Ryder Cup (1 Viewer)

[Baloney Sandwich]

The 40th Ryder Cup kicks off this Friday morning at Gleneagles in Scotland. The time difference makes things a little tough although I'm planning on getting up very early to watch the action. I guess I'm a bad American as I've rooted and bet on the Euros the last two times. I just like the players on the Euro side better than the Americans and feel like they embrace the team concept better. Should be some great action and I won't be surprised if the Americans sans Tiger win it.

 

[belljr]

I'm off Friday woot... can't wait

 

[Apple Jack]

Reminds me of when I was a kid and a US win was a foregone conclusion. This is the most lopsided match I can remember on paper. I like the US being underdog.

But yeah, they're going to get killed.

 

[TLEF316]

We're going to get thumped

 

[NewlyRetired]

Which network(s) are broadcasting the Ryder Cup?

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Reminds me of when I was a kid and a US win was a foregone conclusion. This is the most lopsided match I can remember on paper. I like the US being underdog.

But yeah, they're going to get killed.

Euros are strong at the top but overall the average world ranking for the US squad is 16th while the average Euro ranking is 20th. Of course, if you just look at the Ryder Cup records of the returning players, Europe has a huge advantage. I feel like Watson is the wildcard because if he can instill the right mindset in his team, they have lots of depth and talent. That said, I'm still betting on Europe.

 

[joffer]

We've been the favorite forever, and it hasn't gone well. Maybe being the underdog for a change will be a good thing.

Really looking forward to it. My 2nd favorite event after the Masters

 

[Johnny Rock]

We've been the favorite forever, and it hasn't gone well. Maybe being the underdog for a change will be a good thing.

Really looking forward to it. My 2nd favorite event after the Masters

Love the Ryder Cup. I've attended only once so far, in 2004 when we got trounced. But even then you felt a miracle during Sunday Singles would be epic. I also agree with the Underdog angle and like Watson as well. Lots of experience there. USA needs to develop some universal chants to combat "Ole, ole ole oleee."

USA 15 1/2

Euros 12 1/2

 

[grateful zed]

i predict an american upset.

 

[Zow]

So psyched. My men's club is doing smock Ryder cup event too on Saturday so should be an awesome weekend of golf.

 

[Zow]

Wish we coulda added Horschel.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Which network(s) are broadcasting the Ryder Cup?

Golf Channel on Friday starting at 2:30 a.m., NBC on Saturday (3 a.m.) and Sunday (7 a.m.). Everything shown live.

 

[Zow]

Are pairings up yet for first set?

 

[Dark Matter]

Wish we coulda added Horschel.

The guy is the hottest US golfer going plus he can put a burr in just about anyone's britches enough to take them off their game. #### Poulter!

 

[James Daulton]

WTF happened to Anthony Kim?

 

[Jackstraw]

My college roommate is Watson's landscaper in KC. He also watches Watson's house when he is away. Me and another buddy are heading up there Friday to stay in Watson's guest house. And watch the Ryder cup in the Captain's living room. Swear on my mother's grave. :geeked:

 

[belljr]

WTF happened to Anthony Kim?

partying in Dallas living off a 15 million insurance settlement

 

[James Daulton]

WTF happened to Anthony Kim?

partying in Dallas living off a 15 million insurance settlement

I totally forgot how he was the spark behind the US team last go-round. Apparently he's been hurt plus the insurance thing is out there. He could have made way more $$ than $15M if he'd have gotten his act together. I think the US team will miss his energy, enthusiasm, and competitiveness.

 

[joffer]

WTF happened to Anthony Kim?

partying in Dallas living off a 15 million insurance settlement

I know he had an Achilles injury, did someone #### up his surgeryAccording to wiki, he no longer plays golf

 

[Apple Jack]

I don't think he's gotten the money yet. And if he plays, it's nullified.

 

[TheIronSheik]

i predict an american upset.

Agreed

 

[belljr]

WTF happened to Anthony Kim?

partying in Dallas living off a 15 million insurance settlement

I know he had an Achilles injury, did someone #### up his surgeryAccording to wiki, he no longer plays golf

thumb and finger.supposedly he is healthy enough to play but if he does he loses that money. Also supposedly behind closed doors he did not gel with the white collar world that is the PGA tour

 

[TobiasFunke]

I predict that the "European" squad will bring the trophy back to the United States with them when they all fly back home on Sunday night.

 

[optionmaven]

I predict that the "European" squad will bring the trophy back to the United States with them when they all fly back home on Sunday night.

The likely outcome, but we can all hope? Can't we. I'm staying away from betting it straight up. Might play some individual matchups.

 

[grateful zed]

My college roommate is Watson's landscaper in KC. He also watches Watson's house when he is away. Me and another buddy are heading up there Friday to stay in Watson's guest house. And watch the Ryder cup in the Captain's living room. Swear on my mother's grave. :geeked:

i friend does a similar thing for phil jackson's flathead lake house. big party this summer while the boss was away, i wasnt there. some crazy memorabilia turned up missing. warnings were issued but no bannins.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I predict that the "European" squad will bring the trophy back to the United States with them when they all fly back home on Sunday night.

The likely outcome, but we can all hope? Can't we. I'm staying away from betting it straight up. Might play some individual matchups.

Indeed. I just think it's kind of funny that the Euros still get fired up about continental pride when most of their golfers are basically full-time US residents.

 

[D in the D]

One country versus an entire continent...I like our chances. <insert Rocky theme here>

 

[gump]

Watson has never lost a Ryder Cup as player or captain.

 

[joffer]

The Scots absolutely love Tom. (Pronounced Toom)

 

[huskers15]

My college roommate is Watson's landscaper in KC. He also watches Watson's house when he is away. Me and another buddy are heading up there Friday to stay in Watson's guest house. And watch the Ryder cup in the Captain's living room. Swear on my mother's grave. :geeked:

Oh my, give me a call I'm only 15 minutes from his house. He's off I-69 and like 250th-300th street I believe.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I predict that the "European" squad will bring the trophy back to the United States with them when they all fly back home on Sunday night.

The likely outcome, but we can all hope? Can't we. I'm staying away from betting it straight up. Might play some individual matchups.

Indeed. I just think it's kind of funny that the Euros still get fired up about continental pride when most of their golfers are basically full-time US residents.

They are full time residents because this is where their day job is, no different than all the overseas soccer players who live and play in Europe. That does not make them any less Argentine, for example, because they live and work in Europe instead of their home country.

Or even someone like Tim Howard who has lived in England for years. That does not make him less American in my eyes.

 

[TheIronSheik]

I predict that the "European" squad will bring the trophy back to the United States with them when they all fly back home on Sunday night.

The likely outcome, but we can all hope? Can't we. I'm staying away from betting it straight up. Might play some individual matchups.

Indeed. I just think it's kind of funny that the Euros still get fired up about continental pride when most of their golfers are basically full-time US residents.

They are full time residents because this is where their day job is, no different than all the overseas soccer players who live and play in Europe. That does not make them any less Argentine, for example, because they live and work in Europe instead of their home country.

Or even someone like Tim Howard who has lived in England for years. That does not make him less American in my eyes.

Yeah. I agree. I'm not sure I get that argument.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I predict that the "European" squad will bring the trophy back to the United States with them when they all fly back home on Sunday night.

The likely outcome, but we can all hope? Can't we. I'm staying away from betting it straight up. Might play some individual matchups.

Indeed. I just think it's kind of funny that the Euros still get fired up about continental pride when most of their golfers are basically full-time US residents.

They are full time residents because this is where their day job is, no different than all the overseas soccer players who live and play in Europe. That does not make them any less Argentine, for example, because they live and work in Europe instead of their home country.

Or even someone like Tim Howard who has lived in England for years. That does not make him less American in my eyes.

I assume Tim Howard lives in England because the EPL season is nine months long with very few breaks, because the sport doesn't offer much scheduling flexibility and because the quality of play of the top American league is so far below the Euro leagues that he basically has no choice if he wants to compete against the best. Is that correct?

None of these things are true about golf or the elite Euro golfers. Most of them could live in Europe six months a year or longer if they wanted to do so.

 

[TheIronSheik]

I predict that the "European" squad will bring the trophy back to the United States with them when they all fly back home on Sunday night.

The likely outcome, but we can all hope? Can't we. I'm staying away from betting it straight up. Might play some individual matchups.

Indeed. I just think it's kind of funny that the Euros still get fired up about continental pride when most of their golfers are basically full-time US residents.

They are full time residents because this is where their day job is, no different than all the overseas soccer players who live and play in Europe. That does not make them any less Argentine, for example, because they live and work in Europe instead of their home country.

Or even someone like Tim Howard who has lived in England for years. That does not make him less American in my eyes.

I assume Tim Howard lives in England because the EPL season is nine months long with very few breaks, because the sport doesn't offer much scheduling flexibility and because the quality of play of the top American league is so far below the Euro leagues that he basically has no choice if he wants to compete against the best. Is that correct?

None of these things are true about golf or the elite Euro golfers. Most of them could live in Europe six months a year or longer if they wanted to do so.

How so? The PGA tour starts in January and goes until September. And when the season is over, the weather in Europe isn't really that inviting to practice up on your game like FL or CA. They may live here most of the time, but I'm sure they still consider themselves Europeans. They only live here because that's what is required for someone in their career choice to do.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I predict that the "European" squad will bring the trophy back to the United States with them when they all fly back home on Sunday night.

The likely outcome, but we can all hope? Can't we. I'm staying away from betting it straight up. Might play some individual matchups.

Indeed. I just think it's kind of funny that the Euros still get fired up about continental pride when most of their golfers are basically full-time US residents.

They are full time residents because this is where their day job is, no different than all the overseas soccer players who live and play in Europe. That does not make them any less Argentine, for example, because they live and work in Europe instead of their home country.

Or even someone like Tim Howard who has lived in England for years. That does not make him less American in my eyes.

I assume Tim Howard lives in England because the EPL season is nine months long with very few breaks, because the sport doesn't offer much scheduling flexibility and because the quality of play of the top American league is so far below the Euro leagues that he basically has no choice if he wants to compete against the best. Is that correct?

None of these things are true about golf or the elite Euro golfers. Most of them could live in Europe six months a year or longer if they wanted to do so.

How so? The PGA tour starts in January and goes until September. And when the season is over, the weather in Europe isn't really that inviting to practice up on your game like FL or CA. They may live here most of the time, but I'm sure they still consider themselves Europeans. They only live here because that's what is required for someone in their career choice to do.

The normal PGA Tour calendar starts with a vacation extension in Hawaii and doesn't come back to the mainland until the end of January, then it ends in early September. Guys take several weeks off midseason all the time. And the Euro Tour is almost the equal of the PGA Tour in quality- or at least it was until those guys started moving over here en masse several years ago. It's totally different from a soccer player leaving the US to go play in a Euro league.

 

[TheIronSheik]

I predict that the "European" squad will bring the trophy back to the United States with them when they all fly back home on Sunday night.

The likely outcome, but we can all hope? Can't we. I'm staying away from betting it straight up. Might play some individual matchups.

Indeed. I just think it's kind of funny that the Euros still get fired up about continental pride when most of their golfers are basically full-time US residents.

They are full time residents because this is where their day job is, no different than all the overseas soccer players who live and play in Europe. That does not make them any less Argentine, for example, because they live and work in Europe instead of their home country.

Or even someone like Tim Howard who has lived in England for years. That does not make him less American in my eyes.

I assume Tim Howard lives in England because the EPL season is nine months long with very few breaks, because the sport doesn't offer much scheduling flexibility and because the quality of play of the top American league is so far below the Euro leagues that he basically has no choice if he wants to compete against the best. Is that correct?

None of these things are true about golf or the elite Euro golfers. Most of them could live in Europe six months a year or longer if they wanted to do so.

How so? The PGA tour starts in January and goes until September. And when the season is over, the weather in Europe isn't really that inviting to practice up on your game like FL or CA. They may live here most of the time, but I'm sure they still consider themselves Europeans. They only live here because that's what is required for someone in their career choice to do.

The normal PGA Tour calendar starts with a vacation extension in Hawaii and doesn't come back to the mainland until the end of January, then it ends in early September. Guys take several weeks off midseason all the time. And the Euro Tour is almost the equal of the PGA Tour in quality- or at least it was until those guys started moving over here en masse several years ago. It's totally different from a soccer player leaving the US to go play in a Euro league.

The money and fame is in the PGA. Plain and simple. You think Rory would have a Nike deal on the European tour? Maybe. But no where near the money he's getting here. And how do you know these guys aren't going home during those breaks? I'm guessing most of them do.

 

[TobiasFunke]

The money and fame is in the PGA. Plain and simple. You think Rory would have a Nike deal on the European tour? Maybe. But no where near the money he's getting here. And how do you know these guys aren't going home during those breaks? I'm guessing most of them do.

I know there's decent reasons they choose to play and live here. But IIRC the Euro tour used to be almost the equal of the PGA Tour, which was kind of the impetus for the whole Ryder Cup rivalry thing. That's basically gone now. These are now mostly full-time PGA Tour players and yearlong American residents I think (not sure about all of them, I know from Twitter that Poulter is, I think some others as well).

Not saying the whole thing is silly or anything, don't get me wrong. Team golf is incredibly fun and I'm glad they still have some Euro pride and can generate a rivalry for this thing, which is definitely a highlight of the golf calendar. I was just making a joke. Seemed kinda funny that all these guys are chartering flights from their homes in America to Europe to go take on the Americans. And then someone drew the parallel with soccer so I gave the reasons why I think it's a different situation.

 

[TheIronSheik]

The money and fame is in the PGA. Plain and simple. You think Rory would have a Nike deal on the European tour? Maybe. But no where near the money he's getting here. And how do you know these guys aren't going home during those breaks? I'm guessing most of them do.

I know there's decent reasons they choose to play and live here. But IIRC the Euro tour used to be almost the equal of the PGA Tour, which was kind of the impetus for the whole Ryder Cup rivalry thing. That's basically gone now. These are now mostly full-time PGA Tour players and yearlong American residents I think (not sure about all of them, I know from Twitter that Poulter is, I think some others as well).

Not saying the whole thing is silly or anything, don't get me wrong. Team golf is incredibly fun and I'm glad they still have some Euro pride and can generate a rivalry for this thing, which is definitely a highlight of the golf calendar. I was just making a joke. Seemed kinda funny that all these guys are chartering flights from their homes in America to Europe to go take on the Americans. And then someone drew the parallel with soccer so I gave the reasons why I think it's a different situation.

I understand. And I wasn't debating it with you in a mean way. But I think just because someone lives in America doesn't mean they still don't love their homeland. I bet if you ask the Euro team, they want to win for their countries. It would be like the guys who work for oil companies overseas still pulling for America at the Olympics.

 

[Dark Matter]

Pairing announced:

http://www.rydercup.com/usa/scoring

Rose/Stenson v Watson/Simpson

Bjorn/Kaymer v Walker/Fowler

Gallacher/Poulter v Reed/Speith

Garcia/McIlroy v Mickelson/Bradley

 

[NewlyRetired]

The money and fame is in the PGA. Plain and simple. You think Rory would have a Nike deal on the European tour? Maybe. But no where near the money he's getting here. And how do you know these guys aren't going home during those breaks? I'm guessing most of them do.

I know there's decent reasons they choose to play and live here. But IIRC the Euro tour used to be almost the equal of the PGA Tour, which was kind of the impetus for the whole Ryder Cup rivalry thing. That's basically gone now. These are now mostly full-time PGA Tour players and yearlong American residents I think (not sure about all of them, I know from Twitter that Poulter is, I think some others as well).

Not saying the whole thing is silly or anything, don't get me wrong. Team golf is incredibly fun and I'm glad they still have some Euro pride and can generate a rivalry for this thing, which is definitely a highlight of the golf calendar. I was just making a joke. Seemed kinda funny that all these guys are chartering flights from their homes in America to Europe to go take on the Americans. And then someone drew the parallel with soccer so I gave the reasons why I think it's a different situation.

I understand. And I wasn't debating it with you in a mean way. But I think just because someone lives in America doesn't mean they still don't love their homeland. I bet if you ask the Euro team, they want to win for their countries. It would be like the guys who work for oil companies overseas still pulling for America at the Olympics.

95% of athletes go where they can make the most money. In golf that is the US, in soccer that is Europe.

This is not really a debatable point. It has nothing really to do with quality per say, it has more to do about check size.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Pairing announced:

http://www.rydercup.com/usa/scoring

Rose/Stenson v Watson/Simpson

Bjorn/Kaymer v Walker/Fowler

Gallacher/Poulter v Reed/Speith

Garcia/McIlroy v Mickelson/Bradley

Watson is getting all 3 rookies out in the morning, probably thinking it is better to roll them out there than sit around all morning and tee off in the afternoon. Obviously the marquee matchup is Garcia/McIlroy vs. Mickelson/Bradley.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I predict that the "European" squad will bring the trophy back to the United States with them when they all fly back home on Sunday night.

The likely outcome, but we can all hope? Can't we. I'm staying away from betting it straight up. Might play some individual matchups.

Indeed. I just think it's kind of funny that the Euros still get fired up about continental pride when most of their golfers are basically full-time US residents.

They are full time residents because this is where their day job is, no different than all the overseas soccer players who live and play in Europe. That does not make them any less Argentine, for example, because they live and work in Europe instead of their home country.Or even someone like Tim Howard who has lived in England for years. That does not make him less American in my eyes.

I assume Tim Howard lives in England because the EPL season is nine months long with very few breaks, because the sport doesn't offer much scheduling flexibility and because the quality of play of the top American league is so far below the Euro leagues that he basically has no choice if he wants to compete against the best. Is that correct?.

I don't think you are looking at it the right way.

Howard is in England because he can make more money there. He was in negotiations with MLS last year but Everton gave him a better deal. He was very explicit about it.

On the reverse side, Clint Dempsey and Michael Bradley came back to MLS because Seattle and Toronto offered them more money than any Euro team did.

It is more about money than quality of competition for most athletes and if given the choice, I am sure many athletes would stay in their home countries if the pay was as good as overseas.

 

[Johnny Rock]

Nobody else predicting the score?

 

[TobiasFunke]

I predict that the "European" squad will bring the trophy back to the United States with them when they all fly back home on Sunday night.

The likely outcome, but we can all hope? Can't we. I'm staying away from betting it straight up. Might play some individual matchups.

Indeed. I just think it's kind of funny that the Euros still get fired up about continental pride when most of their golfers are basically full-time US residents.

They are full time residents because this is where their day job is, no different than all the overseas soccer players who live and play in Europe. That does not make them any less Argentine, for example, because they live and work in Europe instead of their home country.Or even someone like Tim Howard who has lived in England for years. That does not make him less American in my eyes.

I assume Tim Howard lives in England because the EPL season is nine months long with very few breaks, because the sport doesn't offer much scheduling flexibility and because the quality of play of the top American league is so far below the Euro leagues that he basically has no choice if he wants to compete against the best. Is that correct?.

I don't think you are looking at it the right way.

Howard is in England because he can make more money there. He was in negotiations with MLS last year but Everton gave him a better deal. He was very explicit about it.

On the reverse side, Clint Dempsey and Michael Bradley came back to MLS because Seattle and Toronto offered them more money than any Euro team did.

It is more about money than quality of competition for most athletes and if given the choice, I am sure many athletes would stay in their home countries if the pay was as good as overseas.

But hasn't the PGA always paid better than the Euro tour? And I know for a fact that the weather has always been better for year-round practice in the US. Yet those guys just recently started coming over in waves.

Regardless, there is definitely more scheduling flexibility on golf. And those guys still compete in Europe and all over the world. And the few I follow on twitter seem to stay in the states even during the offseason, which is much longer than soccer's. It's an apples and oranges comparison.

And really I was just making a meaningless little joke, anyway.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Nobody else predicting the score?

35-3. Late field goal ruins the shutout bid.

 

[TheIronSheik]

What are the times for tomorrow? Meaning, when will it be on TV? Looks like it starts at 2:30 am ET? Is that correct? Is it just one round on Friday? Or do they have a morning and afternoon session?

Just trying to figure out if I should try to get out early tomorrow to try and catch any of it live.

 

[mquinnjr]

Friend from Scotland was saying US players look very loose and relaxed as underdogs in practice shots, and it's making the Europeans nervous being favorites.

Hope that actually holds some water.

 

[NewlyRetired]

What are the times for tomorrow? Meaning, when will it be on TV? Looks like it starts at 2:30 am ET? Is that correct? Is it just one round on Friday? Or do they have a morning and afternoon session?

Just trying to figure out if I should try to get out early tomorrow to try and catch any of it live.

Scroll down to see the exact coverage

http://www.sbnation.com/golf/2014/9/25/6842221/ryder-cup-2014-streaming-live-tv-coverage-viewing-guide

 

[TheIronSheik]

What are the times for tomorrow? Meaning, when will it be on TV? Looks like it starts at 2:30 am ET? Is that correct? Is it just one round on Friday? Or do they have a morning and afternoon session?

Just trying to figure out if I should try to get out early tomorrow to try and catch any of it live.

Scroll down to see the exact coverage

http://www.sbnation.com/golf/2014/9/25/6842221/ryder-cup-2014-streaming-live-tv-coverage-viewing-guide

Awesome. Thanks, GB!

 

[Mr. Ected]

Heard something interesting today on TK radio show that McIlroy doesn't do that well in less than perfect weather. The guest at Ryder said that it was going to be windy (surprise!) and that might affect Rory's play.

Friend of mine that is there got into the UK Daily Mail paper.