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Roy (the destROYer) Williams (1 Viewer)
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It's just coincidence how he always manages to roll up on the guy's lower leg like that...
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Lombaowski
Footballguy
He also is the all-time NFL leader in fines for horse collars. Mort and Ditka said this is because he's always out of position. His pass coverages skills are always in question and he's a liability against a team which passes like New England.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
What happened?
Thank you Captain Obvious. We all know that Roy is great vs the run and terrible vs the pass. Do you have a link for the all time leader in fines for horse collars or is this a guess. I am curious if this is true.
ScoobyDoo
Footballguy
LOLThe rule was put in because of him you know.
Lombaowski
Footballguy
The rule was created because of him. He was fined for it once last year on Tiki, once this year on Desmond Clark, and had a third last week which the NFL is still keeping in mind for future action.
No one else has more than one. If I'm Captain Obvious you are??????
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DUH I wasn't disputing that.
The guy that points out the fact that you are Captain Obvious?
Lombaowski
Footballguy
Did you know Ditka and Mort said that today about Williams? Or was that obvious also? And anyone who follows football knows about he horse collars. If there is one thing here that should be obvious, that would be it. 
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
If you know his horse collar technique, he grabs up high, hangs on and swings his legs around to the defenders legs so they get tangled and the receiver (or RB, or TE) winds up with blown knees or ankles. Today Williams has shown a new wrinkle in his crippling technique: Just grab around the waist (instead of the collar), swing legs around into back of receivers legs. Different place to hang on, results still the same. Today's victim: Ben Watson.
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AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Who all has he wiped out? I remember TO and Tyrone Calico.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Best thing this guy's ever done is Kelly Rowland
RenegadeGM
Footballguy
don't forget Musa Smith
Das Boot
Footballguy
There are those who think it's just a matter of sucky tackling skills.You know his tackling skills suck, but do you really believe that he fore goes proper tackling technic so that he can position his body to fall directly on the ankle so he can end careers???? You gotta be kiddin
OU#1
Footballguy
Monday Night Countdown had a nice mini-roast of Roy tonight. He got burned a bunch in the PATS game as they showed multiple times.
He was good in college...average in pros. Somehow makes the pro bowl every year? I still love the play he made in the Texas game making Sims throw that pick to Lehman. Good times!
He was good in college...average in pros. Somehow makes the pro bowl every year? I still love the play he made in the Texas game making Sims throw that pick to Lehman. Good times!
stevegamer
Footballguy
I'd give that a yes for Tyrone Calico. I don't think he has ever played again since that play.He really needs to be suspended. Fining isn't working.
He's one of those guys where many would applaud if he was carted off - but NOT because he seemed to be doing okay.
redman
Footballguy
At this point I'm actually rooting that he does get hurt - the only player in the NFL I'd say that about. I think he intentionally injures players. I'm not sure why an "accident" hasn't happened while he was standing next to a pile.
delusional
Footballguy
Calico, Owens, Musa Smith ( break his leg in half on the shin ) and now Watson as far as i can recall for the serious injuries
http://www.tflreport.com/jbpic/r_williams2.jpg owens
http://www.tflreport.com/jbpic/r_williams1.jpg musa
he just doesnt grab them, he hangs on, swings his weight down and ends up under them...bush league
http://www.tflreport.com/jbpic/r_williams2.jpg owens
http://www.tflreport.com/jbpic/r_williams1.jpg musa
he just doesnt grab them, he hangs on, swings his weight down and ends up under them...bush league
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Probably because other NFL players don't believe in conspiracy theories like you do.Rooting for injury to players = Class
Say hi to the ladies in your sewing circle for me. That Roy is just a big bully I tell you!
He does enough in terms of making himself look good to keep making the pro-bowl. Voters notice him knocking the hell out of a running back or reciever, the few picks he makes and the occasional forced fumble. Alot just see that and vote, at least I assume.
Dallas is arguably the best team in the NFC, but I honestly believe he is the difference in them winning and losing in the playoffs. I don't think his pass coverage is about to improve, and so as long as he's there, theyre only going to be able to get so far.
Dallas is arguably the best team in the NFC, but I honestly believe he is the difference in them winning and losing in the playoffs. I don't think his pass coverage is about to improve, and so as long as he's there, theyre only going to be able to get so far.
Brother Mouzone
Footballguy
I very much agree. The guy single handedly changes games - but not in Dallas' favor. He has a handful of instances where he blows coverage on third and long for huge gains. That's not the type of guy you want to rely on in big games.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Yeah, that's it. Nice reading comprehension. Are you the crusty old man in the NFLST commercials?He injured enough people that they made a rule with his name on it to prevent that. Now he's found a way around it and injured another player in pretty much the same way. Injuries happen in football, we all understand that. Not the same thing here.
On The Rocks
Footballguy
I will agree with this. He is a very "good" player....but no where near equal to his hype.
How are you supposed to tackle someone from behind?? The best thing is not to let them get behind you I realize that, but the rule is not a very good rule in the 1st place. Roy is a good guy, a liablity in coverage and overated, but he does not go out there to hurt anyone. All you guys that are calling for someone to hurt him next to a pile or something are worse than he is.Every game I watch I see at least one horse-collar tackle. Not every Cowboys game, but every game. Urlacher did it against Minnesota and got up laughing on Sunday. Twice this past weekend I was watching college games where the announcers pointed out a horse collar tackle and said that the NCAA should implement the same rule. Williams might have "perfected" it, but lets don't kid ourselves that it doesn't go on all the time.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Maybe he could ask every other player in the league who does it without a resume of season ending injuries. Name one other person who has injured even half the people Williams has with tackles from behind, in the few years that Williams has been in the league.You can't? Me either. That means that either:1. Williams makes SO MANY more tackles than everyone else, it's just the law of averages.or2. The way he tackles people is much more likely to cause injury.jturner01 said:
3 Maybe the fact he gets burned so much and plays form out of position. It is a stupid rule. It does not get enforced that much except for Roy. Pay attention to gther games and you will see it happens more often than you think.
twitch
Footballguy
Its basically what he did to Watson on Sunday. Those linked pictures are exactly how he had Watson tied up. Jim Nantz' commentary on the tackle, "ridden to the ground by Roy Williams". thats just what he does. he didnt have to tackle Watson the way he did. He locks his leg up underneath these guys and it pins them in the position where bad things happen. its not tackling. its basically dirty. there's no other way to put it. no need to. you cant defend it. The Watson tackle he wasnt even behind. He was to his side. he didnt try to hit him and drive thru his body. He grabbed him, and immediately dropped all of his weight and threw the leg up underneath. Luckily, Watson's foot spun back in place before they landed, or that thing would have snapped like a twig. just textbook dirty as far as tackling goes. He went low on Brady on a blitz on the 2nd play of the game. Again, Nantz commentary immediately reflected it. "That was Roy Williams running in. Actually went right at the knees of Brady". Good guy? Maybe so, but definitely not while playing the game. But if youre a fan of the other team, youve gotta love the coverage skills.delusional said:
The_Man
Footballguy
I was there when Williams snapped Musa Smith's leg like a twig. It was horrible.
The real problem with his tackles isn't grabbing the collar, it's grabbing the collar as he throws himself across the back of the ball-carrier's legs, and then pulls backward and down.
I'm beginning to wonder if the players are going to start enforcing a little frontier justice on Williams since the NFL seems incapable of getting him to reform.
The real problem with his tackles isn't grabbing the collar, it's grabbing the collar as he throws himself across the back of the ball-carrier's legs, and then pulls backward and down.
I'm beginning to wonder if the players are going to start enforcing a little frontier justice on Williams since the NFL seems incapable of getting him to reform.
LILB811
Footballguy
Also agree with point number 3 a couple posts up. The guy gets burned so much that he always has to bring players down from behind. His tackling technique is very, very dangerous to the health of other players. The league implemented the penalty to try and avoid injuries.For the guy that said "Cry me a river. Has he ended a career?", I guess they should abolish that roughing the passer rule, and the helmet-to-helmet hit penalties, the chop block penalties. Might as well let guys do whatever they want on the field. Bottom line is that the rule is there to protect players from injury, and Roy can't even follow a rule that was specifically designed about him because the guy simply does not know how to tackle.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
OK. Assuming for a second that your point is true, please share with us the other LBs/DBs in the league who have injured as many people as RW.3 Maybe the fact he gets burned so much and plays form out of position. It is a stupid rule. It does not get enforced that much except for Roy. Pay attention to gther games and you will see it happens more often than you think.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
"Bring back the clothesline tackle! What is this, hopscotch?"
redman
Footballguy
You're a tough guy because you root for a player with a history of injuring people.monkeysee said:
How pathetic. Yeah, I hope he gets injured. Specifically, I hope it's a fractured tibia or fibula, just like he gives to other people. It'll end his season, which is just. I hope it hurts too, and I hope he takes it as a lesson. It's far more just than paying a few thousand dollars of a millions of dollars salary/bonus when he ends guys seasons and jeopardizes their careers.As for class, who has less class, the guy who thinks a player recklessly (at best) causing injuries should experience what he inflicts upon others, or the person who defends his malice? Go blubber to someone else.
Zow
Footballguy
Do you know him personally or have other legitimate reasons as to why you think you can make a conclusion about a man's subjective intent??But regardless, I think the rule is necessary given the injuries that form of tackling can cause. As for how you can tackle from behind, I assume if you can get close enough to grab up high around the collar you can just as easily (if not easier) wrap up the waist or the legs.jturner01 said:AhrnCityPahnder said:How are you supposed to tackle someone from behind?? The best thing is not to let them get behind you I realize that, but the rule is not a very good rule in the 1st place. Roy is a good guy, a liablity in coverage and overated, but he does not go out there to hurt anyone. All you guys that are calling for someone to hurt him next to a pile or something are worse than he is.
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redman
Footballguy
He has his Fathead on his bedroom wall and, well, he just looks like a nice guy.Do you know him personally or have other legitimate reasons as to why you think you can make a conclusion about a man's subjective intent??jturner01 said:AhrnCityPahnder said:How are you supposed to tackle someone from behind?? The best thing is not to let them get behind you I realize that, but the rule is not a very good rule in the 1st place. Roy is a good guy, a liablity in coverage and overated, but he does not go out there to hurt anyone. All you guys that are calling for someone to hurt him next to a pile or something are worse than he is.
The Jerk
Footballguy
"Bring back the clothesline tackle! What is this, hopscotch?"
And defensive linemen should be allowed to use headslaps again -- real popular with the neurosurgeons.For as bad as Roy may be at times at pass coverage he is that good at helping on run defense. I'd like to see him at LB at some point but over the last 30 years there have been A LOT of safeties that have a reputation for causing injury. It's the position most likely to get free shots, catch someone from behind, or get a running start in general. It's also the position that is typically the last resort for a defense to prevent a big gain on any particular play. Roy does what he does well. How many times do you see someone go high on a bigger player and get shrugged off or have the tackle broken? With Roy you rarely see a broken tackle.
That said, my gut says the upright style of Adrian Peterson and the tackling style of Roy Williams will be interesting to watch this weekend.
That said, my gut says the upright style of Adrian Peterson and the tackling style of Roy Williams will be interesting to watch this weekend.
Wu-banger
Footballguy
I was thinking the same thing ... this could end up really bad for AD. Williams should be in the box all day against the Vikings.
UOFI_316
Footballguy
From what I understand, what Urlacher did was not a horse collar tackle, per the rules. they few times I have heard it talked about, the key is that you are grabbing inside the shoulderpads, and then yanking them down. In Urlacher's case he had a handful of jersey, but none of the pads, therefore by the rules it was legal. I have seen many other cases in the Bears games where DB have gone inside the pads, but did not get called for it because of the way the players fell to the ground. If there is not the backwards jerking of the offensive player, it seems it will not get called.
The rule was expanded to include the back of the jersey in 2006. And it has nothing to do with how they fall to the ground, just that the player is grasped and immediately pulled to the ground.
Phurfur
Footballguy
And how do you know that?jturner01 said:AhrnCityPahnder said:How are you supposed to tackle someone from behind?? The best thing is not to let them get behind you I realize that, but the rule is not a very good rule in the 1st place.
Roy is a good guy, a liablity in coverage and overated, but he does not go out there to hurt anyone. All you guys that are calling for someone to hurt him next to a pile or something are worse than he is.
Because Roy said soAnd how do you know that?jturner01 said:AhrnCityPahnder said:How are you supposed to tackle someone from behind?? The best thing is not to let them get behind you I realize that, but the rule is not a very good rule in the 1st place.
Roy is a good guy, a liablity in coverage and overated, but he does not go out there to hurt anyone. All you guys that are calling for someone to hurt him next to a pile or something are worse than he is.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
That's not quite correct. The definition is "grabbing the shoulder pad and using leverage to propel into the back of the ballcarrier". The back of the jersey has been added, as was note above. So it it has everything to do with how the tackler falls to the ground.IIRC, Urlacher grabbed the guy and yanked him down but didn't bring the guy down by throwing down his weight from behind. The part that injures players isn;t getting grabbed from behind, it's having someone's weight pulling you backwards, often trapping the legs or seriously tweaking the knees.
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It would be nice if you bold my entire statement, where I clearly stated that it involves the tackler grasping the collar and immediately pulling the runner to the ground. My statement that it has nothing to do with how they fall to the ground addresses the last statement you made that it often traps the legs. The legs do not have to be trapped for it to be a horse collar tackle.And could you explain how a tackler could pull a runner to the ground from behind without using the weight of his body (which Urlacher clearly did on that play)?mad sweeney said:
