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[flranger]

Did I just read on another post that Plummer was #13 QB in ADP? WTF?

That team is a sure bet for the playoffs, and I have a hard time seeing it being on the backs of Tatum Oneal and Thunderfoot Dayne. Plummer is a lock top 10 QB, without Javon Walker. Add him to the team and it only increases his chances. I see #4-7 on the radar.

Anyone else got a "Steal of the Draft" ("The Original Whiz" doesn't count)

 

[wannabee]

I like Plummer quite a bit for redrafts, too

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

S.O.D. Discussion

 

[imeimex]

I think it is hard for a QB to be the steal of the draft. If you go the route that most Sharks do and take 2 QBs late and play matchups you can do very well. It always seems like the QBs from the 4-12 range score very close to each other, and if you find a QB that matches up with Plummer, you will probably end up only starting him 8-10 games in a year. This has worked for many of us in the past but now with all the ragtag magazines out expousing the RB theory the Steal of the Draft will be a backup running back where the starter gets hurt early in the year and the backup excels, ala Larry Johnson the last two years.

 

[diesel7982]

I took Plummer as the #12QB in a draft where running is valued and there is no penalty for turnovers. I feel like a thief.

 

[imeimex]

I took Plummer as the #12QB in a draft where running is valued and there is no penalty for turnovers. I feel like a thief.

Agreed, I had Plummer for two leagues that I made the championship in last year. He is very good producer especially because they love that roll out in the red zone. I'm just not sure how many games he won me outright. I had him combined with Delhomme last year and it was pretty easy to predict which games each one would struggle in. I think Plummer will outperform his draft slot, especially in a league that does not penalize turnovers. However it is pretty hard to be the steal of the draft when the difference between the 6th QB and the 13th QB in one of the leagues I had him was less than 10 points for the entire season.

 

[wannabee]

I took Plummer as the #12QB in a draft where running is valued and there is no penalty for turnovers. I feel like a thief.

I agree, Diesel. I think this is the year to have Plummer in redraft leagues. Nice pick. What round?

 

[NYG Endzone]

I think it is hard for a QB to be the steal of the draft. If you go the route that most Sharks do and take 2 QBs late and play matchups you can do very well. It always seems like the QBs from the 4-12 range score very close to each other, and if you find a QB that matches up with Plummer, you will probably end up only starting him 8-10 games in a year. This has worked for many of us in the past but now with all the ragtag magazines out expousing the RB theory the Steal of the Draft will be a backup running back where the starter gets hurt early in the year and the backup excels, ala Larry Johnson the last two years.

Didnt draft Eli or Palmer last season?

 

[imeimex]

I think it is hard for a QB to be the steal of the draft. If you go the route that most Sharks do and take 2 QBs late and play matchups you can do very well. It always seems like the QBs from the 4-12 range score very close to each other, and if you find a QB that matches up with Plummer, you will probably end up only starting him 8-10 games in a year. This has worked for many of us in the past but now with all the ragtag magazines out expousing the RB theory the Steal of the Draft will be a backup running back where the starter gets hurt early in the year and the backup excels, ala Larry Johnson the last two years.

Didnt draft Eli or Palmer last season?

Point taken, Palmer could definately have been considered steal of the draft last year. I just think with most of the veterans you can slot them in pretty accurately and with Plummer I see that being in the 6-9 range.

 

[diesel7982]

I took Plummer as the #12QB in a draft where running is valued and there is no penalty for turnovers.  I feel like a thief.

I agree, Diesel. I think this is the year to have Plummer in redraft leagues. Nice pick. What round?

9th

 

[Cookiemonster]

Myself, I'll take Brooks two or three rounds later and if Moss stays healthy should throw for more yards and at least as many TDs as Plummer. One bad year on a bad team under bad circumstances doesn't make me as down on the guy as everybody else seems to be. Top 10 for every year but last, and now can be had for a song.

 

[cantstop1999]

i think you guys are nuts. he stinks. last year he finished 15th in my league, i dont know why you are all high on him ? last year he finished bad and this year he is going to lose the #1 wr and he now has walker who wont be fully healthy this year. if you want my 2 cents i say he is a bust this year.

 

[-OZ-]

I just think with most of the veterans you can slot them in pretty accurately and with Plummer I see that being in the 6-9 range.

I like it when people think this way, it generally leads to them drafting young potential instead of proven players, which in turn makes the proven players good values.Guys like Galloway and Glenn last year, for example.

This year, I like Hines Ward, Keyshawn, and as almost every year, Kennison.

 

[Browns Rule!]

1. For WR's, I like to grab guys that start next to guys that had career years the year before. I think that the players that had career years will probably be way overrated, and the players opposite them severly underrated. For instance, career year, Santana Moss (ADP 37), starter next to him, Brandon Lloyd (ADP 152) or Joey Galloway (ADP 65) with the career year, starter next to him, Michael Clayton (ADP 82).

2. TE's on team's with the worst receivers seem to have the most productive TE's. LJ Smith I think is a good value for Philly, Winslow falls into this category, but he is pretty high already, I think Vernon Davis has the potential to be a good value pick.

3. Sometimes, I think rookie RB's are way overvalued. I think guys like Dominick Rhodes, Chris Brown, or Corey Dillon have big sleeper potential.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

i think you guys are nuts. he stinks. last year he finished 15th in my league, i dont know why you are all high on him ? last year he finished bad and this year he is going to lose the #1 wr and he now has walker who wont be fully healthy this year. if you want my 2 cents i say he is a bust this year.

where is Rod Smith going? How is Jake gonna loose him?

 

[cantstop1999]

i think you guys are nuts. he stinks. last year he finished 15th in my league, i dont know why you are all high on him ? last year he finished bad and this year he is going to lose the #1 wr and he now has walker who wont be fully healthy this year. if you want my 2 cents i say he is a bust this year.

where is Rod Smith going? How is Jake gonna loose him?

lelie was #1 if you ask me. but i guess r.smith is the #1. BUT I WAS TALKING ABOUT LELIE. rod is over the hill.

 

[diesel7982]

i think you guys are nuts. he stinks. last year he finished 15th in my league, i dont know why you are all high on him ? last year he finished bad and this year he is going to lose the #1 wr and he now has walker who wont be fully healthy this year. if you want my 2 cents i say he is a bust this year.

where is Rod Smith going? How is Jake gonna loose him?

lelie was #1 if you ask me. but i guess r.smith is the #1. BUT I WAS TALKING ABOUT LELIE. rod is over the hill.

I have a hard time figuring out if posts like these are real.

Do I respond? Is he fishing? So hard to tell.

 

[cantstop1999]

i know r.smith had over 1000 yards and 6tds but he is going to be 37 and he is no jerry rice. he is on the decline

 

[Warpig]

Personally, I find it hard to get excited over a guy that can BARELY get me 1 TD a game as a QB. Not to mention the miniscule yards he'll pass for. He wouldn't be a bad QB as a backup on my team.

 

[Sigfawn]

i think you guys are nuts. he stinks. last year he finished 15th in my league, i dont know why you are all high on him ? last year he finished bad and this year he is going to lose the #1 wr and he now has walker who wont be fully healthy this year. if you want my 2 cents i say he is a bust this year.

where is Rod Smith going? How is Jake gonna loose him?

lelie was #1 if you ask me. but i guess r.smith is the #1. BUT I WAS TALKING ABOUT LELIE. rod is over the hill.

There goes that theory about id #. You do realize lesuck had 1 td and 42 catches right?

Not sure how less catches, less yards, less TDs = #1. That would mean I'm the #1 on the Cowboys.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

i think you guys are nuts. he stinks. last year he finished 15th in my league, i dont know why you are all high on him ? last year he finished bad and this year he is going to lose the #1 wr and he now has walker who wont be fully healthy this year. if you want my 2 cents i say he is a bust this year.

where is Rod Smith going? How is Jake gonna loose him?

lelie was #1 if you ask me. but i guess r.smith is the #1. BUT I WAS TALKING ABOUT LELIE. rod is over the hill.

There goes that theory about id #. You do realize lesuck had 1 td and 42 catches right?

Not sure how less catches, less yards, less TDs = #1. That would mean I'm the #1 on the Cowboys.

There goes that theory about id #.

 

[Double_J]

My SOD this year would be Chester Taylor. I don't see him being the 22nd running back, which is what FBG's ranked him in their mag. Minnesota shipped off Bennett, Williams, and Smith. I think a lot of people are forgetting how good Minnesota's OL is as well as the addition of Tony Richardson. I see him outperforming his draft slot greatly. I'm leaning towards RB, elite WR, Taylor depending on my draft slot. The only thing I hate is we redraw after every 2 rounds so I can't be sure where I'll draft in the 3rd/4th.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Myself, I'll take Brooks two or three rounds later and if Moss stays healthy should throw for more yards and at least as many TDs as Plummer. One bad year on a bad team under bad circumstances doesn't make me as down on the guy as everybody else seems to be. Top 10 for every year but last, and now can be had for a song.

As long as turnovers don't matter. Brooks will throw 25 ints if he plays in all 16 games and probably fumble 5 times on a team that will always be playing from behind. Plummer may have similiar yardage and TD numbers but his turnovers will pale in comparison to Brooks. No way i'd take Brooks as my starting QB unless I was picking a QB right after. In that scenario the cost benefit ratio is substantially reduced and is equivilant to taking a QB in the very early rounds. I'd start singing if I were you but don't sing the blues when Brooks comes up craps.

 

[Deuce'sWild]

My SOD this year would be Chester Taylor. I don't see him being the 22nd running back, which is what FBG's ranked him in their mag. Minnesota shipped off Bennett, Williams, and Smith. I think a lot of people are forgetting how good Minnesota's OL is as well as the addition of Tony Richardson. I see him outperforming his draft slot greatly. I'm leaning towards RB, elite WR, Taylor depending on my draft slot. The only thing I hate is we redraw after every 2 rounds so I can't be sure where I'll draft in the 3rd/4th.

I like Taylor as well, and I'm thinking of going RB, WR, WR, RB....and trying to pick up Taylor or Dunn.I really like Dunn this year. 4.03...he might still be there.

 

[wannabee]

I took Plummer as the #12QB in a draft where running is valued and there is no penalty for turnovers.  I feel like a thief.

I agree, Diesel. I think this is the year to have Plummer in redraft leagues. Nice pick. What round?

9th

WOW! What a steal. I do know Plummer is one I will be targetting in redrafts, like Palmer and Collins last year.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

My SOD this year would be Chester Taylor. I don't see him being the 22nd running back, which is what FBG's ranked him in their mag. Minnesota shipped off Bennett, Williams, and Smith. I think a lot of people are forgetting how good Minnesota's OL  is as well as the addition of Tony Richardson. I see him outperforming his draft slot greatly. I'm leaning towards RB, elite WR, Taylor depending on my draft slot. The only thing I hate is we redraw after every 2 rounds so I can't be sure where I'll draft in the 3rd/4th.

I like Taylor as well, and I'm thinking of going RB, WR, WR, RB....and trying to pick up Taylor or Dunn.I really like Dunn this year. 4.03...he might still be there.

Dunn is a steal every year. Chester or Warrick should not be available in round 4. If they are, absolute steals.

 

[mozzy84]

I took Plummer as the #12QB in a draft where running is valued and there is no penalty for turnovers. I feel like a thief.

I agree, Diesel. I think this is the year to have Plummer in redraft leagues. Nice pick. What round?

9th

WOW! What a steal. I do know Plummer is one I will be targetting in redrafts, like Palmer and Collins last year.

that seems right about where he should be going to me, 8-9th round. dunno I guess, I wouldn't be taking him earlier than that myself.

 

[nygiants56]

1. For WR's, I like to grab guys that start next to guys that had career years the year before. I think that the players that had career years will probably be way overrated, and the players opposite them severly underrated. For instance, career year, Santana Moss (ADP 37), starter next to him, Brandon Lloyd (ADP 152) or Joey Galloway (ADP 65) with the career year, starter next to him, Michael Clayton (ADP 82).

2. TE's on team's with the worst receivers seem to have the most productive TE's. LJ Smith I think is a good value for Philly, Winslow falls into this category, but he is pretty high already, I think Vernon Davis has the potential to be a good value pick.

3. Sometimes, I think rookie RB's are way overvalued. I think guys like Dominick Rhodes, Chris Brown, or Corey Dillon have big sleeper potential.

for your second point, a TE to keep an eye on is Ben Troupe. last year, Tennessee threw to the TE's more than any team in NFL history other than the 1983 Chargers with Kellen Winslow et al. The Titans WR's, including Bennett, are lousy run of the mill players..Bennett is constantly hurt, and once he goes down ( again), Volek, as he always does, focuses on one guy only, and that person will be Ben Troupe..Erron Kinney has been an injury risk ever since entering the NFL , he can't seem to stay healthy and play a full season, leaving Troupe as the beneficiary of passes to the TE position...he could easily grab 70-75 balls in 2006.. he caught 55 last year, in just 11 games..someone to keep an eye on for sure!

your 3rd point is great, rookie RB's are hard to figure out, and often times, guys in keeper/dynasty leagues who are drafting in the top 5-6 spots, have problems selecting the real 'keeper' rb's, and inevitably, someone always grabs a guy like TJ ( his rookie year was atrocious) or JJ Arrington, or Chris Brown the year after Eddie George left, Troy Davis, Kevin Jones, etc..

 

[MLBrandow]

QB: Mark Brunell

WR: Koren Robinnon

RB: Maurice Drew

TE: Ben Watson

DT: Seahawks

 

[KCC]

If you're drafting now, grab Plummer, but Plummer is a guy that will climb up most people's draft boards by the time late August rolls around. I've seen him listed on a lot of "sleeper" lists on various sites and publications and the entire crew of ESPN's "NFL Live" was singing his praises yesterday. As it stands now, Plummer is still a bargain. If you draft right before the regular season, Plummer may actually end up being over-valued.

 

[joffer]

lelie was #1 if you ask me.

 

[joffer]

as far as a SOD, I'm starting to like Culpepper more and more. The site's ADP has him at QB8, but it seems like i've been able to get him much later as a QB2 in the mocks i've done.

 

[imeimex]

as far as a SOD, I'm starting to like Culpepper more and more. The site's ADP has him at QB8, but it seems like i've been able to get him much later as a QB2 in the mocks i've done.

I would tend to agree with Culpepper as a potential steal of the draft. Even if he misses some games at the start of the year, C-Pep has shown that he has the potential to win ff games single handedly. While Plummer is the much safer pick, C-Pep has a much larger upside and a greater potential for SOD.

 

[rascal]

Kitna, Gado, MBIII, Zach Hilton, Cedric WIlson, and Terry Glenn

 

[Ron_Mexico]

BOLD PREDICTION:

Bradlee Van Pelt will have Plummer's job by mid-season.

 

[diesel7982]

BOLD PREDICTION:

Bradlee Van Pelt will have Plummer's job by mid-season.

Bold?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

BOLD PREDICTION:

Bradlee Van Pelt will have Plummer's job by mid-season.

Bold?

Bold = Idiotic

 

[MLBrandow]

Kitna, Gado, MBIII, Zach Hilton, Cedric WIlson, and Terry Glenn

That's an interesting list... You see Wilson getting that many balls? I haven't heard his name all offseason.

Gado is to be the opening day starter, correct? I was under the impression that Green won't be back until a few weeks into the season, perhaps october. Any chance if Gado runs well enough, Green won't get his job back?

 

[Ed Wood]

as far as a SOD, I'm starting to like Culpepper more and more. The site's ADP has him at QB8...

I agree on Culpepper even at QB8 and the 71st player picked. I think he outperforms Marc Bulger (QB7, 63rd) who's in the midst of a regime change and Eli Manning (QB6, 55th) whose targets aren't as attractive IMO.And keeping on a Miami track, I see McMichael as underrated at TE8, 86th player. Culpepper bumps him up around TE4.

I'll also give a shout out to David Carr as a potential SOD at QB21, 130th player. More talent and an offensive minded head coach should vault him considerably higher if they can keep him on his feet.

 

[Byron_nyc]

The SOD for me are either/ors. I think all these situations resolve to one of the two guys having a big year (rather than committee.) If you can get both, you'll be happy. The first two pairs, I think, are definitely gettable without totally reconfiguring your draft strategy to do so.

Chester Taylor and Mewelde Moore

Ernest Wilford and Matt Jones

Cedric Benson and Thomas Jones

Ron Dayne and Tatum Bell.

 

[Wingnut]

BOLD PREDICTION:

Bradlee Van Pelt will have hold Plummer's job clipboard by mid- all season.

fixed

 

[Grid71]

Did I just read on another post that Plummer was #13 QB in ADP? WTF?

That team is a sure bet for the playoffs, and I have a hard time seeing it being on the backs of Tatum Oneal and Thunderfoot Dayne. Plummer is a lock top 10 QB, without Javon Walker. Add him to the team and it only increases his chances. I see #4-7 on the radar.

Anyone else got a "Steal of the Draft" ("The Original Whiz" doesn't count)

The drop in RB quality raises Elam's value more than Plummer. There is your sleeper kicker if there is such a thing.

 

[ProdigyofParcells]

SOD would likely be one picked mid rounds that can make a top ten impact.

I like Lendale White, Ryan Moats, and Greg Jones for rbs.

I like Eric Moulds, Mark Clayton, and Drew Bennett at WR.

I like Todd Heap (severely overlooked considering numbers, talent, and qb), Winslow, and Hilton.

I like Rivers, Kitna, and Culpepper at QB.

 

[Wingnut]

Did I just read on another post that Plummer was #13 QB in ADP? WTF?

That team is a sure bet for the playoffs, and I have a hard time seeing it being on the backs of Tatum Oneal and Thunderfoot Dayne. Plummer is a lock top 10 QB, without Javon Walker. Add him to the team and it only increases his chances. I see #4-7 on the radar.

Anyone else got a "Steal of the Draft" ("The Original Whiz" doesn't count)

The drop in RB quality raises Elam's value more than Plummer. There is your sleeper kicker if there is such a thing.

Elam a sleeper kicker??? Hes a perennial top 5 kicker. I dont think sleeper applies. Even if it did, hes a kicker. A kicker.I like Michael Clayton, Mark Clayton, Burleson at WR

Havent projected QB and RB yet

 

[Jon_Moore]

I think Plummer's a good call, but I'm a big fan of Bledsoe this year. Had himself a good season last year, and just gained, in my opinion, the best receiver in the game. Owens made Garcia a fantasy stud, and took Mcnabb to a new level.

I've gotten him ususally round 7 or 8, where as in the past, I've spent a 4th or 5th round pick on a Marc Bulger.