Ryan Mathews....no respect?....get on this hype train (1 Viewer)

[RudiStein]

friend who compete (bodybuilding) when they do there Several years ago a doctor was at my gym and he asked me if I was on steroids and at the time I had 10% body fat.

You just can't find more compelling evidence than this, folks.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

friend who compete (bodybuilding) when they do there Several years ago a doctor was at my gym and he asked me if I was on steroids and at the time I had 10% body fat.

You just can't find more compelling evidence than this, folks.

This seriously made me laugh out loud in my office, multiple times.

 

[Pickle Rody]

I would appreciate if the discussion in this thread returned to Ryan Matthews. Instead of debating body fat percentage and likelihood of steroid use, let's get back to talking about his prospects as a NFL player. Please.

Is he at the combine? Do we have any info on how that is going for him?

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

I would appreciate if the discussion in this thread returned to Ryan Matthews. Instead of debating body fat percentage and likelihood of steroid use, let's get back to talking about his prospects as a NFL player. Please.Is he at the combine? Do we have any info on how that is going for him?

The more I look at Mathews, the more I see him as my #1 RB in this class. I think at this point the only thing that might kill that for me would be if he were to be drafted into an awful situation. I will be very interested to see what kind of numbers he puts up at the combine.

 

[Pickle Rody]

The more I look at Mathews, the more I see him as my #1 RB in this class. I think at this point the only thing that might kill that for me would be if he were to be drafted into an awful situation. I will be very interested to see what kind of numbers he puts up at the combine.

I already have Matthews as my top RB in this years class. I too, am hoping he lands in a real nice situation, but I just don't have a clue which NFL teams are truly taking an interest in him at this point.Funny though, I was high on Chris Johnson prior to the NFL draft in '08, and when he was drafted by Tennessee, I thought it was not the ideal situation with White already there. Now, I'm not saying Matthews is 2010's version of Johnson skill-set-wise, but I do think that he will be able to be very successful at the next level. The better the situation he lands in, the quicker he will become a RB1 for fantasy purposes.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I would appreciate if the discussion in this thread returned to Ryan Matthews. Instead of debating body fat percentage and likelihood of steroid use, let's get back to talking about his prospects as a NFL player. Please.Is he at the combine? Do we have any info on how that is going for him?

The more I look at Mathews, the more I see him as my #1 RB in this class. I think at this point the only thing that might kill that for me would be if he were to be drafted into an awful situation. I will be very interested to see what kind of numbers he puts up at the combine.

I strongly feel that he has succeed at every level and will continue to in the NFL. I think the Combine will really put him on the map of the people that aren't aware of him. He will put up impressive numbers IMO.

 

[nightmare]

Talent trumps situation. When LT went to SD they were awful.

People in rookie drafts were considering M Bennett(Vikings) over him.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

Talent trumps situation. When LT went to SD they were awful. People in rookie drafts were considering M Bennett(Vikings) over him.

I agree, but I don't think there is a LT to Bennett type talent gap between this years RB's. Situation may just seperate some of them.

 

[nightmare]

Hipster-you can say that NOW. Back then the difference looked small.

The Vikes had an offense where the argument was "anybody could get

1200/10" and Bennett looked like the replacement to R Smith.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

Hipster-you can say that NOW. Back then the difference looked small. The Vikes had an offense where the argument was "anybody could get 1200/10" and Bennett looked like the replacement to R Smith.

I saw enough of Bennett in college to make that statement then too.

 

[Matt Waldman]

Talent trumps situation. When LT went to SD they were awful. People in rookie drafts were considering M Bennett(Vikings) over him.

I agree, but I don't think there is a LT to Bennett type talent gap between this years RB's. Situation may just seperate some of them.

There were GMs who like Bennett better than LT. That was also the draft where LaMont Jordan was considered a big-time player in the second tier of backs off the board.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Talent trumps situation. When LT went to SD they were awful. People in rookie drafts were considering M Bennett(Vikings) over him.

I agree, but I don't think there is a LT to Bennett type talent gap between this years RB's. Situation may just seperate some of them.

There were GMs who like Bennett better than LT. That was also the draft where LaMont Jordan was considered a big-time player in the second tier of backs off the board.

FWIW, I liked Jordan a lot, although I wasn't high on Bennett. I got LT in my only league that year, but remember that he held out. I think he reported to camp right before my draft. So I think that may have pushed some people to take Bennett over him, as much as the team/speed/college competition did.

 

[AngryPatriot]

He gets no respect because of his total yards from scrimmage= 0. He's getting respect as a good prospect for the NFL.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Talent trumps situation. When LT went to SD they were awful. People in rookie drafts were considering M Bennett(Vikings) over him.

I agree, but I don't think there is a LT to Bennett type talent gap between this years RB's. Situation may just seperate some of them.

There were GMs who like Bennett better than LT. That was also the draft where LaMont Jordan was considered a big-time player in the second tier of backs off the board.

FWIW, I liked Jordan a lot, although I wasn't high on Bennett. I got LT in my only league that year, but remember that he held out. I think he reported to camp right before my draft. So I think that may have pushed some people to take Bennett over him, as much as the team/speed/college competition did.

Yeh I remember Jordan being a tough back out of Maryland. Also that LT was less than impressive his first game.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

 

[RudiStein]

He gets no respect because of his total yards from scrimmage= 0. He's getting respect as a good prospect for the NFL.

 

[RudiStein]

Matthews only managed 19 reps in the BP. Not so great.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Matthews only managed 19 reps in the BP. Not so great.

So you want to knock Mathews down for 19....but what about Dwyer, Spiller, or Best....b/c they didn't perform any better.

 

[AngryPatriot]

He gets no respect because of his total yards from scrimmage= 0. He's getting respect as a good prospect for the NFL.

My point being that in terms of fantasy football or in terms of playing in the NFL he has done nothing. It's fun to speculate and predict but "respect" is what is earned after a good year IN THE NFL... or really in fantasy numbers. ADP has respect (again, on a fantasy football forum), Rice now has it, MJD... Jamaal Charles has some. There are so many variables, like where someone is drafted, injuries, coaching philosophy, transition, schedule, individual makeup... that wondering why an NFL prospect is getting "no respect" is a personal opinion. Some people obviously do have some respect for him based on his college success- and predict success at the next level. But I'm just saying that hype trains won't actually get you to the next stop.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

He gets no respect because of his total yards from scrimmage= 0. He's getting respect as a good prospect for the NFL.

My point being that in terms of fantasy football or in terms of playing in the NFL he has done nothing. It's fun to speculate and predict but "respect" is what is earned after a good year IN THE NFL... or really in fantasy numbers. ADP has respect (again, on a fantasy football forum), Rice now has it, MJD... Jamaal Charles has some. There are so many variables, like where someone is drafted, injuries, coaching philosophy, transition, schedule, individual makeup... that wondering why an NFL prospect is getting "no respect" is a personal opinion. Some people obviously do have some respect for him based on his college success- and predict success at the next level. But I'm just saying that hype trains won't actually get you to the next stop.

The respect I am referring to, is in regards to this RB class. Some have him as the #4 or worse RB....which is ridiculous IMO.

 

[RudiStein]

Matthews only managed 19 reps in the BP. Not so great.

So you want to knock Mathews down for 19....but what about Dwyer, Spiller, or Best....b/c they didn't perform any better.

No knocking him but I expected him to do a little better. Hell his 'back-up', Lonyea Miller, did 26.

 

[jurb26]

Matthews only managed 19 reps in the BP. Not so great.

So you want to knock Mathews down for 19....but what about Dwyer, Spiller, or Best....b/c they didn't perform any better.

No knocking him but I expected him to do a little better. Hell his 'back-up', Lonyea Miller, did 26.

Didn't Mathews just post a 10'4" Broad jump or something? That number is far more important and impressive than the bench one.

 

[RudiStein]

Matthews only managed 19 reps in the BP. Not so great.

So you want to knock Mathews down for 19....but what about Dwyer, Spiller, or Best....b/c they didn't perform any better.

No knocking him but I expected him to do a little better. Hell his 'back-up', Lonyea Miller, did 26.

Didn't Mathews just post a 10'4" Broad jump or something? That number is far more important and impressive than the bench one.

That changes EVERYTHING. Settle down, fellas. I just pointed out that his BP reps were not as high as I expected.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

4.41 10'4 broad jump....watch out spiller.

 

[RudiStein]

4.41 40 time

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

HOU at 20 or GB at 23 is feeling right for Mathews destination about right now.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

HOU at 20 or GB at 23 is feeling right for Mathews destination about right now.

Those one cut schemes and downhill are where Mathews would thrive. Can't see GB going RB in round 1 though personally. Not with needed help at other positions.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

HOU at 20 or GB at 23 is feeling right for Mathews destination about right now.

Those one cut schemes and downhill are where Mathews would thrive. Can't see GB going RB in round 1 though personally. Not with needed help at other positions.

Ryan Grant is due a huge salary in 2011, RB is a long-term need, not to mention Grant has left some yards on the field. Ask any GB homer, RB is in play in the first round this year.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

HOU at 20 or GB at 23 is feeling right for Mathews destination about right now.

Those one cut schemes and downhill are where Mathews would thrive. Can't see GB going RB in round 1 though personally. Not with needed help at other positions.

Ryan Grant is due a huge salary in 2011, RB is a long-term need, not to mention Grant has left some yards on the field. Ask any GB homer, RB is in play in the first round this year.

The main reason why I state that, is because I suggested the same thing in the Packers offseason thread....only to be emphatically shot down.I'm also not a big Grant fan as well.

 

[moderated]

HOU at 20 or GB at 23 is feeling right for Mathews destination about right now.

Those one cut schemes and downhill are where Mathews would thrive. Can't see GB going RB in round 1 though personally. Not with needed help at other positions.

Ryan Grant is due a huge salary in 2011, RB is a long-term need, not to mention Grant has left some yards on the field. Ask any GB homer, RB is in play in the first round this year.

The main reason why I state that, is because I suggested the same thing in the Packers offseason thread....only to be emphatically shot down.I'm also not a big Grant fan as well.

Agreed. Grant doesn't hurt the team, but he doesn't help them either. He's just there.They need a RB who can help the team win games. Grant is in an excellent offense for a RB to excel due to defenses focusing on the pass, but he still just can't do anything above the norm.Put a Best/Spiller/Mathews in that offense and we'll realize just how mediocre and uninspiring Grant is.

 

[MAC_32]

HOU at 20 or GB at 23 is feeling right for Mathews destination about right now.

I've been saying San Diego all along. California product stays in Cali.

Could be, but same could be said about Best. In the end I think it's one or the other, and both would be great, but I'm torn as to which one. Whoever it is will ultimately be the #1 back on my rookie board.

 

[Steelfan7]

Matthews only managed 19 reps in the BP. Not so great.

So you want to knock Mathews down for 19....but what about Dwyer, Spiller, or Best....b/c they didn't perform any better.

No knocking him but I expected him to do a little better. Hell his 'back-up', Lonyea Miller, did 26.

When rbs have to run upright on their hands then you should be concerned with how many bench press reps they get.

 

[MAC_32]

Bench is by far not one of the better tests for a RB, but it's still relevant. Bench is the best test for pure upper body strength, anyone who thinks upper body strength isn't necessary for a NFL RB should find a new hobby.

 

[moderated]

Bench is by far not one of the better tests for a RB, but it's still relevant. Bench is the best test for pure upper body strength, anyone who thinks upper body strength isn't necessary for a NFL RB should find a new hobby.

yeah, but 19 reps is solid for a RB, it isn't like he only put up 12.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Bench is by far not one of the better tests for a RB, but it's still relevant. Bench is the best test for pure upper body strength, anyone who thinks upper body strength isn't necessary for a NFL RB should find a new hobby.

I think they should have them do incline bench press instead. Football players get their hands inside and lift(blocking, rushing, etc). It is the best football lift....outside of squatting.

 

[Steelfan7]

Bench is by far not one of the better tests for a RB, but it's still relevant. Bench is the best test for pure upper body strength, anyone who thinks upper body strength isn't necessary for a NFL RB should find a new hobby.

Lower body strength is the best indicator for a rb IMO. Rbs power and explosion come from their lower body. If a rb bench reps are within the means of other rbs than it's a non issue.

 

[MAC_32]

Bench is by far not one of the better tests for a RB, but it's still relevant. Bench is the best test for pure upper body strength, anyone who thinks upper body strength isn't necessary for a NFL RB should find a new hobby.

Lower body strength is the best indicator for a rb IMO. Rbs power and explosion come from their lower body. If a rb bench reps are within the means of other rbs than it's a non issue.

I agree, but upper body strength is still relevant. I'm not going to talk anymore about it though because it's not an issue here because Matthews' bench reps were fine and people poking and proding at it are fishing, and fishing only.

 

[Bayhawks]

BigTex

He has been talked about. Look in the 2010 thread but he's second fiddle to Spiller and Best because they have the tangibles he don't......world class track speed that actually translate on the football field.

benson_will_lead_the_way'

Except Mathews is a complete package, while Spiller and Best aren't.

BigTex

I guess you'd have to define complete package because Spiller's numbers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mathew's numbers in every category.

To each his own, everyone has his/her own points of view.

benson_will_lead_the_way'

Rushing yards season

Spiller:1212 ave 5.6 12td

Mathews:1808 ave 6.6 19td

What categories are you talking? 40 yard dash with nobody in his path....b/c thats all I see.

Unless rushing is the only catergory which defines a "complete back" you accidentally left out a few more:Spiller: 36 rec/503 yds/ 14.0 avg /4 TDs

Mathews: 11 rec/122 yds/11.1 avg/0TDs

Spiller: Kick Returns 4 TDs

Mathews: Kick Returns 0 TDs

Spiller: Passed for 1 TDs

Mathews: Passed for 0 TDs

Spiller: Punt Returns for 1 TD

Mathews: Punt Returns for 0 TDs

Now Keep in mind ACC>>>>>>>>>>>>>WAC

Every Single Ranking has Spiller #1, Mathews is in th 4-6 range with the exception of one and he's ranked #2 behind Spiller.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2010RB.php

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospec...ngs/TSX/2010_RB

http://nooffseason.com/draft.html

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2010-nfl-draft/...k-rankings.html

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/prospects/rb.html

http://www.draftcountdown.com/Rankings/RB.php

http://www.kffl.com/article.php/110395/161

http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&amp...rc=4&pid=11

http://www.fantasyfootballjungle.com/y/nfl...nning-backs.php

C.J. set the FBS record for kickoff return touchdowns with seven during his career. He also earned his spot in the record books in another way on that kickoff return, by being only one of five players to ever gain 7000 all-purpose yards.

Spiller was the nation's only player this season to account for touchdowns five different ways; rushing, passing, receiving, and on kick and punt returns; and had passing, rushing and receiving TDs in one game.

Spiller was ranked third in the country in all-purpose yards (196.5 a game)

Spiller was the only player in the FBS to score a touchdown in every game in the 2009 season.

Looks like a complete back to me and I didn't mention his track numbers or the awards he's won because my fingers are too tired

:twocents:

Tex

I don't have a dog in this race, as I'm just now starting to look at the draft-eligible players for my dynasty league. I don't have them ranked yet, so I don't know who I'd have higher, Spiller or Matthews. That being said. Kick and Punt returns shouldn't be factors in deciding who the most "complete" RB is. In my leagues, you don't get return yards or TDs, unless you draft the D/ST unit. Furthermore, being a RB and being a return man require different sets of skills, usually.

The receiving numbers obviously favor Spiller, and I'm not sure what to make of the passing TD(s). That's not something that you would be able to predict or rely on, for FF purposes.

 

[Iron_Far]

Just looked at the draft order, and I am having a hard time seeing Mathews get past the Seahawks 2nd first round pick at #14...

 

[Matt Waldman]

After watching Spiller yet again this morning. I'd much rather have Mathews if I'm looking for an RB. Spiller is a space player with potential to be a good between the tackles RB. Mathews is a good between the tackles RB with two things Spiller lacks - strong balance/power and good vision between the tackles. Spiller is better in the open field, but I want a back that does a better job of getting past the line of scrimmage. That player is Mathews.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

By the way he runs a 4.79 not 4.4 like you're misleading everyone to believe: http://fresnostate.rivals.com/cpevent.asp?Key=14424

Well here they have him at 4.46: http://walterfootball.com/draft2011RB.php

I saw another site somewhere had him at 4.6.

I'd guess a 4.5 plus but we'll find out in about 3 weeks when the combine rolls around.

Still comparing him to Mendy?

Where you at Big Tex?

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

After watching Spiller yet again this morning. I'd much rather have Mathews if I'm looking for an RB. Spiller is a space player with potential to be a good between the tackles RB. Mathews is a good between the tackles RB with two things Spiller lacks - strong balance/power and good vision between the tackles. Spiller is better in the open field, but I want a back that does a better job of getting past the line of scrimmage. That player is Mathews.

I agree Matt....they both can be effective if used in the correct way....Mathews is just a better RB.

 

[domvin]

By the way he runs a 4.79 not 4.4 like you're misleading everyone to believe: http://fresnostate.rivals.com/cpevent.asp?Key=14424

Well here they have him at 4.46: http://walterfootball.com/draft2011RB.php

I saw another site somewhere had him at 4.6.

I'd guess a 4.5 plus but we'll find out in about 3 weeks when the combine rolls around.

Still comparing him to Mendy?

Where you at Big Tex?

You can find him at the Circus with the other clowns

 

[domvin]

Matthews only managed 19 reps in the BP. Not so great.

So you want to knock Mathews down for 19....but what about Dwyer, Spiller, or Best....b/c they didn't perform any better.

No knocking him but I expected him to do a little better. Hell his 'back-up', Lonyea Miller, did 26.

I know this is about mathews mostly, but Millers reps on the bench seemed pretty legitimate. I dvred all the stuff over the weekend, and need to go through it, but I caught a few of Miller's reps, seemed controlled, and he had a wider grip than some of the other players.Majority of the prospects bounce it off theirchest often.....no matter what Lott says

 

[Sabertooth]

HOU at 20 or GB at 23 is feeling right for Mathews destination about right now.

Those one cut schemes and downhill are where Mathews would thrive. Can't see GB going RB in round 1 though personally. Not with needed help at other positions.

Green Bay has shown over the years that they will take the best player available regardless of need. It has finally started bearing fruit and I don't think they'll change that now. Ted Thompson isn't going to stray from his philosophy.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

HOU at 20 or GB at 23 is feeling right for Mathews destination about right now.

Those one cut schemes and downhill are where Mathews would thrive. Can't see GB going RB in round 1 though personally. Not with needed help at other positions.

Green Bay has shown over the years that they will take the best player available regardless of need. It has finally started bearing fruit and I don't think they'll change that now. Ted Thompson isn't going to stray from his philosophy.

So you see it being a real possibility then? at 23

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

RB Scores

I remember Big Tex talking about how intelligent Spiller is

 

[werdnoynek]

RB Scores

I remember Big Tex talking about how intelligent Spiller is

not sure how relevant the test is for RB's... but calling him intelligent may be a stretch.intellect really wont get you far in the NFL as a RB, but hopefully his football intelligence is much higher than his academic intelligence.

 

[Sabertooth]

HOU at 20 or GB at 23 is feeling right for Mathews destination about right now.

Those one cut schemes and downhill are where Mathews would thrive. Can't see GB going RB in round 1 though personally. Not with needed help at other positions.

Green Bay has shown over the years that they will take the best player available regardless of need. It has finally started bearing fruit and I don't think they'll change that now. Ted Thompson isn't going to stray from his philosophy.

So you see it being a real possibility then? at 23

Certainly.

 

[gianmarco]

After watching Spiller yet again this morning. I'd much rather have Mathews if I'm looking for an RB. Spiller is a space player with potential to be a good between the tackles RB. Mathews is a good between the tackles RB with two things Spiller lacks - strong balance/power and good vision between the tackles. Spiller is better in the open field, but I want a back that does a better job of getting past the line of scrimmage. That player is Mathews.

Do you have any examples of Spiller's lack of vision between the tackles?