Ryan Williams vs Mikel Leshoure vs Daniel Thomas vs Shane Vereen (1 Viewer)

[KellysHeroes]

So far this off-season there has been very little discussion for these previous 1st round Rookie RBs. These 4 kids where pumped all last off-season and ended up doing very little. I know each one has its own reason for their 1st yr failures.

Williams and Leshoure suffered injuries which knocked them out for the yr

Vereen is buried on a huge depth chart but ended up being out performed by Ridley

Thomas is really the only one that doesn't have an excuse I guess, he was primed to take a 50/50 load with Bush until he had a awful camp which ended in a Hammy tweak. However he did show flashes.

Would like to hear some input on peoples thoughts on these kids

 

[Sabertooth]

Leshoure

Williams

Thomas

Vereen

For disclosure I own Leshoure and Vereen.

 

[KellysHeroes]

LeshoureWilliamsThomasVereenFor disclosure I own Leshoure and Vereen.

Interesting since neither Leshoure or Williams have stepped onto an NFL Game yet and both can be slowed by the injury they suffered, guess its the "we don't know how good they can be until we see them play" factor. I'm on the other side of the coin, I'm willing to give Thomas and Vereen the benefit of the doubt since not only we're they rookies but it was also a very compressed and I'm sure confusing off-season for the kids. In fact I practice this with most rookies, look how many people gave up on Matthews and now hes being pushed into the top 10 of Dynasty RB Rankings. Even Spiller who was a complete non-factor in drafts last yr came out of his shell at the end of the yr; ofcourse hes still got alittle ways to go.

 

[Sabertooth]

LeshoureWilliamsThomasVereenFor disclosure I own Leshoure and Vereen.

Interesting since neither Leshoure or Williams have stepped onto an NFL Game yet and both can be slowed by the injury they suffered, guess its the "we don't know how good they can be until we see them play" factor. I'm on the other side of the coin, I'm willing to give Thomas and Vereen the benefit of the doubt since not only we're they rookies but it was also a very compressed and I'm sure confusing off-season for the kids. In fact I practice this with most rookies, look how many people gave up on Matthews and now hes being pushed into the top 10 of Dynasty RB Rankings. Even Spiller who was a complete non-factor in drafts last yr came out of his shell at the end of the yr; ofcourse hes still got alittle ways to go.

I agree and they are certainly bunched. Vereen simply lost his spot on the depth chart. Thomas is THIS CLOSE to Williams. In fact, I couldn't argue against flip flopping them. I like Leshoure's upside in that offense to be honest. If a steet free agent like Kevin Smith can come in and light it up, Leshoure (if healthy) could be one of the top 5 backs this season. Big risk/reward pick there. Huge upside and downside.

 

[eaglesfan7]

Was mikel's injury the same as ryan Williams?

 

[Boone22]

Was mikel's injury the same as ryan Williams?

LeShoure had a torn achilleshttp://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2011/08/mikel_leshoures_injury_devasta.htmlWilliams had a ruptured patellar tendonhttp://www.sbnation.com/2011/8/20/2374716/ryan-williams-injury-ruptured-patellar-tendon-surgery

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

It'll be all about the opportunity each gets to play this year that should influence the way I'd rank them. I think they're all talented backs and it'll mean nothing if they don't stay healthy first. So staying healthy and the opportunity they get I'd rank them this way.

1. LeShoure- Best is still a big question mark and I think LeShoure will be healthy enough to get a decent shot at playing time. With Stafford at QB if LeShoure can catch the ball out of the backfield and pass protect good enough he'll have some good numbers this year.

2. Williams- Lucky for Beanie Wells this kid got hurt last year. I just feel Williams is more talented than Wells and at some point during the year he'll get his shot and run with it.

3. Thomas- 2 things are gonna depend on Thomas' success this year. One is if the Dolphins can get a decent QB. I'm sure Manning is out of the picture and I hear they're trying to lowball Flynn so this move at QB is still uber important for the Dolphins success. Second is if Reggie Bush starts getting banged up, which he has in the past, Thomas could get an uptick in carries. He's a big back so he needs to one cut and go and NOT try to be Reggie Bush.

4. Vereen- I guess the Pats have a full corral of backs so at this time it's kinda hard to know who'll end up on top. He's got some talent but will he get enough time to prove it? I'll have to wait and see from him.

 

[JohnnyU]

1. LeShoure- Best is still a big question mark and I think LeShoure will be healthy enough to get a decent shot at playing time. With Stafford at QB if LeShoure can catch the ball out of the backfield and pass protect good enough he'll have some good numbers this year.

People are still ignoring the fact that no RB has ever come back from a torn Achilles successfully. They simply aren't the same player afterwards. You can't compare what DeMaryius Thomas has done because WRs don't use their Achilles the same way. RBs must be able to push with power and that's the big difference in the two. I would rank Ryan Williams first on that list and LeShoure last.

 

[Team ROFLCOPTERS]

Thomas looked great before Bush caught the eye of his coach. I mean Thomas looked like a top 10 back in the two games as a true starter.

 

[SpineDoc]

1. LeShoure- Best is still a big question mark and I think LeShoure will be healthy enough to get a decent shot at playing time. With Stafford at QB if LeShoure can catch the ball out of the backfield and pass protect good enough he'll have some good numbers this year.

People are still ignoring the fact that no RB has ever come back from a torn Achilles successfully. They simply aren't the same player afterwards. You can't compare what DeMaryius Thomas has done because WRs don't use their Achilles the same way. RBs must be able to push with power and that's the big difference in the two. I would rank Ryan Williams first on that list and LeShoure last.

I haven't looked to see what athletes have come back from an achilles tear but you can compare D. Thomas if it was in fact the same injury. WRs have to push with power as well. They have to get off the line when the ball is snapped, plant and cut going in and out of routes and they have to jump, which tests the Achilles tendon more than anything. FWIW, both injuries (Williams/LeShoure) can be career ending.

 

[Touchdown There]

Thomas looked great before Bush caught the eye of his coach. I mean Thomas looked like a top 10 back in the two games as a true starter.

And there was a coaching change. The old coaching staff promised Bush the first crack at the starting role. This is how they pulled him from the Saints. The new coaching staff has no promises to Bush.

 

[Touchdown There]

1. LeShoure- Best is still a big question mark and I think LeShoure will be healthy enough to get a decent shot at playing time. With Stafford at QB if LeShoure can catch the ball out of the backfield and pass protect good enough he'll have some good numbers this year.

People are still ignoring the fact that no RB has ever come back from a torn Achilles successfully. They simply aren't the same player afterwards. You can't compare what DeMaryius Thomas has done because WRs don't use their Achilles the same way. RBs must be able to push with power and that's the big difference in the two. I would rank Ryan Williams first on that list and LeShoure last.

I haven't looked to see what athletes have come back from an achilles tear but you can compare D. Thomas if it was in fact the same injury. WRs have to push with power as well. They have to get off the line when the ball is snapped, plant and cut going in and out of routes and they have to jump, which tests the Achilles tendon more than anything. FWIW, both injuries (Williams/LeShoure) can be career ending.

The big question mark to me is the "full Achilles's tear" vs the "partial tear". D. Thomas probably had a partial tear. Anyone know how bad LeShoure's tear was?

 

[JagsStayInJax]

I believe I heard Jene Bramel discussing the injuries of Leshoure and Williams on an audible a few months ago. His take and opinion was that Williams would have the tougher road to come back than Leshoure if I recall correctly.

 

[SpineDoc]

1. LeShoure- Best is still a big question mark and I think LeShoure will be healthy enough to get a decent shot at playing time. With Stafford at QB if LeShoure can catch the ball out of the backfield and pass protect good enough he'll have some good numbers this year.

People are still ignoring the fact that no RB has ever come back from a torn Achilles successfully. They simply aren't the same player afterwards. You can't compare what DeMaryius Thomas has done because WRs don't use their Achilles the same way. RBs must be able to push with power and that's the big difference in the two. I would rank Ryan Williams first on that list and LeShoure last.

I haven't looked to see what athletes have come back from an achilles tear but you can compare D. Thomas if it was in fact the same injury. WRs have to push with power as well. They have to get off the line when the ball is snapped, plant and cut going in and out of routes and they have to jump, which tests the Achilles tendon more than anything. FWIW, both injuries (Williams/LeShoure) can be career ending.

The big question mark to me is the "full Achilles's tear" vs the "partial tear". D. Thomas probably had a partial tear. Anyone know how bad LeShoure's tear was?

LeShoure's was a full tear I believe. At least with those, surgery is the option. With a partial, many try to just rehab it, but the chances for eventually tearing it fully are greater thus dragging the process out.

 

[Da Guru]

1. LeShoure- Best is still a big question mark and I think LeShoure will be healthy enough to get a decent shot at playing time. With Stafford at QB if LeShoure can catch the ball out of the backfield and pass protect good enough he'll have some good numbers this year.

People are still ignoring the fact that no RB has ever come back from a torn Achilles successfully. They simply aren't the same player afterwards. You can't compare what DeMaryius Thomas has done because WRs don't use their Achilles the same way. RBs must be able to push with power and that's the big difference in the two. I would rank Ryan Williams first on that list and LeShoure last.

I haven't looked to see what athletes have come back from an achilles tear but you can compare D. Thomas if it was in fact the same injury. WRs have to push with power as well. They have to get off the line when the ball is snapped, plant and cut going in and out of routes and they have to jump, which tests the Achilles tendon more than anything. FWIW, both injuries (Williams/LeShoure) can be career ending.

The big question mark to me is the "full Achilles's tear" vs the "partial tear". D. Thomas probably had a partial tear. Anyone know how bad LeShoure's tear was?

LeShoure's was a full tear I believe. At least with those, surgery is the option. With a partial, many try to just rehab it, but the chances for eventually tearing it fully are greater thus dragging the process out.

As a Lion fan I am very concerned about LeShoure returning to what he was before the injury.

 

[whatadai]

1. Thomas

Bush sucks...no way he continues 2011 into 2012. Thomas also gets a full off-season. More RBBC this year and more chances for Thomas. Highest floor out of the four.

2. Vereen

Vereen is a much better player than Ridley. Much more explosive. Better receiving skills and the ability to be featured and play goal-line. He was also ahead of Ridley last year until he got injured in the shortened off-season. Vereen also won the practice player of the week several times if I remember correctly. Ridley also has a fumbling problem. Highest ceiling out of the four.

3. LeShoure

Achilles? He's done. He's only higher than Williams cause he has an injury prone RB in front of him and Williams' injury just sounds nasty.

4. Williams

Wells solidified his starting status in Arizona IMO...and torn patella tendon is bad...Williams skills were from his explosiveness and that's gone for sure. His kneecap was in his thigh...I don't think he's going to be near the same ever again.

 

[KellysHeroes]

1. ThomasBush sucks...no way he continues 2011 into 2012. Thomas also gets a full off-season. More RBBC this year and more chances for Thomas. Highest floor out of the four.2. VereenVereen is a much better player than Ridley. Much more explosive. Better receiving skills and the ability to be featured and play goal-line. He was also ahead of Ridley last year until he got injured in the shortened off-season. Vereen also won the practice player of the week several times if I remember correctly. Ridley also has a fumbling problem. Highest ceiling out of the four.3. LeShoureAchilles? He's done. He's only higher than Williams cause he has an injury prone RB in front of him and Williams' injury just sounds nasty.4. WilliamsWells solidified his starting status in Arizona IMO...and torn patella tendon is bad...Williams skills were from his explosiveness and that's gone for sure. His kneecap was in his thigh...I don't think he's going to be near the same ever again.

I pretty much rank them like this as wellBush will go down with an injury if used the the same way he was used last yr. The staff knows this and will give Thomas a larger load than he saw last yr. It sucks they missed out on Flynn but hopefully the new coach can pull something out of the draft.as for the other 3, its hard to rank them since we haven't even seen what they can really do. But I'd have to go with Vereen 2nd since he seems to be a hybrid of Woodhead and BJGE, its just Vereen owners have to hope that someone gets BJGE away from the pats. Also out of these 3 he didn't suffer a terrible injury.As for Williams and Leshoure, theres a lot blinders on here. Guess its because people spent high picks on them and never got to seem them go. I would go Leshoure ranked over Williams for me due to the fact that the guy in front of him is good yet one hit away from never playing again, plus that offense is great.As for Williams, Wells should improvement last yr and played surprisingly tough while banged up; he must of gotten the message. Also, that offense is a mess and had a really hard time moving the ball.Lastly, I don't want say that the kids with injuries are done but the owners/voters gotta realize they will most likely not be 100% this yr. And I wanna see them hit field before I rate them over a healthy RB. You also gotta think that their teams have some RBs a little higher on their draft boards especially Det who can't trust either one of their top Back's health.

 

[cstu]

1. LeShoure- Best is still a big question mark and I think LeShoure will be healthy enough to get a decent shot at playing time. With Stafford at QB if LeShoure can catch the ball out of the backfield and pass protect good enough he'll have some good numbers this year.

People are still ignoring the fact that no RB has ever come back from a torn Achilles successfully. They simply aren't the same player afterwards. You can't compare what DeMaryius Thomas has done because WRs don't use their Achilles the same way. RBs must be able to push with power and that's the big difference in the two. I would rank Ryan Williams first on that list and LeShoure last.

I haven't looked to see what athletes have come back from an achilles tear but you can compare D. Thomas if it was in fact the same injury. WRs have to push with power as well. They have to get off the line when the ball is snapped, plant and cut going in and out of routes and they have to jump, which tests the Achilles tendon more than anything. FWIW, both injuries (Williams/LeShoure) can be career ending.

Here's Irvin talking to WR's about coming out of breaks and the pressure on their legs. If after surgery Thomas can come back and do that then I think Leshoure can. I do agree that Williams is more risky but medical science has come a long way.

 

[Ack88]

Opportunity will play a major role, but here's how I see it:

1. Thomas- most likely to get the most touches out of this group. Bush is the only obstacle to significant playing time and while Reggie was great in 2011, his track record indictates last year was the exception, not the rule. New staff in Miami may reconfigure the entire offense. Marshall has already been dealt, they've missed out on Flynn, and we have no idea what Miami's offense will look like in 2012. Still, I like him a little better than the others because I see him as most likely to play a major role.

2. Vereen- Again, other personnel decisions will play a role here. If BJGE is brought back, the law firm will play, and play frequently. People are quick to write him off because he has an average skill set, but he does what the coaching staff asks and never fumbles. IF the law firm is back, than Vereen gets bumped down a notch, but if he leaves, I think Vereen takes the lead RB role. Now, that doesn't mean he gets 70% of the carries or 2/3 of the offenseive backfield touches because the Patriots are the most match up oriented team in the league, but it does mean he gets the lions share of the touches, which puts him at #2 on this list.

3. LeShoure- The injury is a huge concern, but if he comes back, and to me and what I've read about the nature of achilles injuries in RBs, it doesn't look promising, he could carry a role in the Lion offense. He's at #3 because I view his injury as the most significant BUT he rates above Williams because the healthy talent in front of him is of lesser quality.

4. Williams- I think Beanie is the most likely of this group to play well consistently, thus making Williams road to playing time the most difficult. Couple that with a ruptured patella tendon (reportedly his kneecap was in his thigh) and he rates 4th in this derby.

 

[JohnnyU]

1. LeShoure- Best is still a big question mark and I think LeShoure will be healthy enough to get a decent shot at playing time. With Stafford at QB if LeShoure can catch the ball out of the backfield and pass protect good enough he'll have some good numbers this year.

People are still ignoring the fact that no RB has ever come back from a torn Achilles successfully. They simply aren't the same player afterwards. You can't compare what DeMaryius Thomas has done because WRs don't use their Achilles the same way. RBs must be able to push with power and that's the big difference in the two. I would rank Ryan Williams first on that list and LeShoure last.

I haven't looked to see what athletes have come back from an achilles tear but you can compare D. Thomas if it was in fact the same injury. WRs have to push with power as well. They have to get off the line when the ball is snapped, plant and cut going in and out of routes and they have to jump, which tests the Achilles tendon more than anything. FWIW, both injuries (Williams/LeShoure) can be career ending.

Here's Irvin talking to WR's about coming out of breaks and the pressure on their legs. If after surgery Thomas can come back and do that then I think Leshoure can. I do agree that Williams is more risky but medical science has come a long way.

Until I see with my own eyes a RB return from that injury and be as good as he was before tearing his Achilles up, then I say no thanks on LeShoure.

 

[Ilov80s]

1. LeShoure- Best is still a big question mark and I think LeShoure will be healthy enough to get a decent shot at playing time. With Stafford at QB if LeShoure can catch the ball out of the backfield and pass protect good enough he'll have some good numbers this year.

People are still ignoring the fact that no RB has ever come back from a torn Achilles successfully. They simply aren't the same player afterwards. You can't compare what DeMaryius Thomas has done because WRs don't use their Achilles the same way. RBs must be able to push with power and that's the big difference in the two. I would rank Ryan Williams first on that list and LeShoure last.

I haven't looked to see what athletes have come back from an achilles tear but you can compare D. Thomas if it was in fact the same injury. WRs have to push with power as well. They have to get off the line when the ball is snapped, plant and cut going in and out of routes and they have to jump, which tests the Achilles tendon more than anything. FWIW, both injuries (Williams/LeShoure) can be career ending.

Here's Irvin talking to WR's about coming out of breaks and the pressure on their legs. If after surgery Thomas can come back and do that then I think Leshoure can. I do agree that Williams is more risky but medical science has come a long way.

Until I see with my own eyes a RB return from that injury and be as good as he was before tearing his Achilles up, then I say no thanks on LeShoure.

Who was the last noteworthy RB to suffer an achilles tear?

 

[JohnnyU]

1. LeShoure- Best is still a big question mark and I think LeShoure will be healthy enough to get a decent shot at playing time. With Stafford at QB if LeShoure can catch the ball out of the backfield and pass protect good enough he'll have some good numbers this year.

People are still ignoring the fact that no RB has ever come back from a torn Achilles successfully. They simply aren't the same player afterwards. You can't compare what DeMaryius Thomas has done because WRs don't use their Achilles the same way. RBs must be able to push with power and that's the big difference in the two. I would rank Ryan Williams first on that list and LeShoure last.

I haven't looked to see what athletes have come back from an achilles tear but you can compare D. Thomas if it was in fact the same injury. WRs have to push with power as well. They have to get off the line when the ball is snapped, plant and cut going in and out of routes and they have to jump, which tests the Achilles tendon more than anything. FWIW, both injuries (Williams/LeShoure) can be career ending.

Here's Irvin talking to WR's about coming out of breaks and the pressure on their legs. If after surgery Thomas can come back and do that then I think Leshoure can. I do agree that Williams is more risky but medical science has come a long way.

Until I see with my own eyes a RB return from that injury and be as good as he was before tearing his Achilles up, then I say no thanks on LeShoure.

Who was the last noteworthy RB to suffer an achilles tear?

Probably the last one was LenDale White. Also Andre Brown and Edgar Bennett. I'm sure there are a few RBs that never became well known because of the injury. I would be very surprised if throughout NFL history no future stud RBs ever suffered a ruptured Achilles.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

How about a ruptured Patellar tendon, any RBs come back from that?

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

I ranked LeShoure and Williams 1 & 2 but yes their injuries are still a big question mark with how they'll do this year. 'Zona can take their time with Williams because of the year Beanie had so it is very possible Williams doesn't get much playing time depending on his health & Beanie's performance. Did not know LeShoure's injury was a full tear so that's a mistake on my part by not being informed enough. Talent wise I think he could be the best of the bunch but with him his injury recovery will dictate everything. After looking over some of the posts with their rankings and given LeShoure's & Williams injuries it's quite possible they could end up they way some ranked them going with

1.Thomas

2.Vereen

3.LeShoure

4.Williams

I have Thomas in a couple of dynasty leagues as well as Williams but at this point it may be Thomas who performs better if Bush under performs this year or has health issues. The Dolphins still need a viable QB as well. 'Zona paid Kolb and have Skelton as well. Still I'd like to see the Lions progress and become better. They've waited a long time to have a good team and it'd be nice to see them do well. Stafford is a good QB and Megatron,well, he's a top if not the best WR in the game right now. I'd surely like to see LeShoure come back good from his injury and really help this team, that's why they drafted him, but here again the type injury he had could be difficult to come back from and perform at a high level. Best of luck to him. Oh yeah, speaking of Best is he going to play this coming year? I know there were major concerns about concussions he's had and how it's affected him. He showed talent when he played so the Lions have a couple of talented backs but are they going to be & stay healthy? If not it will certainly diminish their chances of consistantly winning unless they have a reliable RB.

 

[FF Ninja]

1. LeShoure- Best is still a big question mark and I think LeShoure will be healthy enough to get a decent shot at playing time. With Stafford at QB if LeShoure can catch the ball out of the backfield and pass protect good enough he'll have some good numbers this year.

People are still ignoring the fact that no RB has ever come back from a torn Achilles successfully. They simply aren't the same player afterwards. You can't compare what DeMaryius Thomas has done because WRs don't use their Achilles the same way. RBs must be able to push with power and that's the big difference in the two. I would rank Ryan Williams first on that list and LeShoure last.

This was the response I was looking for. I was excited to see LeShoure last year, but all hope is now lost. It'll be a small miracle if he is still in the league in 2014, much less have any fantasy value in 2012. I sure hope he recovers, but it would be foolish to expect it. Even more foolish to rank him among healthy players who have shown NFL ability.

 

[KellysHeroes]

People really down on Thomas

 

[inzanitee]

How about a ruptured Patellar tendon, any RBs come back from that?

Caddy did it twice. Looked pretty good after the first time, but after the second one he was pretty much done.

 

[Raider Nation]

I hope everyone in my league is as down on Leshoure as most in this thread are. I'm all in on the kid. He's 21 years old. A 21-year-old can have a leg amputated and still make it back for the following season.

Dr. Bob Anderson informed Mikel Leshoure that his Achilles surgery was one of the better procedures he's performed and the injury is healing perfectly.Leshoure is regaining strength in his calf and Achilles. Although he's yet to run full-speed sprints or cuts, Leshoure's lower leg feels good after jogging and running half-gassers. Leshoure is making no guarantees on training camp, but insists he will be "100 percent to go" in time for the season opener.

Stafford + Calvin insures there will always be plenty of room to run. Leshoure will be the breakout star of 2012.

 

[RavenLunatic]

Wow. So many different views the consensus is clear as mud.

Probably hard to acquire any at a discount at this point so I assume we are all holding on our respective players owned until training camp and preseason show us what we have.

We all see that RBBC of two or more talented backs is the new standard so we need to possibly start labeling them in terms of a #1 RB ala the #1 WR. I think we will see some Victor Cruz and Jordy Nelson years from more and more RBs.

 

[Scooby1974]

Does the Kevin Smith signing worry anyone else considering LeShoure?

Any other thoughts on the NE backfield given Law Firm's change of address?

 

[Shutout]

Does the Kevin Smith signing worry anyone else considering LeShoure?

Any other thoughts on the NE backfield given Law Firm's change of address?

Nope. makes me feel better. Tells me that a guy (Smith) that the team knows has been hurt a lot and no one in the league wanted last year is good enough to be the depth on the team. That suggest to me that this is a roster filling move, not a "we better be prepared" move because there is no way the Lions would hinge their RB hopes for a full season on Kevin Smith.

 

[Shutout]

1. LeShoure- Best is still a big question mark and I think LeShoure will be healthy enough to get a decent shot at playing time. With Stafford at QB if LeShoure can catch the ball out of the backfield and pass protect good enough he'll have some good numbers this year.

People are still ignoring the fact that no RB has ever come back from a torn Achilles successfully. They simply aren't the same player afterwards. You can't compare what DeMaryius Thomas has done because WRs don't use their Achilles the same way. RBs must be able to push with power and that's the big difference in the two. I would rank Ryan Williams first on that list and LeShoure last.

A couple of things to consider in that statement, however, is that 1)this isn't something that has been put to the test by a 21 year old before. Its not the most common of injuries. 2)Medical progress has changed a lot since the times of people going back trying to find the number of guys this has occurred in. When you are going back a decade or more to find comparables, that is a lifetime in terms of medical advancements. 3)He had a whole year to rehab and do it right.Speaking of a whole year: here is why I would no way put Williams above LeShoure in this discussion. Williams has had a whole year to recoup also and it was said just last week that he is feeling about 75%. 75%? In a year. Last time I checked, they said Wiliiams' knee cap was on the wrong plane of his body and in a year, you get back to 75%. To me, that screams "lucky if you don't start the year off on the PUP".

For LeShoure; he was such a talented guy that I can see him being a guy that may only come back at 85%; but that's still enough to be relevant on this particular team. The more I think about him, the more I liken him to Ricky Williams; a guy that could be a beast in real life and fantasy and even as he slowed down and wasn't the saem guy, he has the talent and body and style of play that he could still settle in as something that is still useful.

These were bad injuries on both these guys and they both may never be worth a dime going forward but if I were picking one of the two, I go with LeShoure for a couple of reasons.

 

[SayWhat?]

1. LeShoure- Best is still a big question mark and I think LeShoure will be healthy enough to get a decent shot at playing time. With Stafford at QB if LeShoure can catch the ball out of the backfield and pass protect good enough he'll have some good numbers this year.

People are still ignoring the fact that no RB has ever come back from a torn Achilles successfully. They simply aren't the same player afterwards. You can't compare what DeMaryius Thomas has done because WRs don't use their Achilles the same way. RBs must be able to push with power and that's the big difference in the two. I would rank Ryan Williams first on that list and LeShoure last.

A couple of things to consider in that statement, however, is that 1)this isn't something that has been put to the test by a 21 year old before. Its not the most common of injuries. 2)Medical progress has changed a lot since the times of people going back trying to find the number of guys this has occurred in. When you are going back a decade or more to find comparables, that is a lifetime in terms of medical advancements. 3)He had a whole year to rehab and do it right.Speaking of a whole year: here is why I would no way put Williams above LeShoure in this discussion. Williams has had a whole year to recoup also and it was said just last week that he is feeling about 75%. 75%? In a year. Last time I checked, they said Wiliiams' knee cap was on the wrong plane of his body and in a year, you get back to 75%. To me, that screams "lucky if you don't start the year off on the PUP".

For LeShoure; he was such a talented guy that I can see him being a guy that may only come back at 85%; but that's still enough to be relevant on this particular team. The more I think about him, the more I liken him to Ricky Williams; a guy that could be a beast in real life and fantasy and even as he slowed down and wasn't the saem guy, he has the talent and body and style of play that he could still settle in as something that is still useful.

These were bad injuries on both these guys and they both may never be worth a dime going forward but if I were picking one of the two, I go with LeShoure for a couple of reasons.

Except for the fact that Williams hasn't had a whole year to recoup. It's been seven months since his injury, and lucky for him (and LeShoure) he has five very critical months to continue his rehab before he needs to see game action. If Williams is saying that's he's anything less than 90%+ come August, then I think there's reason for significant concern.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

I hope everyone in my league is as down on Leshoure as most in this thread are. I'm all in on the kid. He's 21 years old. A 21-year-old can have a leg amputated and still make it back for the following season.

Dr. Bob Anderson informed Mikel Leshoure that his Achilles surgery was one of the better procedures he's performed and the injury is healing perfectly.Leshoure is regaining strength in his calf and Achilles. Although he's yet to run full-speed sprints or cuts, Leshoure's lower leg feels good after jogging and running half-gassers. Leshoure is making no guarantees on training camp, but insists he will be "100 percent to go" in time for the season opener.

Stafford + Calvin insures there will always be plenty of room to run. Leshoure will be the breakout star of 2012.

Robert Edwards is prolly the best example of near amputation(which I believe was lobbied by te actual doctors at the time)and he didn't return the same player. Joking aside I'd feel better about leshoure if they didn't play so many games on turf. Any leg injury sucks playing on turf......... Achilles injury has to be one of the worst to come back to play on that surface

 

[mr roboto]

1. LeShoure- Best is still a big question mark and I think LeShoure will be healthy enough to get a decent shot at playing time. With Stafford at QB if LeShoure can catch the ball out of the backfield and pass protect good enough he'll have some good numbers this year.

People are still ignoring the fact that no RB has ever come back from a torn Achilles successfully. They simply aren't the same player afterwards. You can't compare what DeMaryius Thomas has done because WRs don't use their Achilles the same way. RBs must be able to push with power and that's the big difference in the two. I would rank Ryan Williams first on that list and LeShoure last.

A couple of things to consider in that statement, however, is that 1)this isn't something that has been put to the test by a 21 year old before. Its not the most common of injuries. 2)Medical progress has changed a lot since the times of people going back trying to find the number of guys this has occurred in. When you are going back a decade or more to find comparables, that is a lifetime in terms of medical advancements. 3)He had a whole year to rehab and do it right.Speaking of a whole year: here is why I would no way put Williams above LeShoure in this discussion. Williams has had a whole year to recoup also and it was said just last week that he is feeling about 75%. 75%? In a year. Last time I checked, they said Wiliiams' knee cap was on the wrong plane of his body and in a year, you get back to 75%. To me, that screams "lucky if you don't start the year off on the PUP".

For LeShoure; he was such a talented guy that I can see him being a guy that may only come back at 85%; but that's still enough to be relevant on this particular team. The more I think about him, the more I liken him to Ricky Williams; a guy that could be a beast in real life and fantasy and even as he slowed down and wasn't the saem guy, he has the talent and body and style of play that he could still settle in as something that is still useful.

These were bad injuries on both these guys and they both may never be worth a dime going forward but if I were picking one of the two, I go with LeShoure for a couple of reasons.

Except for the fact that Williams hasn't had a whole year to recoup. It's been seven months since his injury, and lucky for him (and LeShoure) he has five very critical months to continue his rehab before he needs to see game action. If Williams is saying that's he's anything less than 90%+ come August, then I think there's reason for significant concern.

Oops. Nice catch. You can tell who owns whom in this thread.

 

[Lab]

People are still ignoring the fact that no RB has ever come back from a torn Achilles successfully. They simply aren't the same player afterwards. You can't compare what DeMaryius Thomas has done because WRs don't use their Achilles the same way. RBs must be able to push with power and that's the big difference in the two. I would rank Ryan Williams first on that list and LeShoure last.

Andre Brown, NYG - Not a world-beater RB (4th round draft pick), but a successful recovery from Achilles tear.http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-08-14/sports/27072589_1_g-chris-snee-achilles-injury-derrick-ward

Comments to this article -- http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/03/giants_running_back_andre_brow.html -- list a few candidates:

Edgar Bennett, GB & Chicago - Tear in 1997, 820 yards rushing in 1998.

Joe Montgomery - Injured in 2001, played in 2002. Only 3 games, but that's the same number he played before the injury.

Kenny Lewis, VA Tech - Tore Achilles twice in 2008, played some in 2009 preseason, but then stopped.

Other Achilles tear victims who returned:

http://achillesblog.com/brendan/2008/03/08/name-dropping/

http://achillestendon.com/InTheNews.html

But then there's this: "More than a third of National Football League (NFL) players who sustained an Achilles tendon injury were never able to return to professional play according to research in the current issue of Foot & Ankle Specialist (published by SAGE). The injured players who did return to active play averaged a 50% reduction in their power ratings."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100112123648.htm

 

[cstu]

I hope everyone in my league is as down on Leshoure as most in this thread are. I'm all in on the kid. He's 21 years old. A 21-year-old can have a leg amputated and still make it back for the following season.

Dr. Bob Anderson informed Mikel Leshoure that his Achilles surgery was one of the better procedures he's performed and the injury is healing perfectly.

Leshoure is regaining strength in his calf and Achilles. Although he's yet to run full-speed sprints or cuts, Leshoure's lower leg feels good after jogging and running half-gassers. Leshoure is making no guarantees on training camp, but insists he will be "100 percent to go" in time for the season opener.

Stafford + Calvin insures there will always be plenty of room to run. Leshoure will be the breakout star of 2012.

Robert Edwards is prolly the best example of near amputation(which I believe was lobbied by te actual doctors at the time)and he didn't return the same player. Joking aside I'd feel better about leshoure if they didn't play so many games on turf. Any leg injury sucks playing on turf......... Achilles injury has to be one of the worst to come back to play on that surface

Fieldturf has been shown to be safer than grass.Another study shows that there are 5.5x times as many major injuries on grass as Fieldturf.

 

[Run It Up]

Mikel Leshoure by a lot IMO.

I think Williams and Thomas will get a shot, I dont think Vereen will get much if any work. Leshoure on the other hand I see being 50/50 with best as soon as hes healthy.

 

[Shutout]

1. LeShoure- Best is still a big question mark and I think LeShoure will be healthy enough to get a decent shot at playing time. With Stafford at QB if LeShoure can catch the ball out of the backfield and pass protect good enough he'll have some good numbers this year.

People are still ignoring the fact that no RB has ever come back from a torn Achilles successfully. They simply aren't the same player afterwards. You can't compare what DeMaryius Thomas has done because WRs don't use their Achilles the same way. RBs must be able to push with power and that's the big difference in the two. I would rank Ryan Williams first on that list and LeShoure last.

A couple of things to consider in that statement, however, is that 1)this isn't something that has been put to the test by a 21 year old before. Its not the most common of injuries. 2)Medical progress has changed a lot since the times of people going back trying to find the number of guys this has occurred in. When you are going back a decade or more to find comparables, that is a lifetime in terms of medical advancements. 3)He had a whole year to rehab and do it right.Speaking of a whole year: here is why I would no way put Williams above LeShoure in this discussion. Williams has had a whole year to recoup also and it was said just last week that he is feeling about 75%. 75%? In a year. Last time I checked, they said Wiliiams' knee cap was on the wrong plane of his body and in a year, you get back to 75%. To me, that screams "lucky if you don't start the year off on the PUP".

For LeShoure; he was such a talented guy that I can see him being a guy that may only come back at 85%; but that's still enough to be relevant on this particular team. The more I think about him, the more I liken him to Ricky Williams; a guy that could be a beast in real life and fantasy and even as he slowed down and wasn't the saem guy, he has the talent and body and style of play that he could still settle in as something that is still useful.

These were bad injuries on both these guys and they both may never be worth a dime going forward but if I were picking one of the two, I go with LeShoure for a couple of reasons.

Except for the fact that Williams hasn't had a whole year to recoup. It's been seven months since his injury, and lucky for him (and LeShoure) he has five very critical months to continue his rehab before he needs to see game action. If Williams is saying that's he's anything less than 90%+ come August, then I think there's reason for significant concern.

Oops. Nice catch. You can tell who owns whom in this thread.

Geez children. Must everything be put on a plate and stuck in your noses?By the time the next NFL game that counts is played, it will have been a year. If you actually read the post you will notice that we are talking about a projection of players in to the future, and that the responses are about the 2012 season, and that there is a word in that sentence that says "also", implying that these two players, very similarly, will have had a year to rehab when it is time to play again.

I will be the first to say that, had I thought I was dealing with people who are completely new to the topic at hand, I may have been very careful and said "will have had" or I may have been nerdy/technical enough to say "7 months as of today, but a year by the time the season starts", but on a site like this I guess I do sometimes make the mistake of assuming that everyone kind of has the gist of what they are reading and replying to (obviously that is incorrect). I simply failed to see the point of going K-5 with you, hold your hand, and such.

Blah blah blah. bottom line is ignore the info, see how it works out for you.

 

[SayWhat?]

Geez children. Must everything be put on a plate and stuck in your noses?

By the time the next NFL game that counts is played, it will have been a year. If you actually read the post you will notice that we are talking about a projection of players in to the future, and that the responses are about the 2012 season, and that there is a word in that sentence that says "also", implying that these two players, very similarly, will have had a year to rehab when it is time to play again.

I will be the first to say that, had I thought I was dealing with people who are completely new to the topic at hand, I may have been very careful and said "will have had" or I may have been nerdy/technical enough to say "7 months as of today, but a year by the time the season starts", but on a site like this I guess I do sometimes make the mistake of assuming that everyone kind of has the gist of what they are reading and replying to (obviously that is incorrect). I simply failed to see the point of going K-5 with you, hold your hand, and such.

Blah blah blah. bottom line is ignore the info, see how it works out for you.

Yeah, should have interpreted your concern to be that he's only at 75% as of today, based on the following:

Williams has had a whole year to recoup also and it was said just last week that he is feeling about 75%. 75%? In a year. Last time I checked, they said Wiliiams' knee cap was on the wrong plane of his body and in a year, you get back to 75%.

I understand quite clearly that it will have been a year into Williams' rehab by the time the next NFL game is played. What I also understand is that Williams hasn't had a whole year to recoup, as you state. And that once he does, he'll presumably be much further along than 75%, which was your point of concern. If your point of concern was that he was at 75% seven months into his recovery, then you clearly didn't express that very well. That's all.

 

[mr roboto]

ETA - nevermind, already covered.

 

[Casting Couch]

1. ThomasBush sucks...no way he continues 2011 into 2012. Thomas also gets a full off-season. More RBBC this year and more chances for Thomas. Highest floor out of the four.2. VereenVereen is a much better player than Ridley. Much more explosive. Better receiving skills and the ability to be featured and play goal-line. He was also ahead of Ridley last year until he got injured in the shortened off-season. Vereen also won the practice player of the week several times if I remember correctly. Ridley also has a fumbling problem. Highest ceiling out of the four.3. LeShoureAchilles? He's done. He's only higher than Williams cause he has an injury prone RB in front of him and Williams' injury just sounds nasty.4. WilliamsWells solidified his starting status in Arizona IMO...and torn patella tendon is bad...Williams skills were from his explosiveness and that's gone for sure. His kneecap was in his thigh...I don't think he's going to be near the same ever again.

this.

 

[KellysHeroes]

question, would anyone take any of these guys over Ingram? He didn't do anything himself last yr and also suffered a minor injury

 

[Jersey Jammer]

Thomas has to be at the top of the list, from a least risk perspective. The next three are a crap shoot. Vereen may have the best opportunity for carries.

 

[matttyl]

question, would anyone take any of these guys over Ingram? He didn't do anything himself last yr and also suffered a minor injury

Dynasty, I wouldn't. Redraft, unsure of what Vereen will bring to the table this year.

 

[finito]

1. Thomas

Bush sucks...no way he continues 2011 into 2012. Thomas also gets a full off-season. More RBBC this year and more chances for Thomas. Highest floor out of the four.

2. Vereen

Vereen is a much better player than Ridley. Much more explosive. Better receiving skills and the ability to be featured and play goal-line. He was also ahead of Ridley last year until he got injured in the shortened off-season. Vereen also won the practice player of the week several times if I remember correctly. Ridley also has a fumbling problem. Highest ceiling out of the four.

3. LeShoure

Achilles? He's done. He's only higher than Williams cause he has an injury prone RB in front of him and Williams' injury just sounds nasty.

4. Williams

Wells solidified his starting status in Arizona IMO...and torn patella tendon is bad...Williams skills were from his explosiveness and that's gone for sure. His kneecap was in his thigh...I don't think he's going to be near the same ever again.

this.

Vereen was hurt on the second day, wasn't he? I'm not sure you can say that Vereen was ahead of Ridley last year after basically one practice. I like Vereen better but we saw nothing from him last year really and suggesting he was ahead of Ridley at any point in the season seems off-base considering Vereen got through one practice before being injured. It's not like he was tearing it up for an extended period of time.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Updating a previous item, Lions RB Mikel Leshoure failed to show for his Monday arraignment at a Berrien County Court after his second marijuana possession arrest in as many months.

"He was supposed to be here and he didn't show up," said prosecutor Arthur Cotter. The Detroit Free Press reported Monday afternoon that Leshoure has been in contact with the court and plans to do a walk-in arraignment on Wednesday. Still, his no-show is another big concern. After a 2011 Achilles' tear, the Lions can't reasonably be counting on Leshoure for the 2012 season.

anyone wanna change their vote?

 

[Kleck]

Thomas

Vereen

Williams

Weed

 

[icehacka]

Littering and...littering and...

Williams

Thomas

Vereen

I'm not going to even include Leshoure. The guy is just plain ignoring this whole issue, so to me, he's as good as gone. Without the legal troubles, I would have ranked him 1st on the list.

 

[Nero]

Even before his legal troubles, Leshoure's injury scared me away.

I didn't think Williams would beat out Beanie before he blew out his knee. Beanie should have no worries now.

I suppose Vereen is a hold for now, but I fully expect Ridley to be the lead back going forward.

Daniel Thomas is the only one I'd want at this point. At least he has shown enough to challenge Bush for the lead.