a_rackowski
Footballguy
This sets in stone that they wil be taking D'brickshaw.
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Saints trade LT Gandy to ATL for S Byron Scott (1 Viewer)
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Snot Bubbler
Footballguy
This also most likely kills any trade talk. The Saints can't afford to trade down now and risk someone scooping up Ferguson.
hmmm..
so. pencil in brick at 2. i would think that the Titans would happily scoop up Leinart, the Jets would take super Mario, then hawk to the Pack. The niners might have a tough choice between Davis and Ngata... Young to the Raiders?
so. pencil in brick at 2. i would think that the Titans would happily scoop up Leinart, the Jets would take super Mario, then hawk to the Pack. The niners might have a tough choice between Davis and Ngata... Young to the Raiders?
Weiner Dog
Footballguy
Hmmm...are the Saints down on either Dwight Smith or Josh Bullocks?? I would think not. Plus, why would the Saints want to show their cards three weeks before the draft. If this is true, they are pigeoned-hole with Brick at 1.2 (which is not all bad).
Mario...welcome to the Jets!
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Still not convinced Mario to JEts -
Leinart could slip to #4 with tenn going Young or Mario
or
Jets will now talk up Mario big time - pimp the pick and trade down a few spots to grab Cutler.
I personally would rather have Cutler and another 2nd rder than Mario. As long as Cutler grades out high enough
Leinart could slip to #4 with tenn going Young or Mario
or
Jets will now talk up Mario big time - pimp the pick and trade down a few spots to grab Cutler.
I personally would rather have Cutler and another 2nd rder than Mario. As long as Cutler grades out high enough
redman
Footballguy
Picking at #2, how exactly does that hurt them? The only team ahead of them, the Texans, are almost sure to pick Bush, and even if they don't won't pick a lineman. I also can't imagine another team trading up to #1 to take a lineman. As for the timing, it may have been the Falcons that insisted upon this deal now so that they can finalize their draft plans with Gandy already in place.
a_rackowski
Footballguy
I dont think it crushes the trade down. While I think they are locked in with d'Brick, I also think Justice after his combine has graded out very close and should make an excellent LT in the NFL.
The whole issue of Mario vs. a QB for the Jets has me stumped. I could see them going either way, but right now my gut says Mario, because he's the safer pick, and arguably has higher upside than any of the QBs + he's a perfect cornerstone for mangini's hybrid D.
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Weiner Dog
Footballguy
It's probably no biggie since Brick is easily worth the #2 overall, but it would have been nice for the Saints to have options (ala Brick, Mario, Hawk, A Davis) in the event of a hearty trade-down offer. All four players are lottery picks and would have fit nicely on the Saints squad. Brick will be a great pick, but it would have been nice to acquire an extra 2nd or 3rd in a move down.
They could have a trade down possibility and Winston Justice is the perfect fit then, right?I'm not "seeing" this one with the Safeties they've got so I'm figuring there's more to it. What though?
Hmmm...are the Saints down on either Dwight Smith or Josh Bullocks?? I would think not. Plus, why would the Saints want to show their cards three weeks before the draft. If this is true, they are pigeoned-hole with Brick at 1.2 (which is not all bad).
Mario...welcome to the Jets!
Sidewinder
Footballguy
Mitchell just signed with NE and no telling if Bellamy will be back, Scott is simply some depth at safety.They could have a trade down possibility and Winston Justice is the perfect fit then, right?I'm not "seeing" this one with the Safeties they've got so I'm figuring there's more to it. What though?
Hmmm...are the Saints down on either Dwight Smith or Josh Bullocks?? I would think not. Plus, why would the Saints want to show their cards three weeks before the draft. If this is true, they are pigeoned-hole with Brick at 1.2 (which is not all bad).
Mario...welcome to the Jets!
a_rackowski
Footballguy
I believe Scott can backup at both safety positions, and seriously there is notihng wrong with having an extra defensive back. I think this trade was more about the draft pick (4th round?) than anything.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Personally I think this all but assures the Jets won't trade up...they'll hope Leinart falls to them otherwise they'll grab Mario.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
Anybody have a decent player analysis on Scott?
Saints-Man
Footballguy
My thoughts also.
Saints-Man
Footballguy
I agree, but is it possible the undisclosed pick is a 3? I doubt it would be a 2.
I don't see how this affects the Saints trade possibilities. If (and this is a question noone can answer till draft day) any team wants Leinart then they still have to jump the Titans. I can see the Saints dropping to as far as 6th and still getting great value.
1) Bush
2) Leinart
3) Young
4) Mario
5) Hawk
I still see a trade with the Jets as the most likely scenerio. If the Jets want Leinart, the Saints will play the Titans against the Jets and get at least a third to drop two spots and still get their guy and pay him less.
1) Bush
2) Leinart
3) Young
4) Mario
5) Hawk
I still see a trade with the Jets as the most likely scenerio. If the Jets want Leinart, the Saints will play the Titans against the Jets and get at least a third to drop two spots and still get their guy and pay him less.
It affects their possibilities by leaving them in a pretty tight spot if they don't get a starting quality tackle in the draft. they could land one in the 2nd that could play RT if you take Payton at his word on the shifting of Brown to LT (i dont), otherwise they need Brick.
psychobillies
Footballguy
Brown is a RT. He was drafted to play the right side, so I don't believe Payton either. The only wild card here is former 2nd rd pick Jonathan Stinchcomb, who was "supposedly" coming into his own at LT before missing last year with an injury.I don't know. I think the probability of Ferguson just jumped up a good bit, but unlike some have posted, I don't think it's written in stone.
nothing is in stone until the name is called, i have learned my lesson thinking that you can nail the picks before the draft. that being said, I had read in a few sources i really trust that the saints had decided that brick was their man and that they would only trade down if they were sure they could still get him, so this move is consistent with that info.
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I agree they would be better served picking Brick. The Saints drafted an Olineman a few years ago in the second round that they have been grooming (Stinchcomb). Mayberry could play right tackle if pressed to do so as well. He was signed with that in mind before last year's draft. The Saints greatest need is DT and LB. They were awfull against the run. I still think they drop down, take their chances, and get more picks or they pick Leinart and work out a trade afterward. Franchise QBs usually get the most attention when it comes to draft day trades. Draft day is going to fun this year!
psychobillies
Footballguy
That's fine by me. I wanted Brick or Hawk coming out of this draft, with Hawk being the most glaring need before today. Now all bets are off and we had better get Brees some protection.
broncofan13000
Footballguy
sweet now denver is in striking distance of getting Mario at #4 :tradeup: 
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
If Payton comes from the Parcells school of OL apathy, then D'Brick may not be as certain as many of you think. Brown most certainly can move to LT. In fact, I think he's a franchise LT in the making. Do they need two franchise LTs with all the other holes on the roster? Nope. Not with guys like Scott, Whitworth, etc, available later.
They don't need Mario and they don't need D'Brick. I think Hawk may be the biggest impact player for their roster, no?
Moving down is probably still their primary goal. I can see them drafting Leinart ala SD drafting Manning and having a trade worked out in advance. Would the Jets cough up 4 and 29 for Leinart? Pennington, Ramsey?
All I'm sure of is I'm sure of nothing.
They don't need Mario and they don't need D'Brick. I think Hawk may be the biggest impact player for their roster, no?
Moving down is probably still their primary goal. I can see them drafting Leinart ala SD drafting Manning and having a trade worked out in advance. Would the Jets cough up 4 and 29 for Leinart? Pennington, Ramsey?
All I'm sure of is I'm sure of nothing.
No link but I remember in the paper about them pretty much deciding they were parting ways with Gandy regardless. To get something for him rather than cutting him is the only story. It doesnt force the Saints hand either. Seesm to me the trade didnt expose what we already knew was a weak OL, weak DT, and weak LBs.
In thier division, New Orleans Faces the following DE's
ATL - Abraham and Kerney
Car - Peppers and Rucker
TB - Rice and Spires
Each team above combined for a minimum of 18 sacks last year from the Defensive Ends alone. New Orleans needs people who can block those guys more than they need a 3rd Pass Rusher. Otherwise Brees and his sholder will get driven into the turf repeatedly.
I guess if that happens, they can always draft a new QB high next year.
ATL - Abraham and Kerney
Car - Peppers and Rucker
TB - Rice and Spires
Each team above combined for a minimum of 18 sacks last year from the Defensive Ends alone. New Orleans needs people who can block those guys more than they need a 3rd Pass Rusher. Otherwise Brees and his sholder will get driven into the turf repeatedly.
I guess if that happens, they can always draft a new QB high next year.
Weiner Dog
Footballguy
Good call. The new LT for the Saints (whether it's Brown or Brick) will have to face Abraham, Rice and Peppers a total of six times next year.
Not good when you're right-handed QB is coming off surgery on his right shoulder.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Jets #4 for Denver's #15, #22 and a 2nd day pick? Give the Jets 3 legit 1st rd picks and 1 quasi at the 3rd pick in the 2nd rd. Miss out on the blue chip studs but could land 3 excellent players to rebuild - #15 - RB - D. Williamssweet now denver is in striking distance of getting Mario at #4 :tradeup:
#22 - LB - Bobby Carpenter
#29 - OL - E. Winston?
#35 - C - Mangold
What a draft that would be!
-OZ-
Footballguy
While I agree with the pick, and like Mario a lot, if it's pure upside you're talking about, I don't see how anyone after Bush has a higher upside than Young. Totally agree on being stumped here, I was thinking the same thing.
Two picks stump me
1. Jets - Mario vs. VY
2. Packers if Mario slips vs. Hawk.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
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Englishteacher
Footballguy
Peppers plays LDE.Good call. The new LT for the Saints (whether it's Brown or Brick) will have to face Abraham, Rice and Peppers a total of six times next year.
Not good when you're right-handed QB is coming off surgery on his right shoulder.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
I was thinking the Saints could do the same thing with multiple trades but I might start a separate thread on that.Jets #4 for Denver's #15, #22 and a 2nd day pick? Give the Jets 3 legit 1st rd picks and 1 quasi at the 3rd pick in the 2nd rd. Miss out on the blue chip studs but could land 3 excellent players to rebuild - #15 - RB - D. Williamssweet now denver is in striking distance of getting Mario at #4 :tradeup:
#22 - LB - Bobby Carpenter
#29 - OL - E. Winston?
#35 - C - Mangold
What a draft that would be!
As a Dolphins fan, I don't like the Jets rebuilding this quickly one bit.I was thinking the Saints could do the same thing with multiple trades but I might start a separate thread on that.Jets #4 for Denver's #15, #22 and a 2nd day pick? Give the Jets 3 legit 1st rd picks and 1 quasi at the 3rd pick in the 2nd rd. Miss out on the blue chip studs but could land 3 excellent players to rebuild - #15 - RB - D. Williamssweet now denver is in striking distance of getting Mario at #4 :tradeup:
#22 - LB - Bobby Carpenter
#29 - OL - E. Winston?
#35 - C - Mangold
What a draft that would be!
That said, something like that would be a smart way to go IMO.Only the Giants and the Colts come to mind as being better. But the depth of the division is what is impressive. Also, I only counted the starting DE, I didn't include DT, or LB. I took a quick look at Team Sacks, and the AFC South with Indy, Tennesse and Jax all above 40 looks to be the best. Of course, they all get to play Houston twice a year, so I question their "strength of schedule"The other interesting thing I noticed is that New Orleans only got 26 Total sacks last year. They only got 1 from all of their Line Backers. If they want to rush the passer better, replacing one of their two best pass rushers with another pass rusher makes no sense. They need to hope Grant has a bounce back year, and look for a DT or a Linebacker who can get to the QB when they come.
