Gopher State
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If you look at how their D has been playing your are correct Sir #4
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Saints will not win the NFC Championship (1 Viewer)
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JGalligan
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You guys remember a little phrase along the lines of "Any Given Sunday?" Well, it was "Any Given Saturday" tonight, but just because the Saints lost on an off-day doesn't mean they're any less potent or dangerous. I don't get how anyone could think otherwise.
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Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
True, but they definitely did not look good.BTW - good to see you on the board dude!
JGalligan
Footballguy
Thanks bro, you too!Everyone needs to write this down in crayon: This loss very well could turn out being the very best thing that happens to the Saints all year in regards to their quest for a Super Bowl Championship.
certificate
Footballguy
Hmm, I was thinking that it very well could be the beginning of a tailspin culminating in a early playoff exit. The O line got manhandled, running game wasn't there, secondary looked awful at times. I spent most of the game cringing watching Brees barely get the ball away before getting molested by a d-lineman.It was like watching the Pats vs. Giants Superbowl.But, it could go either way, I guess.JGalligan said:
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PahtyTom
Footballguy
I actually think Indy is more vulnerable than New Orleans. Indy will be tested big time next week by the Jets. Take away Wayne and Clark and make everyone else beat you. The Jets defend #1 WRs and tight ends as good as anyone and have a power running game that will really give Indy problems. It might serve as a blueprint on how to beat the Colts in the playoffs. Now the good thing for Indy is that the Jets are most likely not making the playoffs. But, a team like the Bengals could pose the same kind of problems for Indy and could very well face the Colts in the playoffs. From the NFC, the only teams that could really give Indy trouble in a super bowl are GB and a healthy NO. Minnesota could beat them as well, but it would take some big plays by Jared Allen and the special teams since Peyton would probably tear that secondary apart if given time. All my opinion of course.
As for New Orleans...they got beat tonight. Ware and Spencer played great. The Saints played poorly and still had a chance at the end. If these two teams meet again, I think New Orleans wins fairly easily if they are healthy.
As for New Orleans...they got beat tonight. Ware and Spencer played great. The Saints played poorly and still had a chance at the end. If these two teams meet again, I think New Orleans wins fairly easily if they are healthy.
switz
Footballguy
You do realize teams have tried this before, right? Last time I checked the Colts were still undefeated.
gianmarco
Footballguy
except for the "fairly easily". Unless they get much healthier and start putting up points up earlier in instead of digging themselves these holes early on, NOTHING is going to be easy except for a playoff exit.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
If Dallas plays the Saints again, then that means they are on a roll. I would take whatever points Vegas gives and make a very large wager on Dallas with high confidence. I don't think the Saints have answers to several things Dallas was doing and they're lucky the game was close. Dallas on a roll wil be doing those things better, and it will only be close if Brees is much better (which he can be). This is a really bad matchup for the Saints.
Of course, the Saints will be there. Dallas? They could lose two division games to close the season and last night was the highlight of their year.
Of course, the Saints will be there. Dallas? They could lose two division games to close the season and last night was the highlight of their year.
Doug B
Footballguy
Cards beat the Vikings, and the Packers lost to the Buccaneers. And maybe the Cowboys should be #4, since they beat the Saints?
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
Your at then end of the year, everyone has injuries. Colts are just as beat up as the Saints.JGalligan said:x 100Saints need to get healthy, anyway. The quest for 16-0 was getting close to interfering with the quest for a title. Kudos to Payton for sitting Sedrick Ellis out and shutting down Reggie Bush early.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Can we finally stop with this nonsense?Vikings struggling against a poor 5-8 Carolina team with Matt Moore at QB.Green Bay lost to a reeling Pittsburgh team that has looked awful for the last 4 weeksCards squeak out a win against the 2-12 Lions.EVERY team has had poor games and EVERY team has weaknesses. It's nice to tear down the top team and find faults but let's not pretend that just because they aren't invincible (which they aren't), that other teams are or will handle them without a problem.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
I for one wanted the Saints to lose a game before the playoffs. Every team needs to experience growing pains. After last night's loss I expect this team to be pissed off. They will role over teams in the playoffs as long as Ellis, Porter, and Greer get back. With the way the Vikes and Cards are playing, I fear no team going into the postseason, including the Colts. The AFC is weak this year IMO.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
I don't think so. NO is still the best in the NFC, and their record backs that claim up.
certificate
Footballguy
The Saints are winless in their last 1 games
JGalligan
Footballguy
Not with their defense they aren't. Not even close.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Last time I checked they won the other 13 games they played, and they have the 2nd best record in the league.The Saints are winless in their last 1 games
Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
Last time I checked what you did 2 months ago does not make you better NOW. Saints will get bounced their 1st playoff game. I really do not see them better right now than Dal, Phi, GB, and it's close with the Cards and Vikes.Last time I checked they won the other 13 games they played, and they have the 2nd best record in the league.The Saints are winless in their last 1 games
Gadabout
Footballguy
Last time I checked what you did 2 months ago does not make you better NOW. Saints will get bounced their 1st playoff game. I really do not see them better right now than Dal, Phi, GB, and it's close with the Cards and Vikes.Last time I checked they won the other 13 games they played, and they have the 2nd best record in the league.The Saints are winless in their last 1 games
And yes, I'm laughing at you.DerekZoolander
Footballguy
Gimpy Saints team gets bounced. Healthy Saints team rolls. Saints have bout a month to get healthy, with no season enders among the limping. You're right in a sense...its what you do a month from NOW that counts.Last time I checked what you did 2 months ago does not make you better NOW. Saints will get bounced their 1st playoff game. I really do not see them better right now than Dal, Phi, GB, and it's close with the Cards and Vikes.Last time I checked they won the other 13 games they played, and they have the 2nd best record in the league.The Saints are winless in their last 1 games
DerekZoolander
Footballguy
But getting impact guys back from said injuries would improve the team's performance substantially, in theory. The Colts probably don't struggle against teams like J-ville and Houston if completely healthy either.Everyone has injuries, but the Saints (and yes, the Colts) have a rash of them concentrated on one area -- the secondary. NO is kind of stuck at the moment -- if they bring up people to defend the run with Ellis out, then it exposes their fourth and fifth cbs (who are playing at 2 and 3 respectively). If they hang back, they get gashed by the run. They need to get healthier in at least one area so that they can at least attempt to cover the other.ChrisCooleyFan said:Your at then end of the year, everyone has injuries. Colts are just as beat up as the Saints.
drfeelgood
Footballguy
Carolina has had a lot of injuries this year, but they still have a lot of talent on that team, and Matt Moore is a step up from Delhomme.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Yes...right now they are still better than several of those teams.I think they are still better overall than Dallas. They were not Saturday no doubt.But if Big Ben just torched GB...what do you think Brees would do?And Im obviously a Packer fan.Im not the knee jerk type to think the Packers D now sucks and everyone will kill them. But they need to tweak something if they think they can beat a team like the Saints.
Yenrub
Footballguy
Is it true that the Saints are giving up more yards this year than they were last year?
Doug B
Footballguy
On a per-game basis ... yes:2008: 5432 total yds / 16 games = 339.5 ypg
2009: 4958 total yds / 14 games = 354.1 ypg
Doug B
Footballguy
2009 Saints defense stats. First chart is per-game, second shows a running average (average stats of all games played to that point):
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Wk. . . Opponent. . . . . . . . . FD . . Tot Yds . . Pass Yds. . Rush Yds . TO--- ---------------------------- ---- ------------ ------------ --------- -----.1 . . .Detroit Lions . . . . . . 14 . . 231 . . . . 198 . . . . 33 . . . . 3.2 . . @ Philadelphia Eagles . . .23 . . 463 . . . . 384 . . . . 79 . . . . 4.3 . . @ Buffalo Bills . . . . . .13 . . 243 . . . . 154 . . . . 89 . . . . 2.4 . . .New York Jets . . . . . . 14 . . 244 . . . . 112 . . . . 132 . . . .4.6 . . .New York Giants . . . . . 17 . . 325 . . . . 241 . . . . 84 . . . . 2.7 . . @ Miami Dolphins . . . . . 17 . . 334 . . . . 197 . . . . 137 . . . .3.8 . . .Atlanta Falcons . . . . . 21 . . 442 . . . . 281 . . . . 161 . . . .3.9 . . .Carolina Panthers . . . . 21 . . 371 . . . . 189 . . . . 182 . . . .310 . . @ St. Louis Rams . . . . . 23 . . 434 . . . . 293 . . . . 141 . . . .111 . . @ Tampa Bay Buccaneers . . 14 . . 219 . . . . 100 . . . . 119 . . . .412 . . .New England Patriots . . .23 . . 366 . . . . 244 . . . . 122 . . . .313 . . @ Washington Redskins . . .28 . . 455 . . . . 367 . . . . 88 . . . . 414 . . @ Atlanta Falcons . . . . .19 . . 392 . . . . 303 . . . . 89 . . . . 115 . . .Dallas Cowboys . . . . . .24 . . 439 . . . . 294 . . . . 145 . . . .0Wk. . . Opponent. . . . . . . AVG Tot Yds. . .AVG Pass Yds. . AVG Rush Yds--- ------------------------- ------------- ---------------- --------------.1 . . .Detroit Lions . . . . 231.0 . . . . . 198.0 . . . . . .33.0.2 . . @ Philadelphia Eagles .347.0 . . . . . 291.0 . . . . . .56.0.3 . . @ Buffalo Bills . . . .312.3 . . . . . 245.3 . . . . . .67.0.4 . . .New York Jets . . . . 295.3 . . . . . 212.0 . . . . . .83.3.6 . . .New York Giants . . . 301.2 . . . . . 217.8 . . . . . .83.4.7 . . @ Miami Dolphins . . . 306.7 . . . . . 214.3 . . . . . .92.3.8 . . .Atlanta Falcons . . . 326.0 . . . . . 223.9 . . . . . 102.1.9 . . .Carolina Panthers . . 331.6 . . . . . 219.5 . . . . . 112.110 . . @ St. Louis Rams . . . 343.0 . . . . . 227.7 . . . . . 115.311 . . @ Tampa Bay Buccaneers 330.6 . . . . . 214.9 . . . . . 115.712 . . .New England Patriots .333.8 . . . . . 217.5 . . . . . 116.313 . . @ Washington Redskins .343.9 . . . . . 230.0 . . . . . 113.914 . . @ Atlanta Falcons . . .347.6 . . . . . 235.6 . . . . . 112.015 . . .Dallas Cowboys . . . .354.1 . . . . . 239.8 . . . . . 114.4
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SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Hmmmm......tell me again who all those teams beat this past week.Billy Ball Thorton said:Last time I checked what you did 2 months ago does not make you better NOW. Saints will get bounced their 1st playoff game. I really do not see them better right now than Dal, Phi, GB, and it's close with the Cards and Vikes.SproutDaddy said:Last time I checked they won the other 13 games they played, and they have the 2nd best record in the league.certificate said:The Saints are winless in their last 1 gamesSproutDaddy said:
simey
Footballguy
Do you think the Saints have been playing well over the last few games?
unckeyherb
Footballguy
hmm. Not sure I agree 100%, even though I am a Bird's Fan. I will say this though, the Eagles have a track record of getting very hot at the right time, and this year it seems like the same story. The offense seems to be more balanced, using Vick more efficiently, etc. The defense is doing what it used to, putting pressure on the QB and allowing their guys make plays. I'd like a little less of the arm tackling BS, but all in all it seems like this team is firing on all cylinders. From the outside looking in, (and I will qualify this as a fan-biased statement) if I were any other NFC team, I'd be praying I don't get the Eagles in the postseason. I guess we will see...
It's not complicated. The Saints are really hurt by injuries, and teams have figured out how to attack the watered down Saints D. With this version of D, they are a very beatable football team. Healthy, I think they're still the best team in football. They'll wrap up home field if they beat TB, so they'll have three weeks to get the gimps healthy. With Ellis, Greer and Porter healthy, this team will go to the Super Bowl.
So enjoy watching the Saints struggle now, because they won't in the playoffs.
So enjoy watching the Saints struggle now, because they won't in the playoffs.
simey
Footballguy
All teams have injuries right now. I don't think it's just their D that has had problems lately. Their offense has been starting out slow recently.
ATC1
Footballguy
Yup, Saints are getting pounded in the 1st qtr since the Miami game, and they need to come back from behind to win. It takes the running game out of the picture, and teams know they just need to apply a decent pass rush now and not worry about the run if when they get up on the Saints. Why Saints are so successful is that they are completely dominant in the 4th qtr. This needs to change if the saints plan on winning the division this year. Hopefully losing helped the team realize this.Maybe this loss and the Vikings loss will allow us to rest the guys who really need to. However, I think it is imperitive that the Saints come out guns blazing in the 1st half the next two weeks.
Doug B
Footballguy
This is being totally overlooked. A lot of Saints' fans are taking 35-points-per-game for granted.And the Cowboys game was the first time all year I saw the O-Line get slaughtered like that in pass protection. I am wondering what's up.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Agreed. The defense is built to be aggressive and take advantage of teams that are trying to come back and creating turnovers as a result. Different story when teams actually have a lead (and a substantial one) and can just run, run, run and take time off the clock. The offense is what's hurting the defense here.
kaa
Footballguy
Too many regular season favorites have been failing to win super bowls lately.
2008: That was supposed to be Giants-Titans. Giants were rolling everyone but then cooled off late in the year. Titans didn't even win a playoff game. Steelers were liked by some but hell they got beat by both the Titans and Giants in the regular season and had to face neither one en route to the title.
2007: Patriots were supposedly unstoppable. Then they get beat by a 6 seed?
2006: This was supposed to be the year the Chargers were finally crowned. Didn't even win a playoff game. The champion was arguably one of the unremarkable Colts teams of the Peyton era.
2005: This was the year the Colts demolished everyone in the regular season, then rested their starters at the end of the season. Didn't even win a playoff game. Absolutely no-one figured on the Steelers winning the super bowl from the 6 seed.
This is why its rather silly to hear people make bold proclamations about how the Colts and/or Saints are going to win it all. In the past 4 years, we've seen 4 of these supposed "teams of destiny" go one and done in the playoffs.
2008: That was supposed to be Giants-Titans. Giants were rolling everyone but then cooled off late in the year. Titans didn't even win a playoff game. Steelers were liked by some but hell they got beat by both the Titans and Giants in the regular season and had to face neither one en route to the title.
2007: Patriots were supposedly unstoppable. Then they get beat by a 6 seed?
2006: This was supposed to be the year the Chargers were finally crowned. Didn't even win a playoff game. The champion was arguably one of the unremarkable Colts teams of the Peyton era.
2005: This was the year the Colts demolished everyone in the regular season, then rested their starters at the end of the season. Didn't even win a playoff game. Absolutely no-one figured on the Steelers winning the super bowl from the 6 seed.
This is why its rather silly to hear people make bold proclamations about how the Colts and/or Saints are going to win it all. In the past 4 years, we've seen 4 of these supposed "teams of destiny" go one and done in the playoffs.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
I wouldn't take anything away from the Philly game. It was Kolb's first NFL start. And the offense and special teams really put the Eagles defense in some bad situations in the second half. -Hobbs fumbled the opening kickoff in the second half and gave the Saints the ball on the 22 yard line.-Next possession Kolb threw an interception and gave the Saints the ball on the 24 yard line.-Then another Kolb interception was returned for a TD.
Gopher State
Footballguy
No way the Saints go far in the playoffs, the Cowboys made the blue print to beat da saints
gianmarco
Footballguy
So who's gonna go far?Carolina made a blueprint how to beat the Vikings.Pittsburgh made a blueprint how to beat Green Bay.San Diego, Dallas, and Oakland made a blue print to beat Philly.SF made a blueprint how to beat Arizona.San Diego, NYG, and Green Bay made a blueprint how to beat Dallas.Every team has a "blueprint" made of how to beat them. Executing that blueprint is another story. If the Saints get healthy, which they should, and their offense doesn't continue to sputter in the 1st qtr, the blueprint to beat them will be the hardest to execute. You make it sound like it's an easy thing to do. 13 out of 14 times this year that wasn't the case.very
Yes, all teams have injuries(except the Cowboys), but not all teams are 13-1. The offense has slowed down, but scoring in the low 30s is still OK.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I love the "blue print" talk.I guess every team out there has a blue print on every other team except the Colts right now.very
Manster
Footballguy
NFL football is all about momentum going into the playoffs. if i were a Saints fan i'd be a bit concerned about being dominated by the Cowboys at home.if the Saints offense sputters in a game, their D is not good enough to keep up with a good offense.
The thing that gives me a lot of hope, is that the Saints were absolutely dominated for 3 quarters, but still had a good chance to take the game to OT(thanks to luck, but still). Payton and Williams have made great adjustments this year(see 2nd half scoring differential/comebacks), the Cowboys won't bring back the same gameplan and get the same results.
DerekZoolander
Footballguy
Being dominated at home is a concern, but to their credit the Saints did adjust late. Its not like the Steelers or Colts in recent years looked unbeatable entering the playoffs.
I think the Saints at present are pretty vulnerable -- they aren't far and away the league's best team or anything -- but if they can get healthier they're going to be really, really tough to beat in New Orleans.
I think the Saints at present are pretty vulnerable -- they aren't far and away the league's best team or anything -- but if they can get healthier they're going to be really, really tough to beat in New Orleans.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
You Know all the Teams in the NFL have had bad games this year. Even Indy who is the only team left without defeat has looked vulnerable. The Vikings who were supposedly the Saints biggest threat looked pretty weak against the Panthers who are not even playoff caliber. get my point? The Saints had some key injuries on both sides of the ball and the Cowboys backs were against the wall. The Saints needed a win but it was not do or die. I hope the Cowgirls get to face the Saints against in the playoffs but something tells me it will be the Eagles and Saints for the NFC Championship.
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Manster
Footballguy
look, im not saying the Saints arent a good team. you dont get to 13-1 by not being good. BUT, they lost to the Cowboys last week and have had some narrow escapes.all im sayin is, it's about momentum goin into th playoffs.
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Breesisdaman
Footballguy
For the Saints it is about health, they have plenty of momentum. Do you not think Shockey and Bush being out didnt affect the Saints? Or the secondary being depleted or the starting DT Seddrick Ellis being out didnt affect the run defense? Cowboys just caught them at the right time IMO. Saints fans know what is going on and the Saints will return to early season form when all the horses are on the field.
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