Rookie RBs, who are they most like? (1 Viewer)

[Tillmanisahero]

What current/past RB would you compare the following rookies to.

Base you comment on talent but you can also consider situation.

D. Mcfadden..... example Bush/Norwood? or________________

J. Stewart

F. Jones

R. Mendenhall

C. Johnson

M. Forte

K. Smith

J. Hester

J. Charles

R. Torain

T. Hightower

 

[BigSteelThrill]

R. Mendenhall - Shaun Alexander

Ray Rice - Maurice Jones Drew

 

[Andy Dufresne]

D. Mcfadden - Robert Smith (Vikings)

J. Stewart - Jerome Bettis

F. Jones - Eric Metcalf

R. Mendenhall - Priest Holmes

C. Johnson - Bobby Mitchell/James Brooks (Bengals/Chargers/Bucs)

M. Forte - Neal Anderson

K. Smith - Earnest Byner

J. Hester - Franco Harris

J. Charles - Tatum Bell

R. Torain - ???

T. Hightower - ???

 

[PahtyTom]

Ray Rice - Maurice Jones Drew

I don't think Ray Rice is in the same league as MJD as far as physical talent goes.Jonathan Stewart - Pre-injuries Deuce Mcallister

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Ray Rice - Maurice Jones Drew

I don't think Ray Rice is in the same league as MJD as far as physical talent goes.

Doesnt have to be. I first made the comparison two years ago. Comparing the Rutgers back to the former UCLA back.

He isnt quite as fast. Doesnt have quite the same bowling ball physique.

But his bounce, vision, build, power are close enough. Especially that agility.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Jonathan Stewart - Pre-injuries Deuce Mcallister

I like this one. I'd also compare him to Steven Jackson.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Jonathan Stewart - Pre-injuries Deuce Mcallister

I like this one. I'd also compare him to Steven Jackson.

And Jamal Lewis. If not for the injury history, would be my #1 rookie pick. I think he's the most talented.Rice I like to compare to Emmit Smith. Not for potentialy being the career rushing leader, but for being tough to snare w/ arm tackles, good vision in traffic, makes himself small and hard to find/hit, follows his blockers as well as any rookie I've seen. Not tremendously fast, or explosive, or strong, or agile, but always seems to get the most out of each carry w/o sustaining maximum punishment.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Jonathan Stewart - Pre-injuries Deuce Mcallister

I like this one. I'd also compare him to Steven Jackson.

And Jamal Lewis.

and Jamal Anderson.

 

[EBF]

What current/past RB would you compare the following rookies to.Base you comment on talent but you can also consider situation.D. Mcfadden..... example Bush/Norwood? or________________J. StewartF. JonesR. MendenhallC. JohnsonM. ForteK. SmithJ. HesterJ. CharlesR. TorainT. Hightower

I like Matt Waldman's method of using a gradient for his player comparisons. Hopefully he won't mind me borrowing that method here. Darren McFadden: Michael Bennett ----X----- Marcus AllenJonathan Stewart: TJ Duckett -------X-- Jamal LewisFelix Jones: Leon Washington ----X----- Tiki BarberRashard Mendenhall: Cedric Benson -------X-- Edgerrin JamesChris Johnson: Trung Canidate ----X----- Charlie GarnerMatt Forte: Chris Brown -X-------- Adrian PetersonKevin Smith: Cedric Cobbs ---X------ Ryan Grant Ray Rice: Ryan Moats --------X- Domanick DavisJacob Hester: Stacey Mack -X-------- Mike AlstottJamaal Charles: Jerious Norwood -X-------- Clinton PortisRyan Torain: Cedric Houston -X-------- Marion Barber IIITashard Choice: Mewelde Moore --X------- Joseph AddaiStewart's NFL impact might be more along the lines of Steven Jackson, but he's built more like Duckett and Lewis. Rice was a hard guy to peg. He has a little bit of Gore, a little bit of Westbrook, and a little bit of Rudi. Domanick Davis seems like a decent approximation.

 

[Wildman]

What current/past RB would you compare the following rookies to.Base you comment on talent but you can also consider situation.D. Mcfadden..... example Bush/Norwood? or________________J. StewartF. JonesR. MendenhallC. JohnsonM. ForteK. SmithJ. HesterJ. CharlesR. TorainT. Hightower

I like Matt Waldman's method of using a gradient for his player comparisons. Hopefully he won't mind me borrowing that method here. Darren McFadden: Michael Bennett ----X----- Marcus AllenJonathan Stewart: TJ Duckett -------X-- Jamal LewisFelix Jones: Leon Washington ----X----- Tiki BarberRashard Mendenhall: Cedric Benson -------X-- Edgerrin JamesChris Johnson: Trung Canidate ----X----- Charlie GarnerMatt Forte: Chris Brown -X-------- Adrian PetersonKevin Smith: Cedric Cobbs ---X------ Ryan Grant Ray Rice: Ryan Moats --------X- Domanick DavisJacob Hester: Stacey Mack -X-------- Mike AlstottJamaal Charles: Jerious Norwood -X-------- Clinton PortisRyan Torain: Cedric Houston -X-------- Marion Barber IIITashard Choice: Mewelde Moore --X------- Joseph AddaiStewart's NFL impact might be more along the lines of Steven Jackson, but he's built more like Duckett and Lewis. Rice was a hard guy to peg. He has a little bit of Gore, a little bit of Westbrook, and a little bit of Rudi. Domanick Davis seems like a decent approximation.

By all means...fun to see people's thoughts.

 

[Tillmanisahero]

What current/past RB would you compare the following rookies to.Base you comment on talent but you can also consider situation.D. Mcfadden..... example Bush/Norwood? or________________J. StewartF. JonesR. MendenhallC. JohnsonM. ForteK. SmithJ. HesterJ. CharlesR. TorainT. Hightower

I like Matt Waldman's method of using a gradient for his player comparisons. Hopefully he won't mind me borrowing that method here. Darren McFadden: Michael Bennett ----X----- Marcus AllenJonathan Stewart: TJ Duckett -------X-- Jamal LewisFelix Jones: Leon Washington ----X----- Tiki BarberRashard Mendenhall: Cedric Benson -------X-- Edgerrin JamesChris Johnson: Trung Canidate ----X----- Charlie GarnerMatt Forte: Chris Brown -X-------- Adrian PetersonKevin Smith: Cedric Cobbs ---X------ Ryan Grant Ray Rice: Ryan Moats --------X- Domanick DavisJacob Hester: Stacey Mack -X-------- Mike AlstottJamaal Charles: Jerious Norwood -X-------- Clinton PortisRyan Torain: Cedric Houston -X-------- Marion Barber IIITashard Choice: Mewelde Moore --X------- Joseph AddaiStewart's NFL impact might be more along the lines of Steven Jackson, but he's built more like Duckett and Lewis. Rice was a hard guy to peg. He has a little bit of Gore, a little bit of Westbrook, and a little bit of Rudi. Domanick Davis seems like a decent approximation.

Excellent post!

 

[Burning Sensation]

Darren Mcfadden = Eric Dickerson

 

[moleculo]

What current/past RB would you compare the following rookies to.Base you comment on talent but you can also consider situation.D. Mcfadden..... example Bush/Norwood? or________________J. StewartF. JonesR. MendenhallC. JohnsonM. ForteK. SmithJ. HesterJ. CharlesR. TorainT. Hightower

good thread. I heard on Sirius yesterday compare KSmith to CDillon - that make any sense?

 

[Chachi]

Darren Mcfadden = Eric Dickerson

 

[Burning Sensation]

What current/past RB would you compare the following rookies to.Base you comment on talent but you can also consider situation.D. Mcfadden..... example Bush/Norwood? or________________J. StewartF. JonesR. MendenhallC. JohnsonM. ForteK. SmithJ. HesterJ. CharlesR. TorainT. Hightower

good thread. I heard on Sirius yesterday compare KSmith to CDillon - that make any sense?

Might be optomistic, but i can certainly see the similarities in build and running style.

 

[puckalicious]

Jonathan Stewart - Pre-injuries Deuce Mcallister

I like this one. I'd also compare him to Steven Jackson.

So these are all running style comparisons? Because on the surface, I don't see much in common between these guys. Duece is physically closer (but a bit leaner) to Jackson than Stewart is to either of them.Stewart: 5'10" 235# 33.7 BMIJackson: 6'1.5" 231# 30.1 BMIDuece: 6'1" 222# 29.2 BMI(NFL Combine measures)

 

[Kirby]

Slaton - Dunn

 

[Kirby]

Jonathan Stewart - Pre-injuries Deuce Mcallister

I like this one. I'd also compare him to Steven Jackson.

So these are all running style comparisons? Because on the surface, I don't see much in common between these guys. Duece is physically closer (but a bit leaner) to Jackson than Stewart is to either of them.Stewart: 5'10" 235# 33.7 BMIJackson: 6'1.5" 231# 30.1 BMIDuece: 6'1" 222# 29.2 BMI(NFL Combine measures)

I'd bet that Jackson and Stewart are both leaner than Duece... he looks a lot softer.

 

[Tanner9919]

What current/past RB would you compare the following rookies to.Base you comment on talent but you can also consider situation.D. Mcfadden..... example Bush/Norwood? or________________J. StewartF. JonesR. MendenhallC. JohnsonM. ForteK. SmithJ. HesterJ. CharlesR. TorainT. Hightower

McFadden: he reminds me of Eric Dickerson,and he's going to be every bit as special..Stewart reminds me of Jamal Lewis, powerful legs, tackle breaker, incredibly tough to bring down.Torain reminds me of Chris Brown a bit, fast as hell, with much better hands and a stronger body..Ray Rice is a dead-ringer for Tiki Barber and will have an equally impressive NFL career..this guy is a star in the making...

 

[PahtyTom]

Jonathan Stewart - Pre-injuries Deuce Mcallister

I like this one. I'd also compare him to Steven Jackson.

So these are all running style comparisons? Because on the surface, I don't see much in common between these guys. Duece is physically closer (but a bit leaner) to Jackson than Stewart is to either of them.Stewart: 5'10" 235# 33.7 BMIJackson: 6'1.5" 231# 30.1 BMIDuece: 6'1" 222# 29.2 BMI(NFL Combine measures)

Running style and their speed in relation to their weights are very similar.

 

[switz]

Felix Jones - Marshall Faulk

 

[puckalicious]

Jonathan Stewart - Pre-injuries Deuce Mcallister

I like this one. I'd also compare him to Steven Jackson.

So these are all running style comparisons? Because on the surface, I don't see much in common between these guys. Duece is physically closer (but a bit leaner) to Jackson than Stewart is to either of them.Stewart: 5'10" 235# 33.7 BMIJackson: 6'1.5" 231# 30.1 BMIDuece: 6'1" 222# 29.2 BMI(NFL Combine measures)

I'd bet that Jackson and Stewart are both leaner than Duece... he looks a lot softer.

I should have said "lighter", not leaner! My comment was only regarding overall weight, not body fat %.

 

[puckalicious]

Jonathan Stewart - Pre-injuries Deuce Mcallister

I like this one. I'd also compare him to Steven Jackson.

So these are all running style comparisons? Because on the surface, I don't see much in common between these guys. Duece is physically closer (but a bit leaner) to Jackson than Stewart is to either of them.Stewart: 5'10" 235# 33.7 BMIJackson: 6'1.5" 231# 30.1 BMIDuece: 6'1" 222# 29.2 BMI(NFL Combine measures)

Running style and their speed in relation to their weights are very similar.

By this do you mean Stewart has a "injury prone" running style? Maybe I'm only thinking of the negatives and not the positives.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Jonathan Stewart - Pre-injuries Deuce Mcallister

I like this one. I'd also compare him to Steven Jackson.

So these are all running style comparisons? Because on the surface, I don't see much in common between these guys. Duece is physically closer (but a bit leaner) to Jackson than Stewart is to either of them.Stewart: 5'10" 235# 33.7 BMIJackson: 6'1.5" 231# 30.1 BMIDuece: 6'1" 222# 29.2 BMI(NFL Combine measures)

Running style and their speed in relation to their weights are very similar.

By this do you mean Stewart has a "injury prone" running style? Maybe I'm only thinking of the negatives and not the positives.

Maybe in the sense that because they're bigger backs, there's more to hit, but the real similarity is the way they run with great leg drive, momentum, and an innate sense of leverage - running behind their pads - while still having breakaway speed. All three also have great hands and instincts catching the ball.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

D. Mcfadden - Robert Smith (Vikings)J. Stewart - Jerome BettisF. Jones - Eric MetcalfR. Mendenhall - Priest HolmesC. Johnson - Bobby Mitchell/James Brooks (Bengals/Chargers/Bucs)M. Forte - Neal AndersonK. Smith - Earnest BynerJ. Hester - Franco HarrisJ. Charles - Tatum BellR. Torain - ???T. Hightower - ???

Did I go too old school with some of these?

 

[EBF]

Felix Jones - Marshall Faulk

 

[switz]

Felix Jones - Marshall Faulk

Notice the - it was a bit tongue in cheek. However, I am glad that it appears no matter how much I talk up Jones, people on this board seem totally content to let him drop drop drop in drafts, and take Barber high in the first round. (1.05 in a draft last night) Works for me Reminds me of when people were drafting Michael Bennett over LT, or Ricky Williams over Edge. (Not in reference to Barber but in reference to Jones' sliding.)

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

D. Mcfadden - Robert Smith (Vikings)J. Stewart - Jerome BettisF. Jones - Eric MetcalfR. Mendenhall - Priest HolmesC. Johnson - Bobby Mitchell/James Brooks (Bengals/Chargers/Bucs)M. Forte - Neal AndersonK. Smith - Earnest BynerJ. Hester - Franco HarrisJ. Charles - Tatum BellR. Torain - ???T. Hightower - ???

Did I go too old school with some of these?

I wouldnt say that. I do disagree with a few - Smith is more of a slasher, while Byner was a power back, and I see little similarity between Bettis and Stewart other than the fact that they're both big backs who are tough to bring down on first contact. Stewart is a much more fluid athlete with more wiggle and creativity, as opposed to a human battering ram - although Bettis feet are underrated and a subtle but important part of his game.I like Mendenhall-Holmes - I can only imagine what Rashard could have done behind the KC line during their heyday.Jones-Metcalf workes for me too. Charles-Bell is one that has made sense for a while now.Can you explain Hester-Harris and Forte-Anderson a little more before I comment?

 

[Chaos Commish]

What current/past RB would you compare the following rookies to.Base you comment on talent but you can also consider situation.D. Mcfadden..... example Bush/Norwood? or________________J. StewartF. JonesR. MendenhallC. JohnsonM. ForteK. SmithJ. HesterJ. CharlesR. TorainT. Hightower

I like Matt Waldman's method of using a gradient for his player comparisons. Hopefully he won't mind me borrowing that method here. Darren McFadden: Michael Bennett ----X----- Marcus AllenJonathan Stewart: TJ Duckett -------X-- Jamal LewisFelix Jones: Leon Washington ----X----- Tiki BarberRashard Mendenhall: Cedric Benson -------X-- Edgerrin JamesChris Johnson: Trung Canidate ----X----- Charlie GarnerMatt Forte: Chris Brown -X-------- Adrian PetersonKevin Smith: Cedric Cobbs ---X------ Ryan Grant Ray Rice: Ryan Moats --------X- Domanick DavisJacob Hester: Stacey Mack -X-------- Mike AlstottJamaal Charles: Jerious Norwood -X-------- Clinton PortisRyan Torain: Cedric Houston -X-------- Marion Barber IIITashard Choice: Mewelde Moore --X------- Joseph AddaiStewart's NFL impact might be more along the lines of Steven Jackson, but he's built more like Duckett and Lewis. Rice was a hard guy to peg. He has a little bit of Gore, a little bit of Westbrook, and a little bit of Rudi. Domanick Davis seems like a decent approximation.

Your opinions are terrible but I love Matt's system. Darren McFadden: OJ Simpson --X------- Robert SmithJonathan Stewart: TJ Duckett -------X-- Fred TaylorFelix Jones: Tatum Bell --X------- Tiki BarberRashard Mendenhall: Thomas Jones -------X-- Ahman GreenChris Johnson: Reggie Bush --X------- Napolean KaufmanMcFadden is going to prove the masses wrong. This guy gets no love. I have major doubts about Felix and chuckled to see Andy comps with him and Mendenhall considering he thought Felix was the right draft pick.Mendenhall is going to be good. I'm excited to see Chris Johnson more than any other back. I get all the low expectations, but I also get all the high ones. I think he's going to be as good or better than Reggie, seriously. I have low confidence in that opinion, but when I focus on his game, I get pretty excited. I like saying Reggie is a poor man's CJ. Micheal Bennett may be the better downside compare, but I loved Nap and think Johnson can be at least that kind of playmaker. Matt Forte: Shaun Alexander ----X----- Reuben DroughnsKevin Smith: Chris Brown ---X------ Cedrick BensonRay Rice: Brian Westbrook -----X---- Domanick DavisI have a hard time pinning any of these guys to a past player. I'll just repeat my mantra from last December. These are good backs coming into the NFL this year. As a group I think they'll perform quite a bit above expectations. Jacob Hester: Stacey Mack -X-------- Mike AlstottJamaal Charles: Jerious Norwood -X-------- Clinton PortisRyan Torain: Cedric Houston -X-------- Marion Barber IIITashard Choice: Mewelde Moore --X------- Joseph AddaiI didn't change the last four. I agree with the Charles comps, but I like Norwood and Charles a lot more than you do, I think. Hester has some old fading Eddie George in his young legs and straight ahead style. Torain I just never had a handle on, so I won't comment. I see almost no similarities in Mewelde and Choice though. Mewelde is a talented receiver with nice lateral game and pretty good acceleration. He's a duck and dodge kind of back. Mewelde is also small and lacks a rugged quality that has hurt him in the NFL. He was awesome at Tulane. Choice really thumps. He's not that tricky and he doesn't have the hands, but he's real rugged and his style is more of a featured RB than a change of pace like Moore. Anyway, that's the only one that really looked off to me.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

D. Mcfadden - Robert Smith (Vikings)J. Stewart - Jerome BettisF. Jones - Eric MetcalfR. Mendenhall - Priest HolmesC. Johnson - Bobby Mitchell/James Brooks (Bengals/Chargers/Bucs)M. Forte - Neal AndersonK. Smith - Earnest BynerJ. Hester - Franco HarrisJ. Charles - Tatum BellR. Torain - ???T. Hightower - ???

Did I go too old school with some of these?

I wouldnt say that. I do disagree with a few - Smith is more of a slasher, while Byner was a power back, and I see little similarity between Bettis and Stewart other than the fact that they're both big backs who are tough to bring down on first contact. Stewart is a much more fluid athlete with more wiggle and creativity, as opposed to a human battering ram - although Bettis feet are underrated and a subtle but important part of his game.

I remember Byner being more than just a power back. Maybe I remember wrong. WOuld an O.J. Anderson comparison be better?Thinking about it more, I don't like the Bettis/Stewart comparison either.

I like Mendenhall-Holmes - I can only imagine what Rashard could have done behind the KC line during their heyday.Jones-Metcalf workes for me too. Charles-Bell is one that has made sense for a while now.

These are the guys I've seen play most which is probably why I was a bit more accurate.

Can you explain Hester-Harris and Forte-Anderson a little more before I comment?

I think Hester is a strong, multi purpose guy like Harris was.Neal Anderson wasn't a flashy player, but he was effective for all three downs. I think Forte can be the same type of guy, one that doesn't do anything exceedingly well but is a solid package when taken as a whole.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I have rarely seen Kevin Smith just put his shoulder down and try to win a collision, so I don't know if Anderson addresses my issue any more than Byner. Byner was not one-dimensional, but I remember his physicality being a big part of his game, Smith's game seems to be based on moves and burst more than efficiency and getting yards after contact.

Hester-Harris and Forte-Anderson make more sense now. I would also compare Hester to a guy like Tom Rathman. Forte's tougher because he's so big. There are a lot of guys who have the same good but not great all around game, but few of them are as big as Forte. He's almost like Chester Taylor in Eddie George's body - btw I would also compare Torain to George - at least in terms of running style.

 

[EBF]

What current/past RB would you compare the following rookies to.Base you comment on talent but you can also consider situation.D. Mcfadden..... example Bush/Norwood? or________________J. StewartF. JonesR. MendenhallC. JohnsonM. ForteK. SmithJ. HesterJ. CharlesR. TorainT. Hightower

I like Matt Waldman's method of using a gradient for his player comparisons. Hopefully he won't mind me borrowing that method here. Darren McFadden: Michael Bennett ----X----- Marcus AllenJonathan Stewart: TJ Duckett -------X-- Jamal LewisFelix Jones: Leon Washington ----X----- Tiki BarberRashard Mendenhall: Cedric Benson -------X-- Edgerrin JamesChris Johnson: Trung Canidate ----X----- Charlie GarnerMatt Forte: Chris Brown -X-------- Adrian PetersonKevin Smith: Cedric Cobbs ---X------ Ryan Grant Ray Rice: Ryan Moats --------X- Domanick DavisJacob Hester: Stacey Mack -X-------- Mike AlstottJamaal Charles: Jerious Norwood -X-------- Clinton PortisRyan Torain: Cedric Houston -X-------- Marion Barber IIITashard Choice: Mewelde Moore --X------- Joseph AddaiStewart's NFL impact might be more along the lines of Steven Jackson, but he's built more like Duckett and Lewis. Rice was a hard guy to peg. He has a little bit of Gore, a little bit of Westbrook, and a little bit of Rudi. Domanick Davis seems like a decent approximation.

Your opinions are terrible but I love Matt's system. Darren McFadden: OJ Simpson --X------- Robert SmithJonathan Stewart: TJ Duckett -------X-- Fred TaylorFelix Jones: Tatum Bell --X------- Tiki BarberRashard Mendenhall: Thomas Jones -------X-- Ahman GreenChris Johnson: Reggie Bush --X------- Napolean KaufmanMcFadden is going to prove the masses wrong. This guy gets no love. I have major doubts about Felix and chuckled to see Andy comps with him and Mendenhall considering he thought Felix was the right draft pick.Mendenhall is going to be good. I'm excited to see Chris Johnson more than any other back. I get all the low expectations, but I also get all the high ones. I think he's going to be as good or better than Reggie, seriously. I have low confidence in that opinion, but when I focus on his game, I get pretty excited. I like saying Reggie is a poor man's CJ. Micheal Bennett may be the better downside compare, but I loved Nap and think Johnson can be at least that kind of playmaker. Matt Forte: Shaun Alexander ----X----- Reuben DroughnsKevin Smith: Chris Brown ---X------ Cedrick BensonRay Rice: Brian Westbrook -----X---- Domanick DavisI have a hard time pinning any of these guys to a past player. I'll just repeat my mantra from last December. These are good backs coming into the NFL this year. As a group I think they'll perform quite a bit above expectations. Jacob Hester: Stacey Mack -X-------- Mike AlstottJamaal Charles: Jerious Norwood -X-------- Clinton PortisRyan Torain: Cedric Houston -X-------- Marion Barber IIITashard Choice: Mewelde Moore --X------- Joseph AddaiI didn't change the last four. I agree with the Charles comps, but I like Norwood and Charles a lot more than you do, I think. Hester has some old fading Eddie George in his young legs and straight ahead style. Torain I just never had a handle on, so I won't comment. I see almost no similarities in Mewelde and Choice though. Mewelde is a talented receiver with nice lateral game and pretty good acceleration. He's a duck and dodge kind of back. Mewelde is also small and lacks a rugged quality that has hurt him in the NFL. He was awesome at Tulane. Choice really thumps. He's not that tricky and he doesn't have the hands, but he's real rugged and his style is more of a featured RB than a change of pace like Moore. Anyway, that's the only one that really looked off to me.

Part of the problem with doing these things is that there isn't always a great comparison available. Jamal Lewis really isn't that similar to Jonathan Stewart, but then again neither are the other backs I often see him compared to. I picked Lewis because he's a successful bigger back with a similar pedigree. I understand the urge to be optimistic about these guys, but you have to keep the odds in mind. History says that roughly 25-40% of first round RBs will flop for one reason or another. McFadden and Johnson are the obvious candidates this year since they don't physically fit the mold of what's successful in the NFL today. I actually like Jamaal Charles, I just think there's zero chance of him being a 250+ carry back in the NFL. That's basically my attitude towards Norwood as well. Those change of pace backs who get 600-700 rushing yards aren't very useful in FF. The Choice/Mewelde comparison was more about game impact than running style. Mewelde is a slightly above average back who can perform when necessary. That's how I also see Choice. I agree that he's more of a bruiser in terms of running style, but he's pretty versatile.

 

[Wildman]

I think Stewart fits very well in the LT-Ricky Williams mold of backs. Bigger than average, quicker than average, and still capable of running you over. Both are good receivers, too. That's what I see from Stewart. Jamal Lewis runs with a much stiffer upper body than either LT or Williams. I'd say Jamal Lewis is on the high end of a spectrum of a runner in the style of Keith Byars.

 

[Wildman]

From Commish: "McFadden is going to prove the masses wrong. This guy gets no love. wink1.gif"

Certainly getting love from the Raiders so far in camp...everything you've said about his work ethic, the Raiders are praising.

It was interesting to me that an LB ran stride for stride with McFadden to intercept a pass in camp. At the same time, I would have to believe McFadden was waiting on the ball a bit more than the description implies.

 

[gregjcross]

Ray Rice - Maurice Jones Drew

I don't think Ray Rice is in the same league as MJD as far as physical talent goes.Jonathan Stewart - Pre-injuries Deuce Mcallister

Not in the same league? They practically mirror each other

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I have rarely seen Kevin Smith just put his shoulder down and try to win a collision, so I don't know if Anderson addresses my issue any more than Byner. Byner was not one-dimensional, but I remember his physicality being a big part of his game, Smith's game seems to be based on moves and burst more than efficiency and getting yards after contact.

Okay. One more try.... Billy Sims?

Hester-Harris and Forte-Anderson make more sense now. I would also compare Hester to a guy like Tom Rathman.

Owen Schmitt is the guy that reminds me of Rathman.

 

[EBF]

Ray Rice - Maurice Jones Drew

I don't think Ray Rice is in the same league as MJD as far as physical talent goes.Jonathan Stewart - Pre-injuries Deuce Mcallister

Not in the same league? They practically mirror each other

MJD is faster and more of a home run threat. Otherwise it's not a bad comparison.Rice reminds me of a lot of successful backs, but he's not a mirror image of any of them.

 

[T Bell]

Darren Mcfadden = Eric Dickerson

This gets lost due to all the clips of Dickerson streaking upright around the edge like a thoroughbred (something that McFadden certainly can resemble), but Dickerson was also a powerful guy who wasn't easy to bring down with arm tackles. I haven't seen that aspect of McFadden, even from his college footage. He needs to earn that comparison.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

From Commish: "McFadden is going to prove the masses wrong. This guy gets no love. wink1.gif"Certainly getting love from the Raiders so far in camp...everything you've said about his work ethic, the Raiders are praising. It was interesting to me that an LB ran stride for stride with McFadden to intercept a pass in camp. At the same time, I would have to believe McFadden was waiting on the ball a bit more than the description implies.

[hijack]That LB was Thomas Howard, though, who is probably one of the 10-15 best pure athletes at LB in the NFLHoward's combine:Ht 6'3 1/4" Wt 23940: 4.42Vert: 39"Broad 10'04"short shuttle: 4.293 cone: 6.98Arguably as impressive as Hawk.back to your regularly scheduled programming[/hijack]

 

[EBF]

Peterson is like Dickerson. That's the guy they used to compare him to when he was a HS legend in TX. Steven Jackson also reminds me a bit of Dickerson.

I don't think the comparison to McFadden holds up. McFadden is neither shifty nor powerful.

 

[T Bell]

I think Stewart fits very well in the LT-Ricky Williams mold of backs. Bigger than average, quicker than average, and still capable of running you over. Both are good receivers, too. That's what I see from Stewart. Jamal Lewis runs with a much stiffer upper body than either LT or Williams. I'd say Jamal Lewis is on the high end of a spectrum of a runner in the style of Keith Byars.

Jamal Lewis is a modern John Riggins, another bull whose speed also tended to get underestimated (Riggins ran track at Kansas). Stewart has the potential to be a more complete back than those two because of his receiving skills, but I'm not sure he'd measure up as a power runner to those two.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Peterson is like Dickerson. That's the guy they used to compare him to when he was a HS legend in TX. Steven Jackson also reminds me a bit of Dickerson.

I don't think the comparison to McFadden holds up. McFadden is neither shifty nor powerful.

Those were not Dickersons strengths either. ED was a skinny legged long strider who hit the holes hard and glided past defenders.

 

[switz]

I like Mendenhall-Holmes - I can only imagine what Rashard could have done behind the KC line during their heyday.

Really? I don't see it. I like Mendenhall, but to liken him to Holmes is to set some big shoes for him to fill. He's a lesser back than Holmes I think.

Jones-Metcalf workes for me too.

I was tongue in cheek when I compared him to Faulk, but Metcalf is just ridiculous. Jones can actually run between the tackles, he is NOT small, and he's more than a KR. I see Felix is going to be the next Addai on these boards. One prominent voice dislikes him, and the rest follow. He was multiple times All American. The kid can flat out play.

Charles-Bell is one that has made sense for a while now.

M'eh - maybe. I think Charles is more like Metcalf than Bell.

 

[T Bell]

Peterson is like Dickerson. That's the guy they used to compare him to when he was a HS legend in TX. Steven Jackson also reminds me a bit of Dickerson.

I don't think the comparison to McFadden holds up. McFadden is neither shifty nor powerful.

Those were not Dickersons strengths either. ED was a skinny legged long strider who hit the holes hard and glided past defenders.

I totally disagree like I said above. It's not what he was famous for, but Dickerson was also a powerful runner who could break tackles. The guy was 6-3, 220 lbs, back at a time when 300 lb. linemen were a rarity. He was a big back.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Peterson is like Dickerson. That's the guy they used to compare him to when he was a HS legend in TX. Steven Jackson also reminds me a bit of Dickerson.

I don't think the comparison to McFadden holds up. McFadden is neither shifty nor powerful.

Those were not Dickersons strengths either. ED was a skinny legged long strider who hit the holes hard and glided past defenders.

The exact description applied to Robert Smith, who McFadden is exactly like.Too bad Smith didn't play a couple more seasons or that would be higher praise than most think it is. I liked Smith a lot.

 

[switz]

Ray Rice - Maurice Jones Drew

I don't think Ray Rice is in the same league as MJD as far as physical talent goes.Jonathan Stewart - Pre-injuries Deuce Mcallister

Not in the same league? They practically mirror each other

MJD is faster and more of a home run threat. Otherwise it's not a bad comparison.Rice reminds me of a lot of successful backs, but he's not a mirror image of any of them.

Rice = Errict Rhett

 

[EBF]

Peterson is like Dickerson. That's the guy they used to compare him to when he was a HS legend in TX. Steven Jackson also reminds me a bit of Dickerson.

I don't think the comparison to McFadden holds up. McFadden is neither shifty nor powerful.

Those were not Dickersons strengths either. ED was a skinny legged long strider who hit the holes hard and glided past defenders.

I don't buy it. Dickerson may have been tall, but he had a strong base and was elusive when he had to be. I don't see anything that reminds me of McFadden here:
I see a lot more of Ahman Green/Steven Jackson/Adrian Peterson in those clips.

 

[T Bell]

Peterson is like Dickerson. That's the guy they used to compare him to when he was a HS legend in TX. Steven Jackson also reminds me a bit of Dickerson.

I don't think the comparison to McFadden holds up. McFadden is neither shifty nor powerful.

Those were not Dickersons strengths either. ED was a skinny legged long strider who hit the holes hard and glided past defenders.

I don't buy it. Dickerson may have been tall, but he had a strong base and was elusive when he had to be. I don't see anything that reminds me of McFadden here:

If anything Peterson is more powerful than Dickerson was, but possesses all of his speed and instincts, which is frightening.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Really? I don't see it. I like Mendenhall, but to liken him to Holmes is to set some big shoes for him to fill. He's a lesser back than Holmes I think.

I think Holmes benefitted a LOT from the line he ran behind. They definitely appear to have similar skills to me.

I was tongue in cheek when I compared him to Faulk, but Metcalf is just ridiculous. Jones can actually run between the tackles, he is NOT small, and he's more than a KR. I see Felix is going to be the next Addai on these boards. One prominent voice dislikes him, and the rest follow. He was multiple times All American. The kid can flat out play.

I think Jones is going to be used in a similar fashion to Metcalf. I'm thinking particularly of Metcalf's Cleveland years., not his post-Browns workload.I LIKE Metcalf and I like Jones too.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Peterson is like Dickerson. That's the guy they used to compare him to when he was a HS legend in TX. Steven Jackson also reminds me a bit of Dickerson.

I don't think the comparison to McFadden holds up. McFadden is neither shifty nor powerful.

Those were not Dickersons strengths either. ED was a skinny legged long strider who hit the holes hard and glided past defenders.

I totally disagree like I said above. It's not what he was famous for, but Dickerson was also a powerful runner who could break tackles. The guy was 6-3, 220 lbs, back at a time when 300 lb. linemen were a rarity. He was a big back.

Dickerson made his career by running past defenders, not through them. You also wont find many highlights of "sick jukes" from ED like you saw AD do multiple times last year.