Ryan Grant (1 Viewer)

[gman37]

I see Ryan Grant getting drafted in the late 2nd early 3rd in all PPR mock drafts. Is it crazy to think this guy should be drafted over the likes of Ryan Matthews, DeAngelo Williams, Shonn Greene, Jamaal Charles, Rashard Mendenhall.

He is the main rb on an explosive offense and had 1200 rushing yards and 11 td's last year. Plus, he has no competition. I think similar numbers are likely again. I can't say the same for an unproven Ryan Matthews and Shonn Greene. Jamaal Charles and DeAngelo Williams have higher upside and are more dynamic, however, they have to split a large amount of carries. Rashard Mendenhall has a suspect OL and will be without Rothlisberger for 4 weeks.

Overall, while not a dynamic choice, I think Ryan Grant warrants more consideration than these 5 guys and would be a steady pick early 2nd round.

Any thoughts on this.

 

[SD Phootballers]

Ryan Grant is a plodder. Will be solid, won't come anywhere near the top 5, but should be within the top 15 barring injury. Low risk, decent return pick in the early/mid 2nd round.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

He should get drafted about where Joseph Addai gets drafted in the early 4th round. However folks seem to think his season last year was a lot better than it really was. He was a steady diet of 12-15 points in PPR with only 2 games in the 1st 13 where he crossed the 20 point mark but he also crossed that mark twice in the playoffs for owners so they are sweet on him and he ends up going in the mid to late 2nd.

 

[healthpellets]

i got him at 4.4, but it was a wacky draft.

i see him doing no worse than t15, but i suspect he'll have plenty of opportunities to improve on last year's numbers.

 

[Ghost Rider]

He should get drafted about where Joseph Addai gets drafted in the early 4th round. However folks seem to think his season last year was a lot better than it really was. He was a steady diet of 12-15 points in PPR with only 2 games in the 1st 13 where he crossed the 20 point mark but he also crossed that mark twice in the playoffs for owners so they are sweet on him and he ends up going in the mid to late 2nd.

:X 1,400 total yards and 11 touchdowns is awfully good, IMO. Okay, he rarely has those monster games that you often want out of a top tier RB, but he is very steady. I think he is a solid middle to late 2nd round pick. In that offense, it will take an injury or a major dropoff for him not to be productive.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

He should get drafted about where Joseph Addai gets drafted in the early 4th round. However folks seem to think his season last year was a lot better than it really was. He was a steady diet of 12-15 points in PPR with only 2 games in the 1st 13 where he crossed the 20 point mark but he also crossed that mark twice in the playoffs for owners so they are sweet on him and he ends up going in the mid to late 2nd.

1,400 total yards and 11 touchdowns is awfully good, IMO. Okay, he rarely has those monster games that you often want out of a top tier RB, but he is very steady. I think he is a solid middle to late 2nd round pick. In that offense, it will take an injury or a major dropoff for him not to be productive.

Stats in a vacuum don't tell the whole story.

 

[Ghost Rider]

He should get drafted about where Joseph Addai gets drafted in the early 4th round. However folks seem to think his season last year was a lot better than it really was. He was a steady diet of 12-15 points in PPR with only 2 games in the 1st 13 where he crossed the 20 point mark but he also crossed that mark twice in the playoffs for owners so they are sweet on him and he ends up going in the mid to late 2nd.

1,400 total yards and 11 touchdowns is awfully good, IMO. Okay, he rarely has those monster games that you often want out of a top tier RB, but he is very steady. I think he is a solid middle to late 2nd round pick. In that offense, it will take an injury or a major dropoff for him not to be productive.

Stats in a vacuum don't tell the whole story.

Not counting the week 17 game, which is meaningless for most fantasy owners: -Grant scored in 8 of the Packers 15 games-Grant had 90 yards combined rushing and receiving in 9 of the Packers 15 games-Grant didn't either score or have 90 combined yards in 2 of the Packers 15 gamesSo, in almost every Packers game, you got either a score or good yardage out of Grant, and sometimes both. Sounds pretty damn solid to me. No, he isn't Chris Johnson or Adrian Peterson, and no, he isn't used nearly enough in the passing game, but you could do a lot worse in the middle to late 2nd round, IMO.

 

[Statler & Waldorf]

I saw someone else in another Grant thread compare him to Rudi Johnson and I like that comparison. I think Grant is a solid and safe option as a RB1 but he won't win you many weeks. However, if you hit on one of the many supposed "late round gems" at RB this year, he would be a great #2.

 

[DansRams]

Grant is a low RB1/high RB2 in standard scoring and should go in the mid 2nd round

He is a mid to low RB2 in ppr and should go in the mid 3rd

In both formats you can get Foster in the late 3rd or 4th and get better value

 

[smackdaddies]

In PPR, If he is your number 1 RB, not so great. Good as a number 2 RB, a steal as your #3.

In TD only, good #1. 8-10 TD's will make him well appreciated.

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

10 team (3) keeper league. All td's 6 pts. My keepers were Aaron Rodgers, Miles Austin and Greg Jennings. Somewhat of a whacky format.Must maintain a roster of 2QB's,4RB's,4WR's,2TE's,2PK's,2DEF. Actually it works pretty good this way. Anyway on to Ryan Grant. I won the league last year so my first pick after my 3 keepers was 4.10 and I was able to get Grant with that pick and at the 5.01 turn I took Jahvid Best. While I don't think Grants gonna set the world on fire he'll be a serviceable RB1 for me.As I said I also drafted Jahvid Best who could have a good rookie year and I'm hoping for a bounce back year for Ronnie Brown who I got at 7.01 and my 4th RB Marion Barber I was very pleased to get at 11.01. We start 1QB,2RB,2WR,1TE,1PK,1DEF. No flex position. So I think I can get enough production starting 2 of the 4 backs I picked up in the draft. I'm hoping my 2 best backs will be Grant and Best but won't be disappointed if Brown and Barber tear it up some. Oh yeah, this is a Non-PPR league except for TE's who get .5 pts.per reception. I'm happy with both my TE's, Vernon Davis and John Carlson.

 

[Statler & Waldorf]

10 team (3) keeper league. All td's 6 pts. My keepers were Aaron Rodgers, Miles Austin and Greg Jennings. Somewhat of a whacky format.Must maintain a roster of 2QB's,4RB's,4WR's,2TE's,2PK's,2DEF. Actually it works pretty good this way. Anyway on to Ryan Grant. I won the league last year so my first pick after my 3 keepers was 4.10 and I was able to get Grant with that pick and at the 5.01 turn I took Jahvid Best. While I don't think Grants gonna set the world on fire he'll be a serviceable RB1 for me.As I said I also drafted Jahvid Best who could have a good rookie year and I'm hoping for a bounce back year for Ronnie Brown who I got at 7.01 and my 4th RB Marion Barber I was very pleased to get at 11.01. We start 1QB,2RB,2WR,1TE,1PK,1DEF. No flex position. So I think I can get enough production starting 2 of the 4 backs I picked up in the draft. I'm hoping my 2 best backs will be Grant and Best but won't be disappointed if Brown and Barber tear it up some.

You're awesome.

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

10 team (3) keeper league. All td's 6 pts. My keepers were Aaron Rodgers, Miles Austin and Greg Jennings. Somewhat of a whacky format.Must maintain a roster of 2QB's,4RB's,4WR's,2TE's,2PK's,2DEF. Actually it works pretty good this way. Anyway on to Ryan Grant. I won the league last year so my first pick after my 3 keepers was 4.10 and I was able to get Grant with that pick and at the 5.01 turn I took Jahvid Best. While I don't think Grants gonna set the world on fire he'll be a serviceable RB1 for me.As I said I also drafted Jahvid Best who could have a good rookie year and I'm hoping for a bounce back year for Ronnie Brown who I got at 7.01 and my 4th RB Marion Barber I was very pleased to get at 11.01. We start 1QB,2RB,2WR,1TE,1PK,1DEF. No flex position. So I think I can get enough production starting 2 of the 4 backs I picked up in the draft. I'm hoping my 2 best backs will be Grant and Best but won't be disappointed if Brown and Barber tear it up some.

You're awesome.

It's only the money that's awesome. Sorry I can't be the stud expert fantasy footballer but as long as I have fun with it I don't care what others think.

 

[coyote5]

He was kept in my keep 3 league. Subsequently the guy with the #1 pick took Miles Austin who somehow wasn't kept, and then traded Austin for Ryan Grant instead of drafting Mathews, Best, Benson etc....

*shrug* I was baffled.... and upset, because I thought Austin was falling to me at #3. Anyway, no idea how Grant got valued that way, it was ridiculous to me.

 

[bulger2holt]

I am taking Best, Foster and Spiller over Grant. I just think they have higher ceilings.

 

[bostonfred]

There was another thread arguing whether Chris Johnson should be drafted #1 overall, even though people expect a regression, and acknowledge that he probably won't be the #1 player at the end of the year. And the thought process was, sure, I don't expect him to be #1 overall, but if I had to guess which guy was going to be #1, there is nobody I think has a better chance of doing it. And while it's probably true that at least one of Rice, or Jones-Drew, or Peterson, or Turner, or Jackson, or Gore, or some other guy nobody expects WILL expect Johnson, picking any single one of them to outperform Johnson is a losing bet.

Here, we have a guy that people think will be top 15, and probably higher. And the consensus is that he's not flashy, but not really a risky pick, in a high powered offense, with the job pretty much locked up. But then we see a slew of guys getting drafted ahead of him, and the argument in each case is, I think they could be top 10. Well, Grant was top 10 last year in my leagues. And while it's probably true that Matthews, or Best, or any of the other guys who are sneaking ahead of him on the draft charts COULD outperform Grant, picking any single one of them to do it may also be a losing bet. So from that perspective, I think Grant is very undervalued.

Ministry of Pain had a good thread about the importance of your RB2, WR2 and WR3 positions, and how you shouldn't want to start RB24 because you'll be behind everyone else in a 12 team, start 2 RB league. Picking a guy who will probably be RB12 or RB15 at the end of the year probably isn't going to win you your league, but it's a top notch RB2. At some point, it makes sense to take your shot at grabbing guys you think could be RB1 if things broke right. It's just that Grant is so likely to be a quality start each week that it seems a little too early to me to trade money in the bank for a lottery ticket.

 

[curta269]

I drafted him at 3.05 of my 10 team league. I had already taken RBs with my 1st 2 picks and really wanted a WR, but it was hard to pass on Grant as we also have a flex position I can start him at.

I hope the Draft Dominator did not do me wrong!

 

[Ministry of Pain]

This is in response to Ghost who I always enjoy reading and also to the big Ryan grant 2nd round supporters.

2009...PPR

Week 1-20th

Week2-20th

Week3-28th

Week4-16th...he hasn't cracked the top 10 yet. Middle of the 2nd round?

Week5-Bye

Week6-14th

And I can tell you from the RB thread that owners were moaning and groaning about this guy and some were benching him at times. This is about half the season for most owners and Grant never won a single game for them. Where was he drafted last season? 3rd-4th round, maybe 5th? So he was a pretty large investment for owners.

Week7-7th

Week8-32nd

week9-15th

week10-27th

Again we are 10 weeks in and he has cracked the top10 a total of 1 time. I'm not saying he is single handedly losing games for owners but to this point he was putting no one over the top. We get caught up in the hype or what we perceive to be reality but Grant was a steady producer in the mid teens to mid 20s week in and week out, that seems far remvoed from an RB1 status. And even though he is going to finish 10th overall at the end of the season, if you looked at the "3 most important slots" thread I wrote up you will see that I do not subscribe to there being 12 RB1s in a 12 team format, far from it. Grant is an OK RB2 and a better RB3/flex if you look at what he did for the majority of the season. But owners got excited because he is going to do some nice things for owners down the stretch. But again, he could have been relegated to the bench if folks drafted deep and possibly had other options.

Week11-5th

Week12-23rd

week13-55th...and this is the week before the playoffs for many owners. I bet at least a few did not have him in their line ups to start the playoffs.

Week14-5th

Week15-29th...so owners might have seen him have a big week, rush to get him back in there and they get a marginal top30 performance.

Week16-9th

I really believe most that grab him in the middle of the 2nd are going to be disappointed compared to where you can find similar stats and performance 2 rounds later. I don't dislike Grant at all, he is a fairly safe pick. But I am not looking for 12 points a week in the middle of the 2nd round, I can find that later in the draft.

Thanks

 

[SD Phootballers]

This is in response to Ghost who I always enjoy reading and also to the big Ryan grant 2nd round supporters. 2009...PPRWeek 1-20thWeek2-20thWeek3-28thWeek4-16th...he hasn't cracked the top 10 yet. Middle of the 2nd round?Week5-ByeWeek6-14thAnd I can tell you from the RB thread that owners were moaning and groaning about this guy and some were benching him at times. This is about half the season for most owners and Grant never won a single game for them. Where was he drafted last season? 3rd-4th round, maybe 5th? So he was a pretty large investment for owners. Week7-7thWeek8-32ndweek9-15thweek10-27thAgain we are 10 weeks in and he has cracked the top10 a total of 1 time. I'm not saying he is single handedly losing games for owners but to this point he was putting no one over the top. We get caught up in the hype or what we perceive to be reality but Grant was a steady producer in the mid teens to mid 20s week in and week out, that seems far remvoed from an RB1 status. And even though he is going to finish 10th overall at the end of the season, if you looked at the "3 most important slots" thread I wrote up you will see that I do not subscribe to there being 12 RB1s in a 12 team format, far from it. Grant is an OK RB2 and a better RB3/flex if you look at what he did for the majority of the season. But owners got excited because he is going to do some nice things for owners down the stretch. But again, he could have been relegated to the bench if folks drafted deep and possibly had other options. Week11-5thWeek12-23rdweek13-55th...and this is the week before the playoffs for many owners. I bet at least a few did not have him in their line ups to start the playoffs. Week14-5thWeek15-29th...so owners might have seen him have a big week, rush to get him back in there and they get a marginal top30 performance. Week16-9thI really believe most that grab him in the middle of the 2nd are going to be disappointed compared to where you can find similar stats and performance 2 rounds later. I don't dislike Grant at all, he is a fairly safe pick. But I am not looking for 12 points a week in the middle of the 2nd round, I can find that later in the draft. Thanks

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

It simply depends on your scoring system....in one league I am in, he was RB11. Yet, in another he was RB18, just based on raw fantasy points.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Good posts by MOP and bostonfred.

While it is true, MOP, that Grant may not have won a lot of owners games, he rarely has terrible games and loses games for you. He is not a home run hitter; he is a singles guy. In that respect, yes, he is a safe pick,and yes, you can find guys like that a few rounds later, but they likely are not as big a sure things, so the odds of missing are higher. Late 2nd round is not really a place to swing for the fences, which is what some people do, and if you miss badly in the 2nd round (like I did last year with Brian Westbrook, who I hold responsible for keeping my otherwise stellar from finishing 1st, although I did finish in 3rd), it can be hard to recover from that. Grant is safe - some would even say boring - but steady producers are good anchors for any fantasy team.

Also, not that Westbrook was me swinging for the fences last year, as most had him projected as a top 25 pick, but I was just illustrating how a 2nd round miss can be very costly.

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

In my 3 keeper money league Grant finished 47th overall and #9 for RB's. Non-PPR league.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

10 team (3) keeper league. All td's 6 pts. My keepers were Aaron Rodgers, Miles Austin and Greg Jennings. Somewhat of a whacky format.Must maintain a roster of 2QB's,4RB's,4WR's,2TE's,2PK's,2DEF. Actually it works pretty good this way. Anyway on to Ryan Grant. I won the league last year so my first pick after my 3 keepers was 4.10 and I was able to get Grant with that pick and at the 5.01 turn I took Jahvid Best. While I don't think Grants gonna set the world on fire he'll be a serviceable RB1 for me.As I said I also drafted Jahvid Best who could have a good rookie year and I'm hoping for a bounce back year for Ronnie Brown who I got at 7.01 and my 4th RB Marion Barber I was very pleased to get at 11.01. We start 1QB,2RB,2WR,1TE,1PK,1DEF. No flex position. So I think I can get enough production starting 2 of the 4 backs I picked up in the draft. I'm hoping my 2 best backs will be Grant and Best but won't be disappointed if Brown and Barber tear it up some.

You're awesome.

It's only the money that's awesome. Sorry I can't be the stud expert fantasy footballer but as long as I have fun with it I don't care what others think.

You "don't care" so much that you wrote a paragraph detailing your draft results to strangers who have no stake in your league whatsoever. I think that's what he meant by posting "you're awesome."Regarding Grant, he's not the focal point of the offense and he's not a big receiving option. He has almost no upside. Maybe a higher floor than many, but he seems to just eek out enough production to remain a starter on a fantasy team, even though owners wish he'd do more or someone else would step up and claim that spot.I think Green Bay feels the same way about him. He does just enough.

 

[flranger]

$33 in $200 auction, 12 team. 2QB/2RB/3WR/TE/K/DEF PPR league.

 

[jcuadrado]

He was the #8 RB in my PPR league last year. May not give you huge monster games....but he's a steady #2 RB. Great to pair up with a knockout RB1...

 

[unckeyherb]

I saw someone else in another Grant thread compare him to Rudi Johnson and I like that comparison. I think Grant is a solid and safe option as a RB1 but he won't win you many weeks. However, if you hit on one of the many supposed "late round gems" at RB this year, he would be a great #2.

That may have been me, as I have posted that in a few threads. people say he is not a guy that will win it for you but I'd say he is a Guy that wont lose it for you and gives later high upside picks like Best the consistent points needed to support the good games and the bad, allowing them to 'win it for you'. 1400/12 is his floor this year. Probably not much higher for his ceiling, but for a guy that can be had as a RB 2, I'll take that.