Rudi Johnson a buy low? (1 Viewer)

[Rev]

I've seen alot of guys shopping Rudi around lately, since he's apparently leveled off as a "good but not great" RB. Alot of owners would rather break the bank for SJax, Gore, and opt for Addai, Moroney, or MJD ahead of Rudi at this point.

Yet I have this nagging sense that Rudi's stock is going to rise big next year. Palmer and the Bengels O was down last year and Rudi still had impressive stats. He's plateaued for a couple years but has some room left to develop, IMO. He's young and still improving in his vision and ability to make plays between tackles, and I also think he's improving as a pass blocker and receiver. He's incredibly durable, and can be counted on every week to be on the field getting touches without being hampered by injury or being challanged for playing time.

Anyone else see 2007 as a pivotal year for Rudi to break through to the next level?

 

[BigTex]

Rudi has been a top ten running back since he became the starter, he's the most underrated rb in football. There's no way in hell I'd take Addai, Moroney, or MJD over Rudi at this point.

 

[fruity pebbles]

I think at this point he is what he is. A back capable of getting you around 1500 total yards and a dozen TDs.

 

[videoguy505]

I don't see him improving much over his output from the last couple of years. He is good but not great. He is the RB on a pass-first team. He doesn't have the big bursts as often and his schedule next year doesn't seem to be favorable.

That said, I'd expect more of the same. He's consistent. If you're getting value over where he's produced the last three years, take it.

 

[RC94]

I am curious what you guys think buying Rudi low is going to cost. He is still expensive in my dynasty leagues.

 

[BigTex]

I am curious what you guys think buying Rudi low is going to cost. He is still expensive in my dynasty leagues.

Rudi has done nothing to be a buy low candidate. He had the toughest run schedule this past season and still produced. The question should be: Why would he be a buy low candidate?

 

[-OZ-]

I am curious what you guys think buying Rudi low is going to cost. He is still expensive in my dynasty leagues.

Rudi has done nothing to be a buy low candidate. He had the toughest run schedule this past season and still produced. The question should be: Why would he be a buy low candidate?

because he's1. underrated2. not "young"3. "unsexy"4. Doesn't get the hype because he has CJ and Palmer on his team.He is a value play, but I don't see his value increasing, so I'm thinking "buy low" isn't the correct term.

 

[billyjoe]

I am curious what you guys think buying Rudi low is going to cost. He is still expensive in my dynasty leagues.

Rudi has done nothing to be a buy low candidate. He had the toughest run schedule this past season and still produced. The question should be: Why would he be a buy low candidate?

This topic isn't that hard to grasp.Rudi is generally very much underrated. Go check the FBGs consensus forum rankings

Dynasty RB rankings

He's ranked 14th. He's lumped in with Addai and McGahee.

So we have a guy who's consistently a top 10 RB, who by general consensus isn't a top 10 RB.

Buy low means he's worth more then is generally accepted. Rudi is extremely underrated. Thus we have a good buy low. It's not rocket science. It has nothing to do with your personal rankings (since this thread is for people trying to get Rudi, not people who own him - hench the word BUY). You’re concerned with what Rudi owners might feel. And the lack of love see on here (shown in numerous threads) he simply doesn’t get the credit he deserves.

FBG Staff rank him 8th

Forum 14th

That’s a nice little edge when trying to acquire guys in dynasty leagues. And I agree with the OP, Bengals offense should be returning the 2005 form.

 

[TME]

I've seen alot of guys shopping Rudi around lately, since he's apparently leveled off as a "good but not great" RB. Alot of owners would rather break the bank for SJax, Gore, and opt for Addai, Moroney, or MJD ahead of Rudi at this point.

Yet I have this nagging sense that Rudi's stock is going to rise big next year. Palmer and the Bengels O was down last year and Rudi still had impressive stats. He's plateaued for a couple years but has some room left to develop, IMO. He's young and still improving in his vision and ability to make plays between tackles, and I also think he's improving as a pass blocker and receiver. He's incredibly durable, and can be counted on every week to be on the field getting touches without being hampered by injury or being challanged for playing time.

Anyone else see 2007 as a pivotal year for Rudi to break through to the next level?

What makes you say this? Rudi is solid. A stud with the ball in his hands between the tackles, but not a game breaker. What you see is what you get. I do not see any surprises down the road. Why/how is he improving as a pass blocker and receiver? He's a two down back. He's never even in on 3rd down.The great thing about Rudi is as you said, he will get his touches and TD and will not miss games or fumble. But, he's at his peak now. Because he's not an everydown back, he's never going to be a 2,000 yard guy and because the offense has weapons like CJ, Housh and Henry, he'll probably never be a 20 TD guy either. But, you have to like what you get.

 

[BigTex]

I am curious what you guys think buying Rudi low is going to cost. He is still expensive in my dynasty leagues.

Rudi has done nothing to be a buy low candidate. He had the toughest run schedule this past season and still produced. The question should be: Why would he be a buy low candidate?

This topic isn't that hard to grasp.Rudi is generally very much underrated. Go check the FBGs consensus forum rankings

Dynasty RB rankings

He's ranked 14th. He's lumped in with Addai and McGahee.

So we have a guy who's consistently a top 10 RB, who by general consensus isn't a top 10 RB.

Buy low means he's worth more then is generally accepted. Rudi is extremely underrated. Thus we have a good buy low. It's not rocket science. It has nothing to do with your personal rankings (since this thread is for people trying to get Rudi, not people who own him - hench the word BUY). You’re concerned with what Rudi owners might feel. And the lack of love see on here (shown in numerous threads) he simply doesn’t get the credit he deserves.

FBG Staff rank him 8th

Forum 14th

That’s a nice little edge when trying to acquire guys in dynasty leagues. And I agree with the OP, Bengals offense should be returning the 2005 form.

There's not one owner of Rudi you'll find on this or any other board for that matter that'll sell Rudi low I can promise you that. Please show me my personal ranking of Rudi.........don't look because you won't find it.I repeat you'll find not one owner that'll sell him cheap because those that'll have him know what his true value is (top ten year-in year-out). IMHO the Staff ranking is closer than the forum's.

 

[billyjoe]

I am curious what you guys think buying Rudi low is going to cost. He is still expensive in my dynasty leagues.

Rudi has done nothing to be a buy low candidate. He had the toughest run schedule this past season and still produced. The question should be: Why would he be a buy low candidate?

This topic isn't that hard to grasp.Rudi is generally very much underrated. Go check the FBGs consensus forum rankings

Dynasty RB rankings

He's ranked 14th. He's lumped in with Addai and McGahee.

So we have a guy who's consistently a top 10 RB, who by general consensus isn't a top 10 RB.

Buy low means he's worth more then is generally accepted. Rudi is extremely underrated. Thus we have a good buy low. It's not rocket science. It has nothing to do with your personal rankings (since this thread is for people trying to get Rudi, not people who own him - hench the word BUY). You’re concerned with what Rudi owners might feel. And the lack of love see on here (shown in numerous threads) he simply doesn’t get the credit he deserves.

FBG Staff rank him 8th

Forum 14th

That’s a nice little edge when trying to acquire guys in dynasty leagues. And I agree with the OP, Bengals offense should be returning the 2005 form.

There's not one owner of Rudi you'll find on this or any other board for that matter that'll sell Rudi low I can promise you that. Please show me my personal ranking of Rudi.........don't look because you won't find it.I repeat you'll find not one owner that'll sell him cheap because those that'll have him know what his true value is (top ten year-in year-out). IMHO the Staff ranking is closer than the forum's.

You really lack a basic grasp of FF terminology.If people generally view Addai > Rudi. The Rudi owner wouldn't be selling low now would he? It has nothing to do with sell low. No one mentioned that.

And yes, the staff ranking is closer to his true value. THAT'S THE POINT. After weeks of polling, Rudi landed in the 14-16 range. I'm sure ADPs will mirror this. That's the usefulness of FBGs/Polls. We can gauge the general FF perceived value for players. When we notice this disparities, we send our feelers to the Rudi owner. Will the Rudi owner in every league sell him? Probably not. There's 100,000s of leagues. I don't care about your league. I care about if there is a disparity, I'm going to see if my leagues owner falls in line with the herd, or falls in line with the staff.

It's been known for years Rudi is underrated. He gets no highlights, no pub, no ink, he's not sexy. CJ vaulted himself into elite status with dancing. Lots and lots of FFers rely on ESPN highlights. Not everyone has DirectTV season pass. There are people who are underrated. It's not earth shattering to admit this.

 

[BigTex]

I am curious what you guys think buying Rudi low is going to cost. He is still expensive in my dynasty leagues.

Rudi has done nothing to be a buy low candidate. He had the toughest run schedule this past season and still produced. The question should be: Why would he be a buy low candidate?

This topic isn't that hard to grasp.Rudi is generally very much underrated. Go check the FBGs consensus forum rankings

Dynasty RB rankings

He's ranked 14th. He's lumped in with Addai and McGahee.

So we have a guy who's consistently a top 10 RB, who by general consensus isn't a top 10 RB.

Buy low means he's worth more then is generally accepted. Rudi is extremely underrated. Thus we have a good buy low. It's not rocket science. It has nothing to do with your personal rankings (since this thread is for people trying to get Rudi, not people who own him - hench the word BUY). You’re concerned with what Rudi owners might feel. And the lack of love see on here (shown in numerous threads) he simply doesn’t get the credit he deserves.

FBG Staff rank him 8th

Forum 14th

That’s a nice little edge when trying to acquire guys in dynasty leagues. And I agree with the OP, Bengals offense should be returning the 2005 form.

There's not one owner of Rudi you'll find on this or any other board for that matter that'll sell Rudi low I can promise you that. Please show me my personal ranking of Rudi.........don't look because you won't find it.I repeat you'll find not one owner that'll sell him cheap because those that'll have him know what his true value is (top ten year-in year-out). IMHO the Staff ranking is closer than the forum's.

You really lack a basic grasp of FF terminology.If people generally view Addai > Rudi. The Rudi owner wouldn't be selling low now would he? It has nothing to do with sell low. No one mentioned that.

And yes, the staff ranking is closer to his true value. THAT'S THE POINT. After weeks of polling, Rudi landed in the 14-16 range. I'm sure ADPs will mirror this. That's the usefulness of FBGs/Polls. We can gauge the general FF perceived value for players. When we notice this disparities, we send our feelers to the Rudi owner. Will the Rudi owner in every league sell him? Probably not. There's 100,000s of leagues. I don't care about your league. I care about if there is a disparity, I'm going to see if my leagues owner falls in line with the herd, or falls in line with the staff.

It's been known for years Rudi is underrated. He gets no highlights, no pub, no ink, he's not sexy. CJ vaulted himself into elite status with dancing. Lots and lots of FFers rely on ESPN highlights. Not everyone has DirectTV season pass. There are people who are underrated. It's not earth shattering to admit this.

LOLIn order to buy low there must be a seller. The only disparity is coming from "NON" Rudi owners.

It's obvious you missed this part of the original post: "I've seen alot of guys shopping Rudi around lately"

 

[billyjoe]

I am curious what you guys think buying Rudi low is going to cost. He is still expensive in my dynasty leagues.

Rudi has done nothing to be a buy low candidate. He had the toughest run schedule this past season and still produced. The question should be: Why would he be a buy low candidate?

This topic isn't that hard to grasp.Rudi is generally very much underrated. Go check the FBGs consensus forum rankings

Dynasty RB rankings

He's ranked 14th. He's lumped in with Addai and McGahee.

So we have a guy who's consistently a top 10 RB, who by general consensus isn't a top 10 RB.

Buy low means he's worth more then is generally accepted. Rudi is extremely underrated. Thus we have a good buy low. It's not rocket science. It has nothing to do with your personal rankings (since this thread is for people trying to get Rudi, not people who own him - hench the word BUY). You’re concerned with what Rudi owners might feel. And the lack of love see on here (shown in numerous threads) he simply doesn’t get the credit he deserves.

FBG Staff rank him 8th

Forum 14th

That’s a nice little edge when trying to acquire guys in dynasty leagues. And I agree with the OP, Bengals offense should be returning the 2005 form.

There's not one owner of Rudi you'll find on this or any other board for that matter that'll sell Rudi low I can promise you that. Please show me my personal ranking of Rudi.........don't look because you won't find it.I repeat you'll find not one owner that'll sell him cheap because those that'll have him know what his true value is (top ten year-in year-out). IMHO the Staff ranking is closer than the forum's.

You really lack a basic grasp of FF terminology.If people generally view Addai > Rudi. The Rudi owner wouldn't be selling low now would he? It has nothing to do with sell low. No one mentioned that.

And yes, the staff ranking is closer to his true value. THAT'S THE POINT. After weeks of polling, Rudi landed in the 14-16 range. I'm sure ADPs will mirror this. That's the usefulness of FBGs/Polls. We can gauge the general FF perceived value for players. When we notice this disparities, we send our feelers to the Rudi owner. Will the Rudi owner in every league sell him? Probably not. There's 100,000s of leagues. I don't care about your league. I care about if there is a disparity, I'm going to see if my leagues owner falls in line with the herd, or falls in line with the staff.

It's been known for years Rudi is underrated. He gets no highlights, no pub, no ink, he's not sexy. CJ vaulted himself into elite status with dancing. Lots and lots of FFers rely on ESPN highlights. Not everyone has DirectTV season pass. There are people who are underrated. It's not earth shattering to admit this.

LOLIn order to buy low there must be a seller. The only disparity is coming from "NON" Rudi owners.

It's obvious you missed this part of the original post: "I've seen alot of guys shopping Rudi around lately"

So he's a liar? Why is Rev making this stuff up? Relax, you own Rudi, you won't trade him cheaply. We get that. Move on.I've also see a few people willing to shop Rudi. It's not unthinkable you know. Did you see the "Time to dump LJ 400+ carries" threads? People move studs all the time.

I've seen a number of Rudi trades, and I always though the Rudi owner was getting the short end of the stick. Rud is without question underrated by most FFers.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

I don't think you're gonna get any RB that is going to handle 75% or more of the touches very cheaply.

 

[Yah_Shoor_Yoobetchya]

I don't think you're gonna get any RB that is going to handle 75% or more of the touches very cheaply.

Especially with more and more teams going to the dreaded "two-back system" ala TJones/Benson, Fred/MJD, Dillon/Maroney, Addai/Rhodes, Bell/Bell, JJones/MBIII.

 

[BassNBrew]

Problem is his lack of receptions will prevent him from moving into the elite catagory. The reason he's ranked so low is the limited upside. Last year he was comparable in ranking to SJax and Caddy. Rudi was the conservative pick, but many owners feel they need to swing for the fences to win.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

I don't think you're gonna get any RB that is going to handle 75% or more of the touches very cheaply.

Especially with more and more teams going to the dreaded "two-back system" ala TJones/Benson, Fred/MJD, Dillon/Maroney, Addai/Rhodes, Bell/Bell, JJones/MBIII.

The fact that the final four teams in the playoffs all had RBBC systems is just going to lead to more of this for sure....

 

[BigTex]

I am curious what you guys think buying Rudi low is going to cost. He is still expensive in my dynasty leagues.

Rudi has done nothing to be a buy low candidate. He had the toughest run schedule this past season and still produced. The question should be: Why would he be a buy low candidate?

This topic isn't that hard to grasp.Rudi is generally very much underrated. Go check the FBGs consensus forum rankings

Dynasty RB rankings

He's ranked 14th. He's lumped in with Addai and McGahee.

So we have a guy who's consistently a top 10 RB, who by general consensus isn't a top 10 RB.

Buy low means he's worth more then is generally accepted. Rudi is extremely underrated. Thus we have a good buy low. It's not rocket science. It has nothing to do with your personal rankings (since this thread is for people trying to get Rudi, not people who own him - hench the word BUY). You’re concerned with what Rudi owners might feel. And the lack of love see on here (shown in numerous threads) he simply doesn’t get the credit he deserves.

FBG Staff rank him 8th

Forum 14th

That’s a nice little edge when trying to acquire guys in dynasty leagues. And I agree with the OP, Bengals offense should be returning the 2005 form.

There's not one owner of Rudi you'll find on this or any other board for that matter that'll sell Rudi low I can promise you that. Please show me my personal ranking of Rudi.........don't look because you won't find it.I repeat you'll find not one owner that'll sell him cheap because those that'll have him know what his true value is (top ten year-in year-out). IMHO the Staff ranking is closer than the forum's.

You really lack a basic grasp of FF terminology.If people generally view Addai > Rudi. The Rudi owner wouldn't be selling low now would he? It has nothing to do with sell low. No one mentioned that.

And yes, the staff ranking is closer to his true value. THAT'S THE POINT. After weeks of polling, Rudi landed in the 14-16 range. I'm sure ADPs will mirror this. That's the usefulness of FBGs/Polls. We can gauge the general FF perceived value for players. When we notice this disparities, we send our feelers to the Rudi owner. Will the Rudi owner in every league sell him? Probably not. There's 100,000s of leagues. I don't care about your league. I care about if there is a disparity, I'm going to see if my leagues owner falls in line with the herd, or falls in line with the staff.

It's been known for years Rudi is underrated. He gets no highlights, no pub, no ink, he's not sexy. CJ vaulted himself into elite status with dancing. Lots and lots of FFers rely on ESPN highlights. Not everyone has DirectTV season pass. There are people who are underrated. It's not earth shattering to admit this.

LOLIn order to buy low there must be a seller. The only disparity is coming from "NON" Rudi owners.

It's obvious you missed this part of the original post: "I've seen alot of guys shopping Rudi around lately"

So he's a liar? Why is Rev making this stuff up? Relax, you own Rudi, you won't trade him cheaply. We get that. Move on.I've also see a few people willing to shop Rudi. It's not unthinkable you know. Did you see the "Time to dump LJ 400+ carries" threads? People move studs all the time.

I've seen a number of Rudi trades, and I always though the Rudi owner was getting the short end of the stick. Rud is without question underrated by most FFers.

Who said he was untradable? Do you actual know someone who dumped LJ? Your reading and comprehension are at odds.

 

[Tag]

I don't think you're gonna get any RB that is going to handle 75% or more of the touches very cheaply.

Especially with more and more teams going to the dreaded "two-back system" ala TJones/Benson, Fred/MJD, Dillon/Maroney, Addai/Rhodes, Bell/Bell, JJones/MBIII.

The fact that the final four teams in the playoffs all had RBBC systems is just going to lead to more of this for sure....

I dont think the Chargers are all of a sudden go to a RBBC just because some other teams have had success. It all boils down to the starting RB you have. If you have a RBBC its because you dont have a RB that can carry the load.

 

[Yitbos69]

I am a Rudi owner and I would not sell him low....his value is that you know what you are going to get year in and year out Top Ten Finish...much like Holt at WR

 

[BigTex]

I am a Rudi owner and I would not sell him low....his value is that you know what you are going to get year in and year out Top Ten Finish...much like Holt at WR

No owner's selling low. Rudi is as consistant as it gets.

 

[Yah_Shoor_Yoobetchya]

I don't think you're gonna get any RB that is going to handle 75% or more of the touches very cheaply.

Especially with more and more teams going to the dreaded "two-back system" ala TJones/Benson, Fred/MJD, Dillon/Maroney, Addai/Rhodes, Bell/Bell, JJones/MBIII.

The fact that the final four teams in the playoffs all had RBBC systems is just going to lead to more of this for sure....

I dont think the Chargers are all of a sudden go to a RBBC just because some other teams have had success. It all boils down to the starting RB you have. If you have a RBBC its because you dont have a RB that can carry the load.

I think what we're saying is there seems to be a trend to a "Two-headed monster" approach at RB in order to have fresher legs down the stretch rather than an "Eddie George-type" run-him-and-him-only-until-he-can't-run-anymore philosophy.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

I have targeted Rudi @ RB and P. Manning @ QB since 2004 due to the two of them being perhaps two of the lowest risks in the draft. I know when I take them what I will get.

And for people saying Rudi is not elite, he finished RB8 in my main league. It is all relative. That league is a 16-team dynasty....RB8 is elite.

Anyone who is trading Rudi better have weak WR corps, or something, because there is no reason to trade him right now.

 

[BassNBrew]

And for people saying Rudi is not elite, he finished RB8 in my main league. It is all relative. That league is a 16-team dynasty....RB8 is elite.

Well he's "elite" in my 56 team dynasty league, however I generally speak around here in terms of the standard 12 team league.

 

[Da Guru]

I think at this point he is what he is. A back capable of getting you around 1500 total yards and a dozen TDs.

And the aint too shabby.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

I don't think you're gonna get any RB that is going to handle 75% or more of the touches very cheaply.

Especially with more and more teams going to the dreaded "two-back system" ala TJones/Benson, Fred/MJD, Dillon/Maroney, Addai/Rhodes, Bell/Bell, JJones/MBIII.

The fact that the final four teams in the playoffs all had RBBC systems is just going to lead to more of this for sure....

I dont think the Chargers are all of a sudden go to a RBBC just because some other teams have had success. It all boils down to the starting RB you have. If you have a RBBC its because you dont have a RB that can carry the load.

I think what we're saying is there seems to be a trend to a "Two-headed monster" approach at RB in order to have fresher legs down the stretch rather than an "Eddie George-type" run-him-and-him-only-until-he-can't-run-anymore philosophy.

No, San Diego won't, and I'm sure KC won't either. But in the 'copycat' league the NFL is, look for more Cover-2 defensive schemes, and more RBBC. I also think the fact that Lovie Smith made it to the Super Bowl in 3 seasons, coupled with the fact that Mangini and Sean Payton turned their franchises around has a lot to do with some of the hirings of all of these first time NFL head coaches.It's a copycat league... face it.

 

[David Yudkin]

I have targeted Rudi @ RB and P. Manning @ QB since 2004 due to the two of them being perhaps two of the lowest risks in the draft. I know when I take them what I will get.And for people saying Rudi is not elite, he finished RB8 in my main league. It is all relative. That league is a 16-team dynasty....RB8 is elite.Anyone who is trading Rudi better have weak WR corps, or something, because there is no reason to trade him right now.

The perception of Rudi being solid but not elite is extremely accurate. While he has ranked in the Top 10 for the past three seasons, his points scored total is pretty far off from the top tier of RBs. In 2006, with another 50 points scored in standard scoring leagues, he would have upped his ranking from 9th to 6th. Had he LOST 50 points, he would have slid to 24th.In 2005, with another 50 points he would have climbed from 7th to 5th. Had he lost 50 points, he would have slipped to 13th.In 2004, with another 50 points, he would have climbed from 8th to 5th. But with a 50 point loss he would have dropped to 20th.Bottom line, Rudi is could enough to rank in the bottom third of the Top 10, but he's shown no signs of getting a ton more TD or turning into a receiving back. So it seems pretty reasonable to expect more of the same from Johnson but not much more. And that level of production is not at the level of the top tier RBs.He has been consistent and reliable, so you generally know what you are getting with Johnson. But as others have mentioned, he's unlikely to get much more than 1500 total yards and 12 TDs. That's still very good production but I doubt he'll even be in the Top 5.

 

[Yitbos69]

I have targeted Rudi @ RB and P. Manning @ QB since 2004 due to the two of them being perhaps two of the lowest risks in the draft. I know when I take them what I will get.And for people saying Rudi is not elite, he finished RB8 in my main league. It is all relative. That league is a 16-team dynasty....RB8 is elite.Anyone who is trading Rudi better have weak WR corps, or something, because there is no reason to trade him right now.

The perception of Rudi being solid but not elite is extremely accurate. While he has ranked in the Top 10 for the past three seasons, his points scored total is pretty far off from the top tier of RBs. In 2006, with another 50 points scored in standard scoring leagues, he would have upped his ranking from 9th to 6th. Had he LOST 50 points, he would have slid to 24th.In 2005, with another 50 points he would have climbed from 7th to 5th. Had he lost 50 points, he would have slipped to 13th.In 2004, with another 50 points, he would have climbed from 8th to 5th. But with a 50 point loss he would have dropped to 20th.Bottom line, Rudi is could enough to rank in the bottom third of the Top 10, but he's shown no signs of getting a ton more TD or turning into a receiving back. So it seems pretty reasonable to expect more of the same from Johnson but not much more. And that level of production is not at the level of the top tier RBs.He has been consistent and reliable, so you generally know what you are getting with Johnson. But as others have mentioned, he's unlikely to get much more than 1500 total yards and 12 TDs. That's still very good production but I doubt he'll even be in the Top 5.

I think thats the point! You know what you are getting. I don't think any one is saying he should be taken in the top 5. I would take him with the 8th pick for sure! A guy like Gore has way more upside but is a greater risk based on his past injury problems.Is Rudi a buy low? Not even close....But he is not a sell high either

 

[Riffraff]

Most leagues start 2 RBs.

Start Rudi for guaranteed points.

Start your personal flavor of the moment at the other spot.

 

[Garts]

Considering half of the Bengals OL was hurt for most of the year and at times 4 of the 5 starters were back-ups or rookies, I'd say Rudi played great last year....now if everyone is back and healthy, he could have his best year yet.

 

[-OZ-]

Rudi isn't a buy low, but he's probably a "draft low".

 

[Banger]

Rudi is what he is, a 2 down workhorse back that averages a tad over 4.0 ypc on a good offense. He's solid but not spectacular.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

Rudi is what he is, a 2 down workhorse back that averages a tad over 4.0 ypc on a good offense. He's solid but not spectacular.

1450-1500 rushing yards is not spectacular anymore? Have we become that greedy in FF circles?

 

[David Yudkin]

Rudi is what he is, a 2 down workhorse back that averages a tad over 4.0 ypc on a good offense. He's solid but not spectacular.

1450-1500 rushing yards is not spectacular anymore? Have we become that greedy in FF circles?

He's ranked 10th in yards from scrimmage by RBs each of the past 3 seasons. He is what he is . . . a reliable, dependable mid- to late- first round pick. He's worth every penny, but the likelihood of him putting up LT or LJ like numbers is pretty slim. There's probably no one better to pick in a redraft at the point he is normally available and he's definitely a good pick at that point . . . just don't expect him to evolve into a true uber stud.

 

[BigTex]

Rudi is what he is, a 2 down workhorse back that averages a tad over 4.0 ypc on a good offense. He's solid but not spectacular.

1450-1500 rushing yards is not spectacular anymore? Have we become that greedy in FF circles?

He's ranked 10th in yards from scrimmage by RBs each of the past 3 seasons. He is what he is . . . a reliable, dependable mid- to late- first round pick. He's worth every penny, but the likelihood of him putting up LT or LJ like numbers is pretty slim. There's probably no one better to pick in a redraft at the point he is normally available and he's definitely a good pick at that point . . . just don't expect him to evolve into a true uber stud.

Mr. Yudkin,In all fairness not too many will/can achieve studship when compared to LT/LJ. But being in the top ten since becoming a starter says something. If I'm not mistaking if finished 7th twice and 9th once in rushing. Were would you rank Rudi?

 

[Banger]

Rudi is what he is, a 2 down workhorse back that averages a tad over 4.0 ypc on a good offense. He's solid but not spectacular.

1450-1500 rushing yards is not spectacular anymore? Have we become that greedy in FF circles?

He's ranked 10th in yards from scrimmage by RBs each of the past 3 seasons. He is what he is . . . a reliable, dependable mid- to late- first round pick. He's worth every penny, but the likelihood of him putting up LT or LJ like numbers is pretty slim. There's probably no one better to pick in a redraft at the point he is normally available and he's definitely a good pick at that point . . . just don't expect him to evolve into a true uber stud.

Couldn't have said it better. No 1400 yards is not spectacular consider that LT had 2300, LJ 2200, SJax 2300, Gore 2200, Parker 1700, Westy 1900, Tiki 2000, C. Taylor 1500, Deuce 1300, Addai 1300, Betts 1500, Drew 1300, A. Green 1300, etc. 1500-1600 yards is basically his upside unless he significantly improves his ypc (has averaged 4.1) which will probably put him in the 9-12 range yardage wise. His td's are consistent (12/year for 3 years) so you know what you're getting. Spectacular to me is in the 2000+ range which 5 players got last year and Rudi wasn't even close.

 

[Yitbos69]

Rudi has finished in the top Ten 3 years in a row. The only other RB's to do that over the same span LT2 and Tiki and only 3 more finished in the Top Ten 2 out of the last 3 years(SA, EDGE, WESTY). Rudi and only two other RB's have put up 12 or more TD's for 3 straight years(LT2 and Dillon)

Edit to say: Pretty Studly

 

[David Yudkin]

Rudi is what he is, a 2 down workhorse back that averages a tad over 4.0 ypc on a good offense. He's solid but not spectacular.

1450-1500 rushing yards is not spectacular anymore? Have we become that greedy in FF circles?

He's ranked 10th in yards from scrimmage by RBs each of the past 3 seasons. He is what he is . . . a reliable, dependable mid- to late- first round pick. He's worth every penny, but the likelihood of him putting up LT or LJ like numbers is pretty slim. There's probably no one better to pick in a redraft at the point he is normally available and he's definitely a good pick at that point . . . just don't expect him to evolve into a true uber stud.

Mr. Yudkin,In all fairness not too many will/can achieve studship when compared to LT/LJ. But being in the top ten since becoming a starter says something. If I'm not mistaking if finished 7th twice and 9th once in rushing. Were would you rank Rudi?

To be clear (or maybe clearer), I am an ADVOCATE of Rudi. As I said, he is worth what it takes to get him and he will get you a ROI near or at his price tag, but you are probably not going to earn a lot more. I agree that earning what you invested in a first round pick is something to strive for . . . and given that a decent amount of late first round RBs bust he's a very attractive RB to draft.But those owners that draft in front of him will likely have a distinct advantage just based on what those players normally score . . . while those drafting behind Rudi will probably not want to trade much to get him as those other backs average only slightly worse on a ppg basis than Rudi does.So if you draft Rudi you are most likely going to live with Rudi. He's not a sexy pick. But I have yet to hear the following statement: "I won my league this year because I had Rudi Johnson."But another way, based on value, you are going to need to come up with at least one (maybe two) players on your squad that has a value of 100+ to win your league. (It's possible to win with having all of your starters having some much lower value scores, but normally the high value players lead to greater success).In the past three seasons, Johnson's value has been 68, 84, and 54. That's very good, but probably not enough to be the difference maker in winning your league.Rudi's other plus (and minus) is that he plays every week. That's good in that you know he will play. But it's also a negative when you consider that other RBs that may miss a couple of games have a higher PPG average.As for a ranking, IMO Johnson is ranked where he belongs (probably in the 6-8 range). If you can get him I advise drafting him . . . but bear in mind that you know going in that he is pretty much not having a 2000/20 season. I know that 98% of RBs will never have that either, but for some other backs there is still a chance that they might get up that high.IMO, Johnson in CIN = Henry in BUF. Not sexy but productive.

 

[Kai's Hero]

I've seen alot of guys shopping Rudi around lately, since he's apparently leveled off as a "good but not great" RB. Alot of owners would rather break the bank for SJax, Gore, and opt for Addai, Moroney, or MJD ahead of Rudi at this point. Yet I have this nagging sense that Rudi's stock is going to rise big next year. Palmer and the Bengels O was down last year and Rudi still had impressive stats. He's plateaued for a couple years but has some room left to develop, IMO. He's young and still improving in his vision and ability to make plays between tackles, and I also think he's improving as a pass blocker and receiver. He's incredibly durable, and can be counted on every week to be on the field getting touches without being hampered by injury or being challanged for playing time.Anyone else see 2007 as a pivotal year for Rudi to break through to the next level?

What is IMO

 

[Banger]

I've seen alot of guys shopping Rudi around lately, since he's apparently leveled off as a "good but not great" RB. Alot of owners would rather break the bank for SJax, Gore, and opt for Addai, Moroney, or MJD ahead of Rudi at this point. Yet I have this nagging sense that Rudi's stock is going to rise big next year. Palmer and the Bengels O was down last year and Rudi still had impressive stats. He's plateaued for a couple years but has some room left to develop, IMO. He's young and still improving in his vision and ability to make plays between tackles, and I also think he's improving as a pass blocker and receiver. He's incredibly durable, and can be counted on every week to be on the field getting touches without being hampered by injury or being challanged for playing time.Anyone else see 2007 as a pivotal year for Rudi to break through to the next level?

What is IMO

in my opinion..

 

[Yitbos69]

Rudi is what he is, a 2 down workhorse back that averages a tad over 4.0 ypc on a good offense. He's solid but not spectacular.

1450-1500 rushing yards is not spectacular anymore? Have we become that greedy in FF circles?

He's ranked 10th in yards from scrimmage by RBs each of the past 3 seasons. He is what he is . . . a reliable, dependable mid- to late- first round pick. He's worth every penny, but the likelihood of him putting up LT or LJ like numbers is pretty slim. There's probably no one better to pick in a redraft at the point he is normally available and he's definitely a good pick at that point . . . just don't expect him to evolve into a true uber stud.

Mr. Yudkin,In all fairness not too many will/can achieve studship when compared to LT/LJ. But being in the top ten since becoming a starter says something. If I'm not mistaking if finished 7th twice and 9th once in rushing.

Were would you rank Rudi?

To be clear (or maybe clearer), I am an ADVOCATE of Rudi. As I said, he is worth what it takes to get him and he will get you a ROI near or at his price tag, but you are probably not going to earn a lot more. I agree that earning what you invested in a first round pick is something to strive for . . . and given that a decent amount of late first round RBs bust he's a very attractive RB to draft.But those owners that draft in front of him will likely have a distinct advantage just based on what those players normally score . . . while those drafting behind Rudi will probably not want to trade much to get him as those other backs average only slightly worse on a ppg basis than Rudi does.

So if you draft Rudi you are most likely going to live with Rudi. He's not a sexy pick. But I have yet to hear the following statement: "I won my league this year because I had Rudi Johnson."

But another way, based on value, you are going to need to come up with at least one (maybe two) players on your squad that has a value of 100+ to win your league. (It's possible to win with having all of your starters having some much lower value scores, but normally the high value players lead to greater success).

In the past three seasons, Johnson's value has been 68, 84, and 54. That's very good, but probably not enough to be the difference maker in winning your league.

Rudi's other plus (and minus) is that he plays every week. That's good in that you know he will play. But it's also a negative when you consider that other RBs that may miss a couple of games have a higher PPG average.

As for a ranking, IMO Johnson is ranked where he belongs (probably in the 6-8 range). If you can get him I advise drafting him . . . but bear in mind that you know going in that he is pretty much not having a 2000/20 season. I know that 98% of RBs will never have that either, but for some other backs there is still a chance that they might get up that high.

IMO, Johnson in CIN = Henry in BUF. Not sexy but productive.

I don't understand this at all? How can the fact that your 1st round pick will play every game be a Negative in any way?In the league's I play in my player's only get points for the games they play. So if they only play 13 I don't get to use their PPG avg for the Three games they missed!

And Henry put up two very good years in 02 and 03 then two very bad years in 04 and 05 and then a pretty good year in 06.

And by the way I came in second in 2005 and 3rd in 2006 because of Rudi!!

 

[H.K.]

Cincinnati 2007 Opponents

Home:

Baltimore

Cleveland

Pittsburgh

New England

N.Y. Jets

Tennessee

Arizona

St. Louis

Away:

Baltimore

Cleveland

Pittsburgh

Buffalo

Miami

Kansas City

San Francisco

Seattle

Doesn't seem much easier for Rudi this year.

 

[softball]

Rudi Johnson is NOT a Top 10 Back in Pt Per Rec. leagues.

His final numbers always look good, but getting there is extremely ordinary, and far less then spectacular.

Rudi has only 3 games above 20 Fantasy points in a 16 week Fantasy Season, they were weeks 2, 14 and 16. That is a real lack of explosive Fantasy Potential.

He had 4 additional weeks of above 15 Fantasy points but less than 20. And he had 8 weeks below 15 fantasy points.

He looks good at the end, but is no better than a #2 FF RB. He doesn't win you your game in H2H each week, and he doesn't have explosive Fantasy production. He is average at best each week.

Rudi=compiler of stats, but just not that great in FF terms.

 

[David Yudkin]

Rudi is what he is, a 2 down workhorse back that averages a tad over 4.0 ypc on a good offense. He's solid but not spectacular.

1450-1500 rushing yards is not spectacular anymore? Have we become that greedy in FF circles?

He's ranked 10th in yards from scrimmage by RBs each of the past 3 seasons. He is what he is . . . a reliable, dependable mid- to late- first round pick. He's worth every penny, but the likelihood of him putting up LT or LJ like numbers is pretty slim. There's probably no one better to pick in a redraft at the point he is normally available and he's definitely a good pick at that point . . . just don't expect him to evolve into a true uber stud.

Mr. Yudkin,In all fairness not too many will/can achieve studship when compared to LT/LJ. But being in the top ten since becoming a starter says something. If I'm not mistaking if finished 7th twice and 9th once in rushing.

Were would you rank Rudi?

To be clear (or maybe clearer), I am an ADVOCATE of Rudi. As I said, he is worth what it takes to get him and he will get you a ROI near or at his price tag, but you are probably not going to earn a lot more. I agree that earning what you invested in a first round pick is something to strive for . . . and given that a decent amount of late first round RBs bust he's a very attractive RB to draft.But those owners that draft in front of him will likely have a distinct advantage just based on what those players normally score . . . while those drafting behind Rudi will probably not want to trade much to get him as those other backs average only slightly worse on a ppg basis than Rudi does.

So if you draft Rudi you are most likely going to live with Rudi. He's not a sexy pick. But I have yet to hear the following statement: "I won my league this year because I had Rudi Johnson."

But another way, based on value, you are going to need to come up with at least one (maybe two) players on your squad that has a value of 100+ to win your league. (It's possible to win with having all of your starters having some much lower value scores, but normally the high value players lead to greater success).

In the past three seasons, Johnson's value has been 68, 84, and 54. That's very good, but probably not enough to be the difference maker in winning your league.

Rudi's other plus (and minus) is that he plays every week. That's good in that you know he will play. But it's also a negative when you consider that other RBs that may miss a couple of games have a higher PPG average.

As for a ranking, IMO Johnson is ranked where he belongs (probably in the 6-8 range). If you can get him I advise drafting him . . . but bear in mind that you know going in that he is pretty much not having a 2000/20 season. I know that 98% of RBs will never have that either, but for some other backs there is still a chance that they might get up that high.

IMO, Johnson in CIN = Henry in BUF. Not sexy but productive.

I don't understand this at all? How can the fact that your 1st round pick will play every game be a Negative in any way?In the league's I play in my player's only get points for the games they play. So if they only play 13 I don't get to use their PPG avg for the Three games they missed!

And Henry put up two very good years in 02 and 03 then two very bad years in 04 and 05 and then a pretty good year in 06.

And by the way I came in second in 2005 and 3rd in 2006 because of Rudi!!

Yes, Rudi playing every game is a good thing, but in some ways it dilutes his stats. If we use 2004 as an example, Rudi averaged 14.1 ppg in a 0 PPR league (as others have mentioned his value takes a big hit in 1 PPR leagues). Priest Holmes averaged 24.8 ppg. Larry Johnson averaged 26.6 ppg when he took over as the starter. Yet both ranked BELOW Rudi in the yearend rankings because they did not play the entire year at that rate. But clearly having both Holmes and Larry Johnson would have far outscored Rudi Johnson.If you took other RBs that may average more ppg than Rudi does and play PLAYER X (someone else on your fantasy roster) for those 2 or 3 games, I suspect that the totals of those two backs will come close to or equal the production of Rudi Johnson.

Here's another example. In 2005, Drew Bledsoe ranked 6th in overall points scored by QB. But on a PPG basis, he 11th and was a fraction of a point from ranking 15th in PPG. So the question in Bledsoe's case was did he help or hurt a fantasy squad that starts only 1 QB (wither 10 or 12 teams in the league)?

Rudi's value really stems from knowing that he will play and give you a certain amount of known production. That makes him worth it as a security blanket alone. But IMO there are other players that may get drafted after he does that have more firepower to offer even if they do tend to miss some games. (In most of my leagues the player that comes to mind is Westbrook, and I would rather have Westbrook and his chance of missing a few games than Rudi.)

 

[rabidfireweasel]

I think that Rudi's value is completely dependant on situation. If you are a good team that is young with depth at other positions, I think it is a strong time to try to acquire Rudi. He is a dynamite RB1B/2. I think if you are a rebuilding team or unlikely to win in either 2007 or 2008 in dynasty, this is the year to move Rudi- either before the draft, or as soon as injury hits someone that wants to contend. At this point, he is still only twenty seven. Backs 28 and older get harder to move- you hear "He is closing in on 30". Also, if you are genuinely rebuilding, he is probably going to help you more than you would like.

My downside with Rudi is that while he is extremely productive and one of my favorite players, I don't think he is extremely athletic for an NFL feature back. What I mean by this is- he doesn't have a step to lose. Once he does lose a step (whenever that happens), he is going to go into the tank fast. There will be no steady decline where you have notice and prepare. I believe he will go from very productive to back up in one year.

 

[videoguy505]

Agreed that Rudi's a great player to have. But "buy low" suggests you'll be getting him cheap. Rudi doesn't fall to the mid-to-late second round in redrafts. In dynasty, I don't think he's someone you could get cheaply. He's consistently in the RB7-11 range. He's above Corey Dillon and Marion Barber but below SJax and Gore so far. The thing is, everyone knows about what his value is, 1500 and 12 TDs. Yes, that's great for an RB in FF in this day of RBBC, but he's not a "buy low" because his price is fairly concrete. Not many Rudi owners are looking to move him for an unproven "upside" guy.

 

[BigTex]

Rudi is what he is, a 2 down workhorse back that averages a tad over 4.0 ypc on a good offense. He's solid but not spectacular.

1450-1500 rushing yards is not spectacular anymore? Have we become that greedy in FF circles?

He's ranked 10th in yards from scrimmage by RBs each of the past 3 seasons. He is what he is . . . a reliable, dependable mid- to late- first round pick. He's worth every penny, but the likelihood of him putting up LT or LJ like numbers is pretty slim. There's probably no one better to pick in a redraft at the point he is normally available and he's definitely a good pick at that point . . . just don't expect him to evolve into a true uber stud.

Mr. Yudkin,In all fairness not too many will/can achieve studship when compared to LT/LJ. But being in the top ten since becoming a starter says something. If I'm not mistaking if finished 7th twice and 9th once in rushing.

Were would you rank Rudi?

To be clear (or maybe clearer), I am an ADVOCATE of Rudi. As I said, he is worth what it takes to get him and he will get you a ROI near or at his price tag, but you are probably not going to earn a lot more. I agree that earning what you invested in a first round pick is something to strive for . . . and given that a decent amount of late first round RBs bust he's a very attractive RB to draft.But those owners that draft in front of him will likely have a distinct advantage just based on what those players normally score . . . while those drafting behind Rudi will probably not want to trade much to get him as those other backs average only slightly worse on a ppg basis than Rudi does.

So if you draft Rudi you are most likely going to live with Rudi. He's not a sexy pick. But I have yet to hear the following statement: "I won my league this year because I had Rudi Johnson."

But another way, based on value, you are going to need to come up with at least one (maybe two) players on your squad that has a value of 100+ to win your league. (It's possible to win with having all of your starters having some much lower value scores, but normally the high value players lead to greater success).

In the past three seasons, Johnson's value has been 68, 84, and 54. That's very good, but probably not enough to be the difference maker in winning your league.

Rudi's other plus (and minus) is that he plays every week. That's good in that you know he will play. But it's also a negative when you consider that other RBs that may miss a couple of games have a higher PPG average.

As for a ranking, IMO Johnson is ranked where he belongs (probably in the 6-8 range). If you can get him I advise drafting him . . . but bear in mind that you know going in that he is pretty much not having a 2000/20 season. I know that 98% of RBs will never have that either, but for some other backs there is still a chance that they might get up that high.

IMO, Johnson in CIN = Henry in BUF. Not sexy but productive.

I don't understand this at all? How can the fact that your 1st round pick will play every game be a Negative in any way?In the league's I play in my player's only get points for the games they play. So if they only play 13 I don't get to use their PPG avg for the Three games they missed!

And Henry put up two very good years in 02 and 03 then two very bad years in 04 and 05 and then a pretty good year in 06.

And by the way I came in second in 2005 and 3rd in 2006 because of Rudi!!

Yes, Rudi playing every game is a good thing, but in some ways it dilutes his stats. If we use 2004 as an example, Rudi averaged 14.1 ppg in a 0 PPR league (as others have mentioned his value takes a big hit in 1 PPR leagues). Priest Holmes averaged 24.8 ppg. Larry Johnson averaged 26.6 ppg when he took over as the starter. Yet both ranked BELOW Rudi in the yearend rankings because they did not play the entire year at that rate. But clearly having both Holmes and Larry Johnson would have far outscored Rudi Johnson.If you took other RBs that may average more ppg than Rudi does and play PLAYER X (someone else on your fantasy roster) for those 2 or 3 games, I suspect that the totals of those two backs will come close to or equal the production of Rudi Johnson.

Here's another example. In 2005, Drew Bledsoe ranked 6th in overall points scored by QB. But on a PPG basis, he 11th and was a fraction of a point from ranking 15th in PPG. So the question in Bledsoe's case was did he help or hurt a fantasy squad that starts only 1 QB (wither 10 or 12 teams in the league)?

Rudi's value really stems from knowing that he will play and give you a certain amount of known production. That makes him worth it as a security blanket alone. But IMO there are other players that may get drafted after he does that have more firepower to offer even if they do tend to miss some games. (In most of my leagues the player that comes to mind is Westbrook, and I would rather have Westbrook and his chance of missing a few games than Rudi.)

Fair enough, but I did win "with" Rudi, he was a no brainer every week. Considering I did draft him at the 2.10 spot he proved to be very valuable. Unless you were lucky enough to draw the #1 or #2 spot, is there any player that we can say I won "because of"? (Redraft League)Point well taken though.

 

[RC94]

2.10 is great value for Rudi IMO.

 

[Garts]

I'm very content with Rudi as my RB2 behind LT...

 

[Buckna]

I think that Rudi's value is completely dependant on situation. If you are a good team that is young with depth at other positions, I think it is a strong time to try to acquire Rudi. He is a dynamite RB1B/2. I think if you are a rebuilding team or unlikely to win in either 2007 or 2008 in dynasty, this is the year to move Rudi- either before the draft, or as soon as injury hits someone that wants to contend. At this point, he is still only twenty seven. Backs 28 and older get harder to move- you hear "He is closing in on 30". Also, if you are genuinely rebuilding, he is probably going to help you more than you would like.My downside with Rudi is that while he is extremely productive and one of my favorite players, I don't think he is extremely athletic for an NFL feature back. What I mean by this is- he doesn't have a step to lose. Once he does lose a step (whenever that happens), he is going to go into the tank fast. There will be no steady decline where you have notice and prepare. I believe he will go from very productive to back up in one year.

Great post. I traded away Rudi recently and while it hurt to do so I needed to enter the complete rebuilding phase. Rudi's steady production did more to hurt my draft position last year than to help me make the playoffs. And his value was indeed rock solid, I got some low offers I turned down and some okay offers I turned down (1 offer was Caddy+Garrard for Rudi+Perry.) I eventually took a trade of the rookie 1.01+Chad Jackson. This will net me a top flight rookie RB with "upside" as well as a flier on a former 1st round WR. As well as help me hopefully get another high rookie pick next year.To add to your 2nd paragraph, people need to remember that Cinci has a habit of churning out productive RB's going all the way back to the 80's. Remember the Icky shuffle? They used up Corey Dillon and ran him into the ground until his age started showing and traded him away letting Rudi take over. While I think Rudi has a few more solid seasons in him, when the end comes, it will come soon and Cinci won't hesitate to replace him as soon as the cracks start to show.