Ronnie could still start week 1 (1 Viewer)

[sholditch]

Just read that Sparano said that Ricky isn't the week 1 starter yet and that he needs to see more of Brown.

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Thursday, Brown should be ready to go when the Dolphins visit New Orleans for their final exhibition game, coach Tony Sparano said.

"We're just going to take him out there, go through pre-game warm-ups, do those kinds of things, and then I'd like to try to play him," Sparano said. "And we'll see whether or not we can get some carries."

Brown injured his thumb Aug. 16 at Jacksonville. He has been adamant that the injury is not serious and that he wouldn't have missed any time if this were the regular season.

In the meantime, Brown has been able to further strengthen his surgically repaired right knee in preparation for the regular-season opener Sept. 7 against the New York Jets.

Since he hurt his thumb, Brown has slipped down the depth chart behind Ricky Williams, but Sparano said he is not ready to anoint Williams the starter.

"I need to see more of Ronnie before I make that decision," Sparano said. "If I don't see a whole lot more Ronnie, then Ricky will start."

 

[sholditch]

wow, not a single reply to this thread?

 

[jurb26]

R. Brown's demise has been greatly exaggerated.

 

[AnonymousBob]

He's no Rudi Johnson?

 

[big0mar]

Williams has outplayed Brown so far, I don't see that changing

 

[jurb26]

Williams has outplayed Brown so far, I don't see that changing

 

[sholditch]

R. Brown's demise has been greatly exaggerated.

My thoughts exactly. When Williams was tabbed starter, the thread was about 5 pages long. Now, when reality comes crashing in, crickets. I hope owners cashed in on the Ricky hysteria.

 

[big0mar]

It's not so much that Brown hasn't played well. Ricky has just been that impressive

 

[BigSteelThrill]

The 4th preseason game being "the" fulcrum to decide something like this. That's new.

 

[jurb26]

It's not so much that Brown hasn't played well. Ricky has just been that impressive

Brown has been nursing injuries and been held back. Of course the guy fighting for his job "looks" better right now.

 

[Desert_Power]

R. Brown's demise has been greatly exaggerated.

My thoughts exactly. When Williams was tabbed starter, the thread was about 5 pages long. Now, when reality comes crashing in, crickets. I hope owners cashed in on the Ricky hysteria.

Oh I did in a big way.

 

[sholditch]

R. Brown's demise has been greatly exaggerated.

My thoughts exactly. When Williams was tabbed starter, the thread was about 5 pages long. Now, when reality comes crashing in, crickets. I hope owners cashed in on the Ricky hysteria.

Oh I did in a big way.

 

[-jb-]

we'll see a lot of both of them, health-permitting. the phins need to be a ball control team if they want any shot at all. that probably means 175+ carries for each of them. chad is there to manage the drive, fasano is there to move the chains, and the RB/RW combo is there to run the clock. the occasional deep try to ginn, and you've got the 2008 dolphins.

 

[Gr00vus]

R. Brown's demise has been greatly exaggerated.

My thoughts exactly. When Williams was tabbed starter, the thread was about 5 pages long. Now, when reality comes crashing in, crickets. I hope owners cashed in on the Ricky hysteria.

Maybe no one's commenting because nothing's happened yet?Frankly, it doesn't matter who "starts" - both of these guys will see time if they're healthy. It remains to be seen if Brown is healthy enough to play week 1. Getting heavily invested in either one is a bad idea - I'd latch on only if the price was right.That said, you can pry $8 Ricky Williams on my subscriber contest team from my cold dead hands!

 

[gregjcross]

we'll see a lot of both of them, health-permitting. the phins need to be a ball control team if they want any shot at all. that probably means 175+ carries for each of them. chad is there to manage the drive, fasano is there to move the chains, and the RB/RW combo is there to run the clock. the occasional deep try to ginn, and you've got the 2008 dolphins.

That is too simplified. Too logical. THe game situation will determine everything, and i doubt it goes "accordign to plan" more than 60% of the time. But if the O-line is "as advertised" then above becomes something possible.

 

[3nOut]

R. Brown's demise has been greatly exaggerated.

My thoughts exactly. When Williams was tabbed starter, the thread was about 5 pages long. Now, when reality comes crashing in, crickets. I hope owners cashed in on the Ricky hysteria.

Maybe no one's commenting because nothing's happened yet?Frankly, it doesn't matter who "starts" - both of these guys will see time if they're healthy. It remains to be seen if Brown is healthy enough to play week 1. Getting heavily invested in either one is a bad idea - I'd latch on only if the price was right.

That said, you can pry $8 Ricky Williams on my subscriber contest team from my cold dead hands!

Weird, for some reason, I've been thinking about this all day. I was actully going to start a thread on the value of the Miami Dolphins RB duo. In leagues where you can carry a limited amount of players at each position (we can only carry 4) how valuable is handcuffing both Ricky and Ronnie. To get both, you would either have to draft both of them high as a combo RB2, or trade for one. Is the Miami running game strong enough to merit RB2 consideration? The problem I have with this is that they will either be an RBBC splitting carries (which reduces the value of each), or you will be guessing one week to another which to start. The positive is that if one goes down, you are assured a good RB2. But together, are they worth it? So basically, would you prefer to invest in Ricky and Ronnie as your RB2 and RB3 or would you go for someone not in a RBBC (or in least of one) like Bush or Grant as your RB2 and still have one roster spot open for a young flier prospect like Torrain, Hightower, or J. Hester?

Also, if both Miami RBs are healthy, which will have the better stats, and which will get the GL carries?

 

[Ivanhoe]

R brown and R williams are both Question marks as to how they will be used until you actually see them in real games played.

I wouldnt start either one not until i see more from them.

Both players will hurt the other player in fantasy.. but will probably be better for their football team to win games.

 

[sholditch]

Here is how I see it working (just a guess)

Week 1: 60% RW, 40% RB

Week 2: 50-50

Week 3: 50-50 (by this time Brown is coming back to form and is outperforming Ricky on the same amount of carries)

Week 4: 55 RB

Week 5: 60 RB

Week 6: 65 RB and stays about there for the rest of the season

 

[RamMan]

R. Brown's demise has been greatly exaggerated.

My thoughts exactly. When Williams was tabbed starter, the thread was about 5 pages long. Now, when reality comes crashing in, crickets. I hope owners cashed in on the Ricky hysteria.

Maybe no one's commenting because nothing's happened yet?Frankly, it doesn't matter who "starts" - both of these guys will see time if they're healthy. It remains to be seen if Brown is healthy enough to play week 1. Getting heavily invested in either one is a bad idea - I'd latch on only if the price was right.That said, you can pry $8 Ricky Williams on my subscriber contest team from my cold dead hands!

You can try the same with my $6 Ronnie...and it's also a keeper league. We drafted when Ronnie was still in a cast last week and Ricky was the toast of the town. I'm not predicting top 10 or even top 15 for either one of them at this point, but where Ronnie is being drafted he's an absolute steal in my opinion.

 

[3nOut]

Here is how I see it working (just a guess)Week 1: 60% RW, 40% RBWeek 2: 50-50Week 3: 50-50 (by this time Brown is coming back to form and is outperforming Ricky on the same amount of carries)Week 4: 55 RBWeek 5: 60 RBWeek 6: 65 RB and stays about there for the rest of the season

Is this carries or TDs? What about GL carries?

 

[RamMan]

R. Brown's demise has been greatly exaggerated.

My thoughts exactly. When Williams was tabbed starter, the thread was about 5 pages long. Now, when reality comes crashing in, crickets. I hope owners cashed in on the Ricky hysteria.

Maybe no one's commenting because nothing's happened yet?Frankly, it doesn't matter who "starts" - both of these guys will see time if they're healthy. It remains to be seen if Brown is healthy enough to play week 1. Getting heavily invested in either one is a bad idea - I'd latch on only if the price was right.

That said, you can pry $8 Ricky Williams on my subscriber contest team from my cold dead hands!

Weird, for some reason, I've been thinking about this all day. I was actully going to start a thread on the value of the Miami Dolphins RB duo. In leagues where you can carry a limited amount of players at each position (we can only carry 4) how valuable is handcuffing both Ricky and Ronnie. To get both, you would either have to draft both of them high as a combo RB2, or trade for one. Is the Miami running game strong enough to merit RB2 consideration? The problem I have with this is that they will either be an RBBC splitting carries (which reduces the value of each), or you will be guessing one week to another which to start. The positive is that if one goes down, you are assured a good RB2. But together, are they worth it? So basically, would you prefer to invest in Ricky and Ronnie as your RB2 and RB3 or would you go for someone not in a RBBC (or in least of one) like Bush or Grant as your RB2 and still have one roster spot open for a young flier prospect like Torrain, Hightower, or J. Hester?

Also, if both Miami RBs are healthy, which will have the better stats, and which will get the GL carries?

You're either the boss of your own company or the current president of the US. Either way, I envy you.

 

[Gr00vus]

So basically, would you prefer to invest in Ricky and Ronnie as your RB2 and RB3 or would you go for someone not in a RBBC (or in least of one) like Bush or Grant as your RB2 and still have one roster spot open for a young flier prospect like Torrain, Hightower, or J. Hester?

As always it depends on price - how much would the package cost? Looks like ADP of Ronnie is 4th round with Ricky up to 7th round. Sounds too pricey to me. Depending on how the rest of my roster is looking I might gamble on Ricky in the 7th. I wouldn't touch Ronnie in the 4th.

 

[stbugs]

So basically, would you prefer to invest in Ricky and Ronnie as your RB2 and RB3 or would you go for someone not in a RBBC (or in least of one) like Bush or Grant as your RB2 and still have one roster spot open for a young flier prospect like Torrain, Hightower, or J. Hester?

As always it depends on price - how much would the package cost? Looks like ADP of Ronnie is 4th round with Ricky up to 7th round. Sounds too pricey to me. Depending on how the rest of my roster is looking I might gamble on Ricky in the 7th. I wouldn't touch Ronnie in the 4th.

Funny, cause in a heavy FBG (including a staff member), Ricky went 4th and I took Ronnie in the 7th. In the 7th, I was more than willing to take a risk, especially since he could be kept next year if he fully recovers.

 

[OU#1]

Funny how many people forget that Ronnie Brown was the #1 RB in most leagues before he went down last year. That was on a pathetic Miami team.

Funny how many people seem to forget that Ricky Williams went down on the opening drive in his first start of his NFL Re-Debut.

Ricky just went @ 8.1 and Ronnie just went @ 8.10 in my league. Rightfully so I'd say avoid them both because this looks like a mess right now.

 

[Gr00vus]

So basically, would you prefer to invest in Ricky and Ronnie as your RB2 and RB3 or would you go for someone not in a RBBC (or in least of one) like Bush or Grant as your RB2 and still have one roster spot open for a young flier prospect like Torrain, Hightower, or J. Hester?

As always it depends on price - how much would the package cost? Looks like ADP of Ronnie is 4th round with Ricky up to 7th round. Sounds too pricey to me. Depending on how the rest of my roster is looking I might gamble on Ricky in the 7th. I wouldn't touch Ronnie in the 4th.

Funny, cause in a heavy FBG (including a staff member), Ricky went 4th and I took Ronnie in the 7th. In the 7th, I was more than willing to take a risk, especially since he could be kept next year if he fully recovers.

That's definitely the right play in my book - if you're going to take one make it whoever is cheaper. I don't have religion about either one of these guys. In truth I find myself steering clear so far, I'm not comfortable with either one in the 7th and in the drafts I've been in so far they haven't lasted to the 7th anyway.

 

[big0mar]

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL/A.../wwhi082108.htm

The coaches have been so thoroughly impressed with Williams — one team source called him “clearly the best player on the team” — that only slippage on his part will revert the RB hierarchy to Brown being on top.

Just echos what has been coming out of the media here in South Florida ever since camp started.

 

[TwinTurbo]

So basically, would you prefer to invest in Ricky and Ronnie as your RB2 and RB3 or would you go for someone not in a RBBC (or in least of one) like Bush or Grant as your RB2 and still have one roster spot open for a young flier prospect like Torrain, Hightower, or J. Hester?

As always it depends on price - how much would the package cost? Looks like ADP of Ronnie is 4th round with Ricky up to 7th round. Sounds too pricey to me. Depending on how the rest of my roster is looking I might gamble on Ricky in the 7th. I wouldn't touch Ronnie in the 4th.

Ronnie Brown has been slipping in most recent drafts way past the 4th round. His ADP is Round 5-6 now. I've been getting him in Round 7 in FFOC (10 teams). In some cases Ricky is going before RB. I'm not sure how it will pan out but getting RB in Round 6 or later seems like good risk/reward to me.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

So basically, would you prefer to invest in Ricky and Ronnie as your RB2 and RB3 or would you go for someone not in a RBBC (or in least of one) like Bush or Grant as your RB2 and still have one roster spot open for a young flier prospect like Torrain, Hightower, or J. Hester?

As always it depends on price - how much would the package cost? Looks like ADP of Ronnie is 4th round with Ricky up to 7th round. Sounds too pricey to me. Depending on how the rest of my roster is looking I might gamble on Ricky in the 7th. I wouldn't touch Ronnie in the 4th.

Ronnie Brown has been slipping in most recent drafts way past the 4th round. His ADP is Round 5-6 now. I've been getting him in Round 7 in FFOC (10 teams). In some cases Ricky is going before RB. I'm not sure how it will pan out but getting RB in Round 6 or later seems like good risk/reward to me.

I got Ricky in the 10th and that was clearly after Brown.Good to read in here that Ricky is the starter. Run, Ricky, Run.

 

[Gr00vus]

Ronnie Brown has been slipping in most recent drafts way past the 4th round. His ADP is Round 5-6 now. I've been getting him in Round 7 in FFOC (10 teams). In some cases Ricky is going before RB. I'm not sure how it will pan out but getting RB in Round 6 or later seems like good risk/reward to me.

I checked out where he was going in antsports mocks of last weekend (ie 3 days ago) - they had him tail end of the 4th with Ricky in the mid 7th in all formats. :XI haven't seen Ronnie go after Ricky in any of the 3 drafts I was in this weekend. Seems like there's a "he was the #1 FF running back before he got hurt" guy in every league that jumps on him early keeping his ADP up.Round 6 is pricey, the guy's barely practiced. I get the shivers when I think about where some people drafted Jamal Anderson and Terrell Davis after they came back from injury - not even considering Ronnie's got Ricky looking over his shoulder.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

I nabbed Ronnie at 9.04 in a ten teamer after someone else took Ricky at 8.05. I felt Brown was worth a shot there. I don't expect much from him early on at all. I think the ACL time line is true, and don't think Brown will start to hit his stride till mid-season.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Williams has outplayed Brown so far, I don't see that changing

R Brown owners will believe anything.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I nabbed Ronnie at 9.04 in a ten teamer after someone else took Ricky at 8.05. I felt Brown was worth a shot there. I don't expect much from him early on at all. I think the ACL time line is true, and don't think Brown will start to hit his stride till mid-season.

I'd draft him there too, I just think RW looks better, and fresher (very important here). Talking redraft not dynasty.

 

[Desert_Power]

R. Brown's demise has been greatly exaggerated.

My thoughts exactly. When Williams was tabbed starter, the thread was about 5 pages long. Now, when reality comes crashing in, crickets. I hope owners cashed in on the Ricky hysteria.

Maybe no one's commenting because nothing's happened yet?Frankly, it doesn't matter who "starts" - both of these guys will see time if they're healthy. It remains to be seen if Brown is healthy enough to play week 1. Getting heavily invested in either one is a bad idea - I'd latch on only if the price was right.

That said, you can pry $8 Ricky Williams on my subscriber contest team from my cold dead hands!

Weird, for some reason, I've been thinking about this all day. I was actully going to start a thread on the value of the Miami Dolphins RB duo. In leagues where you can carry a limited amount of players at each position (we can only carry 4) how valuable is handcuffing both Ricky and Ronnie. To get both, you would either have to draft both of them high as a combo RB2, or trade for one. Is the Miami running game strong enough to merit RB2 consideration? The problem I have with this is that they will either be an RBBC splitting carries (which reduces the value of each), or you will be guessing one week to another which to start. The positive is that if one goes down, you are assured a good RB2. But together, are they worth it? So basically, would you prefer to invest in Ricky and Ronnie as your RB2 and RB3 or would you go for someone not in a RBBC (or in least of one) like Bush or Grant as your RB2 and still have one roster spot open for a young flier prospect like Torrain, Hightower, or J. Hester?

Also, if both Miami RBs are healthy, which will have the better stats, and which will get the GL carries?

Ronnie Brown gets them. Ricky Williams has been ineffective at the goal line this preseason and is benefiting from having huge running lanes.

 

[Todem]

R. Brown's demise has been greatly exaggerated.

My thoughts exactly. When Williams was tabbed starter, the thread was about 5 pages long. Now, when reality comes crashing in, crickets. I hope owners cashed in on the Ricky hysteria.

Reality will be R.W starting week one and outplaying a much less than 100% Ronnie Brown. That is the reality.Ricky has looked fantastic. That has been the reality.You seem like a Ronnie Brown owner in denial.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

R. Brown's demise has been greatly exaggerated.

My thoughts exactly. When Williams was tabbed starter, the thread was about 5 pages long. Now, when reality comes crashing in, crickets. I hope owners cashed in on the Ricky hysteria.

Reality will be R.W starting week one and outplaying a much less than 100% Ronnie Brown. That is the reality.Ricky has looked fantastic. That has been the reality.You seem like a Ronnie Brown owner in denial.

I own them both. I agree with the above. I believe in the short term - at least weeks 1-3 Ricky is the play (bye week 4). What happens after that will largely be determined by what happens in weeks 1-3. Ricky cracks my starting lineup in week 1 though. God help me. I have a feeling I may need some Ricky-style medication before the Fins reach that bye week.

 

[jurb26]

R. Brown's demise has been greatly exaggerated.

My thoughts exactly. When Williams was tabbed starter, the thread was about 5 pages long. Now, when reality comes crashing in, crickets. I hope owners cashed in on the Ricky hysteria.

Reality will be R.W starting week one and outplaying a much less than 100% Ronnie Brown. That is the reality.Ricky has looked fantastic. That has been the reality.You seem like a Ronnie Brown owner in denial.

Reality is I own both and don't care who starts. I do however get a strong feeling that I will be cutting Williams by mid-season. You see some of use were smart enough to sure up the whole backfield. Not just pin all our hopes on Williams....

 

[Todem]

R. Brown's demise has been greatly exaggerated.

My thoughts exactly. When Williams was tabbed starter, the thread was about 5 pages long. Now, when reality comes crashing in, crickets. I hope owners cashed in on the Ricky hysteria.

Reality will be R.W starting week one and outplaying a much less than 100% Ronnie Brown. That is the reality.Ricky has looked fantastic. That has been the reality.You seem like a Ronnie Brown owner in denial.

Reality is I own both and don't care who starts. I do however get a strong feeling that I will be cutting Williams by mid-season. You see some of use were smart enough to sure up the whole backfield. Not just pin all our hopes on Williams....

I don't play redrafts.I locked up Williams in some dynasty squads as a flex player and got him dirt cheap. I think a ton of people are going to be shocked how good he is going to be this season.Yes it is a long shot...but long shots do win sometimes.To be continued.....

 

[j3r3m3y]

Reality is I own both and don't care who starts. I do however get a strong feeling that I will be cutting Williams by mid-season. You see some of use were smart enough to sure up the whole backfield. Not just pin all our hopes on Williams....

Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back just yet. That may have been a good move but only time will tell. Given the cost associated with doing so there are several scenarios that are very possible that could make this look much less "smart" in a few months.

 

[fatness]

I remember when Chatman "looked better than Brown".

 

[j3r3m3y]

I remember when Chatman "looked better than Brown".

Ricky and Chatman isn't even apples and oranges. Apples and motorcycles.

 

[gregjcross]

R. Brown's demise has been greatly exaggerated.

My thoughts exactly. When Williams was tabbed starter, the thread was about 5 pages long. Now, when reality comes crashing in, crickets. I hope owners cashed in on the Ricky hysteria.

Reality will be R.W starting week one and outplaying a much less than 100% Ronnie Brown. That is the reality.Ricky has looked fantastic. That has been the reality.You seem like a Ronnie Brown owner in denial.

Reality is I own both and don't care who starts. I do however get a strong feeling that I will be cutting Williams by mid-season. You see some of use were smart enough to sure up the whole backfield. Not just pin all our hopes on Williams....

I don't play redrafts.I locked up Williams in some dynasty squads as a flex player and got him dirt cheap. I think a ton of people are going to be shocked how good he is going to be this season.Yes it is a long shot...but long shots do win sometimes.To be continued.....

what if neither are succesful and Jalen Parmalee works into the mix

 

[Ozymandias]

The main thing his, who is better at catching a 5 yard pass? That is Pennington's specialty.

 

[gethugefast1]

Just came back from "Live" draft...I'll take RB here.

ROUND PICK PLAYER POS TEAM

1.10 Adrian Peterson RB (KEEPER)

2.1 Jamal Lewis RB

3.10 Ryan Grant RB

4.1 T.J. Houshmandzadeh WR

5.10 Plaxico Burress WR

6.1 Chad Johnson WR

7.10 Fred Taylor RB

8.1 Ronnie Brown RB

9.10 Chester Taylor RB

10.1 Matt Hasselbeck QB

11.10 Brett Favre QB

12.1 Kellen Winslow TE

13.10 New England DST DST

14.1 Josh Scobee K

 

[Manster]

how old is Ricky? remember, he's got the skills to be a legit #1 RB. if he's got his #### straight he could be the man in MIA this yr.

 

[BigJim®]

R. Brown's demise has been greatly exaggerated.

 

[sholditch]

Here is how I see it working (just a guess)

Week 1: 60% RW, 40% RB

Week 2: 50-50

Week 3: 50-50 (by this time Brown is coming back to form and is outperforming Ricky on the same amount of carries)

Week 4: 55 RB

Week 5: 60 RB

Week 6: 65 RB and stays about there for the rest of the season

Is this carries or TDs? What about GL carries?

Carries

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL/A.../wwhi082108.htm

The coaches have been so thoroughly impressed with Williams — one team source called him “clearly the best player on the team” — that only slippage on his part will revert the RB hierarchy to Brown being on top.

Just echos what has been coming out of the media here in South Florida ever since camp started.

Ah, nothing like old news. Ricky owners, congrats, you got yourself, if you are lucky, a 3-week option at RB. RB owners, with patience, you have the SOD.

 

[Portis 26]

Brown is coming off an ACL suffered in the middle of last season, and every RB coming off an ACL seems to be pretty mediocre the next year.

The next year after that they're fine.

I am sure the Fins know that and will run Ricky into the ground early then get Brown back into the swing of things later in the season.

The broader picture is that Ricky is 31 and has very little left in the tank.

The smart dynasty play is to sell Ricky (selling high, so to speak) and buy Brown (buying low).

 

[Bl Deep]

For all the 'RB was the #1 RB in FF...etc"

Ricky has proven he can be a top RB as well, he's done it... Its like the LJ factor.

You are banking on an ACL tear to come back 100%, i think history has proven that is folly... In redrafts, RB is maybe going to give you 50% production for 50% of the year. RW is the upside play IMO... time will tell... I'll take the heathly guy.

 

[Barooo]

"IF".....we assume the starting job for week 1 to still be undecided...then can I infer that the coaches are viewing a healthy RW roughly equal to a RB that has not played recently

Can I infer that even after last year's injury and a less than 100% RB coming into camp - why was he still atop the depth chart....

Can I infer that RB will improve as the year progresses....doesn't that equal upside

Can I infer that Williams' recent career is non-existent....here is a hint; 1 game played since '05

Can I infer that if it wasn't for RB hurting his "pinkie" that we would not even be having this discussion....

 

[3nOut]

Brown is coming off an ACL suffered in the middle of last season, and every RB coming off an ACL seems to be pretty mediocre the next year.

The next year after that they're fine.

I am sure the Fins know that and will run Ricky into the ground early then get Brown back into the swing of things later in the season.

The broader picture is that Ricky is 31 and has very little left in the tank.

The smart dynasty play is to sell Ricky (selling high, so to speak) and buy Brown (buying low).

I guess this was one of my questions, but I am not sure I understand your answer. Are you saying to sell Ricky to the Brown owner high OR buy Brown low from them OR either OR both (basically swapping them)? If buying Brown, you'd be OK with taking two spots for basiclly one RB?