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Saints will not win the NFC Championship (1 Viewer)
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Gadabout
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This, at times, can have an effect on the game.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Saints were without starting Corner Greer, Starting corner Porter,and starting Lber Fujita on defense. On offense even though the Saints are still ranked number 1 they are playing without starting left tackle Brown, starting fullback Evans, starting left tight end Billy Miller, and the best WR on the team last year Lance Moore and Mike Bell. Falclowns excuses get tired and old. Here is another image Falcon fan of the Saints being welcomed back to New Orleans by real fans. This is something you will never see in Atlanta:http://link.brightcove.com/services/player...tid=56861352001
enjoy
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saintfool
Dead sexy
"outcoached bigtime" how exactly? both teams moved the ball well with very few penalties. the saints played with a lead for much of the game. the saints had one turnover off a busted gimmick play. atlanta had two turnovers - an interception and on downs - late in the game. this was not outcoaching. the saints were the better team. just as they were the better team 6 weeks ago with a 35-28 victory (which had turner and ryan, btw)...
you are absolutely clueless if you are going to compare injured tackles and corners to a starting qb and rb. riiiiigghht. how good would your team be without drew brees? How about next time they play if brees and thomas sit out mike peterson, decoud, and babineaux will sitout. Watchu think? I wasn't making excuses either. I was pointing out the fact that you were making fun of a coach that completely outcoached the one you have been trying to defend. and please I dont want to watch footage of that piece of trash city.
saintfool
Dead sexy
stay classy, alpharetta!the saints did beat the falcons when both ryan and turner were playing. you still haven't shed any light on how smith outcoached payton though. personally, i don't mind smith. he seems to have classed up the franchise, in fact, and made the team actually a football team instead of an insane asylum.
Gadabout
Footballguy
@ comparing Ryan to Brees.
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
Dude its week 14, everyone has injuries. Washington has 10 guys on IR plus 3 more out today thats more then half the starters. So stop crying about injuries.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
No one is crying about injuries I was responding to a Falcon fan who was discrediting the Saints victory because of two players injuries. That is the only reason I brought it up. Good teams win through adversity and bad teams moan about what would have been.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
If anyone beats the Saints in the NFC playoffs, it won't be one of the NFC East teams. They all have serious flaws.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
They will if the Eagles defense plays like it did tonight.
Dragon1952
Footballguy
Actually, I didn't care for the fake on 4th and 8 or whatever, with Brunell throwing the ball. I mean, you've got arguably the best QB in the league with Brees. Why let a backup QB muck up the play, and why the need for a gimmick? Leave Brees in and go for it, or kick the FG....which is probably what they should have done..
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Gadabout
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DerekZoolander
Footballguy
13-0. All that matters.
We don't know yet what'll happen in the playoffs, but right now, the Saints and the Colts have gotten it done better than anyone else. Both those teams have pushed through a serious rash of injuries to keep winning.
The Falcons and the Redskins have pushed the Saints largely because #1: NO's top two (and last week, three) CBs were sidelined and #2: they and their fans were geeked up to try and knock off the current kings of the hill.
To the Falcons, today was a chance to at least grasp some validation for a disappointing season...to be the team that stopped their rivals from perfection, and to perhaps save their own season.
To the Saints? It was Sunday.
We don't know yet what'll happen in the playoffs, but right now, the Saints and the Colts have gotten it done better than anyone else. Both those teams have pushed through a serious rash of injuries to keep winning.
The Falcons and the Redskins have pushed the Saints largely because #1: NO's top two (and last week, three) CBs were sidelined and #2: they and their fans were geeked up to try and knock off the current kings of the hill.
To the Falcons, today was a chance to at least grasp some validation for a disappointing season...to be the team that stopped their rivals from perfection, and to perhaps save their own season.
To the Saints? It was Sunday.
DerekZoolander
Footballguy
And LOL at the whining about "smug Payton". If anyone has the right to be angry at the fake FG call, its Saints fans -- it put the win in jeopardy.
The guy made the call to try and put the game away, without giving Atlanta a chance to win with a TD. Maybe he didn't trust the kicker, maybe he felt it was his best chance to get the W regardless.
It was a three point game, though, with two minutes left. It's not like Payton's running it up to show off.
The guy made the call to try and put the game away, without giving Atlanta a chance to win with a TD. Maybe he didn't trust the kicker, maybe he felt it was his best chance to get the W regardless.
It was a three point game, though, with two minutes left. It's not like Payton's running it up to show off.
DerekZoolander
Footballguy
Who needs to cry? The Skins have 4 wins. The Saints have 13, some by 3 like today. Some by almost 30. The Saints have a ton of guys on IR and have pushed through to keep the ship sailing. That's why you're going to find resistance when someone says "Payton was outcoached". He and Gregg Williams have done a fantastic job all season considering the circumstances.
Dragon1952
Footballguy
I think I was the only one who mentioned the fake, and I'm not angry. I'm a Saints fan and it was just a peanut gallery comment to the guy who said he didn't have a problem with any of Peyton's calls today. I've got no problem going for it there, as I mentioned. I just think you let Brees do it, why gimmick?
editor47
Footballguy
i don't understand the questioning of the fake fg.
A) up by 3, another 3 puts them up by 6. yes, it means the falcons need to score a TD. it also means the saints lose if the falcons score the TD. (barring the rare missed EP).
B) getting the first down chews up clock and keeps the ball in their hands.
i don't think it has anything to do with a lack of confidence on hartley. he drilled his FG attempts.
A) up by 3, another 3 puts them up by 6. yes, it means the falcons need to score a TD. it also means the saints lose if the falcons score the TD. (barring the rare missed EP).
B) getting the first down chews up clock and keeps the ball in their hands.
i don't think it has anything to do with a lack of confidence on hartley. he drilled his FG attempts.
harryhood
Footballguy
For as bad as the Eagles D played last night, I still think they are going to be able to run step for step with NO if they do ever play each other . I don't think there is a CB wearing Black and Gold that is gonna be able to stay with DeSean Jackson on that carpet.
Especially if NO cant get to McNabb on their blitzes.
Especially if NO cant get to McNabb on their blitzes.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
The 2007 Patriots were dominant in the first half of that season but not in the second half. In the latter half, they squeaked out a bunch of close games and got beaten up physically by Baltimore, Philly and NYG. In the playoffs they were not even close to the same team that they were early on, got lucky by not having to play the Colts, and got overwhelmed at the line of scrimmage in the Super Bowl.
There are some elements of that pattern in this year's Saints. I can certainly see the Vikings, Cardinals or Colts beating them in the playoffs.
There are some elements of that pattern in this year's Saints. I can certainly see the Vikings, Cardinals or Colts beating them in the playoffs.
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Pnishthm
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The Saints could certainly lose in the playoffs as they will no doubt be facing some pretty good teams. However when the Saints have faced a good team so far this season they have been dominant. I think this shows that when the Saints are really "up for a game" they are very difficult to hang with. I would sure feel much better if Greer gets back healthy.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Alright I will bite on the topic "Pip's Invitation" raises . The Saints have not been blowing teams out like they did early on in the season. In that regard I will agree they resemble the Patriots and how they slacked off in the later games of their undefeated season, however the casual fan who does not follow the Saints closely is not aware that with both corners out, the Saints defense is bend but don't break. The Saints don't have the man coverage necessary for Gregg Williams to bring the blitzes he wants to. You saw the result of such a risky blitz on the Jenkins catch for a TD. Such a lack of a secondary makes the defense more often than not sit back and let them have underneath stuff. The corners are playing much further off the Wr and it is allowing the opponent to move the chains against them. Also Will Smith and the rest of the D-line haven't just forgotten how to rush the passer. Quite the contrary, they are compensating for the secondary. The soft zone coverage the Saints has been playing the last 2 weeks is making them look very vulnerable. QB's are dinking and dunking all over the Saints and that always negates a good D-line. The fact of the matter is as short handed as the Saints defense has been and in spite of the in game struggles they have managed to close games in the 4th quarter for the victory. Keep in mind that the struggles without Greer, Porter and Fujita are temporary. Payton said on Sirus radio that Porter and Fujita will be back for the Cowboys game and Greer will be back for the playoffs. I will expect the Saints to return to form when these key defenders get healthy.
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Statorama
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valhallan
Footballguy
And they already beat Philly..But aside from that, where are the good defenses this year? Ravens? No. Steelers? No. Patriots? No. Eagles? No. There will be very few teams allowing under 300 points this year and none close to the standard 200 for a great defense. If the Saints can continue to create turnovers, that's all they need from the defense because the offense will continue to make plays.
CentralPA
Footballguy
The Saints are a horrible matchup for the Eagles, it showed earlier this year even if Donovan wasn't playing in the game. And the way they played defense against the Giants yesterday, don't expect them to win a shoot out if they meet again in the playoffs, the Saints would win that game easily.
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valhallan
Footballguy
Wow that was great. Who filmed it?
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
WWL I think
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
Any team with a tough DL will give the Saints problems. Redskins have already showed that. Vikey good Dline, and Colts. I was curious to see how Ware played against the Saints as well, but dont know if he will play.
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Doug B
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Greer is A LOT worse off than fans were initially led to believe. It's a good thing the Saints have a first-round bye ... that gives Greer a chance to return to action in mid-January.
valhallan
Footballguy
Agreed. Pressure really messes with Drew's game.. he can still make plays moving in the pocket and on the run, but he tends to rush his throws. Hopefully Payton will stick with the run game to keep defenses from pinning their ears back.
Doug B
Footballguy
4-man pressure, maybe.Pressure from blitzes, no way. Brees and Co. consistently kill blitzes.
valhallan
Footballguy
Yes, 4-man pressure.. the kind you would get from a good DL, like we were discussing. When Brees makes a mistake, it's usually from being flushed and throwing into coverage.
ATC1
Footballguy
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I came for an interesting discussion of whether the Saints might be overrated, I got a bunch of posts exchanging silly insults.
I've been enjoying the Saints' run, but I am in the emerging camp of people who think they may not be all they are cracked up to be. One, they've benefitted from a somewhat easy schedule. Their two big marquee wins (Patriots and Giants) were both home games over highly regarded teams that now appear to be not nearly as good as their reputation suggested at the time. They drew the Eagles without McNabb and the Falcons without Ryan. And so on. Two, although they haven't lost at all, there are a LOT of very close games on the schedule, especially recent games. They essentially lost to the Redskins but for a missed chippie, and you have to think the Falcons would have beaten them last weekend with even a moderately healthy offense.
Third and perhaps most importantly, they're the beneficiaries of a huge turnover margin. Stupid announcers like to talk about "ballhawks" and stuff like that, but the truth is that turnover margins are mostly luck and outliers tend to regress to the mean. Obviously there's some exceptions, like for example if Jay Cutler is your QB, but generally it's pretty much just the way the ball bounces.
That said, the Superdome appears to give them a HUGE home advantage. There's really only one impressive road win on their schedule- the win at Miami where the Dolphins choked away a huge lead. But they are a different team at home. Not having to go on the road in the playoffs may be the one thing that gets them to the Super Bowl.
I've been enjoying the Saints' run, but I am in the emerging camp of people who think they may not be all they are cracked up to be. One, they've benefitted from a somewhat easy schedule. Their two big marquee wins (Patriots and Giants) were both home games over highly regarded teams that now appear to be not nearly as good as their reputation suggested at the time. They drew the Eagles without McNabb and the Falcons without Ryan. And so on. Two, although they haven't lost at all, there are a LOT of very close games on the schedule, especially recent games. They essentially lost to the Redskins but for a missed chippie, and you have to think the Falcons would have beaten them last weekend with even a moderately healthy offense.
Third and perhaps most importantly, they're the beneficiaries of a huge turnover margin. Stupid announcers like to talk about "ballhawks" and stuff like that, but the truth is that turnover margins are mostly luck and outliers tend to regress to the mean. Obviously there's some exceptions, like for example if Jay Cutler is your QB, but generally it's pretty much just the way the ball bounces.
That said, the Superdome appears to give them a HUGE home advantage. There's really only one impressive road win on their schedule- the win at Miami where the Dolphins choked away a huge lead. But they are a different team at home. Not having to go on the road in the playoffs may be the one thing that gets them to the Super Bowl.
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ATC1
Footballguy
I'd like to argue with you, but I'm in total agreement. I will say that I think teams are really studying the tapes and taking advantage of the Saints on defense with Greg Williams tendencies with down and distance and defensive looks. Darren Sharper had a pretty bad game this week getting burnt twice by Jenkins. they were on blitzes that forced him to play man to man.I'd like to say that is Greer and Porter come back to full health that the Saints defense will be a lot better, but I am not so sure.
The positives I see are that when the Saints defense needs a big play or a stop, they seem to come through. Atlanta could not score last week when they got in the redzone, and Vilma came up big on that 4th down.
The problem the Saints have had lately are due to the injuries to Greer and Porter. Williams likes to get pressure, and the CBs were probably the best duo in the NFL early in the season. They are woefully exposed without those two, and will have a tough time stopping offenses until they return. If the Saints can get them healthy for the playoffs, it will be back to the dominant Saints weeks 1-6.As for turnovers, I used to agree with you, until the Bears kept taking the ball from the Saints in the '06 championship game. The Saints run a scheme that forces QBs to make quick decisions, and puts players in position to take the ball if he makes the wrong one. The obvious downside are the big plays when he makes the right one. With healthy CBs, they can continue to make plays without the gaping holes because Greer/Porter were excellent. Without them, you get games like against the Rams, Redskins and Falcons. However, the Superdome helps cover those weaknesses.
Lastly, can we please stop with the they havn't played anyone nonsense. They are 5-0. with an average score of 41-22 against teams over 500. They struggle against weaker teams, but have destroyed teams in "big" games.
I couldn't possibly agree with this less, and have no idea how anyone who watches Saints games could think that. The difference has been night and day since they went down.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I agree with this most of this post as well. Saints' DB health will be a huge factor. How cordial of us. Honestly I think the biggest game of the year thus far for the Saints was a game they didn't even participate in- the Vikings' Sunday night loss to the Cardinals. The Saints look like a totally different team at home, and I think they would have struggled on the road against a quality opponent, something that they haven't really dealt with yet. And playing the strongest wildcard survivor in the divisional round wouldn't have helped either. Getting one home win in January against a relatively weak wildcard team and then one home win over an elite team seems a much more reasonable task.I'd like to argue with you, but I'm in total agreement. I will say that I think teams are really studying the tapes and taking advantage of the Saints on defense with Greg Williams tendencies with down and distance and defensive looks. Darren Sharper had a pretty bad game this week getting burnt twice by Jenkins. they were on blitzes that forced him to play man to man.
I'd like to say that is Greer and Porter come back to full health that the Saints defense will be a lot better, but I am not so sure.
The positives I see are that when the Saints defense needs a big play or a stop, they seem to come through. Atlanta could not score last week when they got in the redzone, and Vilma came up big on that 4th down.
ETA: I know they had a one-game lead over the Vikes anyway, but the Vikes had the tiebreaker before that loss and seemed to be playing better. I would have put the Vikings chances at getting home field pretty darn high, maybe 40/60 or so, before that game, and at close to zero after it.
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ATC1
Footballguy
The difference being that teams can game plan for G. Williams better during the 2nd half of the year. Geer nor Porter would have sacked Redman on that Double corner blitz. That was a straight 1 v 1 against Sharper.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Agree with all of the above.I agree with this most of this post as well. Saints' DB health will be a huge factor. How cordial of us. Honestly I think the biggest game of the year thus far for the Saints was a game they didn't even participate in- the Vikings' Sunday night loss to the Cardinals. The Saints look like a totally different team at home, and I think they would have struggled on the road against a quality opponent, something that they haven't really dealt with yet. And playing the strongest wildcard survivor in the divisional round wouldn't have helped either. Getting one home win in January against a relatively weak wildcard team and then one home win over an elite team seems a much more reasonable task.I'd like to argue with you, but I'm in total agreement. I will say that I think teams are really studying the tapes and taking advantage of the Saints on defense with Greg Williams tendencies with down and distance and defensive looks. Darren Sharper had a pretty bad game this week getting burnt twice by Jenkins. they were on blitzes that forced him to play man to man.
I'd like to say that is Greer and Porter come back to full health that the Saints defense will be a lot better, but I am not so sure.
The positives I see are that when the Saints defense needs a big play or a stop, they seem to come through. Atlanta could not score last week when they got in the redzone, and Vilma came up big on that 4th down.
ETA: I know they had a one-game lead over the Vikes anyway, but the Vikes had the tiebreaker before that loss and seemed to be playing better. I would have put the Vikings chances at getting home field pretty darn high, maybe 40/60 or so, before that game, and at close to zero after it.
Regards to that one play, if you don't get pressure with a double corner blitz, you're screwed. That's not an offensive scheme, it's poor defensive execution or excellent offensive protection, however you want to look at it. As for the defense as a whole. Both Greer and Porter are very capable of covering any WR one-on-one, making the blitzes much more effective since the first read might not always be there, giving the blitz another second or two to get there, or forcing the QB to make tougher thorws. Big plays will still hapen, but not nearly at the rate of the past few weeks. It's easier to scheme against Gregg Williams without his excellent corners on the field.
ATC1
Footballguy
Exactly, teams are picking up how to attack his scheme. Williams had a great game plan against NE. Fans thought McAllister and Mckensie were the greatest pickups in the history of the NFL. Is Greer and Porter a huge factor? yes, but I don't think it's the full argument for the past two weeks as fans are describing in this thread. It seems to me that teams are still coming up with some timely runs that gashes our run defense allowing them to keep drives alive. Fans said that once C. Ellis returns that will stop and while it certainly is better with him in there. Teams are still running the ball better than teams have in the first 6 weeks on the season.
Doug B
Footballguy
Probably should make this a new thread (and still might), but I thought it would be interesting to look at stats from some great all-time teams to see how this years' Saints stack up. What stands out to me is how dependant upon turnovers elite teams seem to be. Turnovers seem to be what makes 12-4 teams into 15-1 teams.
I also like looking at things like late-season nailbiters and struggles against bad teams.
1972 Miami Dolphins (14-0)
Scored 385 points (27.5/g), 1st of 26 in the NFL.
Allowed 171 points (12.2/g), 1st.
Differential of 214 points (15.3/g), 1st.
Expected W-L: 12.2-1.8.
Takeaway/Giveaway Differential +18 (1.3/g), 2nd
@ Kansas City Chiefs 20-10
Houston Oilers 34-13
@ Minnesota Vikings 16-14
@ New York Jets 27-17
San Diego Chargers 24-10
Buffalo Bills 24-23
@ Baltimore Colts 23-0
@ Buffalo Bills 30-16
New England Patriots 52-0
New York Jets 28-24
St. Louis Cardinals 31-10
@ New England Patriots 37-21
@ New York Giants 23-13
Baltimore Colts 16-0
Cleveland Browns 20-14
@ Pittsburgh Steelers 21-17
N Washington Redskins 14-7
1984 San Francisco 49ers (15-1)
Scored 475 points (29.7/g), 2nd of 28 in the NFL.
Allowed 227 points (14.2/g), 1st.
Differential of 248 points (15.5/g), 1st.
Expected W-L: 13.6-2.4.
Takeaway/Giveaway Differential +16 (1.0/g), 3rd
@ Detroit Lions 30-27
Washington Redskins 37-31
New Orleans Saints 30-20
@ Philadelphia Eagles 21-9
Atlanta Falcons 14-5
@ New York Giants 31-10
Pittsburgh Steelers 17-20
@ Houston Oilers 34-21
@ Los Angeles Rams 33-0
Cincinnati Bengals 23-17
@ Cleveland Browns 41-7
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 24-17
@ New Orleans Saints 35-3
@ Atlanta Falcons 35-17
Minnesota Vikings 51-7
Los Angeles Rams 19-16
New York Giants 21-10
Chicago Bears 23-0
N Miami Dolphins 38-16
1985 Chicago Bears (15-1)
Scored 456 points (28.5/g), 2nd of 28 in the NFL.
Allowed 198 points (12.4/g), 1st.
Differential of 258 points (16.1/g), 1st.
Expected W-L: 14.1-1.9.
Takeaway/Giveaway Differential +23 (1.4/g), 1st
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 38-28
New England Patriots 20-7
@ Minnesota Vikings 33-24
Washington Redskins 45-10
@ Tampa Bay Buccaneers 27-19
@ San Francisco 49ers 26-10
Green Bay Packers 23-7
Minnesota Vikings 27-9
@ Green Bay Packers 16-10
Detroit Lions 24-3
@ Dallas Cowboys 44-0
Atlanta Falcons 36-0
@ Miami Dolphins 24-38
Indianapolis Colts 17-10
@ New York Jets 19-6
@ Detroit Lions 37-17
New York Giants 21-0
Los Angeles Rams 24-0
N New England Patriots 46-10
1998 Minnesota Vikings (15-1)
Scored 556 points (34.8/g), 1st of 30 in the NFL.
Allowed 296 points (18.5/g), 6th.
Differential of 260 points (16.2/g), 1st.
Expected W-L: 13.1-2.9.
Takeaway/Giveaway Differential +14 (0.9/g), 2nd
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 31-7
@ St. Louis Rams 38-31
Detroit Lions 29-6
@ Chicago Bears 31-28
@ Green Bay Packers 37-24
Washington Redskins 41-7
@ Detroit Lions 34-13
@ Tampa Bay Buccaneers 24-27
New Orleans Saints 31-24
Cincinnati Bengals 24-3
Green Bay Packers 28-14
@ Dallas Cowboys 46-36
Chicago Bears 48-22
@ Baltimore Ravens 38-28
Jacksonville Jaguars 50-10
@ Tennessee Oilers 26-16
Arizona Cardinals 41-21
Atlanta Falcons 27-30
2007 New England Patriots (16-0)
Scored 589 points (36.8/g), 1st of 32 in the NFL.
Allowed 274 points (17.1/g), 4th.
Differential of 315 points (19.7/g), 1st.
Expected W-L: 13.8-2.2.
Takeaway/Giveaway Differential +16 (1.0/g), 3rd
@ New York Jets 38-14
San Diego Chargers 38-14
Buffalo Bills 38-7
@ Cincinnati Bengals 34-13
Cleveland Browns 34-17
@ Dallas Cowboys 48-27
@ Miami Dolphins 49-28
Washington Redskins 52-7
@ Indianapolis Colts 24-20
@ Buffalo Bills 56-10
Philadelphia Eagles 31-28
@ Baltimore Ravens 27-24
Pittsburgh Steelers 34-13
New York Jets 20-10
Miami Dolphins 28-7
@ New York Giants 38-35
Jacksonville Jaguars 31-20
San Diego Chargers 21-12
N New York Giants 14-17
I also like looking at things like late-season nailbiters and struggles against bad teams.
1972 Miami Dolphins (14-0)
Scored 385 points (27.5/g), 1st of 26 in the NFL.
Allowed 171 points (12.2/g), 1st.
Differential of 214 points (15.3/g), 1st.
Expected W-L: 12.2-1.8.
Takeaway/Giveaway Differential +18 (1.3/g), 2nd
@ Kansas City Chiefs 20-10
Houston Oilers 34-13
@ Minnesota Vikings 16-14
@ New York Jets 27-17
San Diego Chargers 24-10
Buffalo Bills 24-23
@ Baltimore Colts 23-0
@ Buffalo Bills 30-16
New England Patriots 52-0
New York Jets 28-24
St. Louis Cardinals 31-10
@ New England Patriots 37-21
@ New York Giants 23-13
Baltimore Colts 16-0
Cleveland Browns 20-14
@ Pittsburgh Steelers 21-17
N Washington Redskins 14-7
1984 San Francisco 49ers (15-1)
Scored 475 points (29.7/g), 2nd of 28 in the NFL.
Allowed 227 points (14.2/g), 1st.
Differential of 248 points (15.5/g), 1st.
Expected W-L: 13.6-2.4.
Takeaway/Giveaway Differential +16 (1.0/g), 3rd
@ Detroit Lions 30-27
Washington Redskins 37-31
New Orleans Saints 30-20
@ Philadelphia Eagles 21-9
Atlanta Falcons 14-5
@ New York Giants 31-10
Pittsburgh Steelers 17-20
@ Houston Oilers 34-21
@ Los Angeles Rams 33-0
Cincinnati Bengals 23-17
@ Cleveland Browns 41-7
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 24-17
@ New Orleans Saints 35-3
@ Atlanta Falcons 35-17
Minnesota Vikings 51-7
Los Angeles Rams 19-16
New York Giants 21-10
Chicago Bears 23-0
N Miami Dolphins 38-16
1985 Chicago Bears (15-1)
Scored 456 points (28.5/g), 2nd of 28 in the NFL.
Allowed 198 points (12.4/g), 1st.
Differential of 258 points (16.1/g), 1st.
Expected W-L: 14.1-1.9.
Takeaway/Giveaway Differential +23 (1.4/g), 1st
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 38-28
New England Patriots 20-7
@ Minnesota Vikings 33-24
Washington Redskins 45-10
@ Tampa Bay Buccaneers 27-19
@ San Francisco 49ers 26-10
Green Bay Packers 23-7
Minnesota Vikings 27-9
@ Green Bay Packers 16-10
Detroit Lions 24-3
@ Dallas Cowboys 44-0
Atlanta Falcons 36-0
@ Miami Dolphins 24-38
Indianapolis Colts 17-10
@ New York Jets 19-6
@ Detroit Lions 37-17
New York Giants 21-0
Los Angeles Rams 24-0
N New England Patriots 46-10
1998 Minnesota Vikings (15-1)
Scored 556 points (34.8/g), 1st of 30 in the NFL.
Allowed 296 points (18.5/g), 6th.
Differential of 260 points (16.2/g), 1st.
Expected W-L: 13.1-2.9.
Takeaway/Giveaway Differential +14 (0.9/g), 2nd
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 31-7
@ St. Louis Rams 38-31
Detroit Lions 29-6
@ Chicago Bears 31-28
@ Green Bay Packers 37-24
Washington Redskins 41-7
@ Detroit Lions 34-13
@ Tampa Bay Buccaneers 24-27
New Orleans Saints 31-24
Cincinnati Bengals 24-3
Green Bay Packers 28-14
@ Dallas Cowboys 46-36
Chicago Bears 48-22
@ Baltimore Ravens 38-28
Jacksonville Jaguars 50-10
@ Tennessee Oilers 26-16
Arizona Cardinals 41-21
Atlanta Falcons 27-30
2007 New England Patriots (16-0)
Scored 589 points (36.8/g), 1st of 32 in the NFL.
Allowed 274 points (17.1/g), 4th.
Differential of 315 points (19.7/g), 1st.
Expected W-L: 13.8-2.2.
Takeaway/Giveaway Differential +16 (1.0/g), 3rd
@ New York Jets 38-14
San Diego Chargers 38-14
Buffalo Bills 38-7
@ Cincinnati Bengals 34-13
Cleveland Browns 34-17
@ Dallas Cowboys 48-27
@ Miami Dolphins 49-28
Washington Redskins 52-7
@ Indianapolis Colts 24-20
@ Buffalo Bills 56-10
Philadelphia Eagles 31-28
@ Baltimore Ravens 27-24
Pittsburgh Steelers 34-13
New York Jets 20-10
Miami Dolphins 28-7
@ New York Giants 38-35
Jacksonville Jaguars 31-20
San Diego Chargers 21-12
N New York Giants 14-17
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Footballguy
If I remember correctly, the analysis on this showed that fumble recoveries are mostly luck but interceptions aren't.
Doug B
Footballguy
The 2009 Saints' being 18th in points allowed sticks out like a sore thumb. Points differential ranking (still #1 in the NFL) is still in line with all-time teams, though.
2009 New Orleans Saints (13-0)
Scored 466 points (35.8/g), 1st of 32 in the NFL.
Allowed 274 points (21.1/g), 18th.
Differential of 192 points (14.8/g), 1st.
Expected W-L: 10.1-2.9.
Takeaway/Giveaway Differential +16 (1.2/g), 2nd
Detroit Lions 45-27
@ Philadelphia Eagles 48-22
@ Buffalo Bills 27-7
New York Jets 24-10
New York Giants 48-27
@ Miami Dolphins 46-34
Atlanta Falcons 35-27
Carolina Panthers 30-20
@ St. Louis Rams 28-23
@ Tampa Bay Buccaneers 38-7
New England Patriots 38-17
@ Washington Redskins 33-30
@ Atlanta Falcons 26-23
2009 New Orleans Saints (13-0)
Scored 466 points (35.8/g), 1st of 32 in the NFL.
Allowed 274 points (21.1/g), 18th.
Differential of 192 points (14.8/g), 1st.
Expected W-L: 10.1-2.9.
Takeaway/Giveaway Differential +16 (1.2/g), 2nd
Detroit Lions 45-27
@ Philadelphia Eagles 48-22
@ Buffalo Bills 27-7
New York Jets 24-10
New York Giants 48-27
@ Miami Dolphins 46-34
Atlanta Falcons 35-27
Carolina Panthers 30-20
@ St. Louis Rams 28-23
@ Tampa Bay Buccaneers 38-7
New England Patriots 38-17
@ Washington Redskins 33-30
@ Atlanta Falcons 26-23
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