Rookie TE value in dynasty (1 Viewer)

[GregR_2]

I find myself in a quandry about some of the rookie TEs. Vernon Davis is pretty easy to slot into dynasty drafts, but the other guys are quite a mix.

I'll also add that I'm looking at leagues where TEs are as valuable as other positions whether from starting 2-3 each week, or scoring systems that favor them over WR, or both. So the 36th best TE in the league and beyond does play a role in these leagues.

Have any homers heard any input on the following guys, as to how they may be used, how likely they are to start, etc?

Byrd & Kopfenstein (Rams)

Marcedes Lewis (Jags)

Pope (Arizona)

Scheffler (Denver)

Fasano (Dallas)

I'm thinking Fasano is probably going to be mired behind Witten anyway. Scheffler I really don't know how he'll fit in to their offense this year. Pope I'm guessing could end up starting, and possibly Lewis as well. The Rams... given how Minny has used TEs and H-backs in the past, not sure what role Linehan sees for those two.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

I find myself in a quandry about some of the rookie TEs. Vernon Davis is pretty easy to slot into dynasty drafts, but the other guys are quite a mix.

I'll also add that I'm looking at leagues where TEs are as valuable as other positions whether from starting 2-3 each week, or scoring systems that favor them over WR, or both. So the 36th best TE in the league and beyond does play a role in these leagues.

Have any homers heard any input on the following guys, as to how they may be used, how likely they are to start, etc?

Byrd & Kopfenstein (Rams)

Marcedes Lewis (Jags)

Pope (Arizona)

Scheffler (Denver)

Fasano (Dallas)

I'm thinking Fasano is probably going to be mired behind Witten anyway. Scheffler I really don't know how he'll fit in to their offense this year. Pope I'm guessing could end up starting, and possibly Lewis as well. The Rams... given how Minny has used TEs and H-backs in the past, not sure what role Linehan sees for those two.

I just drafted Fasano at 3.13 in a 14 team league. I initially ignored him, but I am pretty sure that Witten is an UFA after this year. Rookie TE's generally do little, so if Witten moves on, he could be in a good spot. I think people are being short sighted ignoring a TE that Parcells drafts in round two and who spent a year with Weis.

 

[Weiner Dog]

I started a link on this topic a few days ago...

link:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...64&hl=scheffler

Bloom and Pick did a great job, especially with addressing Scheffler. As I researched Scheffler more, it sure sounds like this guy has mad upside. His 40 time at the combine was trumped by only Vernon Davis. Also, he had the best 20-yard shuffle and 3-cone drill of the TE's. Most importantly, it sounds like he has some amazing hands.

Now the bad part...

He's weak for his size. His block is subpar and he only had 16 reps at the combine. For fantasy purposes, I would much rather have a TE with blocking as his main deficiency, as opposed to receiving and/or athletic ability.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

He's weak for his size. His block is subpar and he only had 16 reps at the combine. For fantasy purposes, I would much rather have a TE with blocking as his main deficiency, as opposed to receiving and/or athletic ability.

I don't think the Broncos drafted him for his blocking.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

He's weak for his size.  His block is subpar and he only had 16 reps at the combine.  For fantasy purposes, I would much rather have a TE with blocking as his main deficiency, as opposed to receiving and/or athletic ability.

I don't think the Broncos drafted him for his blocking.

No, but it isn't as if Shanny does a great job drafting receivers or TE's. Shannon Sharpe walked through those doors a long time ago. If Scheffler can't be physical enough, he won't play- no matter what his timed numbers are.PS- On the blogget it was mentioned that Brandon Marshall may see time at TE or H-Back in the full mini-camp.

 

[EBF]

I think Lewis is a nice bargain in both rookie drafts and initial drafts. Last year at UCLA, he had 58 catches for 741 yards and 10 TDs in only 12 games. If you stretch that out to a 16 game season, it's 77 catches for 988 yards and 13 TDs. I know it's only college, but those are some monster numbers for a TE.

A lot of people compare Vernon Davis to Antonio Gates, but if you actually look at playing style then I think you'll find that Lewis is more similar to Gates. He has a similar ability to outmuscle defenders and win the jump ball in the red zone like a power forward. I don't think he's a lock for Gates-like success, but he could be another Todd Heap. That makes him a nice value at his affordable cost.

I think there's a fairly big dropoff after Lewis. Klopfenstein is a solid all-around talent, but he's hardly exciting. The same goes for Scheffler. Both should become quality starters at the pro level, but I don't expect either player to become a standout.

I'm not a big Pope fan. I don't see him ever becoming a consistent starter. He's huge and he's fast in a straight line, but he lacks lateral mobility and resembles a giant tree trying to play football. I think he'll be a good red zone threat, but I don't see stardom in his future.

Fasano seems pretty mediocre.

I like Byrd. He's not a great athlete, but he consistently makes exceptional plays. I wouldn't be entirely surprised to see him become a better FF player than Klopfenstein. I view him as an eventual fringe FF starter/quality FF backup.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

I see Lewis as a semi value, although higher now that Smith has retired. He is going in the 12-15 spots in most draft I have seen, which is a pretty typical spot for a very good TE- Heath Miller, Ben Watson, Ben Troupe. I think that with the wr's coming out next year, you will be able to get a similiar prospect right about the same spot.

 

[Imedos]

I find myself in a quandry about some of the rookie TEs. Vernon Davis is pretty easy to slot into dynasty drafts, but the other guys are quite a mix.

I'll also add that I'm looking at leagues where TEs are as valuable as other positions whether from starting 2-3 each week, or scoring systems that favor them over WR, or both. So the 36th best TE in the league and beyond does play a role in these leagues.

Have any homers heard any input on the following guys, as to how they may be used, how likely they are to start, etc?

Byrd & Kopfenstein (Rams)

Marcedes Lewis (Jags)

Pope (Arizona)

Scheffler (Denver)

Fasano (Dallas)

I'm thinking Fasano is probably going to be mired behind Witten anyway. Scheffler I really don't know how he'll fit in to their offense this year. Pope I'm guessing could end up starting, and possibly Lewis as well. The Rams... given how Minny has used TEs and H-backs in the past, not sure what role Linehan sees for those two.

I just drafted Fasano at 3.13 in a 14 team league. I initially ignored him, but I am pretty sure that Witten is an UFA after this year. Rookie TE's generally do little, so if Witten moves on, he could be in a good spot. I think people are being short sighted ignoring a TE that Parcells drafts in round two and who spent a year with Weis.

barring injury to Witten, you can forget about Fasano being a huge part of the passing game. Witten is a UFA next season, but Dallas will do whatever it takes to keep him.Fasano will be more of a blocker and a short route dump off guy mostly. Witten will be getting all the intermediate routes.

 

[GregR_2]

I agree with that assessment about Fasano. I think Dallas will keep Witten unless there is some sort of falling out. I also think Dallas might make a good playoff run this year with TO, which is another reason he'll come back.

As an ND homer I'd love to see Fasano succeed, but I think he's going to remain buried behind Witten.

 

[Imedos]

I think Lewis is a nice bargain in both rookie drafts and initial drafts. Last year at UCLA, he had 58 catches for 741 yards and 10 TDs in only 12 games. If you stretch that out to a 16 game season, it's 77 catches for 988 yards and 13 TDs. I know it's only college, but those are some monster numbers for a TE.

A lot of people compare Vernon Davis to Antonio Gates, but if you actually look at playing style then I think you'll find that Lewis is more similar to Gates. He has a similar ability to outmuscle defenders and win the jump ball in the red zone like a power forward. I don't think he's a lock for Gates-like success, but he could be another Todd Heap. That makes him a nice value at his affordable cost.

I think there's a fairly big dropoff after Lewis. Klopfenstein is a solid all-around talent, but he's hardly exciting. The same goes for Scheffler. Both should become quality starters at the pro level, but I don't expect either player to become a standout.

I'm not a big Pope fan. I don't see him ever becoming a consistent starter. He's huge and he's fast in a straight line, but he lacks lateral mobility and resembles a giant tree trying to play football. I think he'll be a good red zone threat, but I don't see stardom in his future.

Fasano seems pretty mediocre.

I like Byrd. He's not a great athlete, but he consistently makes exceptional plays. I wouldn't be entirely surprised to see him become a better FF player than Klopfenstein. I view him as an eventual fringe FF starter/quality FF backup.

EBF, are you not concerned about his speed at all?I know speed isn't what makes a TE good, or even elite, but dang, when I saw clips of Lewis he looked sloooooow.

It also looks like he needs to bulk up some, but big deal. His height and recieving skills are nice though.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

If Dallas was looking for a receiving threat opposite Witten that could possibly replace him if he walked in free agency, they would not have taken Fasano, they would have gone with a more talented pass catcher (rather than a good 2 way guy like Fasano). Just because a TE goes early in the draft does not necessarily make him a good fantasy prospect. Anthony Becht was a first round pick.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

barring injury to Witten, you can forget about Fasano being a huge part of the passing game. Witten is a UFA next season, but Dallas will do whatever it takes to keep him.

Fasano will be more of a blocker and a short route dump off guy mostly. Witten will be getting all the intermediate routes.

I think you are too quick to assume he will resign. Players leave all the time as UFA's. It is possible he will be franchised, however, Gonzo, Gates, Heap, Winslow and Vernon Davis will all have pretty large contracts to set the standard. He will be pursued heavily and don't forget that it was Witten who elected to terminate the final year of his contract. I think he goes to the highest bidder.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

If Dallas was looking for a receiving threat opposite Witten that could possibly replace him if he walked in free agency, they would not have taken Fasano, they would have gone with a more talented pass catcher (rather than a good 2 way guy like Fasano). Just because a TE goes early in the draft does not necessarily make him a good fantasy prospect. Anthony Becht was a first round pick.

Bloom, I respect your opinion, but I just think you are wrong on this one. You often bring up Becht with Fasano. They have a similiar complexion, but that is all I see. Becht often fails to mentally show up and has poor hands. Simply put, Becht is a bust. Busts happen all the time at every position. I think that Fasano has underrated quickness for the TE position (good three cone time), played for a fundamental task master in Weis, and will be good enough all around to stay on the field. In December/January, Weis was quoted along the lines of saying that he had seen a lot of TE"s and few could block, catch, run after the catch and compete like Fasano. I could be wrong, but I really don't mind burning a pick after 40 on him. I can't understand why many simply assume Witten will stay. Few young players love Parcells, Dallas hasn't won anything, and I see him having a smaller role this year than last year with the addition of Owens (which was smaller than 04).

Edit to not spell like a complete moron.

 

[EBF]

I think Lewis is a nice bargain in both rookie drafts and initial drafts. Last year at UCLA, he had 58 catches for 741 yards and 10 TDs in only 12 games. If you stretch that out to a 16 game season, it's 77 catches for 988 yards and 13 TDs. I know it's only college, but those are some monster numbers for a TE.

A lot of people compare Vernon Davis to Antonio Gates, but if you actually look at playing style then I think you'll find that Lewis is more similar to Gates. He has a similar ability to outmuscle defenders and win the jump ball in the red zone like a power forward. I don't think he's a lock for Gates-like success, but he could be another Todd Heap. That makes him a nice value at his affordable cost.

I think there's a fairly big dropoff after Lewis. Klopfenstein is a solid all-around talent, but he's hardly exciting. The same goes for Scheffler. Both should become quality starters at the pro level, but I don't expect either player to become a standout.

I'm not a big Pope fan. I don't see him ever becoming a consistent starter. He's huge and he's fast in a straight line, but he lacks lateral mobility and resembles a giant tree trying to play football. I think he'll be a good red zone threat, but I don't see stardom in his future.

Fasano seems pretty mediocre.

I like Byrd. He's not a great athlete, but he consistently makes exceptional plays. I wouldn't be entirely surprised to see him become a better FF player than Klopfenstein. I view him as an eventual fringe FF starter/quality FF backup.

EBF, are you not concerned about his speed at all?I know speed isn't what makes a TE good, or even elite, but dang, when I saw clips of Lewis he looked sloooooow.

It also looks like he needs to bulk up some, but big deal. His height and recieving skills are nice though.

He's not a speed demon, but 4.8 is okay for the position. Keep in mind that he's over 6'6", has a 37 inch vertical, and has proven himself at every level. He's going to be fine in the NFL.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

If Dallas was looking for a receiving threat opposite Witten that could possibly replace him if he walked in free agency, they would not have taken Fasano, they would have gone with a more talented pass catcher (rather than a good 2 way guy like Fasano). Just because a TE goes early in the draft does not necessarily make him a good fantasy prospect. Anthony Becht was a first round pick.

Bloom, I respect your opinion, but I just think you are wrong on this one. You often bring up Becht with Fasano. They have a similiar complection, but that is all I see. Becht often fails to mentally show up and has poor hands. Simply put, Becht is a bust. Busts happen all the time at every position. I think that Fasano has underrated quickness for the TE position (good three cone time), played for a fundamental task master in Weis, and will be good enough all around to stay on the field. In December/January, Weis was quoted along the lines of saying that he had seen a lot of TE"s and few could block, catch, run after the catch and compete like Fasano. I could be wrong, but I really don't mind burning a pick after 40 on him. I can't understand why many simply assume Witten will stay. Few young players love Parcells, Dallas hasn't won anything, and I see him having a smaller role this year than last year with the addition of Owens (which was smaller than 04).

Touche, its harsh of me to equate Fasano to Becht, Fasano could easily be a much better player. But I still see him as a modest contributor in the passing game at best.

 

[Imedos]

barring injury to Witten, you can forget about Fasano being a huge part of the passing game. Witten is a UFA next season, but Dallas will do whatever it takes to keep him.

Fasano will be more of a blocker and a short route dump off guy mostly. Witten will be getting all the intermediate routes.

I think you are too quick to assume he will resign. Players leave all the time as UFA's. It is possible he will be franchised, however, Gonzo, Gates, Heap, Winslow and Vernon Davis will all have pretty large contracts to set the standard. He will be pursued heavily and don't forget that it was Witten who elected to terminate the final year of his contract. I think he goes to the highest bidder.

I don't think I'm wrong in making that assumption at all. Witten figures into their plans heavily and they have cap space alotted to re-sign him when the time comes, same goes for Roy. They will do what it takes to keep the players they want happy, just look at Glenn. They really had no incentive to give him another payday but they did it anyway.Terminating the contract is just a smart business move. It means he gets his bigger payday sooner, and it will be with Dallas.

Few young players love Parcells

no real basis for this at all and there is nothing to indicate that he has any anomosity for Bill.

Dallas hasn't won anything

so I guess he's going to the Steelers then.

and I see him having a smaller role this year than last year with the addition of Owens (which was smaller than 04).

Actually, TO will open up the offense imo. TO will get the double teams, Glenn will stretch the d, and Witten will get his intermediate routes. We'll see. And Witten's role last year wasn't smaller, he was still vital to the team. It's just that when Flozell went down, the TE was required to block a whole lot more than they wanted.Witten was excited on draft day with the Fasano selection. He know what's in store with the 2 TE set. Don't be surprised to see Dallas get the TE fetish that NE has now. No more fb, and much more versatility with the playcalling.

I'm not saying Fasano wont be a good TE. It's just that the role he is going to be asked to play isn't going to be racking in the fantasy stats. It's akin to having an lb at slb in idp leagues. Decent emergency or bye week filler, but not really a good starter.

 

[Football Jones]

Other than Vernon Davis, Tony Scheffler has the most upside, IMO (well above the others). I believe Marcedes Lewis has a fair chance of busting, & I'm not big on the fantasy prospects of Joe Klopfenstein & Anthony Fasano (although, both could be solid real-world TEs). I kinda like Leonard Pope & I think Dominique Byrd could be a decent producer.

This TE class is stupid deep (about 10 quality propects). Several of them were hurt by their destination, though.

 

[Biabreakable]

What about Owen Daniels the Te drafted by Houston? I don't know much about this guy but I don't see much compitition for him and Kubiak has run a Te friendly offense before.

 

[zamboni]

Just because a TE goes early in the draft does not necessarily make him a good fantasy prospect.

I agree with this. Sometimes we need to remember to separate fantasy from real NFL. Fasano was likely a 2nd rounder since Parcells views him as a solid football player that can help win games - that's all he cares about. If he winds up catching 50+ balls, then it's probably gravy.

 

[Chaos Commish]

What about Owen Daniels the Te drafted by Houston? I don't know much about this guy but I don't see much compitition for him and Kubiak has run a Te friendly offense before.

He's a solid player. Decent speed, great hands, tough blocker, smart. He's a converted QB and he's been schooled in Wisconsin's zone scheme, very similar to what Houston will be doing. Jeb Putzier will start though.

 

[P Boy]

What about Owen Daniels the Te drafted by Houston? I don't know much about this guy but I don't see much compitition for him and Kubiak has run a Te friendly offense before.

He's a solid player. Decent speed, great hands, tough blocker, smart. He's a converted QB and he's been schooled in Wisconsin's zone scheme, very similar to what Houston will be doing. Jeb Putzier will start though.

Williams is not a flashy player at all, but he always manages to find an open spot near the chains or in the end zone, and his hands are top notch. He'll have to deal with Putzier in HOU though, and I don't see him displacing Putzier much in his rookie year.

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As far as Klopfenstein is concerned, he is hardly an "average" TE. The guy is big, strong, and can turn in some seriously big plays. He's one of those guys you watch with glee after he catches the ball and flattens an overmatched saftey on his way down field, or you watch run and think how lumbering & awkward he looks until he is 40 yds downfield before someone catches him, and you wonder how he got that far before someone caught up to him. He makes one handed catches and shields with his very large body very well. The guy is also an outstanding blocker & strong as an ox.

Klopfenstein is well suited for the pro game. I've seen both he & Byrd play more than a bit, and I'd take Klopfenstein every day & twice on Sunday over Byrd.

 

[Toads]

I started a link on this topic a few days ago...

link:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...64&hl=scheffler

Bloom and Pick did a great job, especially with addressing Scheffler. As I researched Scheffler more, it sure sounds like this guy has mad upside. His 40 time at the combine was trumped by only Vernon Davis. Also, he had the best 20-yard shuffle and 3-cone drill of the TE's. Most importantly, it sounds like he has some amazing hands.

Now the bad part...

He's weak for his size. His block is subpar and he only had 16 reps at the combine. For fantasy purposes, I would much rather have a TE with blocking as his main deficiency, as opposed to receiving and/or athletic ability.

It's not easy accumulating information on Schef , the NFL Draft Scout profile being by far and away the best source. The one thing that stood out to me when the "in between the lines" were read was that he had a weak lower body and had spent his first off-season lifting weights this past summer.

That's relevant because he's not been the workout warrior type. I guarantee you that the regimen that the Bronc's follow for lower body development is second to none in the NFL....the strength Coach is legendary for developing a one man torcher sled that the players hate with a passion.

Add that to his upside and figure that the Broncos look to get better in the red zone by creating mis-matches. Sharpe was at his best in speed routes....flag routes from the 22-17 yard line. He just beat his man to the corner, he was both quicker and faster....no problem.

This guy has that kind of ability.

In certain types of dynasty play, say Zealots MAX Leagues, Rookie TE's are king.... if they pan out that is. In this type of play, three are protected on each roster and there is a five round "raiding" that culminates in everyone trading top tight ends, the ones that aren't protected (which is all but Gates). So, a good rookie TE is worth more in this type of Dynasty play....he isn't protected and he stays because he is right below the raid line.

 

[BigTex]

barring injury to Witten, you can forget about Fasano being a huge part of the passing game.  Witten is a UFA next season, but Dallas will do whatever it takes to keep him.

Fasano will be more of a blocker and a short route dump off guy mostly.  Witten will be getting all the intermediate routes.

I think you are too quick to assume he will resign. Players leave all the time as UFA's. It is possible he will be franchised, however, Gonzo, Gates, Heap, Winslow and Vernon Davis will all have pretty large contracts to set the standard. He will be pursued heavily and don't forget that it was Witten who elected to terminate the final year of his contract. I think he goes to the highest bidder.

I don't think I'm wrong in making that assumption at all. Witten figures into their plans heavily and they have cap space alotted to re-sign him when the time comes, same goes for Roy. They will do what it takes to keep the players they want happy, just look at Glenn. They really had no incentive to give him another payday but they did it anyway.Terminating the contract is just a smart business move. It means he gets his bigger payday sooner, and it will be with Dallas.

Few young players love Parcells

no real basis for this at all and there is nothing to indicate that he has any anomosity for Bill.

Dallas hasn't won anything

so I guess he's going to the Steelers then.

and I see him having a smaller role this year than last year with the addition of Owens (which was smaller than 04).

Actually, TO will open up the offense imo. TO will get the double teams, Glenn will stretch the d, and Witten will get his intermediate routes. We'll see. And Witten's role last year wasn't smaller, he was still vital to the team. It's just that when Flozell went down, the TE was required to block a whole lot more than they wanted.Witten was excited on draft day with the Fasano selection. He know what's in store with the 2 TE set. Don't be surprised to see Dallas get the TE fetish that NE has now. No more fb, and much more versatility with the playcalling.

I'm not saying Fasano wont be a good TE. It's just that the role he is going to be asked to play isn't going to be racking in the fantasy stats. It's akin to having an lb at slb in idp leagues. Decent emergency or bye week filler, but not really a good starter.

I agree 100%, Witten is "NOT" going anywhere, Fasano was brought in to compliment Witten "Not" take over.

 

[P Boy]

I can state that Shanahan, when interviewed after the draft, was absolutely slobbering when discussing Scheffler. He stated several times that Scheffler had outstanding hands, stating on at least 2 occassions that he had the best hands - bar no other player including all the WRs - of any player drafted.

Shanahan is very high on this guy - which is unusual, since he usually really understates his rookies.

 

[Football Jones]

I can state that Shanahan, when interviewed after the draft, was absolutely slobbering when discussing Scheffler.  He stated several times that Scheffler had outstanding hands, stating on at least 2 occassions that he had the best hands - bar no other player including all the WRs - of any player drafted.

Shanahan is very high on this guy - which is unusual, since he usually really understates his rookies.

That's interesting. Scheffler was the #2 TE on my board & like I said in my other post, he's kinda in a tier by himself, IMO. Yeah, he needs to improve his blocking, but so do most rookie TEs. His main problem is he gets overpowered at times. People rag on him for his 16 reps, but remember, he played baseball & hasn't been on a comprehensive weight program.Lack of strength is the easiest thing to overcome & with his work ethic, he'll get it done. He's a scrappy sucker, too, which will help. Going to Denver only made me give him a higher grade (for FF). I'm really high on this kid. I took him at 3.12 (28th overall) in one of my dynasty leagues even though I have Shockey & McMichael. He was sticking out like a sore thumb on my board & I simply decided I couldn't pass up the value.

 

[redman]

Byrd & Kopfenstein (Rams)

This drafted combo has me totally confused. Based upon skill set, Kopfenstein looks like more of a standard, in-line blocker and Byrd more like a receiving TE, however Kopfenstein was drafted awfully high (2nd rd, pick 46) for that type of role and a 1.5 rounds ahead of Byrd (3rd rd, 98th pick). I don't have any idea what the plan is with these two.

 

[P Boy]

Based upon skill set, Kopfenstein looks like more of a standard, in-line blocker

 

[The Finist]

If Dallas was looking for a receiving threat opposite Witten that could possibly replace him if he walked in free agency, they would not have taken Fasano, they would have gone with a more talented pass catcher (rather than a good 2 way guy like Fasano). Just because a TE goes early in the draft does not necessarily make him a good fantasy prospect. Anthony Becht was a first round pick.

Bloom, I respect your opinion, but I just think you are wrong on this one. You often bring up Becht with Fasano. They have a similiar complexion, but that is all I see. Becht often fails to mentally show up and has poor hands. Simply put, Becht is a bust. Busts happen all the time at every position. I think that Fasano has underrated quickness for the TE position (good three cone time), played for a fundamental task master in Weis, and will be good enough all around to stay on the field. In December/January, Weis was quoted along the lines of saying that he had seen a lot of TE"s and few could block, catch, run after the catch and compete like Fasano. I could be wrong, but I really don't mind burning a pick after 40 on him. I can't understand why many simply assume Witten will stay. Few young players love Parcells, Dallas hasn't won anything, and I see him having a smaller role this year than last year with the addition of Owens (which was smaller than 04).

Edit to not spell like a complete moron.

I really like Fasano as well.

 

[redman]

  Based upon skill set, Kopfenstein looks like more of a standard, in-line blocker

I went and re-read his profile - I've mistaken him for someone else. Still, they've drafted two receiving TE's relatively high and they are not a team that is historically been a great place for FF TE's. Can anyone make some sense of this?

 

[P Boy]

  Based upon skill set, Kopfenstein looks like more of a standard, in-line blocker

I went and re-read his profile - I've mistaken him for someone else. Still, they've drafted two receiving TE's relatively high and they are not a team that is historically been a great place for FF TE's. Can anyone make some sense of this?

The new HC loves getting TEs involved in the offense.

 

[wannabee]

  Based upon skill set, Kopfenstein looks like more of a standard, in-line blocker

I went and re-read his profile - I've mistaken him for someone else. Still, they've drafted two receiving TE's relatively high and they are not a team that is historically been a great place for FF TE's. Can anyone make some sense of this?

From an a simple outsider view:StLouis had a choice with both Klop and Byrd on the board. They made a surprise choice (to most) by choosing Klop. No way did the Rams expect Byrd to be available at the next pick. So, when the Rams chose Klop, they expected him to be the guy. Now, when Byrd was still on the board later, they took him, too.

I think the Rams see Klop as the frontrunner with Byrd having a chance. But, I can see no way how someone could argue that Byrd is the frontrunner to being the starting TE for the Rams.

 

[Beaumont]

From an a simple outsider view:

StLouis had a choice with both Klop and Byrd on the board. They made a surprise choice (to most) by choosing Klop. No way did the Rams expect Byrd to be available at the next pick. So, when the Rams chose Klop, they expected him to be the guy. Now, when Byrd was still on the board later, they took him, too.

I think the Rams see Klop as the frontrunner with Byrd having a chance. But, I can see no way how someone could argue that Byrd is the frontrunner to being the starting TE for the Rams.

Yep. They also traded Manumaleauna (sp) to the Chargers I think, cleaning the cupboard and setting these guys up as No. 1 and 2 at TE ...

 

[redman]

From an a simple outsider view:

StLouis had a choice with both Klop and Byrd on the board.  They made a surprise choice (to most) by choosing Klop.  No way did the Rams expect Byrd to be available at the next pick.  So, when the Rams chose Klop, they expected him to be the guy.  Now, when Byrd was still on the board later, they took him, too.

I think the Rams see Klop as the frontrunner with Byrd having a chance.  But, I can see no way how someone could argue that Byrd is the frontrunner to being the starting TE for the Rams.

Yep. They also traded Manumaleauna (sp) to the Chargers I think, cleaning the cupboard and setting these guys up as No. 1 and 2 at TE ...

Thanks. This is a good summary. This sounds a lot like a team ready to use a fair amount of 2WR, 2TE sets, no?

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Just because a TE goes early in the draft does not necessarily make him a good fantasy prospect.

I agree with this. Sometimes we need to remember to separate fantasy from real NFL. Fasano was likely a 2nd rounder since Parcells views him as a solid football player that can help win games - that's all he cares about. If he winds up catching 50+ balls, then it's probably gravy.

Does this really need to be said? I can separate the two. Most people on this board who have played for a year or two can. I am cool with everyone patting each other on the back talking about how Fasano will be a bust and how he was brought into to only be a second TE. I heard similiar things about Boldin being too slow, that Bryant Johnson was their guy and DD being a kick returner and that Tony Hollings is their man.No UFA that is not a QB is a lock to return. We will see.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Based upon skill set, Kopfenstein looks like more of a standard, in-line blocker

I went and re-read his profile - I've mistaken him for someone else. Still, they've drafted two receiving TE's relatively high and they are not a team that is historically been a great place for FF TE's. Can anyone make some sense of this?

From an a simple outsider view:StLouis had a choice with both Klop and Byrd on the board. They made a surprise choice (to most) by choosing Klop. No way did the Rams expect Byrd to be available at the next pick. So, when the Rams chose Klop, they expected him to be the guy. Now, when Byrd was still on the board later, they took him, too.

I think the Rams see Klop as the frontrunner with Byrd having a chance. But, I can see no way how someone could argue that Byrd is the frontrunner to being the starting TE for the Rams.

they also traded up to get Byrd, so they clearly had their eye on him too. The Manumaleuna trade came on the 2nd day after they had drafted both TEs.

 

[Wadsworth]

I'm wondering when a fast 40 time started meaning much for TEs. Tony G and Gates both clocked around 4.8s. Is there a top teir fantasy TE in the NFL right now besides Shockey that ran a fast 40? I know it's the time of year when people fall in love with times, but there's really not much basis for equating a fast 40 times with success in the NFL at TE.

 

[Biabreakable]

bump for Chaos Commish.

My memory got cloudy on this and it may have been a different thread that people were dismissing Owen Daniels in than this one I am not sure anymore. But just wanted to bring it back to confirm Chaos didn't disparage Daniels at all. That must have been a different thread that I didn't post in I was reading or somthing like that coz nothing really negative said about him here.