Ryan Grant (1 Viewer)

[Kitrick Taylor]

either way, i see no reason for the packers to spend a 1st or 2nd round pick on a RB. i assume they are a smarter organization than that.

Agreed.

I wouldn't be too sure about that. Ted Thompson will take the best player on the board regardless of position. He proved it this year by taking Justin Harrell DT, when that was the Packers deepest position already. Grant runs with power, and has pretty good vision, and obviously has enough speed to score some long TDs. His biggest weakness is his pass catching abilities. He just doesn't catch the ball naturally, and has been downright awful on screen passes. I think there's a pretty decent chance that Morency and Wynn will be shown the door before week 1 next year, and you'll be looking at Grant as the 1st and 2nd down guy, with Jackson as his backup for that. The draft or Free Agency will bring in the 3rd down guy.

 

[bcr8f]

Too hard to predict TT. He'll probably go CB this time, but you never know.

 

[J R]

either way, i see no reason for the packers to spend a 1st or 2nd round pick on a RB. i assume they are a smarter organization than that.

Agreed.

I wouldn't be too sure about that. Ted Thompson will take the best player on the board regardless of position. He proved it this year by taking Justin Harrell DT, when that was the Packers deepest position already. Grant runs with power, and has pretty good vision, and obviously has enough speed to score some long TDs.

His biggest weakness is his pass catching abilities. He just doesn't catch the ball naturally, and has been downright awful on screen passes.

I think there's a pretty decent chance that Morency and Wynn will be shown the door before week 1 next year, and you'll be looking at Grant as the 1st and 2nd down guy, with Jackson as his backup for that. The draft or Free Agency will bring in the 3rd down guy.

That may be true - but I think DL is an area where teams might make a priority of targeting depth, while RB depth would be addressed much later in the draft.

 

[switz]

The general consensus seems to be that he will be the Packers' starter next year. It just bothers me that he doesn't bring anything special to the table. How many backs in the NFL could be just as productive in that system? How many could be better?

Outside of LT, SJax, Westbrook, MJD, and Bush (albeit only in small flashes) - who does?Grant is a faster, more powerful Willie Parker. He's on par with Frank Gore and Joseph Addai.

What exactly are you looking for?

 

[switz]

either way, i see no reason for the packers to spend a 1st or 2nd round pick on a RB. i assume they are a smarter organization than that.

Agreed.

I wouldn't be too sure about that. Ted Thompson will take the best player on the board regardless of position. He proved it this year by taking Justin Harrell DT, when that was the Packers deepest position already. Grant runs with power, and has pretty good vision, and obviously has enough speed to score some long TDs.

His biggest weakness is his pass catching abilities. He just doesn't catch the ball naturally, and has been downright awful on screen passes.

I think there's a pretty decent chance that Morency and Wynn will be shown the door before week 1 next year, and you'll be looking at Grant as the 1st and 2nd down guy, with Jackson as his backup for that. The draft or Free Agency will bring in the 3rd down guy.

Now of course, I've been consistently down on Jackson. So enlighten me, what exactly has Jackson done with ANY of his opportunities to put him above Wynn or Morency? Both of them are cheaoer IIRC and definitely played better.

 

[3nOut]

The general consensus seems to be that he will be the Packers' starter next year. It just bothers me that he doesn't bring anything special to the table. How many backs in the NFL could be just as productive in that system? How many could be better?

Outside of LT, SJax, Westbrook, MJD, and Bush (albeit only in small flashes) - who does?Grant is a faster, more powerful Willie Parker. He's on par with Frank Gore and Joseph Addai.

What exactly are you looking for?

Interesting switz. On a par with Addai? Lets say you're in a keeper league and you're in need of a WR. Would you trade Addai for Grant and say Welker or Hackett?

 

[Garts]

The general consensus seems to be that he will be the Packers' starter next year. It just bothers me that he doesn't bring anything special to the table. How many backs in the NFL could be just as productive in that system? How many could be better?

Outside of LT, SJax, Westbrook, MJD, and Bush (albeit only in small flashes) - who does?Grant is a faster, more powerful Willie Parker. He's on par with Frank Gore and Joseph Addai.

What exactly are you looking for?

All Day and Portis are top 5 talents

 

[switz]

The general consensus seems to be that he will be the Packers' starter next year. It just bothers me that he doesn't bring anything special to the table. How many backs in the NFL could be just as productive in that system? How many could be better?

Outside of LT, SJax, Westbrook, MJD, and Bush (albeit only in small flashes) - who does?Grant is a faster, more powerful Willie Parker. He's on par with Frank Gore and Joseph Addai.

What exactly are you looking for?

Interesting switz. On a par with Addai? Lets say you're in a keeper league and you're in need of a WR. Would you trade Addai for Grant and say Welker or Hackett?

Addai IMO is in a better situation, but as a player they are comparable. It would depend on whether Favre was definitely returning or not. Plus I would want a better WR than Welker/Hackett. I dunno, it's a tough call and would depend on team needs as well.I guess I would expect Addai to put up higher FF points, due to his situation.

 

[brewer]

Grant is a faster, more powerful Willie Parker.

Not the biggest Willie Parker fan in the world, but I don't see how Grant is faster. Parker has been clocked in the 4.2 range in the 40 yard dash: Willie Parker Trib-Review Article

 

[switz]

The general consensus seems to be that he will be the Packers' starter next year. It just bothers me that he doesn't bring anything special to the table. How many backs in the NFL could be just as productive in that system? How many could be better?

Outside of LT, SJax, Westbrook, MJD, and Bush (albeit only in small flashes) - who does?Grant is a faster, more powerful Willie Parker. He's on par with Frank Gore and Joseph Addai.

What exactly are you looking for?

All Day and Portis are top 5 talents

Wow, can't believe I left them off the list (we need an emoticon for smacking yourself on the head)Point was that outside of a handful of "special" RBs, Grant is top NFL calibre talent

 

[switz]

Grant is a faster, more powerful Willie Parker.

Not the biggest Willie Parker fan in the world, but I don't see how Grant is faster. Parker has been clocked in the 4.2 range in the 40 yard dash: Willie Parker Trib-Review Article

40 yard dash != football speed.From watching them both play, Grant appears faster in pads.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

got a feeling we will be debating the value of grant all off-season

If they do not add anyone via draft or FA he is a top 10/12 ish pick, in most peoples eyes, I say buyer beware here.

 

[brewer]

Grant is a faster, more powerful Willie Parker.

Not the biggest Willie Parker fan in the world, but I don't see how Grant is faster. Parker has been clocked in the 4.2 range in the 40 yard dash: Willie Parker Trib-Review Article

40 yard dash != football speed.From watching them both play, Grant appears faster in pads.

Fair enough, it's semantics I guess. Had you said quicker, I would have left it alone.

 

[3nOut]

The general consensus seems to be that he will be the Packers' starter next year. It just bothers me that he doesn't bring anything special to the table. How many backs in the NFL could be just as productive in that system? How many could be better?

Outside of LT, SJax, Westbrook, MJD, and Bush (albeit only in small flashes) - who does?Grant is a faster, more powerful Willie Parker. He's on par with Frank Gore and Joseph Addai.

What exactly are you looking for?

Interesting switz. On a par with Addai? Lets say you're in a keeper league and you're in need of a WR. Would you trade Addai for Grant and say Welker or Hackett?

Addai IMO is in a better situation, but as a player they are comparable. It would depend on whether Favre was definitely returning or not. Plus I would want a better WR than Welker/Hackett. I dunno, it's a tough call and would depend on team needs as well.I guess I would expect Addai to put up higher FF points, due to his situation.

I guess my point was that if Addai and Grant were on a par, then you'd make that trade since you are upgrading at WR (even if it is only welker) and not losing anything at RB.

 

[Colin Dowling]

(even if it is only welker)

112 catches, 1175 yards, 8 Tds...

 

[switz]

The general consensus seems to be that he will be the Packers' starter next year. It just bothers me that he doesn't bring anything special to the table. How many backs in the NFL could be just as productive in that system? How many could be better?

Outside of LT, SJax, Westbrook, MJD, and Bush (albeit only in small flashes) - who does?Grant is a faster, more powerful Willie Parker. He's on par with Frank Gore and Joseph Addai.

What exactly are you looking for?

Interesting switz. On a par with Addai? Lets say you're in a keeper league and you're in need of a WR. Would you trade Addai for Grant and say Welker or Hackett?

Addai IMO is in a better situation, but as a player they are comparable. It would depend on whether Favre was definitely returning or not. Plus I would want a better WR than Welker/Hackett. I dunno, it's a tough call and would depend on team needs as well.I guess I would expect Addai to put up higher FF points, due to his situation.

I guess my point was that if Addai and Grant were on a par, then you'd make that trade since you are upgrading at WR (even if it is only welker) and not losing anything at RB.

AS NFL RBs they are on par, but that doesn't mean their situation is equal from a fantasy perspective. And in this thread we are talking about Grant form an NFL perspective (whether he will be replaced or not) not a Fantasy perspective.So, yes, while I think Addai is in a much better fantasy situation, I don't think he has any great edge over Grant from an NFL perspective.

 

[switz]

(even if it is only welker)

112 catches, 1175 yards, 8 Tds...

How many yards/TDs do you think that would be without Moss? And at this point there is no guarantee Moss is back next season, so yes, looking at it for NEXT YEAR,, "only Welker" is an appropriate response.

 

[Jedimaster21]

The general consensus seems to be that he will be the Packers' starter next year. It just bothers me that he doesn't bring anything special to the table. How many backs in the NFL could be just as productive in that system? How many could be better?

Outside of LT, SJax, Westbrook, MJD, and Bush (albeit only in small flashes) - who does?Grant is a faster, more powerful Willie Parker. He's on par with Frank Gore and Joseph Addai.

What exactly are you looking for?

Yeah, I guess outside of Portis, Westbrook, Marion Barber, Adrian Peterson, Frank Gore, Steven Jackson, Edgerrin James, Reggie Bush, LT, Larry Johnson, MJD, Fred Taylor, Addai, McGahee, Maroney, Marshawn Lynch, and Ronnie Brown there are no special backs. There is a lot of talent at the RB spot in the NFL, and every year it gets harder and harder to keep a job. On par with Frank Gore? Frank Gore had one of the top 5 seasons in NFL history, and did it in a below average offense. Grant is an undrafted FA that couldn't hold on to the starting job for Notre Dame. He had mediocre numbers at the combine, and has no pedigree. However, he has looked pretty good this season. As others have said in many threads, to remain a starter at RB over a long period a player has to have special talent. Does Grant really demonstrate this?

 

[Jedimaster21]

The general consensus seems to be that he will be the Packers' starter next year. It just bothers me that he doesn't bring anything special to the table. How many backs in the NFL could be just as productive in that system? How many could be better?

Outside of LT, SJax, Westbrook, MJD, and Bush (albeit only in small flashes) - who does?Grant is a faster, more powerful Willie Parker. He's on par with Frank Gore and Joseph Addai.

What exactly are you looking for?

Didn't you state that Addai was a top 3 RB before the 2007 season?

 

[Jedimaster21]

The general consensus seems to be that he will be the Packers' starter next year. It just bothers me that he doesn't bring anything special to the table. How many backs in the NFL could be just as productive in that system? How many could be better?

Outside of LT, SJax, Westbrook, MJD, and Bush (albeit only in small flashes) - who does?Grant is a faster, more powerful Willie Parker. He's on par with Frank Gore and Joseph Addai.

What exactly are you looking for?

All Day and Portis are top 5 talents

Wow, can't believe I left them off the list (we need an emoticon for smacking yourself on the head)Point was that outside of a handful of "special" RBs, Grant is top NFL calibre talent

No pedigree and minimal college production. He has looked pretty good, but are you really ready to annoint him as a "top NFL calibre talent" after just half a season?

 

[428143]

He has improved significantly since his days at ND. As long as he keeps taking his vitamins, err B-12 injection, he is a solid keeper.

 

[Jedimaster21]

Grant is a faster, more powerful Willie Parker.

Not the biggest Willie Parker fan in the world, but I don't see how Grant is faster. Parker has been clocked in the 4.2 range in the 40 yard dash: Willie Parker Trib-Review Article

40 yard dash != football speed.From watching them both play, Grant appears faster in pads.

You may think Grant looks faster, but "Fast Willie" got his name for a reason. 4.23 -vs- 4.54...not really that close.

 

[switz]

The general consensus seems to be that he will be the Packers' starter next year. It just bothers me that he doesn't bring anything special to the table. How many backs in the NFL could be just as productive in that system? How many could be better?

Outside of LT, SJax, Westbrook, MJD, and Bush (albeit only in small flashes) - who does?Grant is a faster, more powerful Willie Parker. He's on par with Frank Gore and Joseph Addai.

What exactly are you looking for?

Didn't you state that Addai was a top 3 RB before the 2007 season?

Why can't people separate FF from NFL?Yes, I had Addai as a top-5 FF RB before the season, but that does not mean he is top-5 in NFL talent?

 

[Colin Dowling]

(even if it is only welker)

112 catches, 1175 yards, 8 Tds...

How many yards/TDs do you think that would be without Moss? And at this point there is no guarantee Moss is back next season, so yes, looking at it for NEXT YEAR,, "only Welker" is an appropriate response.

WIth no Moss, I'd expect him to still catch 100 passes. He's very reliable for Brady and not likely to draw double-teams playing the slot with Stallworth and Gaffney (if moss were gone) on the field.

 

[switz]

The general consensus seems to be that he will be the Packers' starter next year. It just bothers me that he doesn't bring anything special to the table. How many backs in the NFL could be just as productive in that system? How many could be better?

Outside of LT, SJax, Westbrook, MJD, and Bush (albeit only in small flashes) - who does?Grant is a faster, more powerful Willie Parker. He's on par with Frank Gore and Joseph Addai.

What exactly are you looking for?

Yeah, I guess outside of Portis, Westbrook, Marion Barber, Adrian Peterson, Frank Gore, Steven Jackson, Edgerrin James, Reggie Bush, LT, Larry Johnson, MJD, Fred Taylor, Addai, McGahee, Maroney, Marshawn Lynch, and Ronnie Brown there are no special backs. There is a lot of talent at the RB spot in the NFL, and every year it gets harder and harder to keep a job. On par with Frank Gore? Frank Gore had one of the top 5 seasons in NFL history, and did it in a below average offense. Grant is an undrafted FA that couldn't hold on to the starting job for Notre Dame. He had mediocre numbers at the combine, and has no pedigree. However, he has looked pretty good this season. As others have said in many threads, to remain a starter at RB over a long period a player has to have special talent. Does Grant really demonstrate this?

I think that's the point of this thread... so, do you have an opinion, or are you just interested in countering every other post that's made?You call Barber special? Larry Johnson? Maroney? Ronnie Brown?

But you refuse to think Grant is? Have you watched him play? Or are you basing everything on his ND stats?

Terell Davis down?

 

[switz]

Grant is a faster, more powerful Willie Parker.

Not the biggest Willie Parker fan in the world, but I don't see how Grant is faster. Parker has been clocked in the 4.2 range in the 40 yard dash: Willie Parker Trib-Review Article

40 yard dash != football speed.From watching them both play, Grant appears faster in pads.

You may think Grant looks faster, but "Fast Willie" got his name for a reason. 4.23 -vs- 4.54...not really that close.

Reading comprehension down? I said "in pads" - not 40 times.

 

[Jedimaster21]

The general consensus seems to be that he will be the Packers' starter next year. It just bothers me that he doesn't bring anything special to the table. How many backs in the NFL could be just as productive in that system? How many could be better?

Outside of LT, SJax, Westbrook, MJD, and Bush (albeit only in small flashes) - who does?Grant is a faster, more powerful Willie Parker. He's on par with Frank Gore and Joseph Addai.

What exactly are you looking for?

Didn't you state that Addai was a top 3 RB before the 2007 season?

Why can't people separate FF from NFL?Yes, I had Addai as a top-5 FF RB before the season, but that does not mean he is top-5 in NFL talent?

This was posted by you on 11/5/2007...Yesterday, against one of the better defenses in the league, Joseph Addai accomplish ed something no other Colts RB has done...

that means something Dickerson didn't do

something Marshall Faulk didn't do

something Edgerrin James didn't do

and with those three players we are talking about some of the best RBs, not just in Colts history, but in NFL history...

yet none of them ever put up 100 yards rushing and receiving in the same game...

does the system help? yes.

is that why Addai is good? no.

You seem to be comparing Addai to Dickerson, Faulk, and Edge here. This is an NFL talent comparison and not a FF comparison. I am just asking that you stay consistent with your opinions on players.

 

[switz]

The general consensus seems to be that he will be the Packers' starter next year. It just bothers me that he doesn't bring anything special to the table. How many backs in the NFL could be just as productive in that system? How many could be better?

Outside of LT, SJax, Westbrook, MJD, and Bush (albeit only in small flashes) - who does?Grant is a faster, more powerful Willie Parker. He's on par with Frank Gore and Joseph Addai.

What exactly are you looking for?

Didn't you state that Addai was a top 3 RB before the 2007 season?

Why can't people separate FF from NFL?Yes, I had Addai as a top-5 FF RB before the season, but that does not mean he is top-5 in NFL talent?

This was posted by you on 11/5/2007...Yesterday, against one of the better defenses in the league, Joseph Addai accomplished something no other Colts RB has done...

that means something Dickerson didn't do

something Marshall Faulk didn't do

something Edgerrin James didn't do

and with those three players we are talking about some of the best RBs, not just in Colts history, but in NFL history...

yet none of them ever put up 100 yards rushing and receiving in the same game...

does the system help? yes.

is that why Addai is good? no.

You seem to be comparing Addai to Dickerson, Faulk, and Edge here. This is an NFL talent comparison and not a FF comparison. I am just asking that you stay consistent with your opinions on players.

Are you using that to say I called him a top-3 NFL RB? Too bad what I posted doesn't say that at all.I am consistent in my opinions on players. Joseph Addai is a top NFL calibre talent, as I said Grant is a top NFL calibre talent. However, neither of them are "special" like the RBs I mentioned. However, their combinations of talents in all aspects of the game make them top NFL calibre talent.

Point was that outside of a handful of "special" RBs, Grant is top NFL calibre talent

Many however thought Addai was a below average RB - I pointed out that he's not a below average RB. That still doesn't make him top-3 NFL talent either.

 

[Jedimaster21]

Fair enough. You seemed to be indicating that Addai was in the same league as Dickerson, Faulk, and Edge, and I consider all three both "special" and "top 3" while in their prime. Your projections for Addai before the season, along with your arguments during several discussions convinced me that you felt strongly about Addai's talent. Either way, I do think it is early to state that Grant is a top NFL talent. In time he may prove to be, but his lack of pedigree, minimal college production, and lack of elite physical skills makes me a little skeptical about his status as a long term NFL answer at the RB position. I guess we are arguing semantics to a certain degree...to me the difference between "top NFL calibre" and "special" is minimal.

 

[switz]

Fair enough. You seemed to be indicating that Addai was in the same league as Dickerson, Faulk, and Edge, and I consider all three both "special" and "top 3" while in their prime. Your projections for Addai before the season, along with your arguments during several discussions convinced me that you felt strongly about Addai's talent. Either way, I do think it is early to state that Grant is a top NFL talent. In time he may prove to be, but his lack of pedigree, minimal college production, and lack of elite physical skills makes me a little skeptical about his status as a long term NFL answer at the RB position. I guess we are arguing semantics to a certain degree...to me the difference between "top NFL calibre" and "special" is minimal.

Fair enough, and I would agree it is a bit of semantics. I just, when I think of "special" I think of backs that are top NFL talents, but also in some aspect of natural physical talent, they are just rare. Maybe it's speed (Portis, Peterson, Dickerson), maybe it's vision (Edge) or quickness (MJD, Bush, Westbrook), or receiving ability (Faulk, Bush).When I talk about top NFL calibre talent, an RB may not be rare in any one area, but the whole package is among the best in the NFL at that time.And then there are those NFL RBs that are in more than one area rare talents... and we're just privileged to watch them play.

 

[Banger]

he's pretty good.

 

[az_prof]

he's pretty good.

He was lucky those two fumbles didn't end up costing them the game though. I would say it was a mixed bag--he did look very good but you can't fumble in key situations like the playoffs and keep your job for long.

 

[PranksterJD]

he's pretty good.

He was lucky those two fumbles didn't end up costing them the game though. I would say it was a mixed bag--he did look very good but you can't fumble in key situations like the playoffs and keep your job for long.

I'm not sold on Grant either way, but I give McCarthy some credit for sticking with him. Grant obviously had some bad luck and jittery nerves at the beginning of this game, and fought through them well. It seems like a (small) testament to his future in GB that they were willing to hand him back the rock full time instead of going to or splitting with Jackson.

 

[Banger]

he's pretty good.

He was lucky those two fumbles didn't end up costing them the game though. I would say it was a mixed bag--he did look very good but you can't fumble in key situations like the playoffs and keep your job for long.

he had one fumble all season.Not the best way to start but he did decent once he got the jitters out.

 

[omally]

he's pretty good.

He was lucky those two fumbles didn't end up costing them the game though. I would say it was a mixed bag--he did look very good but you can't fumble in key situations like the playoffs and keep your job for long.

Yes you can.

 

[Banger]

he's pretty good.

He was lucky those two fumbles didn't end up costing them the game though. I would say it was a mixed bag--he did look very good but you can't fumble in key situations like the playoffs and keep your job for long.

I'm not sold on Grant either way, but I give McCarthy some credit for sticking with him. Grant obviously had some bad luck and jittery nerves at the beginning of this game, and fought through them well. It seems like a (small) testament to his future in GB that they were willing to hand him back the rock full time instead of going to or splitting with Jackson.

do u remember how Jackson did as their starter?

 

[Rockchild]

I'll give him a break on the fumbles-first playoff start- and he did rebound with a strong game. Brandon Jackson looked alright too as a change of pace guy. Will the Packers draft a back? Maybe but I would think they have to be fairly comfortable going into the season with what they have. It wouldn't surprise me but I don't think it is something they absolutely need.

 

[Banger]

I'll give him a break on the fumbles-first playoff start- and he did rebound with a strong game. Brandon Jackson looked alright too as a change of pace guy. Will the Packers draft a back? Maybe but I would think they have to be fairly comfortable going into the season with what they have. It wouldn't surprise me but I don't think it is something they absolutely need.

Considering he was #2 to LT in the NFL since he became a starter, I'd think the Packers would be happy with that.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

he's pretty good.

He was lucky those two fumbles didn't end up costing them the game though. I would say it was a mixed bag--he did look very good but you can't fumble in key situations like the playoffs and keep your job for long.

Dude.He scored 3 td`s and ran for 200 yards...i think he changed the outcome on his own...it`s like those fumbles never happened...i don`t see where luck had anything to do with the final score.

 

[PranksterJD]

he's pretty good.

He was lucky those two fumbles didn't end up costing them the game though. I would say it was a mixed bag--he did look very good but you can't fumble in key situations like the playoffs and keep your job for long.

I'm not sold on Grant either way, but I give McCarthy some credit for sticking with him. Grant obviously had some bad luck and jittery nerves at the beginning of this game, and fought through them well. It seems like a (small) testament to his future in GB that they were willing to hand him back the rock full time instead of going to or splitting with Jackson.

do u remember how Jackson did as their starter?

Yup. I also remember 113 yds and a 5.7 average in week 17. Granted, that was the Lions, so I'm not going overboard. Besides, I said a "small" testament.

 

[Banger]

he's pretty good.

He was lucky those two fumbles didn't end up costing them the game though. I would say it was a mixed bag--he did look very good but you can't fumble in key situations like the playoffs and keep your job for long.

I'm not sold on Grant either way, but I give McCarthy some credit for sticking with him. Grant obviously had some bad luck and jittery nerves at the beginning of this game, and fought through them well. It seems like a (small) testament to his future in GB that they were willing to hand him back the rock full time instead of going to or splitting with Jackson.

do u remember how Jackson did as their starter?

Yup. I also remember 113 yds and a 5.7 average in week 17. Granted, that was the Lions, so I'm not going overboard. Besides, I said a "small" testament.

He almost had as good a game as Sproles did against the Lions.

 

[jwb]

Yup. I also remember 113 yds and a 5.7 average in week 17. Granted, that was the Lions, so I'm not going overboard.

Week 17 too. Where many teams can't wait to just end the @#$%ing season. In watching the two play, the difference between them is night and day. Grant is the real deal. I suspect if GB had any inkling otherwise, B Jackson starts that third series.

 

[nightmare]

Another vote here that Ryan Grant is next years starter.

Two fumble in two series and they go right back to the guy-speaks volumes

against any off season coach speak about Green Bays plans next year.

300-350 carries. Jackson, Wynn, and Morency are back ups/change of pace.

Why screw with success?

 

[pizzatyme]

Dude looks like Dorsey Levens to me. I think he's a keeper.

 

[PranksterJD]

Yup. I also remember 113 yds and a 5.7 average in week 17. Granted, that was the Lions, so I'm not going overboard.

Week 17 too. Where many teams can't wait to just end the @#$%ing season. In watching the two play, the difference between them is night and day. Grant is the real deal. I suspect if GB had any inkling otherwise, B Jackson starts that third series.

I'm extremely confused about how I ended up quoted as opposition in a post that agrees with my original point, but nonetheless

 

[jwb]

Yup. I also remember 113 yds and a 5.7 average in week 17. Granted, that was the Lions, so I'm not going overboard.

Week 17 too. Where many teams can't wait to just end the @#$%ing season. In watching the two play, the difference between them is night and day. Grant is the real deal. I suspect if GB had any inkling otherwise, B Jackson starts that third series.

I'm extremely confused about how I ended up quoted as opposition in a post that agrees with my original point, but nonetheless

heh heh - I was agreeing with you - just adding that besides the Lions, week 17 is probably the worst week to judge anything

 

[Finatic]

Dude looks like Dorsey Levens to me. I think he's a keeper.

That's exactly who he reminds me of

 

[Marc Levin]

I think Grant will have a better than good shot at retaining the starting gig next year, but the team will want to keep the position competitive - they will not hand him the job based on the previous year's success. Whether that means replacing Jackson or relegating him to 3rd down duties and bringing in competition, I do not know. I do know that the team will take Grant as the 1 over Jackson unless that kid shows a lot more than he did this year. The team also likes to have a workhorse, but they need a pass catcher out of the backfield. Is that Jackson or will Grant develop better hands?

Before he will be an elite NFL or FF talent, the pass catching duties and his status as the #1 in G.B. will have to be established.

Finally - I do not know the answer here - how was his pass blocking and blitz pickup this season? I genuinely did not notice him one way or the other in that regard, but those aspects of his duties will determine if he's NFL-elite. Every guy mentioned here as NFL elite is a great pass blocker and/or great pass catcher. Addai, LT, Portis, SJax, Westbrook, MJ-D, Bush, Parker, Gore, etc. They all either catch the ball extremely well or are exceptional in blitz pickup (Portis is the best pass blocking starting RB In the league, IMO)

 

[hauser42]

Grant was going to be the starter next year even before he had the huge game yesterday. Jackson looks like a solid backup since he has gotten better as the year went on and with another training camp should be even better. Packers will not be looking for a RB in the early rounds unless someone falls to them.

All this arguement about what Grant brings to the table and how special he is makes me laugh. Look at the all time NFL rushing leader, what was so special about Emmitt? He has a great line that allowed him to get yards, with out a good line few RBs can get yeards.

 

[AussieOyOyOy]

His teammates' and coaches' reaction to his fumbling on the first two possessions spoke volumes to me. His teammates were falling over themselves to go pat his shoulder pads. His coaches sent him right back out there and gave him the ball in power running formations.

This kid is the RB up there for some time to come.