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Footballguy
I was planning to sell high after this week, but I think I'll be holding now.
CaptainHook
Footballguy
Good Posting.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Yes, what insight! Must be a homer.
DarabZarrabi
Footballguy
Well his analysis is true to his member name "Novice"
Babu Bhatt2
Footballguy
no, definitely sell this week.
Winky the tunnel ferret
Footballguy
Imo he's a clear guy to hold. I don't think what you can get for him in a trade can compare to his POSSIBLE upside. So...why wouldn't you hold? Nice schedule, good o-line, and they finally have a real offensive coordinator.
This team is going to run the ball as much as possible. At the very least he goes against Arizona next week. If you must sell (though I think it's a mistake unless you get a great offer), at least wait one more week. There's no reason to think he won't have another good game and 3 weeks running would be a big selling point.
This team is going to run the ball as much as possible. At the very least he goes against Arizona next week. If you must sell (though I think it's a mistake unless you get a great offer), at least wait one more week. There's no reason to think he won't have another good game and 3 weeks running would be a big selling point.
Winky the tunnel ferret
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What do you honestly believe most people can get by trading away DMC? What do you feel DMC's possible upside is? At a certain point the difference between those two options becomes so massive you have little choice but to hold (if not buy).
Oakland doesn't have a very difficult schedule from a fantasy perspective this year. Also, DMC is showing a lot of the growth that LeSean McCoy is showing (less indecision, less jumping and cutting right after the handoff.) Unless someone wows you with an offer or you can get a WR upgrade with him then I see no reason to sell. Bush will get PT but DMC will continue to get 15-20 touches.
Winky the tunnel ferret
Footballguy
More people need to agree with basher.
I think you are seeing his upside now, as do all the people who are saying "sell high". The question really isn't "what is his upside?" as much as how probable it is that he will reach his upside. The most realistic upside scenario for DMC is that he is the lead back in the RBBC, while Bush takes the GL carries and DMC takes the 3rd down touches. So he might be an inconsistent RB2 at best. Of course that assumes that his injury history is no longer a factor. Let's keep in mind that these first two games have been pretty ideal situations for DMC to churn out yardage. Getting blown out by the Titans and then this week against the Rams. The Titans sure weren't worried much about running plays and dump off passes for most of their game. The Raiders will not, as a team, continue to have the success that they've had the first 2 weeks running the ball.At the very least, I'd think you could get a very good WR2 for him, but I'd shoot for higher. Buy low on Megatron maybe? Possibly a RB like Forte or buy low on Mathews? Personally I traded him and Forte for McCoy and Bradshaw this past week, but I'm not sure that option is still available after the game McCoy had. Obviously I wouldn't just give DMC away, but you should be able to get some value out of him while he is at his high point.
Winky the tunnel ferret
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Megatron? 
Forte isn't a bad call. I might send out a feeler for that one. Only problem is Forte hasn't sucked points wise.
ETA - I'm going to figure out how to package him up to make a move for DeAngelo.
Forte isn't a bad call. I might send out a feeler for that one. Only problem is Forte hasn't sucked points wise.
ETA - I'm going to figure out how to package him up to make a move for DeAngelo.
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Personally, I'm still high on Megatron. If you aren't then obviously cross him off your list.Forte was easy after week 1 when you could point to his ypc and say that most of his points came from the 89 yard TD. His numbers were down this week to closer to what I would expect from him. Still, you can point to the ypc and say he won't get a td every week. No TD and he had 5 points this week, and maybe 5 more if ppr.Megatron?
Judge Smails
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The Raiders, for being a pathetic team, have been able to run the ball for several years now. McFadden looks good - I won't take that away from him. The problem is I'm pretty sure Michael Bush will look just as good. RBBC. I think the best time to trade him (the same with Tim Hightower) is now.
Winky the tunnel ferret
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I like Megatron a lot. I just don't see anyone moving him easily. I'm biased as I play with a Lions homer so his value is way too high. 
I'm not saying the majority of his owners would make that trade, but I'm sure after last year and the first couple of weeks there are some that are skittish enough to do it. Especially with his QB injured for awhile.I like Megatron a lot. I just don't see anyone moving him easily. I'm biased as I play with a Lions homer so his value is way too high.
I'd say top 20 value or hold him. If you can't sell high, don't sell. If you hold him, buy Bush low. That way, no matter which of them gets hurt, you still have the starter.
I was thinking the same thing. Top 40 is probably a backwards move the rest of the year. Top 20-30 seems about right.
Quite possibly my biggest mistake of the draft! With my 108/109 picks i narrowed it down to 3 players: Darren Sproles, Ladanian Tomlinson and Darren Mcfadden. I took Sproles since he has always been a favorite of mine, and then had a brain malfunction and took LT instead of Mcfadden. The worst part is that this was a keeper PPR. In retrospect, i can't believe i didn't take Mcfadden.
Umm...i think he was talking about the absolute ludicrous nature of the trade potential. If you can get Megatron for Mcfadden, then i suggest quiting your league immediately because it sucks big time.Personally, I'm still high on Megatron. If you aren't then obviously cross him off your list.Forte was easy after week 1 when you could point to his ypc and say that most of his points came from the 89 yard TD. His numbers were down this week to closer to what I would expect from him. Still, you can point to the ypc and say he won't get a td every week. No TD and he had 5 points this week, and maybe 5 more if ppr.Megatron?Forte isn't a bad call. I might send out a feeler for that one. Only problem is Forte hasn't sucked points wise.
Babu Bhatt2
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Tomlinson remains the better pick. McFadden has had two nice games, but he still won't amount to anything long term. Tomlinson will put up better numbers this year, and McFadden has limited keeper value. Don't knock your pick.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Your last words say it all, it was against the Rams. Same can be said about McCoy vs. Lions. Fantasy football is all about the matchups, look at Cj's numbers this week. At least he was good enough to take advantage of the matchup, the Giants game plan against the Colts was horrible.
Raiderfan32904
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What you are seeing from Darren McFadden is a more mature and developed football player now in his third year in the league. He obviously trained properly over the offseason and is more settled now with much better vision of the field, instead of just trying to rely on his speed alone. He’s not just darting through the hole. Yesterday, I saw him actually cutback and use some moves to get to the interior running lanes. He has a fire about him now. He doesn’t look tired in the 4th quarter. 30 carries, almost 5 yards a pop, and he looks fresh. Definitely, he is one of the team leaders.
Maybe he’s a late bloomer, but he’s carved up Tennessee’s defense, which put the clamps on Rashard Mendenhall yesterday and reliably torched the Rams. With the soft Cardinals coming up, I’d buy all day on DMAC.
DMAC = more rushing yards through 2 weeks than CJ or ADP.
Maybe he’s a late bloomer, but he’s carved up Tennessee’s defense, which put the clamps on Rashard Mendenhall yesterday and reliably torched the Rams. With the soft Cardinals coming up, I’d buy all day on DMAC.
DMAC = more rushing yards through 2 weeks than CJ or ADP.
SuperGreen
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i took him relatively early last year and he burned me pretty bad, but i'd hold right now. he looks like a completely different back, running with more vision and power than i can remember. i'm just bitter now that i completely avoided him like the plague after last year's debacle.
Clifford
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Yeah, so glad I opened this thread now.I've had McFadden in my dynasty league and I am not really thinking sell unless I can get something really spectacular, like a top 12 WR. Truth is I am thinking of trying to unload Turner/Snelling instead and using him as my RB2, which is what I always envisioned when I drafted him.
djjosee
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Funny you'd mention this ... I have both M Bush and THT and another owner has DMAC and Wells, sent him a note before the games asking him to swap players so we don't have to deal with all the GTD issues and that he could pick who to switch. Got rejected
ROBOPUNTER
Footballguy
Sell the #### out of him
mcintyre1
Footballguy
To those of you that are saying he's utter trash, have you watched his carries from the first two games this year? I wouldn't have been able to without game rewind, so I wouldn't be surprised if anyone said no to that, but he really does seem to be running like a different person this year. No more getting tripped up by a shoelace. He's pounding into people and earning tough yards on the ground. The only thing I'd like to see out of him is a long TD run to exhibit that he really is as fast as he's supposed to be. I'd be buying at this point, but don't over pay.
I have Bush and it will be a sort of RBBC when Bush returns but after these two games there is no way that Dmac does not get the majority of the carries. Say a 22-12 type split . Dmac has earned the opportunity BUT that being said remember the two games were 1. a blow out where TENN had no one on the line and let OAK get the short passes and let Dmac run 5 yards before a TENN player touched him and 2. Even Betty White could run for 100 against the Rams. AGain Dmac looks great and all the credit to him but in the End I would sell if I could get some value.
Raiderfan32904
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I don’t understand why the OP only gives two choices, sell or hold. At least one other person agrees with me that he is a buy. And buy now while you still can get him cheap from McFadden owners that think that they are being slick in selling high. The people who are selling high, aren’t watching the games. They have this idea in their heads that he is the same old stick-leg, finger tackle, trip over the hashmarks runner. Those people only read box scores and are sheep ready to be fleeced. Buy low while you still can buy at a reasonable price.Bush is damaged goods, and when he comes back he could tandem with DMC, and form a killer one-two punch. I don’t think that is a bad thing. It keeps them both fresh, and the yards per carry will higher and the potential for big plays is there.fightingillini
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I would look to trade him. If you can get a nice upgrade at WR or QB or can package DMAC to acquire a top 10 RB, I would do it in a heartbeat.
It's going to be an RBBC when Bush gets back and DMAC has never been able to stay healthy.
It's going to be an RBBC when Bush gets back and DMAC has never been able to stay healthy.
zamboni
Footballguy
Well said.Seems like people are in a hurry to sell him if only because of his past failures. Sometimes though it takes a longer time for some players to blossom. Who knows if McFadden has truly turned the corner, but I wouldn't use past performance as a barometer.He's played well in two games thus far, stayed healthy (for now),and perhaps most importantly, seems to have the full support of his head coach and owner that invested so heavily in him.I'd be holding (or buying if you don't own him) unless you can get a big time payback in return.
Brothers Mayhem
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For me it's a no-brainer. I would imagine that most owners, as I did, only drafted DMC because of his value at the point of the draft where you took him. Did anyone actually reach for DMC? This is what we took him for. He is and was taken for a flex/bye week player with the upside of turning into a RB2. Well, he has played like a RB1 for 2 weeks now. Be thankful and hopefully, you were able to capitalize on at least one of the 2 weeks if not both. However, if u benched him, put his ### on the trade block and see what comes your way. Or utilize him to lock down someone you really targeted and was unable to draft. Point is - he is like a really good coupon right now. Worst case, he reverts back to the flex/bye week replacement play, best case he earns a spot in your starting line-up and produces.
I know this isn't news to everyone. I just wanted to remind everyone that the fact you have options with him is a bonus to what I'd expect was the reason for why you drafted him in the 1st place. There isn't a wrong move here. Trade him - you win if it gets u what u want. Keep him - you have what you drafted him for with 2 weeks of upside delivered already.
Thats why I say, just dangle him and see what comes your way. Maybe you land a blockbuster deal, maybe you just wind up with a flex play. Hell - ya just may have a solid RB2/RB1 addition to your starting lineup. All of which are great value for where you most likely took DMC.
I know this isn't news to everyone. I just wanted to remind everyone that the fact you have options with him is a bonus to what I'd expect was the reason for why you drafted him in the 1st place. There isn't a wrong move here. Trade him - you win if it gets u what u want. Keep him - you have what you drafted him for with 2 weeks of upside delivered already.
Thats why I say, just dangle him and see what comes your way. Maybe you land a blockbuster deal, maybe you just wind up with a flex play. Hell - ya just may have a solid RB2/RB1 addition to your starting lineup. All of which are great value for where you most likely took DMC.
One thing I don't understand is why is Rotoworld the only site that is adamant that McFadden is an RB1 and a feature back going foward? Every other fantasy site that I've read and Cable himself has said that it will be a RBBC again once Bush returns. What gives? Is this another case of Rotoworld protecting their own reputation much like they are doing with Jamaal Charles, whom they ranked the #9 RB in the draft and are still saying he'll get the chances? In both cases, the exact opposite is happening on the field or what is coming from the coaches mouth.
Darren McFadden had 10 rushes for just 38 yards in the first half before racking up 107 yards on 20 carries in the second half.
McFadden is shedding the label that he's not a tough runner with each carry. He's getting stronger as the game goes on and actually breaking tackles by running over defenders. It's a side of McFadden that no one expected to see, but it has locked him in as the feature back in Oakland.
Darren McFadden rushed 30 times for 145 yards and caught two passes for eight yards in the Raiders' 16-14 Week 2 win over the Rams.
McFadden looked even stronger than he did in Week 1, trucking defenders and finishing his runs while the Raiders controlled possession against a poor Rams rush defense. He had 160 total yards last week and finished with 153 net yards this week. There's no question who the RB1 is in Oakland.
Darren McFadden had 10 rushes for just 38 yards in the first half before racking up 107 yards on 20 carries in the second half.
McFadden is shedding the label that he's not a tough runner with each carry. He's getting stronger as the game goes on and actually breaking tackles by running over defenders. It's a side of McFadden that no one expected to see, but it has locked him in as the feature back in Oakland.
Darren McFadden rushed 30 times for 145 yards and caught two passes for eight yards in the Raiders' 16-14 Week 2 win over the Rams.
McFadden looked even stronger than he did in Week 1, trucking defenders and finishing his runs while the Raiders controlled possession against a poor Rams rush defense. He had 160 total yards last week and finished with 153 net yards this week. There's no question who the RB1 is in Oakland.
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mcintyre1
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Another point to make here that hasn't been touched on (but is quite frequently by an excellent poster in the Dynasty Rankings thread):
McFadden is 23 years old. He has fewer career carries than Knowshon Moreno. He missed playing time and struggled after having turf toe injuries in both feet his rookie year, on a better team, they shut him down and don't make him play through that. His 2nd season he had a knee injury that limited him. Now, the question becomes "is he injury prone?" First off, I don't like that term. Everyone in the NFL gets injured. It is impossible to predict injuries like the ones McFadden has endured. Could he go down again this year to injury? Of course. So could CJ2k or ADP or Brees or anyone.
At this point, I'd say I'm cautiously optimistic.
McFadden is 23 years old. He has fewer career carries than Knowshon Moreno. He missed playing time and struggled after having turf toe injuries in both feet his rookie year, on a better team, they shut him down and don't make him play through that. His 2nd season he had a knee injury that limited him. Now, the question becomes "is he injury prone?" First off, I don't like that term. Everyone in the NFL gets injured. It is impossible to predict injuries like the ones McFadden has endured. Could he go down again this year to injury? Of course. So could CJ2k or ADP or Brees or anyone.
At this point, I'd say I'm cautiously optimistic.
I believe McFadden is a HOLD.
He obviously has talent being a Top 5 draft pick.
One can make argument that injuries slowed his first 2-years and may have had maturity issues after receiving 30 million bucks at the age of 20!
He is ONLY 23 years old.
He's the far better receiver than Bush, leaving McFadden in on 3rd downs when Bush returns.
The Raiders ran the ball 30 times yesterday and from Week #5 forward I can see McFadden getting 18-20 and Bush getting 10-12.
Think DeAngelo Williams/Jonathan Stewart II.
He obviously has talent being a Top 5 draft pick.
One can make argument that injuries slowed his first 2-years and may have had maturity issues after receiving 30 million bucks at the age of 20!
He is ONLY 23 years old.
He's the far better receiver than Bush, leaving McFadden in on 3rd downs when Bush returns.
The Raiders ran the ball 30 times yesterday and from Week #5 forward I can see McFadden getting 18-20 and Bush getting 10-12.
Think DeAngelo Williams/Jonathan Stewart II.
NatronIsMean
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I just don't think you can get enough for McFadden. It's like Fred Jackson this time last year - if you're also in a non-chump league, everybody knows what you know (that Bush will eventually come back and the matchups have done DMC well).
I think the best move is to try to get Bush low so that you have both guys. Bush is very low right now and that would ensure that if either guy gets injured or gets the lions share of the carries, you have a solid RB3/flex.
I think the best move is to try to get Bush low so that you have both guys. Bush is very low right now and that would ensure that if either guy gets injured or gets the lions share of the carries, you have a solid RB3/flex.
Why Sell? You are not going to get value, as everyone will be thinking the same thing, DMC blew up with no Bush on the field. Get him in your lineup while the gettin is good. If anything, buy at a low value from someone that just wants to unload him for something. If you drafted him, enjoy the fruits of a late round/dollar flyer, they don't happen often.
California
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I really don't like the "garbage time" and "vs crappy D" arguments. They'd be valid if he stunk in both instances, but he hasn't.Let's say the Raiders are a spectacularly ugly team this year. They're either going to get blown out by good teams (Week 1) or play close tight games vs crappy teams (Week 2). Either way, McFadden has produced so far, right?
Let's say he laid an egg vs D's like the Steelers or Ravens. Is the argument then going to be that he sucked vs legit defenses? Chris Johnson did too.
I'm a McFadden owner trying to shop him around to improve WR. I'm looking for a starter, not depth. It's hard to try to get enough value for him in my league. I'd rather keep riding him than trade for a #3 WR which I have plenty of.
gary mexico
Footballguy
Someone in my dynasty league offered me Mcfadden for my Mathews. He must've seen this thread.
SeniorVBDStudent
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I f'ing HATE nicknames.
Run dmc, light blue jesus, law firm, blah, blah, blah.
Carry on.
Run dmc, light blue jesus, law firm, blah, blah, blah.
Carry on.
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