Roy Dub to be shipped this offseason (1 Viewer)

[LawFitz]

NFL Total Access said just now that they hear the Lions are gonna use Roy Williams to trade up in the draft to acquire Matt Ryan.

Now lets say the Falcons select Chris Long (Raiders first choice) and Ryan falls to #4.

Could you guys see Det moving #15, Roy and a later round pick for #4 and Fabian Washington? Al Davis has been regretting taking Gallery over Roy that year. He was rumored to be torn between the two.

Lions take Ryan with #4 and the Raiders take the best available OT with #15.

Latest rumors from Raiderland have the Raiders shopping the pick but hoping that baby Howie falls to them.

 

[sheerterror]

Provided this rumor is true, I'd love the Jets to consider it. I think there is a good chance Ryan is there at #6, and the Jets could certainly use help at receiver. Moving down to 15 would allow them to then select best available LB, DE, or CB.

 

[gianmarco]

Provided this rumor is true, I'd love the Jets to consider it. I think there is a good chance Ryan is there at #6, and the Jets could certainly use help at receiver. Moving down to 15 would allow them to then select best available LB, DE, or CB.

Why do the Jets need help at WR? I think they have arguably one of the top 5-10 WR duos in the league.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

I wish the Bills had a higher pick.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I think the chances that the Lions trade up to take a QB are minuscule, considering the many holes they have to fill. QB is not a need.

 

[BassNBrew]

I think the chances that the Lions trade up to take a QB are minuscule, considering the many holes they have to fill. QB is not a need.

You can say that again.

 

[gianmarco]

I wonder what the chances of Detroit trading up for a QB are.....

 

[3C's]

I think the chances that the Lions trade up to take a QB are minuscule, considering the many holes they have to fill. QB is not a need.

I thought they were pretty high on Stanton

I think the chances that the Lions trade up to take a QB are minuscule, considering the many holes they have to fill. QB is not a need.

I thought they were pretty high on Stanton

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Sounds like he may be shopped, but why not? Shipped, on the other hand? Not sure they can get good value. Not that that's stopped them recently...

 

[TLEF316]

Provided this rumor is true, I'd love the Jets to consider it. I think there is a good chance Ryan is there at #6, and the Jets could certainly use help at receiver. Moving down to 15 would allow them to then select best available LB, DE, or CB.

Why do the Jets need help at WR? I think they have arguably one of the top 5-10 WR duos in the league.

Coles is aging and was badly banged up last year. Neither he or Cotchery is a great deep threat. The whole thing seems like a pipe dream on all levels. It's like a madden trade.

 

[gianmarco]

Provided this rumor is true, I'd love the Jets to consider it. I think there is a good chance Ryan is there at #6, and the Jets could certainly use help at receiver. Moving down to 15 would allow them to then select best available LB, DE, or CB.

Why do the Jets need help at WR? I think they have arguably one of the top 5-10 WR duos in the league.

Coles is aging and was badly banged up last year. Neither he or Cotchery is a great deep threat. The whole thing seems like a pipe dream on all levels. It's like a madden trade.

Coles is about the same age as Wayne, CJ, Housh, S. Smith, Burress to name a few. Do those teams feel a need to draft a WR to replace them? Cotchery is still quite young. I'm not saying they couldn't use one, but it's not a pressing need and definitely not one I would think is a priority at the cost of moving down in the draft.

 

[sheerterror]

Provided this rumor is true, I'd love the Jets to consider it. I think there is a good chance Ryan is there at #6, and the Jets could certainly use help at receiver. Moving down to 15 would allow them to then select best available LB, DE, or CB.

Why do the Jets need help at WR? I think they have arguably one of the top 5-10 WR duos in the league.

Coles is aging and was badly banged up last year. Neither he or Cotchery is a great deep threat. The whole thing seems like a pipe dream on all levels. It's like a madden trade.

Agreed. Coles and Cotchery are a very good WR duo, certainly above average. But Coles is starting to slow down a little bit, and both receivers are of the similar mold. Having Roy would add some size to a WR core that is desperate for a big RZ target. Doubt it will happen though.

 

[gianmarco]

Provided this rumor is true, I'd love the Jets to consider it. I think there is a good chance Ryan is there at #6, and the Jets could certainly use help at receiver. Moving down to 15 would allow them to then select best available LB, DE, or CB.

Why do the Jets need help at WR? I think they have arguably one of the top 5-10 WR duos in the league.

Coles is aging and was badly banged up last year. Neither he or Cotchery is a great deep threat. The whole thing seems like a pipe dream on all levels. It's like a madden trade.

Agreed. Coles and Cotchery are a very good WR duo, certainly above average. But Coles is starting to slow down a little bit, and both receivers are of the similar mold. Having Roy would add some size to a WR core that is desperate for a big RZ target. Doubt it will happen though.

I understand your point, but using that thinking almost every team in the league could use Roy then. Other than Arizona, Cincy (if CJ plays), NE, and Pitt, what other teams don't fit what you're saying and couldn't use Roy?

 

[Buckna]

The Raiders just paid a boatload of cash to Javon Walker, why would they want Roy now?

 

[FUBAR]

Provided this rumor is true, I'd love the Jets to consider it. I think there is a good chance Ryan is there at #6, and the Jets could certainly use help at receiver. Moving down to 15 would allow them to then select best available LB, DE, or CB.

Why do the Jets need help at WR? I think they have arguably one of the top 5-10 WR duos in the league.

Coles is aging and was badly banged up last year. Neither he or Cotchery is a great deep threat. The whole thing seems like a pipe dream on all levels. It's like a madden trade.

Agreed. Coles and Cotchery are a very good WR duo, certainly above average. But Coles is starting to slow down a little bit, and both receivers are of the similar mold. Having Roy would add some size to a WR core that is desperate for a big RZ target. Doubt it will happen though.

I understand your point, but using that thinking almost every team in the league could use Roy then. Other than Arizona, Cincy (if CJ plays), NE, and Pitt, what other teams don't fit what you're saying and couldn't use Roy?

Everyone can use Roy, but the question is value. I agree, the Jets need help elsewhere first.Playing along:IndyClevelandSDGiants?If they're just looking to deal him, and aren't restricted to a top pick for Ryan (which I seriously doubt anyway), Seattle would be an interesting destination, as would San Fran.

 

[sheerterror]

Provided this rumor is true, I'd love the Jets to consider it. I think there is a good chance Ryan is there at #6, and the Jets could certainly use help at receiver. Moving down to 15 would allow them to then select best available LB, DE, or CB.

Why do the Jets need help at WR? I think they have arguably one of the top 5-10 WR duos in the league.

Coles is aging and was badly banged up last year. Neither he or Cotchery is a great deep threat. The whole thing seems like a pipe dream on all levels. It's like a madden trade.

Agreed. Coles and Cotchery are a very good WR duo, certainly above average. But Coles is starting to slow down a little bit, and both receivers are of the similar mold. Having Roy would add some size to a WR core that is desperate for a big RZ target. Doubt it will happen though.

I understand your point, but using that thinking almost every team in the league could use Roy then. Other than Arizona, Cincy (if CJ plays), NE, and Pitt, what other teams don't fit what you're saying and couldn't use Roy?

Sure, there's other teams that could use Williams - but given the fact that the Jets have a need at WR, and are in a position where Ryan might be available, I think it's safe to say they are one of the better potential suitors for this deal. But, again, I don't think it will end up happening - it just doesn't seem to me like the Lions most glaring need right now is QB.

 

[basenjiwarrior]

Provided this rumor is true, I'd love the Jets to consider it. I think there is a good chance Ryan is there at #6, and the Jets could certainly use help at receiver. Moving down to 15 would allow them to then select best available LB, DE, or CB.

Why do the Jets need help at WR? I think they have arguably one of the top 5-10 WR duos in the league.

Coles is aging and was badly banged up last year. Neither he or Cotchery is a great deep threat. The whole thing seems like a pipe dream on all levels. It's like a madden trade.

Agreed. Coles and Cotchery are a very good WR duo, certainly above average. But Coles is starting to slow down a little bit, and both receivers are of the similar mold. Having Roy would add some size to a WR core that is desperate for a big RZ target. Doubt it will happen though.

I understand your point, but using that thinking almost every team in the league could use Roy then. Other than Arizona, Cincy (if CJ plays), NE, and Pitt, what other teams don't fit what you're saying and couldn't use Roy?

Sure, there's other teams that could use Williams - but given the fact that the Jets have a need at WR, and are in a position where Ryan might be available, I think it's safe to say they are one of the better potential suitors for this deal. But, again, I don't think it will end up happening - it just doesn't seem to me like the Lions most glaring need right now is QB.

Just a note:it just doesn't seem to me like the Jets most glaring need right now is WR.

 

[gianmarco]

Provided this rumor is true, I'd love the Jets to consider it. I think there is a good chance Ryan is there at #6, and the Jets could certainly use help at receiver. Moving down to 15 would allow them to then select best available LB, DE, or CB.

Why do the Jets need help at WR? I think they have arguably one of the top 5-10 WR duos in the league.

Coles is aging and was badly banged up last year. Neither he or Cotchery is a great deep threat. The whole thing seems like a pipe dream on all levels. It's like a madden trade.

Agreed. Coles and Cotchery are a very good WR duo, certainly above average. But Coles is starting to slow down a little bit, and both receivers are of the similar mold. Having Roy would add some size to a WR core that is desperate for a big RZ target. Doubt it will happen though.

I understand your point, but using that thinking almost every team in the league could use Roy then. Other than Arizona, Cincy (if CJ plays), NE, and Pitt, what other teams don't fit what you're saying and couldn't use Roy?

Everyone can use Roy, but the question is value. I agree, the Jets need help elsewhere first.Playing along:IndyClevelandSDGiants?If they're just looking to deal him, and aren't restricted to a top pick for Ryan (which I seriously doubt anyway), Seattle would be an interesting destination, as would San Fran.

Indy--One of the premier passing teams in the league pass up a top WR like Roy especially considering Marvin may not be back? Gonzalez looked fine last year, but he's no Roy. Doubt Indy would pass on the chance of Roy/WayneCleveland -- Not sure why this is even listed. They have Edwards and Winslow and that's it. Roy would be a great addition here.SD -- I think this is one of the best fits, to be honest. With an aging LT and a questionable Gates, Roy/Chambers would be a great compliment to each other and give Rivers a chance to do really well.Giants -- If the NYJ are going to be on the list bc Coles is aging and has been bothered by injuries, how do the Giants not fit the exact same criteria? That's kind of my point. I mean, Roy would look great as an addition to almost every team and very few teams have 2 young, talented WRs as their starters.

 

[sheerterror]

Provided this rumor is true, I'd love the Jets to consider it. I think there is a good chance Ryan is there at #6, and the Jets could certainly use help at receiver. Moving down to 15 would allow them to then select best available LB, DE, or CB.

Why do the Jets need help at WR? I think they have arguably one of the top 5-10 WR duos in the league.

Coles is aging and was badly banged up last year. Neither he or Cotchery is a great deep threat. The whole thing seems like a pipe dream on all levels. It's like a madden trade.

Agreed. Coles and Cotchery are a very good WR duo, certainly above average. But Coles is starting to slow down a little bit, and both receivers are of the similar mold. Having Roy would add some size to a WR core that is desperate for a big RZ target. Doubt it will happen though.

I understand your point, but using that thinking almost every team in the league could use Roy then. Other than Arizona, Cincy (if CJ plays), NE, and Pitt, what other teams don't fit what you're saying and couldn't use Roy?

Sure, there's other teams that could use Williams - but given the fact that the Jets have a need at WR, and are in a position where Ryan might be available, I think it's safe to say they are one of the better potential suitors for this deal. But, again, I don't think it will end up happening - it just doesn't seem to me like the Lions most glaring need right now is QB.

Just a note:it just doesn't seem to me like the Jets most glaring need right now is WR.

I was under the impression it was assumed that the alleged deal would be Williams and Detroit's #15 for the pick to land Matt Ryan. This would allow the Jets to address one of their most pressing needs (DL, LB, CB) with the first rounder - and at a cheaper price than the #6 while also addressing another need on the other side of the ball. You could argue that there is much more value in drafting a player at one of those positions at 15, as opposed to 6 because there doesn't seem to be a LB or CB worth drafting as high as the Jets would have to should they keep the 6.

 

[sheerterror]

Provided this rumor is true, I'd love the Jets to consider it. I think there is a good chance Ryan is there at #6, and the Jets could certainly use help at receiver. Moving down to 15 would allow them to then select best available LB, DE, or CB.

Why do the Jets need help at WR? I think they have arguably one of the top 5-10 WR duos in the league.

Coles is aging and was badly banged up last year. Neither he or Cotchery is a great deep threat. The whole thing seems like a pipe dream on all levels. It's like a madden trade.

Agreed. Coles and Cotchery are a very good WR duo, certainly above average. But Coles is starting to slow down a little bit, and both receivers are of the similar mold. Having Roy would add some size to a WR core that is desperate for a big RZ target. Doubt it will happen though.

I understand your point, but using that thinking almost every team in the league could use Roy then. Other than Arizona, Cincy (if CJ plays), NE, and Pitt, what other teams don't fit what you're saying and couldn't use Roy?

Everyone can use Roy, but the question is value. I agree, the Jets need help elsewhere first.Playing along:IndyClevelandSDGiants?If they're just looking to deal him, and aren't restricted to a top pick for Ryan (which I seriously doubt anyway), Seattle would be an interesting destination, as would San Fran.

Indy--One of the premier passing teams in the league pass up a top WR like Roy especially considering Marvin may not be back? Gonzalez looked fine last year, but he's no Roy. Doubt Indy would pass on the chance of Roy/WayneCleveland -- Not sure why this is even listed. They have Edwards and Winslow and that's it. Roy would be a great addition here.SD -- I think this is one of the best fits, to be honest. With an aging LT and a questionable Gates, Roy/Chambers would be a great compliment to each other and give Rivers a chance to do really well.Giants -- If the NYJ are going to be on the list bc Coles is aging and has been bothered by injuries, how do the Giants not fit the exact same criteria? That's kind of my point. I mean, Roy would look great as an addition to almost every team and very few teams have 2 young, talented WRs as their starters.

None of those teams are in a position to move a draft pick that would allow the Lions to draft Matt Ryan, the basis of this rumor. Therefore, there is no sense in speculating that any of those teams would be able to pull off a deal to land Williams.

 

[Interseptopus]

I wonder if Millen secretly covets McFadden and is trading up for him...

I would see this happening. I think DET needs help at QB badly. Stanton... I don't like

 

[travdogg]

Seems odd that nobody has brought up Atlanta as a possible partner. The R-Dub combo?

 

[FUBAR]

Provided this rumor is true, I'd love the Jets to consider it. I think there is a good chance Ryan is there at #6, and the Jets could certainly use help at receiver. Moving down to 15 would allow them to then select best available LB, DE, or CB.

Why do the Jets need help at WR? I think they have arguably one of the top 5-10 WR duos in the league.

Coles is aging and was badly banged up last year. Neither he or Cotchery is a great deep threat. The whole thing seems like a pipe dream on all levels. It's like a madden trade.

Agreed. Coles and Cotchery are a very good WR duo, certainly above average. But Coles is starting to slow down a little bit, and both receivers are of the similar mold. Having Roy would add some size to a WR core that is desperate for a big RZ target. Doubt it will happen though.

I understand your point, but using that thinking almost every team in the league could use Roy then. Other than Arizona, Cincy (if CJ plays), NE, and Pitt, what other teams don't fit what you're saying and couldn't use Roy?

Everyone can use Roy, but the question is value. I agree, the Jets need help elsewhere first.Playing along:IndyClevelandSDGiants?If they're just looking to deal him, and aren't restricted to a top pick for Ryan (which I seriously doubt anyway), Seattle would be an interesting destination, as would San Fran.

Indy--One of the premier passing teams in the league pass up a top WR like Roy especially considering Marvin may not be back? Gonzalez looked fine last year, but he's no Roy. Doubt Indy would pass on the chance of Roy/WayneCleveland -- Not sure why this is even listed. They have Edwards and Winslow and that's it. Roy would be a great addition here.SD -- I think this is one of the best fits, to be honest. With an aging LT and a questionable Gates, Roy/Chambers would be a great compliment to each other and give Rivers a chance to do really well.Giants -- If the NYJ are going to be on the list bc Coles is aging and has been bothered by injuries, how do the Giants not fit the exact same criteria? That's kind of my point. I mean, Roy would look great as an addition to almost every team and very few teams have 2 young, talented WRs as their starters.

The question is which teams need a WR more than what they'd have to give up. Sure if Roy was free, every team would want him.Indy - doing well with Wayne and AG, needs elsewhere, LB, OG, backup RB, etc.Cleveland - You must not think much of Stallworth, which is fine, but apparently they do. SD - agree to disagree. Chambers/VJ/Gates/LT needs elsewhere trump improving WR.Giants - I'll take Plax and Smith, along with Shockey and have the Giants address their DBs and LBs.

 

[FUBAR]

None of those teams are in a position to move a draft pick that would allow the Lions to draft Matt Ryan, the basis of this rumor. Therefore, there is no sense in speculating that any of those teams would be able to pull off a deal to land Williams.

Understood, I wasn't trying to speculate, I was answering GM's question.

I understand your point, but using that thinking almost every team in the league could use Roy then. Other than Arizona, Cincy (if CJ plays), NE, and Pitt, what other teams don't fit what you're saying and couldn't use Roy?

"couldn't USE Roy" is overbroad, but there's many teams who won't consider a deal because the pieces they'd have to give can better be used elsewhere.

 

[V1LL]

I think the chances that the Lions trade up to take a QB are minuscule, considering the many holes they have to fill. QB is not a need.

While they may indeed have many holes to fill QB is STILL a need. I hope they don't do it though, cuz I'm not a big fan of Ryan.

 

[noneother]

detroit has proven time again that they don't recognize player value, either entering the organization, or getting rid of it...

Az Hakim, and the white fellow from GB, BIG money coming in... all the garbage they just let go, from BMW, to Rodgers, to Kevin Jones, and on.... i would like to say they couldna been sixth round picks if properly represented in negotiations.. but no one has picked those clowns up either..

face it, no one knows what Matt will do.. hopefully he's reading these boards...

 

[JAA]

NFL Total Access said just now that they hear the Lions are gonna use Roy Williams to trade up in the draft to acquire Matt Ryan.

Now lets say the Falcons select Chris Long (Raiders first choice) and Ryan falls to #4.

Could you guys see Det moving #15, Roy and a later round pick for #4 and Fabian Washington? Al Davis has been regretting taking Gallery over Roy that year. He was rumored to be torn between the two.

Lions take Ryan with #4 and the Raiders take the best available OT with #15.

Latest rumors from Raiderland have the Raiders shopping the pick but hoping that baby Howie falls to them.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...amp;pid=8529509

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Isn't Roy open about wanting to play in Dallas where his family is?

 

[Splicer]

Waht is all the hype around RW. He has shown flashe of greatness followed by multiple lapses in concentration, followed by an injury. He most certainly would improve most teams' WR corps, but the price must be right.

We need to find that post about Who Am I? that turned out to be RW. He has not been awesome by any means.

Who am I?, (other than overrated)

 

[3nOut]

IF this rumor is true, Calvin's value skyrockets as he becomes the unquestionable #1. It would also indicate that his back injury is no longer a concern.

 

[Ridgelake]

Isn't Roy open about wanting to play in Dallas where his family is?

If Detroit is serious about moving Roy, I can almost guarantee that Dallas will be on the phone. Jerry has talked at length about adding another playmaker opposite TO. But not through the draft. Jerry means a vet WR via trade. So Detroit values a QB. Lets say Dallas trades #28 for Roy. Now Det can either package 15 and 28 to move up to get Ryan. or they can stay and get one of Henne, Flacco, or Brohm at 28.This deal is almost a no brainer if Detroit is serious about trading Roy. The only question would be whether someone would give them a higher pick than 28.

 

[Mr Capicollo]

Is Matt Ryan a better prospect than Drew Stanton? They both seem in my mind to be pretty similar.

 

[BigJim®]

I'm not following any of the trade options other than Dallas. The guy has said he wants to be a Lion for life, and that he'd like to ink his next contract in Texas if that does not happen. Why would he be moved to NY, Oakland, Buffalo or other suggested destinations when the trade would hinge on him signing a long term deal? Is there any reason to believe Roy would sign a long term deal with any of those teams?

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Isn't Roy open about wanting to play in Dallas where his family is?

If Detroit is serious about moving Roy, I can almost guarantee that Dallas will be on the phone. Jerry has talked at length about adding another playmaker opposite TO. But not through the draft. Jerry means a vet WR via trade. So Detroit values a QB. Lets say Dallas trades #28 for Roy. Now Det can either package 15 and 28 to move up to get Ryan. or they can stay and get one of Henne, Flacco, or Brohm at 28.This deal is almost a no brainer if Detroit is serious about trading Roy. The only question would be whether someone would give them a higher pick than 28.

I guess they could offer the 22nd pick instead of the 28th. I'm seeing a 3-way trade here. It's gonna happen.

 

[Abraham]

Is Matt Ryan a better prospect than Drew Stanton? They both seem in my mind to be pretty similar.

I understand the propensity for people to be somewhat 'down' on Ryan as a prospect, but he's a lot better than people give him credit for. He's CERTAINLY better then Drew Stanton.

 

[T Man]

Isn't Roy open about wanting to play in Dallas where his family is?

If Detroit is serious about moving Roy, I can almost guarantee that Dallas will be on the phone. Jerry has talked at length about adding another playmaker opposite TO. But not through the draft. Jerry means a vet WR via trade. So Detroit values a QB. Lets say Dallas trades #28 for Roy. Now Det can either package 15 and 28 to move up to get Ryan. or they can stay and get one of Henne, Flacco, or Brohm at 28.This deal is almost a no brainer if Detroit is serious about trading Roy. The only question would be whether someone would give them a higher pick than 28.

Given the market, #28 overall is far to low for Roy. Heck the Skins were reportedly willing to offer a 1st rounder this year (higher then Dallas') plus a conditional 3rd rounder next year - which could upgrade to a 1st for Chad Johnson - who carries some baggage.I would think that seeing the potential price tag for WRs, Detroit has to consider trading Roy. They would be foolish not to, unless they have already decided to franchis him next year.

 

[Ripleys]

as a calvin owner in 8 dynasty leagues, i sure hope this is true.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

as a calvin owner in 8 dynasty leagues, i sure hope this is true.

Owner of Calvin and Roy in one league and would be psyched if he gets traded.I think Roy is not happy in Detroit. He will be gone this year or next. Calvin will be the #1 WR in Detroit soon.

 

[switz]

as a calvin owner in 8 dynasty leagues, i sure hope this is true.

Not me, CJ would be better off with RW on the other side to take away some coverage... Millen is the most ######ed GM in the biz... how many 1st round picks on WRs? How many of those left on the team if he moves RW? 25% success rate in the 1st round would get most GMs canned. I want to know what pictures Millen has of Ford.

 

[Bob Henry]

I think the chances that the Lions trade up to take a QB are minuscule, considering the many holes they have to fill. QB is not a need.

For all we know this rumor started this morning when they were yacking about potential trades and draft day maneuvers on the local sports radio yak. One thing is true, Millen has drafted a skilled offensive player with his 1st round picks every year save for Ernie Sims.

That said, I don't buy it.

Remember 75% of what we hear and read about in the week or two leading into the draft is misinformation and innuendo floated out by teams to affect their own chances of getting what they REALLY want to do on draft day. My take on this is like Anthony's above. The Lions need to fill a lot of holes. QB may be one of them, in all honesty, but they are happy with Kitna for the here and now and they want to see what they have in Stanton. I'm not going to rule out the idiot factor. Nothing would amaze me with the Lions front office this weekend.

They could still use Roy as a draft day chess piece to move up. If they do, I'm guessing it would be to land one of the top DEs or OTs on the board (Long, Harvey or Clady). I think they're better off staying put and seeing what falls out.

Millen has been active on previous draft days, so it will be fun painful to watch and see what actually transpires.

ETA: Regardless of what happens with Roy, I really think Calvin is going freaky styley this year. 1200 yds and 10 TDs. We'll start there.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

CJ is coming off an injury (still), his offense is worse overall even with Roy still there, and if Roy is gone then CJ will draw #1 coverage all the time. I dunno about that.

But hey, this thread is not about CJ.

 

[Max Power]

I only skimmed all the responses, but from what Roy has said on regular basis...he wants to play for either Houston, NO or Dallas to be near his daughter (I think). Although he also said he is willing to play for any team that makes him the highest paid player at his position.

I can see why teams might be be scared away from giving some early picks for him.

 

[BusterTBronco]

I started a thread last season stating that Roy Williams was a bust and I got crucified. He has a very fanatical following in the fantasy community (not unlike Micheal Turner).

I just don't get it.

 

[Chunky Soup]

I started a thread last season stating that Roy Williams was a bust and I got crucified. He has a very fanatical following in the fantasy community (not unlike Micheal Turner).I just don't get it.

..so you're saying he's overrated? Rookie year he had 800+ yards and 8 TDs in 14 games. 2006, his third year he had 1310/7. 2007 he had 830/7 in 12 games. Pro-rated to 16 games he had 1100/9. These were all with a very bad and inconsistent Detroit team. Remember, he's still only 26.He has an incredible college pedigree and has proven he can do it in the NFL. Skill/talent are not a question. Staying healthy is another.Either way, don't call him overrated.

 

[brock]

I started a thread last season stating that Roy Williams was a bust and I got crucified. He has a very fanatical following in the fantasy community (not unlike Micheal Turner).I just don't get it.

he's like eric moulds. very talented but may only have a couple of great seasons.

 

[massraider]

I only skimmed all the responses, but from what Roy has said on regular basis...he wants to play for either Houston, NO or Dallas to be near his daughter (I think). Although he also said he is willing to play for any team that makes him the highest paid player at his position.

I can see why teams might be be scared away from giving some early picks for him.

I think any team that makes a deal like this without getting him signed to an extension is making a mistake.I think the Lions may be dangling Roy, to see hat the chances are, but if I am the Falcons, and Dorsey is gone, and Roy won't extend with them, I think I'd look elsewhere for a trade down, like Baltimore. They could still jump back up for Ellis if they wanted.

 

[Max Power]

The Detroit News puts the chances of the Lions trading Roy Williams on draft day at "zero."

They put the odds of Detroit trading up for Matt Ryan at "less than zero." The Eagles are interested in Williams, but it'll take quite a sum to get him.

Source: Detroit News

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

I started a thread last season stating that Roy Williams was a bust and I got crucified. He has a very fanatical following in the fantasy community (not unlike Micheal Turner).

I just don't get it.

While I definitely see your point, I don't think it's completely fair to label him a bust given the circumstances. Since entering the league he's been on a team with a below average offensive line, poor coaching, and sub-par quarterbacks who have to hurry their passes because of the bad o-line.And as far as his injury history goes – the ankle his rookie season, his neck in '06 and his knee this past season... Now I'm not entirely familiar with the circumstances as I'm not in Detroit watching the games, but when I hear about those I have to wonder how many of them are result of the WR always having to go up for the ball and just plain being hung out to dry by a rushed quarterback.

Anyway, point being: any team that gets him, whether it's Dallas, Philly or whoever... They'll soon realize they're lucky to have him. Is he the next T.O.? No, probably not... but I'm in the camp that thinks he'd be a perennial top-10 guy if he was on a good team with something to play for.

 

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I started a thread last season stating that Roy Williams was a bust and I got crucified. He has a very fanatical following in the fantasy community (not unlike Micheal Turner).I just don't get it.

flair for drama?

..so you're saying he's overrated? Rookie year he had 800+ yards and 8 TDs in 14 games. 2006, his third year he had 1310/7. 2007 he had 830/7 in 12 games. Pro-rated to 16 games he had 1100/9. These were all with a very bad and inconsistent Detroit team. Remember, he's still only 26.He has an incredible college pedigree and has proven he can do it in the NFL. Skill/talent are not a question. Staying healthy is another.Either way, don't call him overrated.

I was about to call him exactly that. He's far from a bust, but hasn't performed up to his value. He might, but hasn't.