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Im glad you think so...considering how smart you were in that Tennessee thread.Kevin Jones? Not really...look who Jones did it against...it was 8 games against some of the worst defenses in the league that year. Grant did it against some tough Ds including Minny last year.No vision? I don't think you all watched him at all last year.His vision and cuts is what made him standout and made him that much better than Jackson.Has he all of a sudden lost that? I doubt it.
I don't think he lacks pedigree at all.How much of that was said before his hurt his hamstring? Oh wait...you forget about such things just to try and bash someone.Ooops...oh...and the season ends after 4 weeks?I guess Peyton is a bust too right?
He cost you your season?I suggest you did not draft that good and your first pick hurt you just as much.you drafted a guy with a bum hammy and did not properly back him up.Don't blame Grant, blame yourself.
Man.. You act as if your his agent.. I am just stating what I watched, and this year he has looked bad.
Then you have not watched much.You also stated Tennessee was overrated and would be exposed.So you are pretty much 0-2.
Do you honestly know what pedigree is in football terms? If you think Grant has isn't lacking in that department, then you don't. Obviously the season is only 25% complete, but Grant has definitely been a disappointment thus far. And Jackson has been solid enough to earn playing time every few series and on third down. I am also not trying to bash you, but you seem to be a raging Green Bay fan that needs a reality check now and again. I am the same way about the Eagles, so I understand. You just have a hard time being objective when it comes to Packers. Grant just isn't that good.
This is the problem, Grant isnt going to make alot plays on his own. He benefited a great deal from a potent passing attack last year. He is not a bad player, but he is going to be very dependant on his supporting cast.
While I agree somewhat with this....the GB running attack is based on the strength of the o-line. The RB isn't required to "make a lot of plays on his own". So, as today showed, if the o-line goes, so does Ryan Grant. In all fairness to him, this same fate would cover about 85% of the RBs in the NFL if they were in his shoes today.
Were not too far off on our opinions, however, i can think of at least 12-15 RB's who would have had more success in Grants shoes today. Which i guess is just me saying i dont think Grant is in the top half of talented RB's in the league.
I know what pedigree is...I know the guy was good enough to play for Notre Dame.I know he was good enough to make it in the NFL.I know he was good enough to be the 2nd best runner in the league last year over the last 8 games.I know he was good enough to run for 200+ yards in a playoff game.Jackson was so solid he caused an INT right?Look...if the coaches though Jackson was that good or better than Grant...he would be in the game.If I am just a raging GB fan, would I not want the best thing on the field at all times? I would think so. IMO, and obviously in the opinion of the coaches...Ryan Grant is the best RB they have.Just a homer call would be to just write it off saying they were playing a solid defense.You don't see me doing that.The line sucked...Grant was not running well either.It was not just Grant being awful or lacking pedigree. Saying he just isn't that good...is simply an opinion that has little fact to back it up.
I guess you missed some of his runs last year. Particularly against Chicago and Dallas...when the pass game was not going all that well.Oh...and why is it that no other RB on that roster was benefiting from that potent passing attack until Grant took over?
Wow.Grant rushed for 20 on 15.Jackson rushes for 0 on 1.Rodgers goes 165 on 27 attempts, with a 55.9 QB rating, 3 sacks and 3 int's.Obviously the problem is Grant. He must not have been blocking that well for Jackson or Rodgers either.
GRANT HAS LOOKED BAD ALL YEAR!HE HAS SOMETHING LIKE 40 CARRIES FOR 80 YARDS IN HIS LAST 3 GAMES. I HAVE GRANT AND HAD HIM AS MY #1 IN MY 14-TEAM KEEPER LEAGUE - WHAT A WASTE SO FAR!!!LUCKILY I HAD A HUNCH ON SLATON AND DRAFTED HIM AND MADE A TRADE FOR LJ.GRANT IS THE BEST RB ON THE TEAM BUT HE HAS LOOKED BAD, HOWEVER SO HAS THE GB OL.sho nuff said:
Why are you yelling?
I can't believe it took this long in this thread to pin down the reason why Grant sucks. Ryan Grant isn't any different than he was last year...the only difference is Favre is gone and defenses don't respect Rodgers as much as they did Favre. I said it when he got traded, Brett Favre makes a lot of average guys look like Pro Bowlers.How long before the Jets start getting their running game cranking when Favre is chucking 6 td's a game? Remember those gigantic holes Grant ran through last year.....it will be Jones and Washington if Favre keeps it up.Scooby1974 said:
Because he is mad he has not watched a single packer game and can only look at stat sheets.Why are you yelling?
Maybe.Though, he is a bit different than last year.Up until yesterday he had been on the injury report nursing a hamstring issue and his starting center was out.Yesterday was the first time they had the line together and he was not on the injury report.Should it have been better? Sure...but simply put, it was not.Dlineman manhandling the Oline has little to do with Rodgers vs. Favre. Its one thing if they are constantly bringing in blitzs and different things...but it was the Dline doing a tone of damage on the Packers.I remember some good holes Grant ran through against Seattle...though, don't recall a ton of Gigantic holes that he ran through all year...and with that great passing game, how come Wynn had no gigantic holes...how come Jones has not had those gigantic holes so far?How come TD throwing Jesus basically threw the SD game away in the 1st half?Oh...and we heard Favre made average people look great argument with Jennings...so far, that one looks to be completely laughable.
What I said about Tenn has nothing to do with Grant.. You never have been wrong on who was going to win a game???Now on to Grant..I have watched all of GB games and Grant has looked horrid.. People wanted to make excuses and say he is injured but even an injured RB can get yards vs the Lions.. Jackson even did well vs the Lions.I think you will find no one ouside a hopeful Grant owner that will tell you Grant has looked good.So if you say I obviously have not watched much, PLEASE TELL ME OUTSIDE 1 RUN VS MINN WHERE GRANT HAS LOOKED GOOD..... VS LIONS LOOKED TERRIBLEVS COWBOYS LOOKED BADVS BUCS LOOKED AWFULsho nuff said:
Im saying its partially the line not giving him a chance.Its partially him not being right, whether its the injury or missing time or what, not hitting the lanes like he did last year.Change may be coming with Wells getting back in there...if Sitton gets put in with Spitz over Colledge at the other guard spot...there could be change.But things changed pretty quickly last year too with this line and running game.
Except he did not look bad against the Cowboys.And it was not just one run against Minny either.What you said on TN matters because why should we trust what you say, given how completely wrong you were with your assessment of the Titans. It was not even close.If you have watched all the Packers games, there is no way you would say he just looked horrid. Because simply put, he has not looked horrid in all of the games. He just hasn't.Oh...and I don't own grant in any single league. Could get Jackson or Lumpy if I wanted him pretty easily.
Laugh all you want....So far Coles, Cotchery, and Keller look a lot better than Green Bay's Jennings, Driver, and Lee. Most likely similar talent, but QB play determines how well they do.
With Favre last year...Coles and Cotchery looked better than Driver.And Jennings looks better than all of them.Lee was a target last year...not getting targets this year...not sure anyone expected he would. Looks like Nelson is getting much more from Rodgers...and I would suspect Martin will get looks as well as he and Rodgers have a good relationship from life on the 2nd string.
Interesting take considering many people said Brandon Jackson stunk it up and lost his job last year for many of the same reasons.Health and consistency make all the difference in the world.
Brandon Jackson was also thrust in there because of injuries in camp.Jackson also had poor blocking skills all camp and into the season.Oh...and he got hurt which is why Wynn took over in the first place.And Grant has shown in the past he does not lack the vision or the burst through those holes.
I agree...
Well you better hope he blows ATL up this week or your going to look more foolish than I did in my Tenn prediction and will lose any credit on player evaluation.At home vs. Atl does not get any easier.I'll be pullin for ya
How will I look foolish?Did you see me predict any numbers for the guy against ATL?Well you better hope he blows ATL up this week or your going to look more foolish than I did in my Tenn prediction and will lose any credit on player evaluation.At home vs. Atl does not get any easier.I'll be pullin for ya
I do own Grant and right now in my leagues scoring system Jackson is outscoring Grant 19-14. It's pretty hard to view that in any way that is positivefor Grant.I'm not saying that I'd rather have Jackson than Grant. Right now neither one is startable and if Grant doesn't pick it up, he won't be rosterable.
Because you continue to defend Grant and insist he's not a "one year wonder" ala K.Jones or A-Train. If he does not bust out this weekend then there is zero doubt he's a BUSTHow will I look foolish?Did you see me predict any numbers for the guy against ATL?Well you better hope he blows ATL up this week or your going to look more foolish than I did in my Tenn prediction and will lose any credit on player evaluation.At home vs. Atl does not get any easier.I'll be pullin for ya
No, but you've been e-sucking him off every post for quite a while. If he doesn't tear up a terrible Atlanta defense, you WILL look foolish. Especially when you're here on Monday making more excuses for him.How will I look foolish?Did you see me predict any numbers for the guy against ATL?Well you better hope he blows ATL up this week or your going to look more foolish than I did in my Tenn prediction and will lose any credit on player evaluation.At home vs. Atl does not get any easier.I'll be pullin for ya
So, if the line sucks again and Grant does nothing...I will be wrong about him not looking awful in the Dallas game and Minny game?Because you continue to defend Grant and insist he's not a "one year wonder" ala K.Jones or A-Train. If he does not bust out this weekend then there is zero doubt he's a BUSTHow will I look foolish?Did you see me predict any numbers for the guy against ATL?Well you better hope he blows ATL up this week or your going to look more foolish than I did in my Tenn prediction and will lose any credit on player evaluation.At home vs. Atl does not get any easier.I'll be pullin for ya
I have not said much about him not being a one year wonder.I don't think he will be and was unaware the season ends after 4-5 weeks.There is no way you can be wrong since you'll just blame it on the o-line.The o-line isn't bad at all, it's Grant making them look bad.So, if the line sucks again and Grant does nothing...I will be wrong about him not looking awful in the Dallas game and Minny game?Because you continue to defend Grant and insist he's not a "one year wonder" ala K.Jones or A-Train. If he does not bust out this weekend then there is zero doubt he's a BUSTHow will I look foolish?Did you see me predict any numbers for the guy against ATL?Well you better hope he blows ATL up this week or your going to look more foolish than I did in my Tenn prediction and will lose any credit on player evaluation.At home vs. Atl does not get any easier.I'll be pullin for ya
No, but you've been e-sucking him off every post for quite a while. If he doesn't tear up a terrible Atlanta defense, you WILL look foolish. Especially when you're here on Monday making more excuses for him.How will I look foolish?Did you see me predict any numbers for the guy against ATL?Well you better hope he blows ATL up this week or your going to look more foolish than I did in my Tenn prediction and will lose any credit on player evaluation.At home vs. Atl does not get any easier.I'll be pullin for ya
Nice...e-sucking him off huh?Me saying it was partially him and partially the line is that now?Good lord some of you have trouble with people actually looking into a whole situation and not jumping on one guy to put the blame on.Too funny.
I did put blame on him toThere is no way you can be wrong since you'll just blame it on the o-line.The o-line isn't bad at all, it's Grant making them look bad.So, if the line sucks again and Grant does nothing...I will be wrong about him not looking awful in the Dallas game and Minny game?Because you continue to defend Grant and insist he's not a "one year wonder" ala K.Jones or A-Train. If he does not bust out this weekend then there is zero doubt he's a BUSTHow will I look foolish?Did you see me predict any numbers for the guy against ATL?Well you better hope he blows ATL up this week or your going to look more foolish than I did in my Tenn prediction and will lose any credit on player evaluation.At home vs. Atl does not get any easier.I'll be pullin for ya
ther than that...spot on analysis.The line is not bad at all? And you wonder why I question if you have watched any Packer game all year?I guess it was all Grant's fault that he gets hit in the backfield...all his fault that Dallas sacked Rodgers 5 times and Tampa got him 3 more times right?Anyone claiming the line has not played bad at all cannot be taken seriously when discussing the Packers.I can virtually guarantee i've seen more Packer games then you, not that it means much but you keep harping about it.The line has looked fine for the most part, it isn't their fault that Grant can't find a hole. Also many of the hits Rodgers has taken were when he leaves the pocket and that isn't the lines fault.You make Packer fans look bad, please stop.I did put blame on him toThere is no way you can be wrong since you'll just blame it on the o-line.The o-line isn't bad at all, it's Grant making them look bad.So, if the line sucks again and Grant does nothing...I will be wrong about him not looking awful in the Dallas game and Minny game?Because you continue to defend Grant and insist he's not a "one year wonder" ala K.Jones or A-Train. If he does not bust out this weekend then there is zero doubt he's a BUSTHow will I look foolish?Did you see me predict any numbers for the guy against ATL?Well you better hope he blows ATL up this week or your going to look more foolish than I did in my Tenn prediction and will lose any credit on player evaluation.At home vs. Atl does not get any easier.I'll be pullin for ya
The first line of your second statement is why I question if you have watched the games.Nobody who honestly watched the last two games would conclude the line looked fine. They have been manhandled 2 weeks in a row. The Dallas game sacks were almost exclusively in the pocket...so again, I question whether you watched the games.I make Packer fans look bad because I can put the blame in more than one spot and you are stuck harping about one guy (that you have been harping about since the offseason)? Im glad you think so...or you can just keep try to sling random insults at me...pretty laughable.
i was actually at the Dallas game in person, so try again.The Dallas D-Line did own the Pack, that is why i said for the most part the o-line has looked decent. Not great, but definitely not horrible as you have implied.I've talked to tons of Packer fans, most will admit Grant has looked bad, whether it's because he isn't very good or due to injury the bottom line is that he's sucked for the most part, that can't be denied...unless your ShoNuff.
