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Rookie IDP prospects, how they are doing now, PFF grades (1 Viewer)

Bracie Smathers

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In the rookie thread on Baltimore LB Aurthur Brown I posted some grades for all rookie inside LBers from PFF but it could easily get lost in the shuffle and I didn't post the other IDP grades for all of the other rookies, so here is the complete list of IDP rookies by draft order.

Next post breaks out workable list of the rookies who stood out both positively and negatively and have the highest grades over-and-above the rest of the group and the rookies who have the lowest grades lower-and-below the rest of the group.

I think this is a good place to post updates on each rookie during the X-Games so we can keep tabs. For instance, St. Louis rookie LB Alex Ogletree had a low grade compared to the rest of the rookies taken in the first and second rounds but he is getting work at both inside and outside linebacker and the recent four game suspension of WSLB Von Dunbar could mean the Rams have put him on the fast-track to start much sooner than he'd normally warrant and sooner than the Rams would want so that added information should be attached to his low-grade.

Add any other tidbits on the top IDP rookies, and since the PFF grades only encompass the 1st and 2nd rounds they do not list all of the top performing IDP rookies.

Here's the list of IDP rookies by draft order, only the first and second rounds.

FIRST ROUND

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/08/12/rookie-review-first-round-rookies-preseason-week-1/

3. Dion Jordan, DE, Miami Dolphins
Grade:
+1.0
Snaps: 21 as a situational third-down rusher over two games
Analysis: In limited early-game work as the team goes easy with his injured shoulder, the presumed pass-rush specialist faced run plays on five of his seven snaps against the Jaguars and got in on one tackle for a loss. Had some joy in the Hall of Fame game and now has a hit and a hurry on 12 pass rushes.

5. Ezekial Ansah, DE, Detroit Lions
Grade: +0.9
Snaps: 22 as the Detroit starters got a big work out
Analysis: It will be alarming that on 12 pass rushes he didn’t generate a single bit of pressure, but there aren’t too many tougher tasks than D’Brickashaw Ferguson. We wouldn’t count on him making too many interceptions like the one he returned for six, but showed good awareness (and hands) to make it.

6. Barkevious Mingo, OLB, Cleveland Browns
Grade: +2.8
Snaps: 32 in starting sub package and with backups
Analysis: A fine debut from Mingo who wasn’t against the starters but still delivered three quarterback hits and one hurry on just 16 pass rushes. Now let’s see how he does against the starters, because that was extremely encouraging.

9. Dee Milliner, CB, New York Jets
Grade: +0.3
Snaps:
39 snaps
Analysis: A lengthy debut at the Jets got their top pick plenty of action. He was targeted four times and gave up three of those for 39 yards. He did break up the other ball to show his top-end talent, but they won’t want to see him missing tackles or giving up first downs to the likes of Matt Willis going forward.

12. D.J. Hayden, CB, Oakland Raiders
Grade: n/a
Snaps: 0
Analysis: The Raiders’ cornerback is closing in on being ready after his health woes, but Week 1 of preseason came too soon.

13. Sheldon Richardson, DE, New York Jets
Grade: -0.9

Snaps: 33 with the starters and backups.
Analysis: A quiet day for Richardson who wasn’t able to pick up any pressure, though impressed against the run with two defensive stops. Granted they didn’t come against first-teamers but it represents something to build on.

14. Star Lotulelei, DT, Carolina Panthers
Grade: -0.9
Snaps: 13 snaps with starting defense
Analysis: Lotulelei only played 13 snaps, 11 of which came against the pass. He did not record a pressure while his -0.5 run grade was the result of getting sealed inside by left tackle on an early second-quarter run.

15. Kenny Vaccaro, S, New Orleans Saints
Grade: -0.6
Snaps: 31 snaps as part of second string defense.
Analysis: Quiet debut. Didn’t do an awful lot wrong, but didn’t stand out despite extra playing time. That can be the way of things as a safety sometimes, though he did get beat for a first down by Travis Kelce.

[SIZE=small]17. Jarvis Jones, OLB, Pittsburgh Steelers[/SIZE]
Grade: -1.9
Snaps: 41
Analysis: Though he played a healthy dose of snaps, Jones failed to stand out for the Steelers. His 16 snaps rushing the passer translated to just a single hit, and he lost contain against the run more than the Steelers will have been happy with seeing.

18. Eric Reid, S, San Francisco 49ers
Grade: +0.2
Snaps: 45 snaps with second string defense
Analysis: Reid threw his body around and made some big hits, but he was a little out of control on his missed tackle in the middle of the third quarter. He did a really nice job of filling his gap and finishing the play on his one run stop.

[SIZE=small]22. Desmond Trufant, CB, Atlanta Falcons[/SIZE]
Grade: -2.7
Snaps: 24 with the starters and second string.
Analysis: Tough debut for Trufant who got run over on the Falcons’ opening defensive play and would give up a first down on their second drive. Looked a little lost at times in what can at best be described a tentative debut.

[SIZE=small]23. Shariff Floyd, DT, Minnesota Vikings[/SIZE]
Grade: +3.6
Snaps: 15
Analysis: Floyd looked dominant for the Vikings before a knock to the knee sent him to the sidelines for the rest of the game. In the 15 snaps he was on the field for, he looked quick, powerful and destructive against both the run and the pass.

[SIZE=small]24. Bjoern Werner, OLB, Indianapolis Colts[/SIZE]
Grade: n/a
Snaps: 0
Analysis: The Colts kept him on the sidelines as a precaution after he went through pregame warm-ups.

[SIZE=small]25. Xavier Rhodes, CB, Minnesota Vikings[/SIZE]
Grade: n/a
Snaps: 0
Analysis: The Vikings opted against further damaging his hamstring and had him sit out the preseason opener.

[SIZE=small]26. Datone Jones, DE, Green Bay Packers[/SIZE]
Grade: -0.1
Snaps: 1
Analysis: Came off after one pass rushing snap where he didn’t register any pressure. It can only get better from here.

[SIZE=small]28. Sylvester Williams, DT, Denver Broncos[/SIZE]
Grade: -0.7
Snaps:
22 snaps with first and second string
Analysis: Williams did little of note in his first action. He was quiet on his seven snaps against the run and got shut out as pass rusher on his 15 attempts.

[SIZE=small]30. Alec Ogletree, LB, St Louis Rams[/SIZE]
Grade:
-1.7
Snaps:
23 with the starters
Analysis: While a nice tackle for a loss is what Rams will want to see more of, they’ll be less inclined to see him give up a touchdown and first down as he did in game one. The NFL can be a steep learning curve, especially if you’re to be an every-down player from Day 1.

[SIZE=small]32. Matt Elam, S, Baltimore Ravens[/SIZE]
Grade:
+1.4
Snaps:
40
Analysis: Elam spent the majority of his time backed away from the line of scrimmage as a deep safety (24-of-40 snaps). He logged a pair of run stops on three tackles when coming forward and wasn’t challenged through the air.

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SECOND ROUND

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/08/13/rookie-review-second-round-rookies-preseason-week-1/

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33. Jonathan Cyprien, FS, Jacksonville Jaguars

Grade: n/a

Snaps: 0

Analysis: Cyprien was on the PUP list and unavailable for Week 1.

36. Darius Slay, CB, Detroit Lions

Grade: +0.4

Snaps: 29 snaps, started at RCB

Analysis: Despite seeing a fair amount of time, Slay was untested in coverage. He did notch a hurry on his only blitz and also picked up an illegal block penalty on a punt return.

38. Manti Te’o, ILB, San Diego Chargers

Grade: -0.4

Snaps: 9 snaps with starting base defense; came off the field on passing downs

Analysis: Not an action-packed game for Te’o, whose grade stems largely from running into a block on one of his four snaps against the run.

40. Tank Carradine, DE, San Francisco 49ers

Grade: n/a

Snaps: 0

Analysis: Still recovering from a knee injury suffered at the end of last season.

43. Johnthan Banks, CB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Grade: +1.4

Snaps: 25 snaps with the starters, 17 at RCB and 8 at LCB

Analysis: Only targeted twice, allowing one completion for five yards. Banks was a sure tackler as he came up and made four total stops, evenly split between coverage and the running game.

44. Kawann Short, DT, Carolina Panthers

Grade: +2.6

Snaps: 22 snaps, mostly with second string

Analysis: Good start for Short who picked up a hit and two hurries on his 18 pass rushes while also forcing a holding call. Only four of his 22 snaps came against the run.

45. Kevin Minter, ILB, Arizona Cardinals

Grade: -0.5

Snaps: 31 snaps with the second string defense

Analysis: Not a bad start for Minter who recorded five tackles, including three stops, but his third-quarter whiff on fellow rookie Johnathan Franklin is one he’ll want back.

46. Kiko Alonso, ILB, Buffalo Bills

Grade: -0.5

Snaps: 22 snaps with starting defense

Analysis: Alonso was all over the field in the first quarter, though not always in a good way. He looked a little tentative against the run at times, but he made a nice play covering TE Coby Fleener down the seam, knocking away a potential touchdown.

49. Johnathan Hankins, DT, New York Giants

Grade: 0.0

Snaps: 27

Analysis: Used largely as a rusher, Hankins notched a pair of pressures on his snaps but was otherwise relatively anonymous. He did show a nice bullrush taking Maurkice Pouncey back to the quarterback for one of his pressures.

50. Jon Bostic, MLB, Chicago Bears

Grade: +1.4

Snaps: 27 snaps with the starters

Analysis: Bostic had one of the plays of the game as he read quarterback Cam Newton’s eyes, jumped his pass, and took it back for a touchdown. He has some work to do in the running game as he overshot a gap and got handled at the second level a couple times, but overall, a nice first week for Bostic.

51. David Amerson, CB Washington Redskins

Grade: +3.0

Snaps: 28 snaps with the starters, 26 at RCB

Analysis: Amerson did a nice job of keeping the ball in front of him. He broke up a pass on a hitch route and made another fine stop for a 3-yard gain on 3rd-and-4. Throw in a willingness to take on blocks in the running game and it was a great start for Amerson.

52. Jamie Collins, LB, New England Patriots

Grade: -0.3

Snaps: 37 with the second string

Analysis: Still adjusting to life as a linebacker at the NFL level. Picked up a tackle for a short gain against the run but will be disappointed with his pass rushing performance. Two pressures from 10 pass rushes might seem like a good return, but both of those came unblocked and he missed a tackle on the quarterback on one of them.

53. Margus Hunt, DE, Cincinnati Bengals

Grade: -0.5

Snaps: 41 with the second stringers

Analysis: A quiet debut. Notched two pressures but one of those was unblocked. The other, a real display of his power with a big bullrush. Looked strong again at the point of attack, with Atlanta unable to get much movement on him in the run game.

54. Jamar Taylor, CB, Miami Dolphins

Grade: n/a

Snaps: 0

Analysis: Still missing time recovering from a hernia.

56. Arthur Brown, ILB, Baltimore Ravens

Grade: -0.1

Snaps: 21 snaps with first-team nickel defense

Analysis: Spent most of his time on the field in coverage (12 of his 21 snaps), but did manage to record an unblocked pressure on a rare chance to go after the QB.

57. D.J. Swearinger, FS, Houston Texans

Grade: -0.3

Snaps: 42

Analysis: Swearinger saw a lot of time against the Vikings, coming in with the second team and staying for the remainder of the game. He made a nice hit early for a stop but his day may be remembered for missing a tackle and allowing FB Zach Line to get loose and rattle off 61 yards up the sideline for a score.

60. Robert Alford, CB, Atlanta Falcons

Grade: +2.8

Snaps: 51 as part of the second string defense

Analysis: Put forward a case for being tested by some starters. Very eager to get involved and not shy about going after ball carriers in the run game. Lost himself once in coverage but didn’t allow a reception on three targets while finishing with two pass break ups. Impressive.

 
Top IDP rookie grades per PFF

 

23. Shariff Floyd, DT, Minnesota Vikings
Grade: +3.6
Snaps:

15
Analysis: Floyd looked dominant for the Vikings before a knock to the knee sent him to the sidelines for the rest of the game. In the 15 snaps he was on the field for, he looked quick, powerful and destructive against both the run and the pass.

51. David Amerson, CB Washington Redskins

Grade: +3.0

Snaps:

28 snaps with the starters, 26 at RCB

Analysis:

Amerson did a nice job of keeping the ball in front of him. He broke up a pass on a hitch route and made another fine stop for a 3-yard gain on 3rd-and-4. Throw in a willingness to take on blocks in the running game and it was a great start for Amerson.

6. Barkevious Mingo, OLB, Cleveland Browns
Grade: +2.8
Snaps: 32 in starting sub package and with backups
Analysis: A fine debut from Mingo who wasn’t against the starters but still delivered three quarterback hits and one hurry on just 16 pass rushes. Now let’s see how he does against the starters, because that was extremely encouraging.

EDIT: MISSED ALFORD TOO!

60. Robert Alford, CB, Atlanta Falcons

Grade: +2.8

Snaps: 51 as part of the second string defense

Analysis: Put forward a case for being tested by some starters. Very eager to get involved and not shy about going after ball carriers in the run game. Lost himself once in coverage but didn’t allow a reception on three targets while finishing with two pass break ups. Impressive.

44. Kawann Short, DT, Carolina Panthers

Grade: +2.6

Snaps:

22 snaps, mostly with second string

Analysis:

Good start for Short who picked up a hit and two hurries on his 18 pass rushes while also forcing a holding call. Only four of his 22 snaps came against the run.

EDIT Missed Elam:

[SIZE=small]32. Matt Elam, S,[/SIZE] Baltimore Ravens
Grade: +1.4
Snaps:
40
Analysis: Elam spent the majority of his time backed away from the line of scrimmage as a deep safety (24-of-40 snaps). He logged a pair of run stops on three tackles when coming forward and wasn’t challenged through the air.

43. Johnthan Banks, CB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Grade: +1.4

Snaps:

25 snaps with the starters, 17 at RCB and 8 at LCB

Analysis:

Only targeted twice, allowing one completion for five yards. Banks was a sure tackler as he came up and made four total stops, evenly split between coverage and the running game.

50. Jon Bostic, MLB, Chicago Bears

Grade: +1.4

Snaps:

27 snaps with the starters

Analysis:

Bostic had one of the plays of the game as he read quarterback Cam Newton’s eyes, jumped his pass, and took it back for a touchdown. He has some work to do in the running game as he overshot a gap and got handled at the second level a couple times, but overall, a nice first week for Bostic.

3. Dion Jordan, DE, Miami Dolphins
Grade: +1.0
Snaps: 21 as a situational third-down rusher over two games
Analysis: In limited early-game work as the team goes easy with his injured shoulder, the presumed pass-rush specialist faced run plays on five of his seven snaps against the Jaguars and got in on one tackle for a loss. Had some joy in the Hall of Fame game and now has a hit and a hurry on 12 pass rushes.

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LOWEST GRADES OF THE TOP IDP ROOKIES

22. Desmond Trufant, CB, Atlanta Falcons
Grade: -2.7
Snaps:

24 with the starters and second string.
Analysis: Tough debut for Trufant who got run over on the Falcons’ opening defensive play and would give up a first down on their second drive. Looked a little lost at times in what can at best be described a tentative debut.

 

17. Jarvis Jones, OLB, Pittsburgh Steelers
Grade: -1.9
Snaps:


41
Analysis: Though he played a healthy dose of snaps, Jones failed to stand out for the Steelers. His 16 snaps rushing the passer translated to just a single hit, and he lost contain against the run more than the Steelers will have been happy with seeing.

30. Alec Ogletree, LB, St Louis Rams
Grade: -1.7
Snaps:


23 with the starters
Analysis: While a nice tackle for a loss is what Rams will want to see more of, they’ll be less inclined to see him give up a touchdown and first down as he did in game one. The NFL can be a steep learning curve, especially if you’re to be an every-down player from Day 1.

 
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What do people think of the grades?

Also feel free to add any tidbits on the rookies, for example here's a story on Arizona Cardinal rookie MLB Kevin Minter getting a rep for making big hits.

Go to the link for the full-read.

Could be considered a fluff-piece if you shrug this off but it could also provide some insight into this partiular IDP rookie MLB. This fits into this thread about the top IDP rookies and Minter is listed above, so I'm passing it along.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/20130814arizona-cardinals-linebacker-kevin-minter-is-building-on-reputation-for-monster-hits.html?nclick_check=1

Arizona Cardinals' Kevin Minter building on reputation for monster hits

By Bob McManaman azcentral sportsWed Aug 14, 2013 9:56 PM

When Kevin Minter hits you, it can feel like a near-death experience. It’s not something you’d wish to relive again.

Ask Cardinals running back Alfonso Smith, who was the first teammate to endure a monstrous collision with Minter when training camp began.

“Yeah, when we first put on the pads I had to go up against him in the one-on-one drills in pass blocking and it was brutal, man,” Smith said of the rookie middle linebacker. “I mean, he brings it. He was pushing my neck back and coming at me and doing all kinds of things to me.

I had him, but he was doing everything he could to win. That’s the type of guy he is. I tell ya, he plays with some type of aggression.”

Minter’s explosive tackles earned him a reputation at an early age. In Pop Warner, he would deliver such crushing hits that other kids made sure they got out of the way.

He can’t recall any one particular big hit that stands out above any other, but there’s a reason for that.

“Not to be cocky, but it happened pretty often,” Minter said. “After a while, I was like, ‘This could be something that I could really do in the future.’ ”...........
 
Nice thread. I'll drop any news I find in here, as well.

As for the grades, I take the first week's with a grain of salt. Rook's first games are often overwhelming. Interesting to see what the second week brings and the rise/fall of each grade.

 
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Some grades of other rookies draftees and free agents who stood out:

Damontre Moore apparently had a really nice game. That grade is one of the highest that PFF handed out so far for IDP rookies but the Cleveland free agent LBer holds that honor but his work came against second-third stringers.

Here's hoping that PFF updates their grades throughout the preseason so we can keep on top of the rooks.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/08/15/who-to-watch-preseason-week-2/

Damontre Moore, DE, New York Giants (+5.0)

What went well: It’s tough to deny that Moore was the best player on the field in Pittsburgh Sunday night as he kicked things off with a blocked punt and never looked back. One of the impressive things about Moore when watching him at Texas A&M was his ability to stick his foot and the ground and take clean angles to the quarterback. He showed off this agility by getting inside opposing offensive tackles for three of his four pressures.

Even in the running game, he did his best (and worst) work trying to get inside blockers. He often made plays, but also got sealed out of a couple runs. Throw in a couple nice plays against the Steelers’ screen game, and it was an impressive all-around effort for Moore.

Needs to show: As Moore progresses, I want to see if he can threaten the edge on the offensive tackle and I’d like to see if teams challenge him by running Power to his side. With Moore’s ability to get inside blockers, he may be an easy target for teams to line up a TE outside and clear him out with the down block that can make Power so effective.

Duke Ihenacho, SS, Denver Broncos (+3.3)

What went well: Running with the first-team defense, Ihenacho did a nice job of attacking downhill in the running game to the tune of six tackles and three stops. Even when he wasn’t making tackles, he made an impact as evidenced by his taking out right tackle Anthony Davis’ pull block to string out a pitch early in the first quarter. When they ran away from him, he filled the cutback lane, when they ran his way, he’d knife into the backfield and make the play. In coverage, he did a nice job tracking a scrambling Colt McCoy and breaking up his pass attempt to Kassim Osgood early in the second and later forced a fumble on WR A.J. Jenkins.

Needs to show: Ihenacho needs to continue to impress in coverage. He did have one misstep against the 49ers when he tracked a corner route too far, allowing an easy first down on a curl route. He appeared to be fooled by WR Anquan Boldin’s crack motion and subsequent tight split in the formation. If he continues to be a force against the run while showing more discipline in the passing game, Ihenacho could thrust himself into the competition at strong safety in Denver.

Other players looking to build on strong first performances:

Justin Cole, 3-4 OLB, Cleveland Browns (+5.3)

The ex-St.Louis Rams player was one of the week’s best pass rushers with four hurries and a hit on just 19 rushes as he completely owned the last 36 seconds of the game. With the Rams on one last desperation drive, Cole was unblockable off the edge then dropped back on the last play of the game and made the clinching interception on a Hail Mary attempt. He did miss two tackles, both in the running game and on a potential sack, so it’s an area to clean up moving forward.

Paul Worrilow, ILB, Atlanta Falcons (+2.8)

Worrilow was all over the field in pass coverage as he made plays against elusive running back Giovani Bernard, broke on and deflected a deep in-route, and read a HB screen to make the tackle for loss. Against the run, he did a nice job of filling his gap and finishing the play, though he did get picked off at the second level on a few occasions.

Al Woods, 3-4 DE, Pittsburgh Steelers (+4.0)

Woods has played only 188 snaps since being drafted in the fourth round by the New Orleans Saints in 2010 and he’s seen snaps with the Buccaneers, Seahawks, and now the Steelers. He may have found his niche in Pittsburgh as he was dominant in the running game from his left end spot in their 3-4 defense. Woods picked up seven total stops on the day, including a sack.

 
Surprised no mention of Sio Moore. My guess is he'll be an every down LB for Oakland.
PFF did grades on all first and second rounders and then they had a seperate article on top unherlalded rookies so for any rookies taken 3rd round and later who didn't grade out really high, they didn't get mentioned even if they played solid.

Sio did get a mention on a list from NFL.com's Chris Wessling of ten rookies who he feels could surprise this year.

This is different from PFF's grades based on how rookies have performed so-far.

Here are the defenders who made his list, note Chicago Bears LB Jon Bostic and Carolina DT Kwann Short both graded out well by PFF and also got mentions on Wessling's list.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000229939/article/a-dozen-nfl-rookies-ready-to-surprise-in-2013?campaign=Twitter_atl

NFL rookies ready to surprise this season

By Chris Wesseling

  • Around the League Writer
  • Published: Aug. 14, 2013 at 05:11 p.m.
  • Updated: Aug. 15, 2013 at 01:17 p.m.
3. Robert Alford, Atlanta Falcons cornerbackIt's only one preseason game, but I noticed that ProFootballFocus.com assigned a lower grade to Desmond Trufant than any other first-round pick while Alford earned one of the highest grades for second-round picks. Although both rookies have impressed onlookers, Alford has generated more buzz for his aggressiveness and physicality.

Louis Riddick@LRiddickESPN

Robert Alford technically/fundamentally is better than Trufant, as well as being a better run support player/tougher. Clearly evident to me.

3:19 PM - 9 Aug 2013

4. Sio Moore, Oakland Raiders linebackerA Mayock favorite, Moore is a complete linebacker capable of stopping the run, hanging with tight ends in coverage and closing quickly on quarterbacks as a pass rusher. After handing Moore the starting strongside job, Raiders coach Dennis Allen said he envisions the third-rounder being used in a similar fashion as Von Miller with the Denver Broncos.

John Middlekauff@JohnMiddlekauff

Sio Moore just stands out, just a versatile player, can drop or rush the passer in nickel spots....Can really close

6:02 PM - 3 Aug 2013

6. Jon Bostic, Chicago Bears linebackerWith veteran D.J. Williams sidelined indefinitely by a calf strain, Bostic has a chance to nail down the starting middle linebacker job. The former Florida star took advantage of the opportunity in the preseason opener, turning in a nifty Brian Urlacher impression with a pick-six of Cam Newton.

Chicago Bears @ChicagoBears

LM: #Bears DC Mel Tucker on MLB Jon Bostic: “I like his progress. I think he’s gaining confidence in what he’s being asked to do."

7:30 PM - 12 Aug 2013

7. T.J. McDonald, St. Louis Rams safetyThe Rams have shown no interest in bringing back veteran Quintin Mikell primarily because McDonald has been such a quick study as the starting strong safety. Coach Jeff Fisher revealed Tuesday that McDonald's development has advanced to the point where the third-rounder already is making defensive calls. Fisher is plenty familiar with McDonald, having coached his father, Tim, with the San Francisco 49ers.

Bernie Miklasz@miklasz

T.J. McDonald: "I'm physical. I come with bad intentions."

7:22 PM - 26 Apr 2013


8. Kawann Short, Carolina Panthers defensive tackleThe Panthers internally view Short as a more explosive pass rusher than No. 14 overall pick Star Lotulelei. The early results have been encouraging for the second-rounder, who tallied two hurries and one quarterback hit on 18 rushes in the preseason opener. The Panthers' defensive front seven has the potential to be among the NFL's best this season.

Louis Riddick@LRiddickESPN

Need to c more of #Panthers 2nd rd pick Kawann Short against quality comp. He dominated #Bears OG James Brown, but K Long handled him easily

8:31 AM - 14 Aug 2013


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Wessling also mentioned others who missed his list, go to the link for the full read.


 
Updated grades for all of the first round selections.

How they grade after the first two preseason games are in the books.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/08/20/first-rounders-in-focus-preseason-wk-2/

3. Dion Jordan, DE, Miami Dolphins
Grade: +1.0

Snaps: 21
Analysis: Jordan sat out the Week 3 encounter with the Texans with his shoulder injury still proving troubling. In his first two games he was used exclusively as a pass-rushing specialist, picking up a hit and a hurry on 16 rushes.

5. Ezekial Ansah, DE, Detroit Lions
Grade: +1.2

Snaps: 45 snaps
Analysis: Starting both games for the Lions, Ansah hasn’t exactly delivered in the pass rushing stakes. On 26 pass rushes (exclusively from the right side) he has notched just the one pressure. His work in the run game has been more impressive, though, and that interception returned for a touchdown was a nice way to introduce himself.

6. Barkevious Mingo, OLB, Cleveland Browns
Grade: +2.3

Snaps: 32
Analysis: The outside linebacker sat out the Browns’ Week 2 encounter with the Lions with a bruised lung. That was a shame after his strong Week 1 performance where he would pick up three quarterback hits and one hurry on just 16 pass rushes.

9. Dee Milliner, CB, New York Jets
Grade: -3.0

Snaps: 85
Analysis: Two games, two starts and one rough showing. Things didn’t go to plan for Milliner against the Jaguars who went to work on him, completing 6-of-6 passes into his coverage for 94 yards and three first downs. He’ll need to step up if he’s to fill in ably for a certain former number 24.

12. D.J. Hayden, CB, Oakland Raiders
Grade: n/a

Snaps: 0
Analysis: Still no snaps but he is set to make his preseason debut against the Bears this week. Raiders fans will be hoping he hits the ground running.

13. Sheldon Richardson, DE, New York Jets
Grade: +5.2

Snaps: 73
Analysis: After a so-so start, Richardson exploded with one of the best performances of the week against the Jaguars. A force in the run game, he now leads all 3-4 defensive ends with eight tackles, with six of them being defensive stops. The downside is the lack of pressure he’s generating, but you can’t have everything.

14. Star Lotulelei, DT, Carolina Panthers
Grade: -1.5

Snaps: 45
Analysis: Outside of one quarterback hit, hasn’t done much to grab the attention. Did get the better of Evan Mathis on a couple of occasions to highlight what he can do, and the team will be looking for more of that going forward. Looks set for a big role on early downs.

15. Kenny Vaccaro, S, New Orleans Saints
Grade: -0.1

Snaps: 70
Analysis: Is getting a workout with the second string defense with the Saints likely to stick with Malcolm Jenkins and Roman Harper as their starters, with Vacarro coming in for their sub package defense. Did miss a tackle against the Raiders but redeemed himself with a couple of third-down stops.

17. Jarvis Jones, OLB, Pittsburgh Steelers
Grade: -1.2

Snaps: 74
Analysis: Looked better in Week 2 even if he was unable to deliver any pressure on the 10 occasions he rushed the passer. Interestingly spent more time in coverage (as can be the case for outside linebackers in the Steelers’ scheme) and did add two defensive stops for good measure.

18. Eric Reid, S, San Francisco 49ers
Grade: +1.2

Snaps: 85
Analysis: Hasn’t been able to unseat Craig Dahl, which is a worry, but he’s not let the team down during his high workload. Very quiet game against the Chiefs but when the team brought him close to the line he responded with a tackle for a short gain and a hit on the quarterback.

22. Desmond Trufant, CB, Atlanta Falcons
Grade: -2.8

Snaps: 45
Analysis: A quieter day for Trufant against the Ravens where he played 21 snaps and wasn’t targeted once by the Ravens. He won’t have many days like that during the regular season.

23. Shariff Floyd, DT, Minnesota Vikings
Grade: +4.9

Snaps: 53
Analysis: No injury scares this week, just more plays being made by Floyd who looks set to make mockery of his drop on draft day. Will have sterner tests than Antoine Caldwell, but you can only beat what is in front of you, which he is doing right now.

24. Bjorn Werner, OLB, Indianapolis Colts
Grade: -2.6

Snaps: 39
Analysis: Got his first run out in preseason against the Giants but didn’t impress. Picked up one nice pressure and another in pursuit, but was largely anonymous rushing the passer and struggled against the run.

25. Xavier Rhodes, CB, Minnesota Vikings
Grade: +0.6

Snaps: 29
Analysis: Got his first feel of live action in the NFL when he saw 29 snaps against the Bills. Three times he was thrown at, allowing two balls for just 10 yards with one pass defense. Solid start.

26. Datone Jones, DE, Green Bay Packers
Grade: -0.1

Snaps: 1
Analysis: Held out of action Week 2 but now back in practice. You’d hope for him to build on the one snap he’s managed so far, but it’s given the Packers a good chance to get some roster bubble guys some reps.

28. Sylvester Williams, DT, Denver Broncos
Grade: -0.7

Snaps: 41
Analysis: Not seen much action and not generated any pressure. That’s a worry for a team looking for some interior pass rush. More noticeable against the run, but spending a lot of time with two men on him.

30. Alec Ogletree, LB, St Louis Rams
Grade: -4.1

Snaps: 65
Analysis: Still has a way to go. Another negative grade against the Packers with two bad missed tackles being the lowlight of his display. Has struggled a little with linemen getting hands on him at the second level.

32. Matt Elam, S, Baltimore Ravens
Grade: +2.0

Snaps: 75
Analysis: Making a real case for playing time when the season rolls around. Veteran James Ihedigbo may be the starter now, but Elam (who has spent 23.3% of his run defense snaps in the box) has him in his sights. Didn’t put a foot wrong against the Falcons.

 
Highest and lowest grades so-far:

HIGHEST IDP FIRST ROUND GRADES:

13. Sheldon Richardson, DE, New York Jets
Grade: +5.2


23. Shariff Floyd, DT, Minnesota Vikings
Grade: +4.9


 

6. Barkevious Mingo, OLB, Cleveland Browns
Grade: +2.3


32. Matt Elam, S, Baltimore Ravens
Grade: +2.0


 

5. Ezekial Ansah, DE, Detroit Lions
Grade: +1.2


18. Eric Reid, S, San Francisco 49ers
Grade: +1.2


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LOWEST FIRST ROUND IDP GRADES SO-FAR

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30. Alec Ogletree, LB, St Louis Rams
Grade: -4.1


9. Dee Milliner, CB, New York Jets
Grade: -3.0


22. Desmond Trufant, CB, Atlanta Falcons
Grade: -2.8


24. Bjorn Werner, OLB, Indianapolis Colts
Grade: -2.6


14. Star Lotulelei, DT, Carolina Panthers
Grade: -1.5


17. Jarvis Jones, OLB, Pittsburgh Steelers
Grade: -1.2


 
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PFF preseason week 2, 2nd round draft picks grades updated:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/08/20/second-rounders-in-focus-preseason-wk-2/

33. John Cyprien, FS, Jacksonville Jaguars
Grade:


-3.5
Snaps:
28 snaps with first team
Analysis: Cypriens’ debut was not a good one as he graded at -3.3 in coverage, including two penalties and looking lost at times on the deep ball. Here’s Thomas Maney’s closer look at Cyprien’s day.

36. Darius Slay, CB, Detroit Lions
Grade: +0.5
Snaps:


29 snaps, 26 at RCB
Analysis: For the second week in a row, Slay saw little action in coverage as he was only targeted once for a 7-yard gain. He did pick up a stop in the passing game as he tackled RB Dion Lewis short of the sticks on 3rd-and-14.

38. Manti Te’o, ILB, San Diego Chargers
Grade:


n/a
Snaps: 0
Analysis: Did not play due to injury.

40. Tank Carradine, DE, San Francisco 49ers
Grade:


n/a
Snaps: 0
Analysis: Still recovering from a knee injury suffered at the end of last season

43. Johnthan Banks, CB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Grade: +1.0
Snaps:


28 snaps with the starters, 17 at RCB and 11 at LCB
Analysis: Only targeted once for a 3-yard gain, Banks broke quickly on the curl-route to fellow rookie Kenbrell Thompkins to prevent any yards after the catch.

44. Kawann Short, DT, Carolina Panthers
Grade: -0.1
Snaps:


36 snaps, mostly with second string
Analysis: Another strong week for Short as a pass rusher as he graded at +0.6 with two hurries on his 19 rushes. His -0.8 grade against the run brought him down for the week.

45. Kevin Minter, ILB, Arizona Cardinals
Grade: 0.3
Snaps:


26 snaps with the second string defense
Analysis: Minter did fine work against the run, picking up two stops on his way to a +0.6 grade. He picked up another stop in coverage, but was also responsible for a first down and a touchdown as he was late to the flat to cover fellow rookie Gavin Escobar.

46. Kiko Alonso, ILB, Buffalo Bills
Grade:


n/a
Snaps: 0
Analysis: Did not play due to injury.

49. Johnathan Hankins, DT, New York Giants
Grade: 0.0
Snaps:


16 snaps with second string defensive line
Analysis: Strong performance against the run, Hankins got in on two stops (one assisted) as he did a nice job of controlling blockers at the point of attack. As a pass-rusher, he came up empty on his seven attempts.

50. Jon Bostic, MLB, Chicago Bears
Grade: -2.4
Snaps:


29
Analysis: While most are celebrating Bostic’s big hit that dislodged a wide receiver screen, and rightfully so, it’s hard to ignore his issues against the run that led to a -2.3 grade. He was consistently blocked at the second level and when he finally had a chance to make a play, he whiffed on a tackle on Fozzy Whittaker.

51. David Amerson, CB Washington Redskins
Grade: +0.2
Snaps:


39 snaps with the starters, all at RCB
Analysis: As I mentioned last week, I really wanted to see Amerson challenged deep. We’ve still yet to see a good example of it. His only target was a tough one as he tried to stick with two receivers in his zone and surrendered a 26-yard catch. Overall, another solid evening for Amerson.

52. Jamie Collins, LB, New England Patriots
Grade: -0.1
Snaps:


47 snaps playing mostly nickel linebacker in the first half and 3-4 outside linebacker in the second half
Analysis: As we documented, Collins had a nice day in coverage (+1.9) but struggled at times against the run (-1.7). He worked downhill on a number of routes to keep them to short gains, while adding a pass defensed. But, some over-aggressiveness and poor run fits showed his inexperience.

53. Margus Hunt, DE, Cincinnati Bengals
Grade: -3.4
Snaps:


37 snaps, 29 at defensive left end
Analysis: Hunt failed to notch any pressure on his 22 rushes and after a strong start, struggled to get off blocks in the running game.

54. Jamar Taylor, CB, Miami Dolphins
Grade: +0.2
Snaps:


12 snaps, all covering the slot
Analysis: Uneventful debut for Taylor who surrendered a 4-yard gain on his only target.

56. Arthur Brown, ILB, Baltimore Ravens
Grade: -0.6
Snaps:


39 snaps with first-team nickel defense and second-team base defense
Analysis: Brown showed his potential by bursting into the backfield for a tackle for loss in the second quarter, but found himself sealed out of a few plays as well. In coverage, he was beaten to the edge on a swing route to RB Antone Smith.

57. D.J. Swearinger, FS, Houston Texans
Grade: +0.3
Snaps:


46 snaps, 24 at free safety, 13 at strong safety, and 9 in the slot
Analysis: Most will remember Swearinger’s hit that injured TE Dustin Keller, but other than that, it was a rather average night for the safety. He notched a stop in the running game and gave up only one completion on his four targets, though he was the beneficiary of two drops.

60. Robert Alford, CB, Atlanta Falcons
Grade: -0.5
Snaps:


28 snaps,
Analysis: Alford’s only target resulted in a defensive pass interference as he was just unable to get away with some downfield jockeying against WR Aaron Mellette.

 

 
Highest and lowest grades of the second round picks:

No-one really stood out in terms of having a HIGH GRADE of the 2nd round IDP draft class this past week but Jonathan Banks from the Bucs did post a plus-1 grade so he's the sole high grade this week.

 

 

43. Johnthan Banks, CB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Grade: +1.0
Snaps:


28 snaps with the starters, 17 at RCB and 11 at LCB
Analysis: Only targeted once for a 3-yard gain, Banks broke quickly on the curl-route to fellow rookie Kenbrell Thompkins to prevent any yards after the catch.

 

 

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A down week for the second round class, but these three guys stood out for those who stumbled.

33. John Cyprien, FS, Jacksonville Jaguars
Grade:


-3.5
Snaps:


28 snaps with first team
Analysis: Cypriens’ debut was not a good one as he graded at -3.3 in coverage, including two penalties and looking lost at times on the deep ball. Here’s Thomas Maney’s closer look at Cyprien’s day.

53. Margus Hunt, DE, Cincinnati Bengals
Grade: -3.4
Snaps:


37 snaps, 29 at defensive left end
Analysis: Hunt failed to notch any pressure on his 22 rushes and after a strong start, struggled to get off blocks in the running game.

 

50. Jon Bostic, MLB, Chicago Bears
Grade: -2.4
Snaps:


29
Analysis: While most are celebrating Bostic’s big hit that dislodged a wide receiver screen, and rightfully so, it’s hard to ignore his issues against the run that led to a -2.3 grade. He was consistently blocked at the second level and when he finally had a chance to make a play, he whiffed on a tackle on Fozzy Whittaker.

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Combining the 1st and 2nd rounders and looking for highest and lowest grades. Well no-one of the second rounders changes the highest IDP grades of the first round class so that remains the same but the lowest grades had three guys from the second round make that list so here is the LOWEST GRADES of the COMBINED 1st and 2nd round IDP draftees thru week-2.

LOWEST GRADES OF 1st and 2nd round IDP draftees:

30. Alec Ogletree, LB, St Louis Rams
Grade: -4.1

33. John Cyprien, FS, Jacksonville Jaguars
Grade:

-3.5

53. Margus Hunt, DE, Cincinnati Bengals
Grade: -3.4


9. Dee Milliner, CB, New York Jets
Grade: -3.0


22. Desmond Trufant, CB, Atlanta Falcons
Grade: -2.8


24. Bjorn Werner, OLB, Indianapolis Colts
Grade: -2.6


50. Jon Bostic, MLB, Chicago Bears
Grade: -2.4


14. Star Lotulelei, DT, Carolina Panthers
Grade: -1.5


17. Jarvis Jones, OLB, Pittsburgh Steelers
Grade: -1.2


 
I believe mongo is a unique talent with a special extra gear in his initial burst. I think he could be Demarcus ware in the future

 
I believe mongo is a unique talent with a special extra gear in his initial burst. I think he could be Demarcus ware in the future
Mingo might be out for much longer than people have assumed.

Really odd coincidence. San Diego Charger WR Eddie Royale had the exact same injury the same week that Mingo did.

I posted two articles in the injury news thread here and one from Bleacher Report went into great detail pertaining to this injury. I posted that I wouldn't be disappointed if Mingo were held out longer than the opener but I wasn't expecting him to potentially be held out for months.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/08/barkevious_mingos_bruised_lung_1.html

Barkevious Mingo's bruised lung could keep him out for months considering he spit up blood, two thoracic surgeons say
BEREA, Ohio -- Barkevious Mingo's bruised lung could keep him out of football for months, considering he was spitting up blood and doesn't recall a sharp blow to the chest, two thoracic surgeons told cleveland.com Wednesday.

What's more, when the bruise heals, the Browns' rookie linebacker will likely have to undergo a battery of tests to rule out a more serious condition.

"The fact that he's spitting up blood means it's not a minor contusion,'' Dr. Philip A. Linden, Chief of Thoracic Surgery at University Hospitals Case Medical Center, said. Linden has not treated Mingo. "There's something significant going on there.''

Linden said a bruised lung can take anywhere from two weeks to two months to heal, depending on the severity of the contusion.

"Two weeks might not apply in this case because of the coughing up blood,'' he said. "The most common situation we see with lung contusions is after a motor vehicle accident, where there are broken ribs. Even then, coughing up blood is unusual.''

Linden said it's unusual because bruises usually occur at the edges of the lungs and "to cough up blood, it's usually something more central going on.''

Dr. Clark Fuller, Director of Thoracic Surgery at Saint John's Health Center in Santa Monica, Calif., said he wouldn't plan on Mingo being ready for the opener Sept. 8 against the Dolphins. He agreed that the issue could -- and probably should -- take months to resolve.

Last week, Fuller said he'd keep Mingo sidelined for at least two to three weeks -- but that was before Mingo revealed the blood.

"The opener is in jeopardy -- and it should be,'' said Fuller. "You've got to make sure this isn't a warning flag for something more serious. Spitting up blood and being short of breath shows you how severe it was, and there's no apparent reason for it.''

Both surgeons are puzzled as to how Mingo was injured lung without a sharp blow to the chest.

Quite honestly it's a little frightening because we don't have a good reason why he started bleeding inside his lung.
"A pulmonary contusion would be very unusual without significant force, such as the force that you would have with a bad motor vehicle accident on the chest wall,'' said Linden.

So what would explain Mingo's injury?

"I don't have an explanation for that,'' Linden said.

Mingo experienced shortness of breath after covering the opening kickoff of Thursday's 24-6 victory over the Lions, but re-iterated Wednesday that he did not take a helmet to the chest. As the first quarter wore on, he found it increasingly difficult to breathe, and had blood in his mouth. He alerted the training staff, who quickly took him to the Cleveland Clinic Hospital, where they diagnosed the injury.

On Tuesday, coach Rob Chudzinski said of Mingo's estimated date of return, "basically, the bottom line with KeKe is nobody really knows.''

On Wednesday in the locker room, Mingo insisted he felt fine in camp until that first play against the Lions, suggesting the cause of his injury didn't happen in the preseason opener against the Rams or in practice.

"It happened in the (Lions) game,'' he said.

Linden said another cause for spitting up blood is a clot in the lung that can mimic a contusion, "but I assume they've done the tests to rule that out.''

Browns right guard Jason Pinkston suffered a blood clot in his lung last season. He missed the final 10 games and remained out of football activities for six months while on blood thinners.

Fuller said he'd also want to rule out a congenital condition, such as an arteriovenous malformation, or nodule on the lung, which can rupture and be very serious.

"You need to know why this young man bled,'' he said. "Otherwise there's a huge risk out there and it could happen again."

He said the fact it occurred after a 30- or 40-yard sprint is significant. "It could be something he was born with, or maybe he tore something in his lung,'' he said. "But exertion triggered this thing, and right now an investment in a couple of weeks is small change compared to this young man's life.''

Fuller stressed that the lack of an obvious trauma to the chest is the biggest reason to exercise caution. He said that in the case of Chargers receiver Eddie Royal, who suffered a bruised lung in practice last Friday, he came down hard on his back and also suffered a concussion.

"That was one plus one equals two,'' Fuller said. "Here, we've got one plus one equals we're not sure. It's really difficult to put together, and quite honestly it's a little frightening because we don't have a good reason why he started bleeding inside his lung. I think it really needs to be fleshed out before this guys goes back out onto the field.''

Mingo said Wednesday that he's felt great since since spending Thursday night at the Clinic and that his breathing is fine. But his doctors -- who saw him again on Tuesday -- aren't letting him run yet. During practice, he's getting tips from fellow linemen, including left tackle Joe Thomas.

"I'm good,'' he said. "I can always take this time to get the mental reps and go out there at practice and watch the guys do it the right way and in the meeting room get the corrections and whatever it may be to get better."

But Fuller cautioned that he wouldn't rely on Mingo's reports of how he feels and his eagerness to play.

"Him feeling well has zero input into the management of his case,'' said Fuller. "The least important thing to me is how he feels. These things are a big deal, and it needs careful investigation to make sure nothing will raise its ugly head in the future.''


 
Updated for third preseason games for the first rounders.

3. Dion Jordan, DE, Miami Dolphins

Grade: +1.0

Snaps:

21

Analysis:

After flashing some early pass rush potential Jordan has been sidelined by injury. His time will come, but as a rookie it’s likely to be purely situational, and only once he’s healthy.

5. Ezekial Ansah, DE, Detroit Lions

Grade: +2.1

Snaps:

70

Analysis:

Now inked in to start, he’s yet to do much as a pass rusher but is proving himself a capable early-down player at this point in his career. Has converted just 2-of-38 pass rushes into pressure though, and that number needs to grow if he’s not going to lose regular season playing time to guys like Willie Young who has upped his game this preseason.

6. Barkevious Mingo, OLB, Cleveland Browns

Grade: +3.2

Snaps:

32

Analysis:

Unfortunately hasn’t seen the field since his starring role in Week 1. Looked the part then with three hits and a hurry but a bruised lung likely sees him being eased into things upon his return.

9. Dee Milliner, CB, New York Jets

Grade: -3.5

Snaps:

85

Analysis:

After getting worked over by the Jaguars, Milliner got the day off with a calf injury. While that prevented him from getting another tongue lashing from Rex Ryan for his play, it won’t have done anything to make Jets fans forget about Darrelle Revis.

12. D.J. Hayden, CB, Oakland Raiders

Grade: -1.7

Snaps:

40

Analysis:

So the performance wasn’t great, but it was nonetheless good for Raiders fans to see him get actual game action. Given the offseason he’s endured he was always going to struggle when pushed into the starting lineup, but it could have been a lot worse.

13. Sheldon Richardson, DE, New York Jets

Grade: +4.2

Snaps:

101

Analysis:

After his big game against Jacksonville much was expected. Despite picking up a sack and a hit against the Giants in his best pass rushing display to date, he didn’t follow up on his superb work against the run. I suppose you can’t expect every game from a rookie to produce fireworks.

14. Star Lotulelei, DT, Carolina Panthers

Grade: +3.1

Snaps:

76

Analysis:

There are moments when Lotulelei executes his moves so well that he looks near unstoppable. Kelechi Osemele found that out the hard way as the rookie manhandled him. Has provided enough pass rush that you can’t write him off there either, but it’s likely his work in the run game that will earn him plaudits this season.

15. Kenny Vaccaro, S, New Orleans Saints

Grade: +1.6

Snaps:

112

Analysis:

After initially looking like he would be eased into things, the Saints responded to different Texans’ offensive packages (not just multiple receiver sets) by getting Vaccaro on the field. How much of this was trial and how much of this was implementation remains to be seen. Extremely active so far with 15 tackles being the most of all safeties.

17. Jarvis Jones, OLB, Pittsburgh Steelers

Grade: -0.3

Snaps:

103

Analysis:

Has played considerably more than any other Steelers outside linebacker, but hasn’t used the time to make a convincing case as to why he should start (though Jason Worilds is doing his bit to help him). With just one hit and two hurries on 43 pass rushes, he needs more production, though he hasn’t let the team down when dropping into coverage on 32% of passing plays.

18. Eric Reid, S, San Francisco 49ers

Grade: +1.7

Snaps:

116

Analysis:

The seemingly inevitable happened with him getting the start for the 49ers this week and looking comfortable. Of course some of that was as a result of the Vikings not testing him, but you can’t blame him for playing what’s in front of him.

22. Desmond Trufant, CB, Atlanta Falcons

Grade: -3.1

Snaps:

83

Analysis:

Through three games has allowed four of five balls thrown into his coverage to be complete (the other was an overthrow of an open receiver). He hasn’t exactly lit it up so far and could find himself seeing a lot of action as teams test him in the early weeks of the season.

23. Shariff Floyd, DT, Minnesota Vikings

Grade: +4.9

Snaps:

53

Analysis:

Was held out against the 49ers but showed enough in his first two outings to suggest he’ll make a positive contribution this year. The only question is how often he plays and that may have a lot to do with Kevin Williams and his injury.

24. Bjorn Werner, OLB, Indianapolis Colts

Grade: -2.0

Snaps:

69

Analysis:

Looked better this week after a nervous start against the Giants. Still, he’s very raw and when on the field with Caesar Rayford, he’s been largely outplayed. Probably ticketed for a situational and backup role this year while he develops.

25. Xavier Rhodes, CB, Minnesota Vikings

Grade: +0.5

Snaps:

55

Analysis:

Through two games he’s allowed two balls into his coverage on five targets (with one pass break up). That’s not bad, but he’ll expect sterner tests come the regular season.

26. Datone Jones, DE, Green Bay Packers

Grade: -0.3

Snaps:

17

Analysis:

Returned to action after his solitary snap on the opening week of preseason but failed to deliver. Was flagged for a silly defensive offside penalty that negated the only pressure he got. Looks ticketed for a sub-package role in Year 1, but may struggle for playing time with the emergence of others at his spot.

28. Sylvester Williams, DT, Denver Broncos

Grade: -2.2

Snaps:

85

Analysis:

Despite playing more snaps against the Rams than any other defender he was generally an anonymous presence. On the plus side, he’s not been bad against the run but the Broncos are in some desperate need of pass rush up the middle and he’s yet to pick up any pressure on his 52 pass rushing snaps. At the moment bringing him onto the field is a real downgrade on both Terrance Knighton and Kevin Vickerson.

30. Alec Ogletree, LB, St Louis Rams

Grade: -0.3

Snaps:

121

Analysis:

A negative grade overall but he’s coming off his best performance to date. Was much improved, and indeed brilliant in coverage where he picked off one pass and broke up another in the end zone. There’s no doubting his athleticism but he does need to get sturdier against the run.

32. Matt Elam, S, Baltimore Ravens

Grade: +2.7

Snaps:

119

Analysis:

The Ravens have gotten him on the field plenty and he’s duly delivered, looking like the real deal (as much as anyone can in preseason). Yet to get the start but has surely done enough to warrant it come the season opener.

 
HIGHEST GRADES

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23. Shariff Floyd, DT, Minnesota Vikings

Grade: +4.9

Snaps:

53

Analysis:

Was held out against the 49ers but showed enough in his first two outings to suggest he’ll make a positive contribution this year. The only question is how often he plays and that may have a lot to do with Kevin Williams and his injury.

13. Sheldon Richardson, DE, New York Jets

Grade: +4.2

Snaps:

101

Analysis:

After his big game against Jacksonville much was expected. Despite picking up a sack and a hit against the Giants in his best pass rushing display to date, he didn’t follow up on his superb work against the run. I suppose you can’t expect every game from a rookie to produce fireworks.

6. Barkevious Mingo, OLB, Cleveland Browns

Grade: +3.2

Snaps:

32

Analysis:

Unfortunately hasn’t seen the field since his starring role in Week 1. Looked the part then with three hits and a hurry but a bruised lung likely sees him being eased into things upon his return.

14. Star Lotulelei, DT, Carolina Panthers

Grade: +3.1

Snaps:

76

Analysis:

There are moments when Lotulelei executes his moves so well that he looks near unstoppable. Kelechi Osemele found that out the hard way as the rookie manhandled him. Has provided enough pass rush that you can’t write him off there either, but it’s likely his work in the run game that will earn him plaudits this season.

32. Matt Elam, S, Baltimore Ravens

Grade: +2.7

Snaps:

119

Analysis:

The Ravens have gotten him on the field plenty and he’s duly delivered, looking like the real deal (as much as anyone can in preseason). Yet to get the start but has surely done enough to warrant it come the season opener.

5. Ezekial Ansah, DE, Detroit Lions

Grade: +2.1

Snaps:

70

Analysis:

Now inked in to start, he’s yet to do much as a pass rusher but is proving himself a capable early-down player at this point in his career. Has converted just 2-of-38 pass rushes into pressure though, and that number needs to grow if he’s not going to lose regular season playing time to guys like Willie Young who has upped his game this preseason.

18. Eric Reid, S, San Francisco 49ers

Grade: +1.7

Snaps:

116

Analysis:

The seemingly inevitable happened with him getting the start for the 49ers this week and looking comfortable. Of course some of that was as a result of the Vikings not testing him, but you can’t blame him for playing what’s in front of him.

15. Kenny Vaccaro, S, New Orleans Saints

Grade: +1.6

Snaps:

112

Analysis:

After initially looking like he would be eased into things, the Saints responded to different Texans’ offensive packages (not just multiple receiver sets) by getting Vaccaro on the field. How much of this was trial and how much of this was implementation remains to be seen. Extremely active so far with 15 tackles being the most of all safeties.

 

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LOWEST GRADES

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9. Dee Milliner, CB, New York Jets

Grade: -3.5

Snaps:

85

Analysis:

After getting worked over by the Jaguars, Milliner got the day off with a calf injury. While that prevented him from getting another tongue lashing from Rex Ryan for his play, it won’t have done anything to make Jets fans forget about Darrelle Revis.

22. Desmond Trufant, CB, Atlanta Falcons

Grade: -3.1

Snaps:

83

Analysis:

Through three games has allowed four of five balls thrown into his coverage to be complete (the other was an overthrow of an open receiver). He hasn’t exactly lit it up so far and could find himself seeing a lot of action as teams test him in the early weeks of the season.

28. Sylvester Williams, DT, Denver Broncos

Grade: -2.2

Snaps:

85

Analysis:

Despite playing more snaps against the Rams than any other defender he was generally an anonymous presence. On the plus side, he’s not been bad against the run but the Broncos are in some desperate need of pass rush up the middle and he’s yet to pick up any pressure on his 52 pass rushing snaps. At the moment bringing him onto the field is a real downgrade on both Terrance Knighton and Kevin Vickerson.

24. Bjorn Werner, OLB, Indianapolis Colts

Grade: -2.0

Snaps:

69

Analysis:

Looked better this week after a nervous start against the Giants. Still, he’s very raw and when on the field with Caesar Rayford, he’s been largely outplayed. Probably ticketed for a situational and backup role this year while he develops.

12. D.J. Hayden, CB, Oakland Raiders

Grade: -1.7

Snaps:

40

Analysis:

So the performance wasn’t great, but it was nonetheless good for Raiders fans to see him get actual game action. Given the offseason he’s endured he was always going to struggle when pushed into the starting lineup, but it could have been a lot worse.

 
Second round IDP draft grade updates:

33. John Cyprien, FS, Jacksonville Jaguars
Grade: -6.2
Snaps

: 74
Analysis: To say Cyprien has been slow out of the blocks would be something of an understatement. He’s been flagged for two penalties, bitten hard on a play action that resulted in a touchdown and been in primary coverage on a number of first downs conceeded. Let’s hope he’s better for the lumps he’s taken now.

36. Darius Slay, CB, Detroit Lions
Grade: -0.8
Snaps:


101
Analysis: Penciled-in to start at right cornerback, Slay hasn’t seen a lot of action (just six balls into his coverage) but they have gone for five catches and 64 yards. Naturally his biggest struggles came against an on-song Tom Brady, and he’ll be a better player for the four receptions he gave up against New England.

38. Manti Te’o, ILB, San Diego Chargers
Grade: -0.4
Snaps:


9
Analysis: The cheeky scamp has disappointed those wishing to use him as a headline-maker, with just nine snaps in preseason. Injuries take players out of games, but what about the people who write about them? We’ll see him on the field soon enough at least.

40. Tank Carradine, DE, San Francisco 49ers
Grade:


n/a
Snaps: n/a
Analysis: He’s extremely unlikely to see the football field this year. A long-term investment for a team that can afford it.

43. Johnthan Banks, CB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Grade: +2.8
Snaps:


106
Analysis: So far, so good. The Bucs aren’t wasting any time putting him to the test, and he’s responded encouragingly, with five defensive stops already highlighting his ability to prevent receivers getting behind him. Allowing just 8 yards per reception into his coverage.

44. Kawann Short, DT, Carolina Panthers
Grade: +4.7
Snaps:


85
Analysis: Is getting the job done and that bodes well for a Panthers team desperate to get some push up the middle. With a sack, hit and five hurries already he’s showing he can be the answer to that particular problem.

45. Kevin Minter, ILB, Arizona Cardinals
Grade: -0.4
Snaps:


86
Analysis: With Daryl Washington suspended he’s had a chance to stake a claim for a starting spot, but just hasn’t done enough. Yet. A healthy 11 tackles is a decent return, but right now Jasper Brinkley is outplaying him.

46. Kiko Alonso, ILB, Buffalo Bills
Grade: -0.4
Snaps:


74
Analysis: Does some things well, and other things not quite so. Has the kind of athleticism where he can stick with skill position players down the field and that provides the Bills’ defense with some flexibility. Does though have a problem when linemen meet him head-on. He’s not built to deal with that right now.

49. Johnathan Hankins, DT, New York Giants
Grade: +1.7
Snaps:


71
Analysis: Don’t go thinking the Giants are a team that will feel the need to rush getting a second-round pick playing time. They’re not. This is a spot they’re deep with veterans, but Hankins is doing enough right now to make a case for playing time this year.

50. Jon Bostic, MLB, Chicago Bears
Grade: -1.0
Snaps:


85
Analysis: Has laid his share of big hits already, and made some blunders, as he tries to make Chicago fans forget about Brian Urlacher. His better work has been in coverage where’s he showed his closing speed, but has not done a good job of getting off blocks in the run game.

51. David Amerson, CB Washington Redskins
Grade: +1.4
Snaps:


102
Analysis: After his strong start came crashing back to earth a little against the Bills. Was flagged for two penalties and allowed a couple of first downs. It wasn’t horrific by any stretch, but he set our expectations high with his first two games.

52. Jamie Collins, LB, New England Patriots
Grade: -3.0
Snaps:


118
Analysis: Welcome to the NFL. Life at outside linebacker isn’t easy and he’s had his share of coverage hiccups. Perhaps the biggest disappointment though is just how little pressure he’s being to generate when the team have used him in that role.

53. Margus Hunt, DE, Cincinnati Bengals
Grade: -5.3
Snaps:


132
Analysis: Let’s just say his performances on Hard Knocks have been more impressive than his performance on the field. Right now he’s an athlete more than a football player, and there’s a lack of real production. Chiefly, he’s just not generating enough pressure relative to how much he’s on the field, largely against second-string tackles. Season 2013 is going to be one of learning and development.

54. Jamar Taylor, CB, Miami Dolphins
Grade: +0.2
Snaps:


37
Analysis: It’s telling that of nine cornerbacks the Dolphins have used in preseason only Richard Marshall (who has since been cut) has seen fewer snaps than Taylor, after he missed the first two games of preseason. That seems to have left him with too much to catch up on if he wanted to challenge for a starting spot to kick-off the season.

56. Arthur Brown, ILB, Baltimore Ravens
Grade: -0.3
Snaps


: 85
Analysis: Was meant to come in and revamp the Ravens’ inside linebacker spot with a jolt of youth. Instead, he’s been upstaged by the evergreen Daryl Smith who is in fine form after missing most of 2012. Hasn’t been bad by any stretch, but isn’t turning many heads right now.

57. D.J. Swearinger, FS, Houston Texans
Grade: -0.6
Snaps:


126
Analysis: Already infamous for his hit on Dustin Keller, there’s been a lot more to his game than just that. An in-the-box safety who looks set to be lined up on tight ends in the team’s dime package (getting him close to the line of scrimmage for sufficient blitzing opportunities) he has given up a long touchdown, but with seven tackles shown a nose for the ball carrier.

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HIGHEST GRADES OF SECOND ROUND

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44. Kawann Short, DT, Carolina Panthers
Grade: +4.7
Snaps:


85
Analysis: Is getting the job done and that bodes well for a Panthers team desperate to get some push up the middle. With a sack, hit and five hurries already he’s showing he can be the answer to that particular problem.

43. Johnthan Banks, CB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Grade: +2.8
Snaps:


106
Analysis: So far, so good. The Bucs aren’t wasting any time putting him to the test, and he’s responded encouragingly, with five defensive stops already highlighting his ability to prevent receivers getting behind him. Allowing just 8 yards per reception into his coverage.

60. Robert Alford, CB, Atlanta Falcons
Grade: +2.2
Snaps:


135
Analysis: Won’t forget his game against the Titans in a hurry. To call it eventful would be an understatement as he went from not allowing a single pass into his coverage all season, to allowing seven receptions with three of those touchdowns. Of course, he did show his play-making with two pass break ups and a further interception. Like I said, eventful.

49. Johnathan Hankins, DT, New York Giants
Grade: +1.7
Snaps:


71
Analysis: Don’t go thinking the Giants are a team that will feel the need to rush getting a second-round pick playing time. They’re not. This is a spot they’re deep with veterans, but Hankins is doing enough right now to make a case for playing time this year.

 

51. David Amerson, CB Washington Redskins
Grade: +1.4
Snaps:


102
Analysis: After his strong start came crashing back to earth a little against the Bills. Was flagged for two penalties and allowed a couple of first downs. It wasn’t horrific by any stretch, but he set our expectations high with his first two games.

 

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LOWEST GRADES OF THE SECOND ROUND

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33. John Cyprien, FS, Jacksonville Jaguars
Grade: -6.2
Snaps


: 74
Analysis: To say Cyprien has been slow out of the blocks would be something of an understatement. He’s been flagged for two penalties, bitten hard on a play action that resulted in a touchdown and been in primary coverage on a number of first downs conceeded. Let’s hope he’s better for the lumps he’s taken now.

53. Margus Hunt, DE, Cincinnati Bengals
Grade: -5.3
Snaps:


132
Analysis: Let’s just say his performances on Hard Knocks have been more impressive than his performance on the field. Right now he’s an athlete more than a football player, and there’s a lack of real production. Chiefly, he’s just not generating enough pressure relative to how much he’s on the field, largely against second-string tackles. Season 2013 is going to be one of learning and development.

52. Jamie Collins, LB, New England Patriots
Grade: -3.0
Snaps:


118
Analysis: Welcome to the NFL. Life at outside linebacker isn’t easy and he’s had his share of coverage hiccups. Perhaps the biggest disappointment though is just how little pressure he’s being to generate when the team have used him in that role.

 
The highest and lowest IDP grades of first and second round draft picks thru 3 preseason games of both the first and second round combined.

 

HIGHEST GRADES

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23. Shariff Floyd, DT, Minnesota Vikings

Grade: +4.9

Snaps:

53

Analysis:

Was held out against the 49ers but showed enough in his first two outings to suggest he’ll make a positive contribution this year. The only question is how often he plays and that may have a lot to do with Kevin Williams and his injury.

44. Kawann Short, DT, Carolina Panthers
Grade: +4.7
Snaps:


85
Analysis: Is getting the job done and that bodes well for a Panthers team desperate to get some push up the middle. With a sack, hit and five hurries already he’s showing he can be the answer to that particular problem.

13. Sheldon Richardson, DE, New York Jets

Grade: +4.2

Snaps:

101

Analysis:

After his big game against Jacksonville much was expected. Despite picking up a sack and a hit against the Giants in his best pass rushing display to date, he didn’t follow up on his superb work against the run. I suppose you can’t expect every game from a rookie to produce fireworks.

6. Barkevious Mingo, OLB, Cleveland Browns

Grade: +3.2

Snaps:

32

Analysis:

Unfortunately hasn’t seen the field since his starring role in Week 1. Looked the part then with three hits and a hurry but a bruised lung likely sees him being eased into things upon his return.

14. Star Lotulelei, DT, Carolina Panthers

Grade: +3.1

Snaps:

76

Analysis:

There are moments when Lotulelei executes his moves so well that he looks near unstoppable. Kelechi Osemele found that out the hard way as the rookie manhandled him. Has provided enough pass rush that you can’t write him off there either, but it’s likely his work in the run game that will earn him plaudits this season.

43. Johnthan Banks, CB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Grade: +2.8
Snaps:


106
Analysis: So far, so good. The Bucs aren’t wasting any time putting him to the test, and he’s responded encouragingly, with five defensive stops already highlighting his ability to prevent receivers getting behind him. Allowing just 8 yards per reception into his coverage.

32. Matt Elam, S, Baltimore Ravens

Grade: +2.7

Snaps:

119

Analysis:

The Ravens have gotten him on the field plenty and he’s duly delivered, looking like the real deal (as much as anyone can in preseason). Yet to get the start but has surely done enough to warrant it come the season opener.

60. Robert Alford, CB, Atlanta Falcons
Grade: +2.2
Snaps:


135
Analysis: Won’t forget his game against the Titans in a hurry. To call it eventful would be an understatement as he went from not allowing a single pass into his coverage all season, to allowing seven receptions with three of those touchdowns. Of course, he did show his play-making with two pass break ups and a further interception. Like I said, eventful.

5. Ezekial Ansah, DE, Detroit Lions

Grade: +2.1

Snaps:

70

Analysis:

Now inked in to start, he’s yet to do much as a pass rusher but is proving himself a capable early-down player at this point in his career. Has converted just 2-of-38 pass rushes into pressure though, and that number needs to grow if he’s not going to lose regular season playing time to guys like Willie Young who has upped his game this preseason.

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LOWEST GRADES

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33. John Cyprien, FS, Jacksonville Jaguars
Grade: -6.2
Snaps


: 74
Analysis: To say Cyprien has been slow out of the blocks would be something of an understatement. He’s been flagged for two penalties, bitten hard on a play action that resulted in a touchdown and been in primary coverage on a number of first downs conceeded. Let’s hope he’s better for the lumps he’s taken now.

53. Margus Hunt, DE, Cincinnati Bengals
Grade: -5.3
Snaps:


132
Analysis: Let’s just say his performances on Hard Knocks have been more impressive than his performance on the field. Right now he’s an athlete more than a football player, and there’s a lack of real production. Chiefly, he’s just not generating enough pressure relative to how much he’s on the field, largely against second-string tackles. Season 2013 is going to be one of learning and development.

9. Dee Milliner, CB, New York Jets

Grade: -3.5

Snaps:

85

Analysis:

After getting worked over by the Jaguars, Milliner got the day off with a calf injury. While that prevented him from getting another tongue lashing from Rex Ryan for his play, it won’t have done anything to make Jets fans forget about Darrelle Revis.

22. Desmond Trufant, CB, Atlanta Falcons

Grade: -3.1

Snaps:

83

Analysis:

Through three games has allowed four of five balls thrown into his coverage to be complete (the other was an overthrow of an open receiver). He hasn’t exactly lit it up so far and could find himself seeing a lot of action as teams test him in the early weeks of the season.

52. Jamie Collins, LB, New England Patriots
Grade: -3.0
Snaps:


118
Analysis: Welcome to the NFL. Life at outside linebacker isn’t easy and he’s had his share of coverage hiccups. Perhaps the biggest disappointment though is just how little pressure he’s being to generate when the team have used him in that role.

28. Sylvester Williams, DT, Denver Broncos

Grade: -2.2

Snaps:

85

Analysis:

Despite playing more snaps against the Rams than any other defender he was generally an anonymous presence. On the plus side, he’s not been bad against the run but the Broncos are in some desperate need of pass rush up the middle and he’s yet to pick up any pressure on his 52 pass rushing snaps. At the moment bringing him onto the field is a real downgrade on both Terrance Knighton and Kevin Vickerson.

24. Bjorn Werner, OLB, Indianapolis Colts

Grade: -2.0

Snaps:

69

Analysis:

Looked better this week after a nervous start against the Giants. Still, he’s very raw and when on the field with Caesar Rayford, he’s been largely outplayed. Probably ticketed for a situational and backup role this year while he develops.

 

 
I'm curious about Sheldon Richardson. Has anyone see him play? If so, what do you think so far, as a Keeper (with maybe decent production later this year)?

 
PFF didn't issue any final grades for the preseason.

I took a look at the first round IDP picks to just see who is or isn't starting and came up with this list and didn't want to open a new thread:

Pick

3 DE Dion Jordan - MIA

DE:

Cameron Wake (W), Olivier Vernon, Dion Jordan (inj), --- NOT LISTED AS STARTING!

5 DE Ezekiel Ansah - DET

DE:

Jason Jones (DT), Ezekiel Ansah (inj), Willie Young, Israel Idonije (DT), Devin Taylor

Even though Ansah was out with a concussion and is still listed as injured he is listed as a starter, at least on Football Guys depth chart. His name is not highlighted in blue so I designate him as an 'iffy' starter.

6 LB Barkevious Mingo - CLE

OLB:

Paul Kruger (S), Jabaal Sheard, Barkevious Mingo (inj), -- NOT LISTED AS STARTING

9 CB Dee Milliner - NYJ

CB:

Antonio Cromartie (KR), Dee Milliner

12 CB D.J. Hayden - OAK

CB:

Mike Jenkins, D.J. Hayden, Tracy Porter (inj), Phillip Adams (PR), Brandian Ross (FS/CB), Chimdi Chekwa, Taiwan Jones (KR)

D.J. is another 'iffy' starter.

13 DE Sheldon Richardson - NYJ

DE:

Muhammad Wilkerson, Sheldon Richardson

LISTED AS A SOLID STARTER

14 DT Star Lolutelei - CAR

DT: Star Lotulelei,

LISTED AS A SOLID STARTER

15 SS Kenny Vaccaro - NO

S: Roman Harper (SS), Malcolm Jenkins (FS), Kenny Vaccaro (SS), - NOT LISTED AS A STARTER

17 LB Jarvis Jones - PIT

OLB:

LaMarr Woodley (L), Jason Worilds (L), Jarvis Jones - NOT LISTED AS A STARTER

18 FS Eric Reid - SF

S: Donte Whitner (SS), Eric Reid (FS),

LISTED AS A SOLID STARTER

22 CB Desmond Trufant - ATL

CB: Asante Samuel, Desmond Trufant, Robert McClain, Robert Alford, Dominique Franks (PR)

Listed as an 'iffy' starter

23 DT Sharrif Floyd - MIN

DT: Kevin Williams (inj), Letroy Guion (NT), Fred Evans, Sharrif Floyd, Chase Baker - NOT LISTED AS A STARTER

24 LB Bjoern Werner - IND

OLB: Robert Mathis (S), Erik Walden, Bjoern Werner, Cam Johnson, Lawrence Sidbury (IR), Justin Hickman (IR), Quinton Spears (IR) - Listed as an 'iffy' starter

25 CB Xavier Rhodes - MIN

CB: Chris Cook, Xavier Rhodes

LISTED AS A SOLID STARTER

26 DE Datone Jones - GB

DE: B.J. Raji, Datone Jones

LISTED AS A SOLID STARTER

28 DT Sylvester Williams - DEN

DT: Kevin Vickerson, Terrance Knighton, Sylvester Williams - NOT LISTED AS A STARTER

30 LB Alex Oagletree - STL

OLB: Alec Ogletree (S),

LISTED AS A SOLID STARTER

32 FS Matt Elam - BAL

S: Michael Huff (FS), James Ihedigbo (SS), Matt Elam (SS), - NOT LISTED AS A STARTER

Of the 18 first round IDP selections it breaks right down the middle with:

- 7 are listed as starters

- 4 are listed as 'iffy' starters

- 7 are NOT listed as starters

I'm sure the above will change once the rooks get more experience and get up to speed. Also a couple still need to recuperate from injuries and even though some are listed as starters right now, they may have been pressed into the starting lineup due to injury or need rather than due to solid play so-far. Also of those not listed as starters or who are 'iffy' starters they likely have earned solid reps in sub packages.

 
PFF has posted grades for all of the first round draft picks for the 1st week of the regular season.

Here are the grades for the IDP first round draft picks.

3. Dion Jordan, DE, Miami Dolphins

Grade: -1.7
Snaps: 18
Analysis: Don’t expect a heavy snap count out of Jordan. He’s purely a situational pass rusher right now and that’s what he spent Sunday doing. He was on the field enough to rush the passer 15 times and pick up his first sack in the process (though he didn’t get anything else).

5. Ezekial Ansah, DE, Detroit Lions

Grade: -0.4
Snaps: 27
Analysis: Found himself upstaged by Willie Young and that may allow the Lions to ease in their top round pick. Still got on the field for a healthy 27 snaps (Young saw 29) where only a penalty dropped him to a negative grade. Good return of a sack and three hurries

on debut.

6. Barkevious Mingo, OLB, Cleveland Browns

Grade: n/a
Snaps: 0
Analysis: Cleared for action in Week 2 after missing the opener.

9. Dee Milliner, CB, New York Jets

Grade: -0.3
Snaps: 67
Analysis: The Jets’ No. 2 cornerback played every snap of the Week 1 win over the Bucs, giving up his first touchdown as he allowed 4-of-9 passes into his coverage for 65 yards.

12. D.J. Hayden, CB, Oakland Raiders

Grade: -1.6
Snaps: 23
Analysis: Will expect to be starting soon if the more experienced Tracy Porter and Mike Jenkins don’t step it up. He himself didn’t have a great start allowing all three balls into his coverage to be complete for 37 yards.

13. Sheldon Richardson, DE, New York Jets

Grade: +2.3
Snaps: 64
Analysis: Getting plenty of action (he missed just three snaps) Richardson was fantastic against the run, picking up four defensive stops as he showed off his relentless motor. The team will want to see more pressure than the one clean up sack he picked up on 31 pass rushers.

14. Star Lotulelei, DT, Carolina Panthers

Grade: +3.3
Snaps: 40
Analysis: A fine debut from a guy who looks every bit the run defender as advertised. 11.8% of his run defense plays saw him pick up a defensive stop as the Seahawks’ interior struggled to get to grips with him.

15. Kenny Vaccaro, S, New Orleans Saints

Grade: -1.3
Snaps: 56
Analysis: Was an every-down player as the Saints got him a host of work, but let himself down a tad when he was flagged for a silly penalty. Didn’t impress against the run where even Tony Gonzalez had joy against him, but looked the part in coverage.

17. Jarvis Jones, OLB, Pittsburgh Steelers

Grade: -1.2
Snaps: 30
Analysis: Is being eased into things behind Jason Worilds and didn’t get much of a chance to show his talents off with the Titans intent on running the clock out. Upshot was of his 30 snaps only six were rushing the passer.

18. Eric Reid, S, San Francisco 49ers

Grade: +0.4
Snaps: 63
Analysis: Walked away with a first career pick but couldn’t get a better grade after missing a couple of tackles. Still made the loss of Dashon Goldson something that was easy to forget.

22. Desmond Trufant, CB, Atlanta Falcons

Grade: -0.3
Snaps: 68
Analysis: Didn’t look out of place against the Saints in an encouraging debut. Did still allow 4-of-5 balls into his coverage, but his pass break-up will be the kind of play Falcons fans are hoping to see more of.

23. Shariff Floyd, DT, Minnesota Vikings

Grade: +0.8
Snaps: 44
Analysis: Saw a lot of action with Kevin Williams but couldn’t bring his preseason form to the regular one. Better against the run as he picked up no pressure and just the one batted pass. Sense there is more to come.

24. Bjorn Werner, OLB, Indianapolis Colts

Grade: -3.0
Snaps: 29
Analysis: Took his preseason form into the regular season as he struggled to make a case for more playing time. As it was in preseason he looked out of place against the run and of his two hurries one came unblocked.

25. Xavier Rhodes, CB, Minnesota Vikings

Grade: -0.7
Snaps: 73
Analysis: An inauspicious debut. Flagged for a penalty on special teams and a defensive pass interference as well as a first down. Could have been much worse with Calvin Johnson on the field.

26. Datone Jones, DE, Green Bay Packers

Grade: -2.3
Snaps: 39
Analysis: Purely a situational player at this point, the team are obviously counting on him to pick up pressure from their sub package defense (from which he operated exclusively). Still the outcome was zero pressure on 14 snaps. Not a great start.

28. Sylvester Williams, DT, Denver Broncos

Grade: -1.1
Snaps: 16
Analysis: Carried over his preseason anonymity into the Broncos opener, earning just the 16 snaps and drawing a blank on the stat sheet. Not a player you notice much on an NFL field right now.

30. Alec Ogletree, LB, St Louis Rams

Grade: -1.6
Snaps: 65
Analysis: There’s some good and some bad with Ogletree who can fly to the ball (as his eight tackles suggest), but can be put into unfavorable positions by his over enthusiasm and the talent of blockers in this league.

32. Matt Elam, S, Baltimore Ravens

Grade: -0.4
Snaps: 13
Analysis: Spent most of the game on the sidelines as he let Michael Huff make a case for Elam to be starting.

 
Highest and lowest grades.

Kinda rough start. Only two high grades that stood out and unfortunately lots of lower grades for the first week.

HIGHEST GRADES

14. Star Lotulelei, DT, Carolina Panthers

Grade: +3.3
Snaps: 40
Analysis: A fine debut from a guy who looks every bit the run defender as advertised. 11.8% of his run defense plays saw him pick up a defensive stop as the Seahawks’ interior struggled to get to grips with him.

13. Sheldon Richardson, DE, New York Jets

Grade: +2.3
Snaps: 64
Analysis: Getting plenty of action (he missed just three snaps) Richardson was fantastic against the run, picking up four defensive stops as he showed off his relentless motor. The team will want to see more pressure than the one clean up sack he picked up on 31 pass rushers.

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LOWEST GRADES

24. Bjorn Werner, OLB, Indianapolis Colts

Grade: -3.0
Snaps: 29
Analysis: Took his preseason form into the regular season as he struggled to make a case for more playing time. As it was in preseason he looked out of place against the run and of his two hurries one came unblocked.

26. Datone Jones, DE, Green Bay Packers

Grade: -2.3
Snaps: 39
Analysis: Purely a situational player at this point, the team are obviously counting on him to pick up pressure from their sub package defense (from which he operated exclusively). Still the outcome was zero pressure on 14 snaps. Not a great start.

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3. Dion Jordan, DE, Miami Dolphins

Grade: -1.7
Snaps: 18
Analysis: Don’t expect a heavy snap count out of Jordan. He’s purely a situational pass rusher right now and that’s what he spent Sunday doing. He was on the field enough to rush the passer 15 times and pick up his first sack in the process (though he didn’t get anything else).

12. D.J. Hayden, CB, Oakland Raiders

Grade: -1.6
Snaps: 23
Analysis: Will expect to be starting soon if the more experienced Tracy Porter and Mike Jenkins don’t step it up. He himself didn’t have a great start allowing all three balls into his coverage to be complete for 37 yards.

30. Alec Ogletree, LB, St Louis Rams

Grade: -1.6
Snaps: 65
Analysis: There’s some good and some bad with Ogletree who can fly to the ball (as his eight tackles suggest), but can be put into unfavorable positions by his over enthusiasm and the talent of blockers in this league.

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15. Kenny Vaccaro, S, New Orleans Saints

Grade: -1.3
Snaps: 56
Analysis: Was an every-down player as the Saints got him a host of work, but let himself down a tad when he was flagged for a silly penalty. Didn’t impress against the run where even Tony Gonzalez had joy against him, but looked the part in coverage.

17. Jarvis Jones, OLB, Pittsburgh Steelers

Grade: -1.2
Snaps: 30
Analysis: Is being eased into things behind Jason Worilds and didn’t get much of a chance to show his talents off with the Titans intent on running the clock out. Upshot was of his 30 snaps only six were rushing the passer.

28. Sylvester Williams, DT, Denver Broncos

Grade: -1.1
Snaps: 16
Analysis: Carried over his preseason anonymity into the Broncos opener, earning just the 16 snaps and drawing a blank on the stat sheet. Not a player you notice much on an NFL field right now.

 
Regarding Ogletree, I'm feeling a St Louis version of what happened with Bowman and Willis going down with Laurinitis and Ogletree. Our resident experts just couldn't believe Navarro could keep cutting into Willis' tackles and when we all figured it out it was too late. I'm considering upgrading to him where I can, while I can. Dude looks IDP stout to me. Seems hungry.

 
=== how did the grades for guys like Cyprien and Honeybadger look?

=== Or Alonso?

Pro Football Focus complies tons of stats and grades out individual players and does game previews and rewinds and has a load of fantasy material, etc, et el.

They provide lots of free content such as the grades for all first round draft picks and in the preseason they also included grades for all second round draft selections. Once the season began I did not think they would continue to provide grades of first round draft picks gratis let alone also continue to provide second round grades.

I knew how valuable the information that they provided on IDP prospects was/is to the IDP community so I took the time to cut-and-paste that info here.

PFF has gratiously decidedt to continue posting 1st round grades which shocked me. I am not complaining about their decision to discontinue to supply second round grades but that is their decision and I respect it.

So, sorry but they don't supply that info for free but if you purchase their material you would get that and tons more.

No, I don't work for PFF but I find their information very valuable and if I find something that they provide for free I'llt try to post it.

 
Thanks Bracie. When I asked about Alonso it slipped my mind that these are only grades for first round draft picks, not grades for significant rookies. Of course Alonso isn't there :)

 
I'd been holding Richardson but moved him to start when Osi had a BYE. I like this kid - he gave me a FF, 5Tk and an Atk. I'm holding him.

 
Updated 1st round draft grades.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/10/29/first-rounders-in-focus-week-8/

3. Dion Jordan, DE, Miami Dolphins

Grade: +3.2
Snaps: 145
Analysis: Purely a situational player and even then it’s a strictly obvious passing downs one. That means we can’t expect the kind of contribution we saw from Aldon Smith in his rookie year but his 14 quarterback disruptions on 94 pass rushing snaps are a useful return. Playing time is the biggest thing holding him back.

5. Ezekial Ansah, DE, Detroit Lions

Grade: -4.7
Snaps: 343
Analysis: The four sacks are a nice return, but his pass rushing production hasn’t been quite what the team might have hoped. He has more total pressure than Jordan (17 QB disruptions) but it’s taken him an extra 105 snaps to earn it. His work in the run game has warranted a positive grade, though.

6. Barkevious Mingo, OLB, Cleveland Browns

Grade: -4.4
Snaps: 362
Analysis: Got plenty of action with Jabaal Sheard out injured, and now that he’s back Mingo is still seeing the field but not doing enough to suggest he should be starting. Much like the man selected above him, not producing enough pressure relative to how many times he’s rushing the passer. Have been flashes.

9. Dee Milliner, CB, New York Jets

Grade: -8.1
Snaps: 226
Analysis: Here’s a riddle. Who has more benchings than pass break ups, but fewer benchings than touchdowns he allowed? Of course the answer is Milliner who has endured a very tricky start to life in the NFL, picking up the second-lowest coverage grade of all cornerbacks and being saved on more than one occasion by some erratic quarterback play.

12. D.J. Hayden, CB, Oakland Raiders

Grade: -3.8
Snaps: 317
Analysis: Has been a lot better since missing a frankly ridiculous six tackles versus the Broncos (outside of that he has just one miss). That bodes well and he’s settling into life as the team’s outside corner in their sub-package defense.

13. Sheldon Richardson, DE, New York Jets

Grade: +13.9
Snaps: 446
Analysis: After a hot start he’s slowed down a little, but our Race for Rookie of the Year still has him top of the charts. The team might have been expecting more pressure but it’s been against the run that Richardson has starred. That’s why he’s our sixth-ranked 3-4 end.

14. Star Lotulelei, DT, Carolina Panthers

Grade: +11.1
Snaps: 270
Analysis: Arguably the form rookie right now with his work against the run standing out as much as any other. It’s not just that he’s clogging up running lanes, but he has a real knack for getting off the ball as his 12.5 Run Stop Percentage shows. That’s fourth best of all defensive tackles.

15. Kenny Vacaro, S, New Orleans Saints

Grade: -4.7
Snaps: 445
Analysis: Certainly making his presence felt and has earned a positive for his good work in the run game where he really shows off his instincts. Less effective rushing the passer (and the team isn’t shy about blitzing him) and has been found wanting in coverage on more than one occasion.

17. Jarvis Jones, OLB, Pittsburgh Steelers

Grade: -2.2
Snaps: 209
Analysis: Was handed the starting job but then lost it because of blowing assignments. Just six QB disruptions on 75 pass rushes speaks to his lack of opportunity, but when he has been on the field he’s hardly wowed. Slow start.

18. Eric Reid, S, San Francisco 49ers

Grade: +5.4
Snaps: 513
Analysis: Despite his poor tackling (nine missed tackles) he’s taken to the task of replacing Dashon Goldon extremely well, rarely putting a foot wrong in coverage and making a number of big plays on the ball. The team is better for his ability.

22. Desmond Trufant, CB, Atlanta Falcons

Grade: +3.0
Snaps: 437
Analysis: Has rather interestingly managed to pick up at least one pass break up in each of his seven starts. Not too shabby. Of course there’s more to life in the NFL than just PDs (he’s been flagged for three penalties, for example), but it’s been a steady to start to things for Trufant.

23. Shariff Floyd, DT, Minnesota Vikings

Grade: -3.6
Snaps: 198
Analysis: Hasn’t really proved anyone wrong yet with his draft day drop. A part of the Vikings’ rotation, he has seven quarterback disruptions but has failed to make a real impression against the run. The team is easing him into a more prominent role in the years to come.

24. Bjorn Werner, OLB, Indianapolis Colts

Grade: -2.8
Snaps: 86
Analysis: Is close to returning after picking up an injury after two snaps against the Jaguars in Week 4. Hardly set the world alight in that period, but they will be hoping he comes back better for the time off.

25. Xavier Rhodes, CB, Minnesota Vikings

Grade: -1.9
Snaps: 337
Analysis: An uneventful time of things outside of getting flagged a poor four times. Yet to allow a touchdown and does a decent job for the most part of not letting receivers in behind him with the 19 catches he’s allowed averaging just 9.6 yards.

26. Datone Jones, DE, Green Bay Packers

Grade: -5.8
Snaps: 138
Analysis: He’s being eased into things as the snap count would suggest, with the team expecting him to make a contribution in their sub-package, obvious passing situation defense. He hasn’t. Not yet, anyway, but it should be noted he’s had two stronger performances in his last three weeks. Baby steps.

28. Sylvester Williams, DT, Denver Broncos

Grade: -4.0
Snaps: 87
Analysis: Featured in all bar one game but yet to manage more than 20 snaps. The team clearly hasn’t deemed him ready to play in a meaningful manner and with as many missed tackles (two) as tackles (and just the one quarterback disruption), you can see why.

30. Alec Ogletree, LB, St Louis Rams

Grade: -3.0
Snaps: 484
Analysis: The every-down linebacker has certainly made his share of plays and definitely has a nose for the ball-carrier. Of course eight tackles are too many for him to miss and he’s been a pretty ineffective blitzer. Small gripes but the team will no doubt be happy with him.

32. Matt Elam, S, Baltimore Ravens

Grade: -2.5
Snaps: 418
Analysis: Might be better in the long run playing the role that James Ihedigbo has excelled in, but is adjusting to what is being asked of him, with his best performance of the year coming against the Steelers.

 
PFF provides a bonus by giving second round grade update as well.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/10/30/second-rounders-in-focus-week-8/

33. John Cyprien, FS, Jacksonville Jaguars

Grade: -19.4
Snaps: 552
Analysis: On the bright side he’s played every snap for the team. On the downside, he’s looked woefully out of his depth, with the game just too quick for him right now. He’s our lowest-graded safety and the team has evidently taken the approach he’ll be better for the lumps he takes this year.

36. Darius Slay, CB, Detroit Lions

Grade: -6.4
Snaps: 234
Analysis: Initially got the start in Week 1 but some coverage issues meant he never locked down the job and since then he’s spent more time off the field than on it. Getting beat for three touchdowns has not helped his cause either.

38. Manti Te’o, ILB, San Diego Chargers

Grade: -1.8
Snaps: 128
Analysis: A quiet start to life in the NFL after his tumultuous pre-draft process. In some ways he’ll be relieved people aren’t really talking about him. Te’o should also realize that’s, in part, due to him failing to make much of an impact after he was slow to get on the field with a training camp injury.

40. Tank Carradine, DE, San Francisco 49ers

Grade: N/A
Snaps: N/A
Analysis: He’s been activated off the non-football injury list so like you, we are all waiting to see if he can get himself on the field and see what we can do. The initial prognosis suggests not to expect too much this year.

43. Johnthan Banks, CB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Grade: -5.8
Snaps: 395
Analysis: While Revis has excelled, the man who has spent the majority of time opposite him has not. Beaten for two touchdowns and allowing 69.4% of throws into his coverage to be complete, his -8.8 coverage is fourth-worst of all cornerbacks.

44. Kawann Short, DT, Carolina Panthers

Grade: +2.7
Snaps: 258
Analysis: When you start looking at how the Panthers’ defense has turned around, it starts with their top two picks. Star Lotulelei is rightfully getting most of the praise, but Short has certainly contributed as a backup tackle who can add some penetration in their nickel defense.

45. Kevin Minter, ILB, Arizona Cardinals

Grade: N/A
Snaps: N/A
Analysis: Currently down the team’s depth chart and reduced to a marginal role on special teams. This isn’t the year he makes a big impression, especially with Daryl Washington back from suspension.

46. Kiko Alonso, ILB, Buffalo Bills

Grade: +5.5
Snaps: 626
Analysis: Has failed to generate much pressure on his blitzing, but that’s about all he’s done wrong. A playmaker in coverage and with a real nose for the ballcarrier when teams run and he’s on the field. You often find linebackers muscled out of things as rookies, but that has not been the case with the impressive Alonso.

49. Johnathan Hankins, DT, New York Giants

Grade: +2.9
Snaps: 60
Analysis: The Giants are slow to bring up rookies and Hankins is the rule and not the exception. With Patterson, Joseph, Rogers and Jenkins ahead of him on the depth chart, did you really expect anything else? He did demonstrate his talent in his most significant action against the Eagles in Week 5 with four defensive stops.

50. Jon Bostic, MLB, Chicago Bears

Grade: -4.8
Snaps: 87
Analysis: For all the praise he got it’s clear he wasn’t quite ready to start in the NFL, as evidenced when he’s filled in for D.J. Williams. The problems in the run game have proven to be his chief issue with getting acclimatized to the pro game.

51. David Amerson, CB Washington Redskins

Grade: -2.5
Snaps: 352
Analysis: He’s had some bad moments that’s for sure — that game against the Packers at the top. That’s to be expected with a rookie seeing significant action and he’s improved since then. With a pick and four pass break-ups has certainly shown a knack for finding the ball.

52. Jamie Collins, LB, New England Patriots

Grade: -2.9
Snaps: 92
Analysis: Perhaps we expected his role to grow with the injury to Jerod Mayo, but it just hasn’t worked out that way. Yet. Given what is asked of him you still worry when he’s left in coverage. Looks very new to him at times.

53. Margus Hunt, DE, Cincinnati Bengals

Grade: -2.9
Snaps: 70
Analysis: He may have been arguably the star of Hard Knocks (to some people like myself anyway) but Hunt has essentially red-shirted this year. He did pick up a few snaps in garbage time and, much like his preseason play, has looked like he’s not quite ready to play at NFL speed.

54. Jamar Taylor, CB, Miami Dolphins

Grade: -1.3
Snaps: 44
Analysis: Taylor has allowed all four throws into his coverage to be complete, including a touchdown. He hasn’t been seen since the Baltimore game and is taking the look of a “pick for the future”.

56. Arthur Brown, ILB, Baltimore Ravens

Grade: +1.7
Snaps: 87
Analysis: Situational linebacker who the Ravens have got playing time in their obvious passing situation sub-package defense. There they’ve got him rushing the passer, a task to which he’s proved useful enough. Still, what defines him will be what he does when a bigger role is asked of him.

57. D.J. Swearinger, SS, Houston Texans

Grade: -3.9
Snaps: 205
Analysis: Part of a secondary that has failed to deliver the goods. Initially viewed as a part of their dime defense he has got more playing time due to injuries. Better going forward than on his heels, it’s his work in coverage that has left us unimpressed.

60. Robert Alford, CB, Atlanta Falcons

Grade: -0.2
Snaps: 216
Analysis: The feisty Falcon has flashed the kind of talent that will excite the organization going forward. It hasn’t always been pretty but, outside of some problems versus the Rams, he’s handled the third cornerback duties well enough.

 
HIGHEST GRADES

13. Sheldon Richardson, DE, New York Jets

Grade: +13.9

14. Star Lotulelei, DT, Carolina Panthers

Grade: +11.1

46. Kiko Alonso, ILB, Buffalo Bills

Grade: +5.5

18. Eric Reid, S, San Francisco 49ers

Grade: +5.4

3. Dion Jordan, DE, Miami Dolphins

Grade: +3.2

22. Desmond Trufant, CB, Atlanta Falcons

Grade: +3.0

49. Johnathan Hankins, DT, New York Giants

Grade: +2.9

44. Kawann Short, DT, Carolina Panthers

Grade: +2.7

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LOWEST GRADES

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33. John Cyprien, FS, Jacksonville Jaguars

Grade: -19.4



9. Dee Milliner, CB, New York Jets

Grade: -8.1



36. Darius Slay, CB, Detroit Lions

Grade: -6.4



26. Datone Jones, DE, Green Bay Packers

Grade: -5.8



43. Johnthan Banks, CB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Grade: -5.8

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50. Jon Bostic, MLB, Chicago Bears

Grade: -4.8



5. Ezekial Ansah, DE, Detroit Lions

Grade: -4.7



15. Kenny Vacaro, S, New Orleans Saints

Grade: -4.7



6. Barkevious Mingo, OLB, Cleveland Browns

Grade: -4.4



28. Sylvester Williams, DT, Denver Broncos

Grade: -4.0



57. D.J. Swearinger, SS, Houston Texans

Grade: -3.9



12. D.J. Hayden, CB, Oakland Raiders

Grade: -3.8



23. Shariff Floyd, DT, Minnesota Vikings

Grade: -3.6



30. Alec Ogletree, LB, St Louis Rams

Grade: -3.0

 
Hey Bracie,

When they say Sheldon Richardson is their 6th ranked 3-4 end, they mean out of all players, right? Not just rookies.

I love the guy and have been holding him since preseason.

 
Hoss Style said:
Hey Bracie,

When they say Sheldon Richardson is their 6th ranked 3-4 end, they mean out of all players, right? Not just rookies.

I love the guy and have been holding him since preseason.
Zoom-out and take a different look at it.

Considering they have first year player 3-4 DE Shel Richardson as the highest rated rookie out of any position, then he would obviously be the top rated rookie 3-4 DE.

Knowing that, its safe to conclude if Sheldon Richardson is the overall top ranked rookie but also is listed by PFF as the sixth ranked 3-4 DE that they are not speaking only of the rookie 3-4 DEs class but are speaking of the combined 3-4 DEs, rookies and veteran players.

 
Hey Bracie,

When they say Sheldon Richardson is their 6th ranked 3-4 end, they mean out of all players, right? Not just rookies.

I love the guy and have been holding him since preseason.
Zoom-out and take a different look at it.

Considering they have first year player 3-4 DE Shel Richardson as the highest rated rookie out of any position, then he would obviously be the top rated rookie 3-4 DE.

Knowing that, its safe to conclude if Sheldon Richardson is the overall top ranked rookie but also is listed by PFF as the sixth ranked 3-4 DE that they are not speaking only of the rookie 3-4 DEs class but are speaking of the combined 3-4 DEs, rookies and veteran players.
I appreciate the zoom out advice, but maybe I needed to zoom in. I wasn't sure if they were talking year to date, or just for this week.

Easy man. Everyone makes mistakes and apparently I made one. I had about one minute to read while working. Apologies.

 
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Hoss, I wasn't ripping you at all.

Re-read my reply.

Didn't taking any shots at you.

Just explained as best as I could.
Ah, no biggie. I figured you were just giving me a hard time. :)

I'll go adjust my sensitivity meter. I must have knocked it out of whack at some point.

 

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