belljr
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Yes thanks it's been awhile since we did baseball that is the way I liked best. We also did weekly lineups
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avoiding injuries
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I suppose there is more strategy and less luck involved in 5x5, but I really enjoyed the pts format better. I thought it was more exciting and more fun to follow.
the moops
Footballguy
Have a question about strategy. I am winning 5-4 going into today's games.
I have R and SB wrapped up. He has HR and RBI wrapped. We are within a few % points on AVG. SO I know that I should be looking at high average guys over huge power guys.
For pitching, he has W and K wrapped up. We both only have 1 Save. I am winning in ERA (3.00 vs 3.18) and WHIP (1.31 vs 1.32), but it is close enough in both that either a decent day or a poor day will swing that one way or the other.
He has Wainwright going today. He also has Gallardo, but it appears he isn't pitching him today. I have Weaver, but have him on my bench.
Do I sit all my pitchers but my closers? Try and get a save or two, and try to at worst maintain my 3.00 and 1.31? And hope that Wainwright can't better those ERA and WHIP #s?
I have R and SB wrapped up. He has HR and RBI wrapped. We are within a few % points on AVG. SO I know that I should be looking at high average guys over huge power guys.
For pitching, he has W and K wrapped up. We both only have 1 Save. I am winning in ERA (3.00 vs 3.18) and WHIP (1.31 vs 1.32), but it is close enough in both that either a decent day or a poor day will swing that one way or the other.
He has Wainwright going today. He also has Gallardo, but it appears he isn't pitching him today. I have Weaver, but have him on my bench.
Do I sit all my pitchers but my closers? Try and get a save or two, and try to at worst maintain my 3.00 and 1.31? And hope that Wainwright can't better those ERA and WHIP #s?
Fariq
Footballguy
My last year with roto will be 2014. I have two teams this year. One is in a roto league and the other is in a H2H league. Both are of equal strength compared to the rest of the league. I am having more fun watching the standings and competing in the h2h league. Sure, h2h has flaws, but I am not bored out of my mind.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
I'm the opposite, dropped my last h2h this year, way too much dumb luck for me compared to roto (and I was the beneficiary of it last year).
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
May I ask why you think this lessens the value of pitchers and double stars?
'MAC told me so', while an acceptable answer, will likely be met with a
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
shadyridr
Footballguy
in points leagues theres often no negative repercussions for starting a guy with two starts. Very unlikely he gets negative points. In categories a double start pitcher can destroy your ratios for that one week.May I ask why you think this lessens the value of pitchers and double stars?'MAC told me so', while an acceptable answer, will likely be met with a
shadyridr
Footballguy
i just found out they switchef to H2H most categories gets one win instead of each category getting a win. Wtf
RnR
Footballguy
So it lessens the value of bad double start pitchers and heightens the value of quality ones, yes?in points leagues theres often no negative repercussions for starting a guy with two starts. Very unlikely he gets negative points. In categories a double start pitcher can destroy your ratios for that one week.May I ask why you think this lessens the value of pitchers and double stars?'MAC told me so', while an acceptable answer, will likely be met with a
shadyridr
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oh absolutely. When im talking about double starts i mean streaming double starters.So it lessens the value of bad double start pitchers and heightens the value of quality ones, yes?in points leagues theres often no negative repercussions for starting a guy with two starts. Very unlikely he gets negative points. In categories a double start pitcher can destroy your ratios for that one week.May I ask why you think this lessens the value of pitchers and double stars?'MAC told me so', while an acceptable answer, will likely be met with a
Wrigley
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Billy Bats
Footballguy
How so? We've been H2H points forever and there's an uprising to switch to H2H categories. Got voted down for this year but it's getting close. Just wondering what the negatives are for this system?
On a different not, anyone in just a HR league? We're starting it this year and am wondering about basic rules. Pickups/no pickups, trades, snake or straight draft, etc. We have 7 teams going with 5 selections each. Any insight appreciated.
belljr
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when we did ours I forget the exact rules but I think we had to have a minimum of 2 from each league. We allowed pickups based on waiver position I think once a week. I also think we set the max number of pickups for the year to something like 5.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Eephus
Footballguy
Can't imagine playing anything but my head to head points league. Thing is you play everyone every week. So top score goes 11-0. Second place goes 10-1 etc...
Like a hybrid of head to head and roto.
Every week is drama and you are watching everyone. Someone throws a shutout. Uh-oh.
Each week like a boat-race. Two-start pitchers are huge in our league so Monday and Tuesday are exciting. Weekend great as all your guys pitch again and you see if you can climb in the standings or maintain your lead.
I'm in third place but the team behind me is only down 7pts with V-Mart playing the Sunday night game. Just lots of action all week.
Like a hybrid of head to head and roto.
Every week is drama and you are watching everyone. Someone throws a shutout. Uh-oh.
Each week like a boat-race. Two-start pitchers are huge in our league so Monday and Tuesday are exciting. Weekend great as all your guys pitch again and you see if you can climb in the standings or maintain your lead.
I'm in third place but the team behind me is only down 7pts with V-Mart playing the Sunday night game. Just lots of action all week.
Fariq
Footballguy
ESPN or Yahoo or both for that?
The only time I played h2h-points, you would go 1-0, 0-0-1 or 0-1 each week.
I finished with the 2ns highest total points for the season but only went 12-9-1 and missed the playoffs. The schedule luck made it feel like fantasy football.
Playing everybody each week would change things for me and would make me join such a league.
The only time I played h2h-points, you would go 1-0, 0-0-1 or 0-1 each week.
I finished with the 2ns highest total points for the season but only went 12-9-1 and missed the playoffs. The schedule luck made it feel like fantasy football.
Playing everybody each week would change things for me and would make me join such a league.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Maybe I'm just and old fuddy duddy, but I have no interest in any sort of weekly and/or H2H league.
If I want drama manufactured from fluky small samples, I'll play a daily game.
If I want drama manufactured from fluky small samples, I'll play a daily game.
maxwelledison
Footballguy
This is how we do it, too (9 team NL only - lost a team after 20 years). I recommend making scoring so that pitchers can put up negative points and that hitters are rewarded for walks. Happy to post our scoring system if anyone is interested.
I don't know why this format is not more popular. You get the best of both worlds. Like once you go auction you never go back to draft.
Our format is very pitching heavy but I'd argue it does mimic more closely what a real mlb draft would go like for the coming season. In a real MLB draft no one is taking J. Altuve before M. Scherzer or Goldschimdt before Kershaw. It's similar to when you go with a start 2QB league in fantasy football. No longer are premier qb's going in the third round and later which is silly.
One thing I'd love to add to my league format is a bonus for hitters when they get 2+ extra-base hits in a game. Don't know of a site that can accommodate that. Haven't done enough research. In our league you go 2-4 with two doubles no rbi/run you get 4 pts. I'd prefer some bonus points for that. That's a hell of a game.
Is this the standard h2h strategy? I'm in a h2h roto league and I didnt draft a pitcher until the 9th round. We get 6 moves a week, with no innings cap so I assumed I can just stream.
shadyridr
Footballguy
My league just changed to a H2H category league where all you have to do is win 6 categories to get a win (1-0). I decided to load up on high K SPs & closers knowing that we have deep rosters and it would be hard to stream pitchers. I am going to roll out 5 studs every week and 3 stud closers and hope I can win 4 of 5 pitching categories with ease and then all I have to do is win 1 -2 batting categories and I loaded up on speed and power and sacrificed BA. We'll see if it works.
MAC_32
Footballguy
h2h points. Roto you need some quality, but I still devalue some relative to regular roto. Just not nearly as much as h2h points.
Doctor Detroit
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I'm in a head to head league for the first time and the owners who have been in the league awhile, have some strange approaches.
For example, I'm in 3rd playing the 8th place team this week. I'm currently up 10-9 (20 cats) and the other guy is winning six pitching cats but is only one win ahead of me, with all the other cats pretty much decided. So he has sat his whole pitching staff to include MadBum.
This is not the first time an opponent has done this to me, last time there were three close cats going into Sunday and I was down 11-9 and the guy sat all his pitchers. I ended up winning the week 11-9 because I got three saves and like 20 ks that day. Seems like these guys are programmed to sit pitchers in tight weeks just which I don't get. I sat a pitcher on Sunday night one time, but that was one pitcher.
I'm of the mindset to play everyone and see how things shake out unless there is an obvious play on Sunday where it would make no sense for me to play (like I'm up 5-4 in HRs allowed and the other team doesn't have any pitchers left to play).
For example, I'm in 3rd playing the 8th place team this week. I'm currently up 10-9 (20 cats) and the other guy is winning six pitching cats but is only one win ahead of me, with all the other cats pretty much decided. So he has sat his whole pitching staff to include MadBum.
This is not the first time an opponent has done this to me, last time there were three close cats going into Sunday and I was down 11-9 and the guy sat all his pitchers. I ended up winning the week 11-9 because I got three saves and like 20 ks that day. Seems like these guys are programmed to sit pitchers in tight weeks just which I don't get. I sat a pitcher on Sunday night one time, but that was one pitcher.
I'm of the mindset to play everyone and see how things shake out unless there is an obvious play on Sunday where it would make no sense for me to play (like I'm up 5-4 in HRs allowed and the other team doesn't have any pitchers left to play).
Fariq
Footballguy
I am about to lose a playoff game by a score of 5-5 to a lower seed. I am the 1 seed and will not be beat on the scoreboard.
Yahoo public league tiebreaker? Better record in head-to-head action in the regular season. I was 9-10-1 against the other team.
Here is a novel idea, Yahoo. Let us not complicate things. Higher seed should move on in the event of a tie.
The lower seed did not earn moving on to the final.
Yahoo public league tiebreaker? Better record in head-to-head action in the regular season. I was 9-10-1 against the other team.
Here is a novel idea, Yahoo. Let us not complicate things. Higher seed should move on in the event of a tie.
The lower seed did not earn moving on to the final.
Peyton Marino
Footballguy
Congress should get involved here
Fariq
Footballguy
Dickie Dunn
Footballguy
I faced a potential similar situation as the No. 2 seed, because I lost 6-5 to my opponent both times this season (I was up 10-1 at 1 p.m. Sunday in the latter one). Fortunately I pulled it out fairly easily.
But Yahoo used to do something even more inane ... picking a random category as a tiebreaker (I believe ours was WHIP). I forget the details, but I know a few years back we all woke up to discover Yahoo had settled a tied matchup differently than we expected and the other team (I wasn't involved) moved on. That was fun.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Fariq
Footballguy
I experienced that too once. I lost an NBA playoff 5-5-1 because my shooting percentage was lower than my opponent's shooting percentage.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
At least that's an actual stat. 
I am a long time fantasy baseball junkie!!! Like most of us I have been born and bread on Roto, however living here in Oklahoma with baseball nowhere near the pasttime it is in other parts of the country it has been extremely hard find enough interested parties in getting a Roto league stated. Because of this and the proliferation of Fantasy Football most frequently played in a Head to Head format, getting newbies to play fantasy baseball it has been easier getting them to buy into the Head to Head format.. I see the industry moving this way. What have been your guys experience with seeming shift in popularity from Roto to Head to Head? And do you have any strategy tips?
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I mentioned this earlier in the thread. My league a hybrid. 12 teams head to head but you play everyone each week. Top score for the week you go 11-0. We set weekly lineups.
Would think the top team at end of our regular season would be the top roto team as well. Or very close. Plus you get the weekly head to head element. Our playoffs consist of three periods each consisting of three weeks. We have an unique, but logical, playoff format that is such no one has any complaints when the dust clears. If you win it all you have earned it. Even if you were a lower seed.
If this format was promoted I think it would catch on.
I am usually more for Roto and I use websites like https://www.dailylineups.com/ to get lineups and that's it. Head-to-head is not so much my style 
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
spammer with username Shukerie? Holy Christ.
the moops
Footballguy
This is our 2nd year of H2H after doing roto for 5 years. Seems to be little difference in activity. Always gonna have a couple guys who start off poorly and check their teams infrequently.
IMO, the best way to keep owners active is to offer incentive to not finish in the bottom 4 of the league.
IMO, the best way to keep owners active is to offer incentive to not finish in the bottom 4 of the league.
Fariq
Footballguy
the moops
Footballguy
In our 12 team league, we had a 50 dollar buy-in, with a 25 dollar add-on.
Top 4 teams got prize money, plus their 25 add-on back.
Middle 4 teams played a mini-playoffs for their 25 add-on, with winner getting 75, and second getting their add-on back.
Bottom 4 lost all their buy-in and add-on, and bottom 2 teams have to buy beer and food for next years draft (100 bucks worth or so).
We still had 2 shlubs pretty much abandon their teams at the break, but the 10th place guy was damn well making sure he wasn't going to come in 11th or 12th.
Top 4 teams got prize money, plus their 25 add-on back.
Middle 4 teams played a mini-playoffs for their 25 add-on, with winner getting 75, and second getting their add-on back.
Bottom 4 lost all their buy-in and add-on, and bottom 2 teams have to buy beer and food for next years draft (100 bucks worth or so).
We still had 2 shlubs pretty much abandon their teams at the break, but the 10th place guy was damn well making sure he wasn't going to come in 11th or 12th.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
In my work league we started holding executions a few years ago. Whoever comes in last gets shot in the head. We've lost a few good programmers, but it's made the league fantastically competitive.
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