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Ryan Grant and his future? (1 Viewer)
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I think Grant has found a home.
freelander
Footballguy
over someone like an LJ?
Restricted
Footballguy
Seems to excel in the zone blocking scheme. I bet they are sure enough that they don't address the situation this offseason.
thehornet
Footballguy
I wouldnt keep grant over lj but he is very much a keeper. lj is 2x the back grant is.
renesauz
IBL Representative
I haven't seen enough of him to have a strong opinion, but what I have seen and heard would lead me to think that he's an average back in an ideal situation. If I had to declare my keeper early, I might look for a safer pick. Definately one of the more intriguing situations to watch in the upcoming off season, because whoever the feature back is in GB will be worth having.
No one knows for sure, but don't forget Samkon Gado a couple years ago in GB and Ron Dayne last year. Early this season everyone was hoping a GB RB would emerge because their second half schedule was cake in terms of run defenses. He may end up being the guy, but sometimes (especially guys cast off by other teams) people have good short term success only to get cast off again. I also think that guys like Gado and Dayne have success in the second half because unlike all the defenses they play, they are completely fresh at the mid point of the season. On the other hand, some guys start as backups and end up being starters for a while. Hard to tell which one Grant will end up, but he is no doubt in a good situation with Favre. Also as much as folks were panning GB's running game, they have done quite well in the recent past with OK RBs.
thehornet
Footballguy
im sorry but i disagree 100% Grant is legit. He is very good. Fast, finds holes, exceleent cut back, and good burst thru hole. This guy is not gado or dayne. much much better. he has been doing it all year against every single defense.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
GB liked this guy as an undrafted FA... I think he's the real deal. Over someone like LJ... well, personally as an LJ owner, I wouldn't keep him. LJ will be next year's Shaun Alexander... a great back who goes down with an injury and is never the same... The PT side of me says use caution in terms of LJ's injury... it's more serious than the average fantasy owner knows about. I traded him for salary cap for next season...
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
he leads the league in rushing yards since he became their feature back (week 8ish forward). Barring injury, i cant see him falling outside the top 10 in redrafts next year.
as to the question of whether his value is tied to Favre, id say not necessarily. We got a glimpse of what Aaron Rodgers can do in the Dallas game. They have a young, good defense and offensive line and they play in cold weather.
Grant is a stud.
as to the question of whether his value is tied to Favre, id say not necessarily. We got a glimpse of what Aaron Rodgers can do in the Dallas game. They have a young, good defense and offensive line and they play in cold weather.
Grant is a stud.
thehornet
Footballguy
please stop. next years SA. omg.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Really?im sorry but i disagree 100% Grant is legit. He is very good. Fast, finds holes, exceleent cut back, and good burst thru hole. This guy is not gado or dayne. much much better. he has been doing it all year against every single defense.No one knows for sure, but don't forget Samkon Gado a couple years ago in GB and Ron Dayne last year. Early this season everyone was hoping a GB RB would emerge because their second half schedule was cake in terms of run defenses. He may end up being the guy, but sometimes (especially guys cast off by other teams) people have good short term success only to get cast off again. I also think that guys like Gado and Dayne have success in the second half because unlike all the defenses they play, they are completely fresh at the mid point of the season. On the other hand, some guys start as backups and end up being starters for a while. Hard to tell which one Grant will end up, but he is no doubt in a good situation with Favre. Also as much as folks were panning GB's running game, they have done quite well in the recent past with OK RBs.
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2 nyg | 0 0 | 21 | 0 || 3 sdg | 3 10 | -3 | 0 || 4 min | 3 17 | 1 | 0 || 5 chi | 0 0 | 7 | 0 || 6 was | 0 0 | 0 | 0 || 8 den | 22 104 | 7 | 0 || 9 kan | 19 55 | 37 | 0 || 10 min | 25 119 | 20 | 1 || 11 car | 20 88 | 2 | 0 || 12 det | 15 101 | 31 | 1 || 13 dal | 14 94 | 4 | 2 || 14 oak | 29 156 | 6 | 1 |+----------+-------------+--------+----+| TOTAL | 150 744 | 133 | 5 |
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
Grant is a strong, powerful guy who hits the hole very hard. He also has a knack for gaining good yards after contact. The difference between Grant and every other back on the Green Bay roster is noticable (Morency, Jackson, Wynn). All you have to do is watch a game when Grant's not in and you'll see the difference.
Talent wise, maybe he is 'average' compared the best of the best in the league. But for what Green Bay's doing with the running game, Grant is a great fit. They targeted him for a trade because of that. I'm guessing they'll still look at adding running backs, because Jackson and Wynn don't inspire much confidence and Morency is an often injured FA. But I doubt they're going to look to replace him next season. Grant's shown more than enough to hold down the job and turn in a top 10 fantasy season next year.
Talent wise, maybe he is 'average' compared the best of the best in the league. But for what Green Bay's doing with the running game, Grant is a great fit. They targeted him for a trade because of that. I'm guessing they'll still look at adding running backs, because Jackson and Wynn don't inspire much confidence and Morency is an often injured FA. But I doubt they're going to look to replace him next season. Grant's shown more than enough to hold down the job and turn in a top 10 fantasy season next year.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Do you have any medical background, any type of physical therapist/medical/athletic training schooling? Well, I doShaun Alexander broke a bone in his foot... do you have any idea the consequences that has on a professional athlete? LJ's injury was WORSE than Alexander's. The only reason every run of the mill fantasy owner thinks he's going to be just fine is because KC hasn't placed him on IR, they haven't come out and said exactly what it is... First they say that it's because of too much swelling... well, it's been over a month, the swelling is down enough to get a legitimate MRI... then they say it's because of doctor/patient confidentiality... that's a load of crap. They want no one to know the extent of his injury.
LJ turns 29 next November... the same age SA was when he got hurt... LJ is approachin the wrong side of 30 very quickly, and his injury doesn't help. "Oh he doesn't have the mileage a typical back has at 29"... yes true, but seriously, how much that factors in is very very low. By that logic Priest Holmes should have had an MVP season for being "well rested"
You think LJ will return to greatness in 2008? Fine, waste your draft pick on him. The way this league is looking, several young backs are taking over... you'll see a shift in the guard for the first time in the last 3-4 years... For a long time it's been "LT, LJ, SA top 3"... this year we see other RBs out there capable of being included in the top 5 ranks... LT still, but then you have ADP, Addai, Barber, yes Ryan Grant, Graham has looked fantastic. I'd take several of them over both LJ next year... maybe not Graham if Caddy steals carries but the rest of them for sure.
Take your chances, but take my educated advice... stay clear until he proves otherwise. People overcome huge injuries to have big years, but they are more rare than common, and that kind of success really doesn't last very long (see Javon Walker coming back to have a strong 2006, but knee troubles in 2007 were a problem since day 1.)
LJ being next year's SA isn't as far fetched as it may seem... Just knowing how the foot functions, how it heals, and how one little disruption of anything in the foot can lead to a wide variety of problems from the foot itself all the way up to the spine.
Go ahead, take him, but I'd rather fill my stable with a stud who hasn't suffered a major injury... and one who is on the rise, rather than on the decline
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jwb
Footballguy
agreed (of course, I own him in 4 leagues
) Very impressed watching him play. Does not dance, hits the hole hard, always seems to be moving forward - exactly what you want in a back. He's the real deal.Really?im sorry but i disagree 100% Grant is legit. He is very good. Fast, finds holes, exceleent cut back, and good burst thru hole. This guy is not gado or dayne. much much better. he has been doing it all year against every single defense.No one knows for sure, but don't forget Samkon Gado a couple years ago in GB and Ron Dayne last year. Early this season everyone was hoping a GB RB would emerge because their second half schedule was cake in terms of run defenses. He may end up being the guy, but sometimes (especially guys cast off by other teams) people have good short term success only to get cast off again. I also think that guys like Gado and Dayne have success in the second half because unlike all the defenses they play, they are completely fresh at the mid point of the season. On the other hand, some guys start as backups and end up being starters for a while. Hard to tell which one Grant will end up, but he is no doubt in a good situation with Favre. Also as much as folks were panning GB's running game, they have done quite well in the recent past with OK RBs.
2 nyg | 0 0 | 21 | 0 || 3 sdg | 3 10 | -3 | 0 || 4 min | 3 17 | 1 | 0 || 5 chi | 0 0 | 7 | 0 || 6 was | 0 0 | 0 | 0 || 8 den | 22 104 | 7 | 0 || 9 kan | 19 55 | 37 | 0 || 10 min | 25 119 | 20 | 1 || 11 car | 20 88 | 2 | 0 || 12 det | 15 101 | 31 | 1 || 13 dal | 14 94 | 4 | 2 || 14 oak | 29 156 | 6 | 1 |+----------+-------------+--------+----+| TOTAL | 150 744 | 133 | 5 |He's done well since week 8, aside from a ho-him game against the Chiefs, but no need to exaggerate here.
Exactly. Anyone who says they know for sure is lying or forgot about Kevan Barlow.By the way, Mr. Hornet. In 2006, Ron Dayne started 4 games after being a backup all year and had 89-429-5TD, which per game is almost exactly the same as Grant this year. Gado, the year before had a 6 game stretch in the second half where he had 136-532-7TD (1 receiving) and that includes a horrible 10 carry 7 yard. Just be careful because backups have torrid second halfs all the time. Some turn into starters and others go right back to becoming backups. Even some that start (like Barlow), start but flame out.
The Packers may love him, but he was fresh compared to defenders, had a very nice schedule (according to FBGs in week 8, GB had the #1 easiest RB schedule) and defenses knew very little about him.
It wouldn't be prudent to assume he will do what he is doing now for the rest of his career and even to assume 100% that he will be the starter.
Brother Mouzone
Footballguy
he's been doing it since he got the job by default after the bye week and it's a good thing for gbay he did. this guy's second gear is unbelievable. he's only been the feature back for 7 weeks but from what i've seen he looks extremely impressive.im sorry but i disagree 100% Grant is legit. He is very good. Fast, finds holes, exceleent cut back, and good burst thru hole. This guy is not gado or dayne. much much better. he has been doing it all year against every single defense.No one knows for sure, but don't forget Samkon Gado a couple years ago in GB and Ron Dayne last year. Early this season everyone was hoping a GB RB would emerge because their second half schedule was cake in terms of run defenses. He may end up being the guy, but sometimes (especially guys cast off by other teams) people have good short term success only to get cast off again. I also think that guys like Gado and Dayne have success in the second half because unlike all the defenses they play, they are completely fresh at the mid point of the season. On the other hand, some guys start as backups and end up being starters for a while. Hard to tell which one Grant will end up, but he is no doubt in a good situation with Favre. Also as much as folks were panning GB's running game, they have done quite well in the recent past with OK RBs.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Lets don't be silly. But he is a top 10-top 15 back next seasonLJ will be top 5
mlball77
Footballguy
Favre playing like he has played this year is definitely a plus for Grant. However, Rodgers may be a good fit in GB... and they have some good WR's. So I wouldn't worry a ton about Grant's value if Favre should retire.
But yeah, Grant appears to be the real deal and I think he has to rank in the top 15 as keeper RBs.
But yeah, Grant appears to be the real deal and I think he has to rank in the top 15 as keeper RBs.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
I spent almost all my blind bid $ this year for Grant, not because I thought he was especially good, but because I really felt that the Green Bay offense was a fantasy gold mine. Good young offensive line plus Favre and the passing game = great situation for any RB.
Grant is a very ordinary NFL RB in a real nice situation. So for a one or two year keeper, sure, but I wouldn't get too excited about his dynasty potential.
Grant is a very ordinary NFL RB in a real nice situation. So for a one or two year keeper, sure, but I wouldn't get too excited about his dynasty potential.
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
LTAPWestbrook (ppr leagues)Addaiand I can think of a slew of players who could be higher than LJ:Ronnie BrownFrank Gore (not one and done)Marion BarberS. JacksonReggie Bush maybe with McAllister back, bring back his ppr valueJones-Drew with Fred Talyor possibly out of the mixMcGahee (5th in the league in rushing yards)Ryan Grant (averaging 19.9 fantasy points per game since taking over in week 8... compared to Addai who averaged 20.6 all season)Yes, I put LJ below or with these players listed above. Unfortunately, there's no room for LJ in the top 5 next year with younger backs getting better... and there may not even be room for him in the top 10. LJ is a 8-12th ranked back next season... keepable if you want to keep your "best" player... but there are better options if you want to keep a player with a greater upside. That KC team got old REAL fast... that OL is very old, QB is a mess, WR has always been nothing... it's a bad situation... LJ should have played out his final year and then went to FA...
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Wadsworth
Footballguy
Unless Fred Taylor suffers a serious injruy there's almost no chance the Jags name MJD starter. As far as Grant, in my main league we don't declare keepers until August but Grant is going to be a tough guy let go. I have one keeper spot left and it's either Grant, Graham, or Mike Turner. Gonna be a tough call.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
FYI- Fred Taylor turns 32 next year, and according to the website below, he's an unrestricted FA this offseason... unless that is they are predicting he is released. I don't live in Jacksonville, so I can't say I'm 100% confident this is true, but he could be in a contract year...http://footballsfuture.com/2008/nfl/freeagentsRB.html
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Fred signed a new deal last season and is currently averaging 4.9 per carry. He's not a free agent and they are not going to release him. I understand about 32 being a big red flag and Fred might indeed regress next season due to age. But he's going to be given every opportunity to prove he still has it and even if MJD out plays him next season they likely wouldn't change the gameplan much until midseason. Fred's having a borderline Pro Bowl year, he's not going anywhere.
gregjcross
Footballguy
I remember after Kevin Jones rookie year 8 game miracle stretch some people thinking he was better than Fred Taylor! So, obviously you need a larger sample size. I own Grant in one league and obvoiusly am very happy with the production.Really?im sorry but i disagree 100% Grant is legit. He is very good. Fast, finds holes, exceleent cut back, and good burst thru hole. This guy is not gado or dayne. much much better. he has been doing it all year against every single defense.No one knows for sure, but don't forget Samkon Gado a couple years ago in GB and Ron Dayne last year. Early this season everyone was hoping a GB RB would emerge because their second half schedule was cake in terms of run defenses. He may end up being the guy, but sometimes (especially guys cast off by other teams) people have good short term success only to get cast off again. I also think that guys like Gado and Dayne have success in the second half because unlike all the defenses they play, they are completely fresh at the mid point of the season. On the other hand, some guys start as backups and end up being starters for a while. Hard to tell which one Grant will end up, but he is no doubt in a good situation with Favre. Also as much as folks were panning GB's running game, they have done quite well in the recent past with OK RBs.
2 nyg | 0 0 | 21 | 0 || 3 sdg | 3 10 | -3 | 0 || 4 min | 3 17 | 1 | 0 || 5 chi | 0 0 | 7 | 0 || 6 was | 0 0 | 0 | 0 || 8 den | 22 104 | 7 | 0 || 9 kan | 19 55 | 37 | 0 || 10 min | 25 119 | 20 | 1 || 11 car | 20 88 | 2 | 0 || 12 det | 15 101 | 31 | 1 || 13 dal | 14 94 | 4 | 2 || 14 oak | 29 156 | 6 | 1 |+----------+-------------+--------+----+| TOTAL | 150 744 | 133 | 5 |He's done well since week 8, aside from a ho-him game against the Chiefs, but no need to exaggerate here.
By the way, Mr. Hornet. In 2006, Ron Dayne started 4 games after being a backup all year and had 89-429-5TD, which per game is almost exactly the same as Grant this year. Gado, the year before had a 6 game stretch in the second half where he had 136-532-7TD (1 receiving) and that includes a horrible 10 carry 7 yard. Just be careful because backups have torrid second halfs all the time. Some turn into starters and others go right back to becoming backups. Even some that start (like Barlow), start but flame out.
The Packers may love him, but he was fresh compared to defenders, had a very nice schedule (according to FBGs in week 8, GB had the #1 easiest RB schedule) and defenses knew very little about him.
It wouldn't be prudent to assume he will do what he is doing now for the rest of his career and even to assume 100% that he will be the starter.
Holy Roller
Footballguy
One significant factor to add to this discussion: since Ted Thompson has been GM for the Packers, he has VERY rarely given away any draft picks. He's always moving down in drafts, always stockpiling picks. And one of the very few he has traded away has been for Mr. Ryan Grant. As a Packer fan I took notice since it has happened so infrequently. Grant's performance on the field and demeanor during interviews really point to a humble, hard-working kid who is proving himself week in and week out to this organization. He's been a great addition to the Green and Gold.
Mole
Footballguy
The Giants somewhere are kicking themselves for letting this kid go.
ninerfanatic492000
Footballguy
i must be missing something, how exactly is LJ gonna rebound to be a top 5RB? is the chiefs Oline gonna somehow revert back to what they were 4years ago? is brodie croyle gonna be a pro bowl QB like trent was 4years ago? and LJ isn't the same physically at this point as he was. LJ was run into the ground and the Oline/QB situations are horrid-yep sounds like a recipe for a top 5fantasy RB to me
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
If you throw out his first 3 or 4 games where he was rusty due to the hold out. L.J. was money up until his injury. The Chiefs will address the problems in the offensive line durring season through free agency and the draft. I dont see him going in drafts at top 5 but I do see him finishing next season in the top 5 given there are no set backs with his recovery.
Both Grant and LJ started about 7 games this year and in those starts Grant put up 18 ff points more than L.J. in NFL.com scoring. Had L.J. come out of the box ready to go with his conditioning I would expect his numbers to be greater than Grants. The QB change also was a factor in KC although Grant did play well when Farve went out.
Both Grant and LJ started about 7 games this year and in those starts Grant put up 18 ff points more than L.J. in NFL.com scoring. Had L.J. come out of the box ready to go with his conditioning I would expect his numbers to be greater than Grants. The QB change also was a factor in KC although Grant did play well when Farve went out.
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johntorn
Footballguy
Ned
Footballguy
awesome
thehornet
Footballguy
you do realize that is when he became the starter don't you?Really?im sorry but i disagree 100% Grant is legit. He is very good. Fast, finds holes, exceleent cut back, and good burst thru hole. This guy is not gado or dayne. much much better. he has been doing it all year against every single defense.No one knows for sure, but don't forget Samkon Gado a couple years ago in GB and Ron Dayne last year. Early this season everyone was hoping a GB RB would emerge because their second half schedule was cake in terms of run defenses. He may end up being the guy, but sometimes (especially guys cast off by other teams) people have good short term success only to get cast off again. I also think that guys like Gado and Dayne have success in the second half because unlike all the defenses they play, they are completely fresh at the mid point of the season. On the other hand, some guys start as backups and end up being starters for a while. Hard to tell which one Grant will end up, but he is no doubt in a good situation with Favre. Also as much as folks were panning GB's running game, they have done quite well in the recent past with OK RBs.
He's done well since week 8, aside from a ho-him game against the Chiefs, but no need to exaggerate here.Code:2 nyg | 0 0 | 21 | 0 || 3 sdg | 3 10 | -3 | 0 || 4 min | 3 17 | 1 | 0 || 5 chi | 0 0 | 7 | 0 || 6 was | 0 0 | 0 | 0 || 8 den | 22 104 | 7 | 0 || 9 kan | 19 55 | 37 | 0 || 10 min | 25 119 | 20 | 1 || 11 car | 20 88 | 2 | 0 || 12 det | 15 101 | 31 | 1 || 13 dal | 14 94 | 4 | 2 || 14 oak | 29 156 | 6 | 1 |+----------+-------------+--------+----+| TOTAL | 150 744 | 133 | 5 |
thehornet
Footballguy
great write up, but i t doesnt change the fact that LJ is still 28 and he has always been very durable. i think he is much better than SA ever was anyways. They are two totally different players that are built completely different. also, LJ didnt become a starter until 2.5 years ago. he has miles left in the tank. but thanks for your insight as well.
thehornet
Footballguy
over the last 7-8 weeks, Granty has led the league in rushing. of course i dont think he is going to do that the rest of his career. but i can tell you another thing. this guy is way better than dayne or barlow. it's insulting to have them in the same sentence. i dont care what guys do in college. the nfl is a different game. some backs make the transition and others do not (dayne, barlow). Grant made the transition easily.Really?im sorry but i disagree 100% Grant is legit. He is very good. Fast, finds holes, exceleent cut back, and good burst thru hole. This guy is not gado or dayne. much much better. he has been doing it all year against every single defense.
2 nyg | 0 0 | 21 | 0 || 3 sdg | 3 10 | -3 | 0 || 4 min | 3 17 | 1 | 0 || 5 chi | 0 0 | 7 | 0 || 6 was | 0 0 | 0 | 0 || 8 den | 22 104 | 7 | 0 || 9 kan | 19 55 | 37 | 0 || 10 min | 25 119 | 20 | 1 || 11 car | 20 88 | 2 | 0 || 12 det | 15 101 | 31 | 1 || 13 dal | 14 94 | 4 | 2 || 14 oak | 29 156 | 6 | 1 |+----------+-------------+--------+----+| TOTAL | 150 744 | 133 | 5 |He's done well since week 8, aside from a ho-him game against the Chiefs, but no need to exaggerate here.
By the way, Mr. Hornet. In 2006, Ron Dayne started 4 games after being a backup all year and had 89-429-5TD, which per game is almost exactly the same as Grant this year. Gado, the year before had a 6 game stretch in the second half where he had 136-532-7TD (1 receiving) and that includes a horrible 10 carry 7 yard. Just be careful because backups have torrid second halfs all the time. Some turn into starters and others go right back to becoming backups. Even some that start (like Barlow), start but flame out.
The Packers may love him, but he was fresh compared to defenders, had a very nice schedule (according to FBGs in week 8, GB had the #1 easiest RB schedule) and defenses knew very little about him.
It wouldn't be prudent to assume he will do what he is doing now for the rest of his career and even to assume 100% that he will be the starter.
Exactly my point. We don't know what Grant will be yet until we see it happen over a full season (if nothing changes in GB). There are so many examples of torrid second halves, that every time I think, I get another example. Anyone remember William Green?Just based on GB's schedule (#1 easiest since week 8 at FBGs) and Grant coming in fresh and unknown, you have to take the performance with a grain of salt. I likened it to baseball above, and in baseball there are tons of rookie flashes (Kevin Maas in NY - I know old example, but I stopped following baseball a while ago). Guys who hit a ton at the end of the year, but out of baseball in a year or two because they are no longer a surprise and pitchers (NFL DCs) have time to find their weaknesses.I remember after Kevin Jones rookie year 8 game miracle stretch some people thinking he was better than Fred Taylor! So, obviously you need a larger sample size. I own Grant in one league and obvoiusly am very happy with the production.Really?im sorry but i disagree 100% Grant is legit. He is very good. Fast, finds holes, exceleent cut back, and good burst thru hole. This guy is not gado or dayne. much much better. he has been doing it all year against every single defense.
2 nyg | 0 0 | 21 | 0 || 3 sdg | 3 10 | -3 | 0 || 4 min | 3 17 | 1 | 0 || 5 chi | 0 0 | 7 | 0 || 6 was | 0 0 | 0 | 0 || 8 den | 22 104 | 7 | 0 || 9 kan | 19 55 | 37 | 0 || 10 min | 25 119 | 20 | 1 || 11 car | 20 88 | 2 | 0 || 12 det | 15 101 | 31 | 1 || 13 dal | 14 94 | 4 | 2 || 14 oak | 29 156 | 6 | 1 |+----------+-------------+--------+----+| TOTAL | 150 744 | 133 | 5 |He's done well since week 8, aside from a ho-him game against the Chiefs, but no need to exaggerate here.
By the way, Mr. Hornet. In 2006, Ron Dayne started 4 games after being a backup all year and had 89-429-5TD, which per game is almost exactly the same as Grant this year. Gado, the year before had a 6 game stretch in the second half where he had 136-532-7TD (1 receiving) and that includes a horrible 10 carry 7 yard. Just be careful because backups have torrid second halfs all the time. Some turn into starters and others go right back to becoming backups. Even some that start (like Barlow), start but flame out.
The Packers may love him, but he was fresh compared to defenders, had a very nice schedule (according to FBGs in week 8, GB had the #1 easiest RB schedule) and defenses knew very little about him.
It wouldn't be prudent to assume he will do what he is doing now for the rest of his career and even to assume 100% that he will be the starter.
That said, Grant could be the real deal and if Favre is around next year, it might not even matter if he is the real deal or not. Addai might not be a great RB, but fantasy wise, it doesn't matter because Manning isn't going anywhere, so he doesn't have to be Barry Sanders/LT gifted.
Restricted
Footballguy
Exactly. And wasn't he acquired after week 1? Taking a couple weeks to learn the system is nothing new. I'm not saying he's a better or worse than LJ next year but writing Grant off as the next Barlow or Gado is just plain stupid.If it's a keeper league where you lose a draft pick where you picked up the player, it may be worth while keeping Grant (FA or very late pick) and using your #1 somewhere else.you do realize that is when he became the starter don't you?Really?im sorry but i disagree 100% Grant is legit. He is very good. Fast, finds holes, exceleent cut back, and good burst thru hole. This guy is not gado or dayne. much much better. he has been doing it all year against every single defense.
2 nyg | 0 0 | 21 | 0 || 3 sdg | 3 10 | -3 | 0 || 4 min | 3 17 | 1 | 0 || 5 chi | 0 0 | 7 | 0 || 6 was | 0 0 | 0 | 0 || 8 den | 22 104 | 7 | 0 || 9 kan | 19 55 | 37 | 0 || 10 min | 25 119 | 20 | 1 || 11 car | 20 88 | 2 | 0 || 12 det | 15 101 | 31 | 1 || 13 dal | 14 94 | 4 | 2 || 14 oak | 29 156 | 6 | 1 |+----------+-------------+--------+----+| TOTAL | 150 744 | 133 | 5 |He's done well since week 8, aside from a ho-him game against the Chiefs, but no need to exaggerate here.
Banger
Footballguy
he would have been top 5 if he didn't get hurt this year....but back to Grant...there's no reason he can't be a Rudi Johnson type back for several years. Right place, right style, right time.I don't think he'll be as good as he's been over the past few weeks because their schedule has been absolute cake. He'll be very overvalued in drafts next year because people (as they always do) will extrapolate his #'s over his 8 games over the course of a season. At the end of the day, he's probably a great trade high candidate.i must be missing something, how exactly is LJ gonna rebound to be a top 5RB? is the chiefs Oline gonna somehow revert back to what they were 4years ago? is brodie croyle gonna be a pro bowl QB like trent was 4years ago? and LJ isn't the same physically at this point as he was. LJ was run into the ground and the Oline/QB situations are horrid-yep sounds like a recipe for a top 5fantasy RB to me
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Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
pig-fuggin-skin. i dont know you ro3384 but i will be looking for your posts going forward. for those who say Ryan Grant is an average talent in a good situation, im guessing you are basing that on the fact that he wasnt drafted rather than on actually watching him play.after the 4 you mention RO3384, id be very tempted to take Ryan Grant 5th. if anything he is a buy low right now.. let alone if he blows up in the playoffs in a couple of months.
Black
Footballguy
See also L.Betts, 2006.
Banger
Footballguy
Who's Portis's equivalent on the Pack? There is none. It's not as if they had a legit starter at any point this year and he's keeping the seat warm for them. They tried to give it to a few players but no one except Grant stepped up.
Black
Footballguy
Opportunity counts for alot, as do surrounding cast and injuries (and injuries to surrounding cast).
There is no telling what happens in the offseason. If Favre retires, I still like ARodgers to keep that O chugging. If their O-line stays healthy and WRs are back, then Grant is in line for a decent year IF he wins the job and IF he stays healthy.
Michael Bush ends up in the top 10 IF he's healthy and IF he gets the job in OAK (and Rhodes/Jordan/Fargas are gone), due to their decent O-line and a young, developing offense (oh and his potential)...
I think in Dec 2007, it's a good bet Ryan Grant has a good chance to succeed, but bump this thread Aug 2008 and we'll see what has happened.
There is no telling what happens in the offseason. If Favre retires, I still like ARodgers to keep that O chugging. If their O-line stays healthy and WRs are back, then Grant is in line for a decent year IF he wins the job and IF he stays healthy.
Michael Bush ends up in the top 10 IF he's healthy and IF he gets the job in OAK (and Rhodes/Jordan/Fargas are gone), due to their decent O-line and a young, developing offense (oh and his potential)...
I think in Dec 2007, it's a good bet Ryan Grant has a good chance to succeed, but bump this thread Aug 2008 and we'll see what has happened.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Grant
I think it will come down to GB's offense, and to a lesser extent schedule next year.
Basically if the offense is nearly as good as this year, the schedule matters less. But if there is the inevitable drop off, which in all likelihood there will be, then the schedule matters much more.
Basically if the offense is nearly as good as this year, the schedule matters less. But if there is the inevitable drop off, which in all likelihood there will be, then the schedule matters much more.
Restricted
Footballguy
Meh. You can look at schedule all you want but you still can't tell who the top run D's are going to be until the 3-4th week of the season. For the original question, keep Grant or LJ, from your schedule theory, you'd have to go LJ because of GB winning the division, right now with 2 losses. Also, no matter who their in-conference scheduled opponents are, GB will have 2 against the Bears and 2 against the Vikings where LJ will get 2 against Denver and 2 against Oakland.
thehornet
Footballguy
grant by a mile. calvin hasnt shown anytthing except a flash here and there. dont get me wrong, calvin is special but he has shown that he isnt the exception to the norm for rookie Wideouts. he needs to learn like everyone else.
Franchise Playa
Footballguy
nothing like a good laugh to start your morning...thank you for that
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