that I might consider over Brown now is Ray Rice. To me the Ravens have a more consistent running game and Rice may in fact see more touches that Brown this year and he is younger with no major injury history .

I just drafted Brown, Smith and Rice in that order to run with ADP at the RB2 spot. I say if brown can get back to form he'd have a high reward to owners. I'm not sure about taking him in the 2nd or early 3rd tho, I got him at the end of the 4th in a 10 team and I'm content with that. If you take Brown you better back him up with another starter.

 

[gregjcross]

I saw Ronnie Brown for the fist time with my own eyes tonight and I wasn't impressed. Yeah I know it's preseason and the weather took all the flow out of the game tonight but that being said I still wasn't impressed with Brown's explosiveness. I know it was only one game but he is a guy who really is being drafted much higher than his performance last year would warrant.I know the reasons behind the upgrades. 2nd year off injury, improved line, good camp, aging Ricky Williams. But, what I saw tonight was that he still doesn't seem to have the same burst he had pre-injury and the rotation between him and Ricky doesn't seemed to have changed much.I think people are over valuing him at this point. Does he have upside? For sure. But to expect a return to his start of 2007 is a big reach.

Brown never looks very hot in preseason games. He's played 5 straight years in them and never broke free for a TD whatever. The guy is really built for Sundays. Does that make him a good pick in early rounds, probably not. I believe that Sparano is going to screw his production by mixing in lots of Patrick Cobbs & R. Wiliiams, just like last year, so I wouldnt reach for him in a draft. But if they decide to give him the ball multiple times on every series, like 2007, look out.

 

[newteech]

The thing to worry about (if you were going to worry about anything) isn't how Ronnie looked. I'd be more concerned with how the offensive line looked. In a word, they were awful.

I thought Pennington looked worse. I must have counted 5 times he overthrew his receivers by 20 feet.If you're a Brown owner I think you have to worry more about Pennington killing drives for you than anything else.

 

[j3r3m3y]

I saw Ronnie Brown for the fist time with my own eyes tonight and I wasn't impressed. Yeah I know it's preseason and the weather took all the flow out of the game tonight but that being said I still wasn't impressed with Brown's explosiveness. I know it was only one game but he is a guy who really is being drafted much higher than his performance last year would warrant.I know the reasons behind the upgrades. 2nd year off injury, improved line, good camp, aging Ricky Williams. But, what I saw tonight was that he still doesn't seem to have the same burst he had pre-injury and the rotation between him and Ricky doesn't seemed to have changed much.I think people are over valuing him at this point. Does he have upside? For sure. But to expect a return to his start of 2007 is a big reach.

When I see a post like this, one that questions a players ADP based on part of one pre-season game, I can't help but think they are fishing. Either that or they are the type who like to make "predictions" that are contrarian so if by some miracle they are right they can dig it up later and gloat.Gradin, serious question: Is this the first time you have watched him run?

 

[UnknownCoach]

Brown will never be the most exciting running back to watch. He isnt special in any way. However he is good at everything which is his ticket to success. As long as the rest of the team is playing well, Ronnie will be fine. He's also playing for a contract this year. He's an easy plug in as a fantasy RB2 where the owner doesnt have to be too concerned with matchup. His upside isnt the highest but he's more likely to be close to filling it.

 

[cubbie5150]

Brown will never be the most exciting running back to watch. He isnt special in any way. However he is good at everything which is his ticket to success. As long as the rest of the team is playing well, Ronnie will be fine. He's also playing for a contract this year. He's an easy plug in as a fantasy RB2 where the owner doesnt have to be too concerned with matchup. His upside isnt the highest but he's more likely to be close to filling it.

QFTStart Ronnie, and no fuss, no muss...