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** San Diego SUPER Chargers Official In season Thread *** (1 Viewer)

bicycle_seat_sniffer

Smells like chicken
Ok time to put the offseason thread to bed.

Minus LT, Minus Vjax, Minus Merriman, Minus McNeil going to arrowhead for the Monday Night Capper

Worried?

Interested to see how well Mathews does

 
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Ok time to put the offseason thread to bed.Minus LT, Minus Vjax, Minus Merriman, Minus McNeil going to arrowhead for the Monday Night CapperWorried?Interested to see how well Mathews does
I'm not worried about missing LT, VJ or McNeill.I'm worried that the Chargers won't be able to generate a pass-rush without blitzing ILBs or DBs.It sure would be nice to have the roided-up version of Merriman out there, or to see Larry English develop into a premier pass-rusher.I think the run defense will be a lot better this year with the addition of Cam Thomas and the improvement of Vaughn Martin. They'll rotate enough guys in to keep everyone fresh on the DL.
 
I'm slightly nervous. We always start slow. Add in the fact it's a divisional game, on the road, and prime-time?

I predict....Chargers 24 Chiefs 20

 
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Is the Chiefs' defense any good? I haven't heard anything to that affect, in which case this game shouldn't be a major problem for the Chargers. I'll be interested to see how the receivers are used in real action, and also if Tolbert will get some meaningful touches. I imagine KC will spend some time testing Cason. Could be a good game to start Chambers in FF (for those not so strong at receiver).

 
McNeil is the only one really needed, but they'll do fine for a couple games without him.

I don't think Bolts lose to KC.

 
I think the guy to watch on the Cheifs in McCluster, got a feeling he is going to be used heavliy and will be matched up on strickland or weddle or some other lousy DB the chargers have

Shoutout coming.

 
you're going to get beat on the national stage by the lowly chiefs in new arrowhead, enjoy the game
new arrowhead?
Instead of building new state of the art stadiums downtown, they slapped some new bells and whistles (including a massive HDTV in centerfield at Kaufman Stadium) on the 2 existing stadiums.They reconfigured the seating and changed the concourses at Arrowhead...hence the "New" Arrowhead!
 
:yes:Earlier today, Cowherd picked the Chiefs to win in his upset special. :excited:
Not a bad pick for an upset, home opener in front of some of the best fans in the league. I'm glad the game in KC isn't in December though.Groovus, MT and bicycle all make great points that compliment one another. I'm not sure they can cover both Chambers and/or McCluster and if they can't generate a pass rush this could be one of the few higher scoring games this week.To the original post I think they miss...- LT not at all, but I wish him well in NY in a better suited complimentary role- VJax absolutely, especially if they can't contain the KC WR's and it becomes high scoring but that's more a condemnation of the SD DB/pass-rush than the SD receiving corp- Merriman not nearly as much as non-SD fans think. Until further notice he's an ok LB, nothing more. I'd rather see English sink or swim at this point.- McNeil, again not nearly as much as non-SD fans think. More 2-TE sets/Mathews/Dombrowski should make opponents respect the run game a great deal more than last year. I've always been a fan of Hali but leaving in a 2nd TE to help Dombrowski should suffice imo. KC was nearly last in sacks last season. I actually think the team will miss Manu more than most people think. He would have been a nice fit in the renewed dedication to the run game that really needs to be a success to keep the defense off the field.
 
Instead of building new state of the art stadiums downtown, they slapped some new bells and whistles (including a massive HDTV in centerfield at Kaufman Stadium) on the 2 existing stadiums.
I like KC fans more and more all the time. I dunno why but it's pretty easy to dislike oak/den..... but hard to dislike the Chiefs.
 
KC seems to pull off a big upset every year at home so I'm nervous whenever the Bolts play them at Arrowhead. The Chargers are still a much better team on paper and the only thing that worries me is McCluster.

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Ok time to put the offseason thread to bed.

Minus LT, Minus Vjax, Minus Merriman, Minus McNeil going to arrowhead for the Monday Night Capper

Worried?

Interested to see how well Mathews does
I'm not worried about missing LT, VJ or McNeill.I'm worried that the Chargers won't be able to generate a pass-rush without blitzing ILBs or DBs.

It sure would be nice to have the roided-up version of Merriman out there, or to see Larry English develop into a premier pass-rusher.

I think the run defense will be a lot better this year with the addition of Cam Thomas and the improvement of Vaughn Martin. They'll rotate enough guys in to keep everyone fresh on the DL.
:popcorn: This is my worry as well. In the absence of that, please TACKLE somebody. Let's get it on! I'm looking forward to it!
 
My plan is to get as drunk as humanly possible on Monday night..that way if it's an upset, and KC wins, I will be passing out shortly thereafter.

 
Here's basically an assistant coach forum question, but I think it merits some discussion here:

If you had Floyd and Naanee on your FF squad and needed to start one, and only one of the two, which would you start?

I know the conventional wisdom is Floyd, but my gut is telling me Naanee will probably do better.

 
If you had Floyd and Naanee on your FF squad and needed to start one, and only one of the two, which would you start?
Floyd. I like both of those guys (and it will be interesting to see if Naanee [and Davis] can hold off Crayton), but Floyd is the class of the bunch right now.
 
So how much do you think the Charges missed McNeil last night?

Although he was a bit of a let down from a fantasy perspective, and the fumble was unfortunate, I loved what I saw from Mathews. He runs very tough and fights for yards. I know he made a mistake on that play action, but I really thought Norv should have had him in there on that last series. He got positive yardage all night -- why not run him on first or second down? Oh well. I really think he has a big future.

It could have been the wet field, but Sproles looked visibly slower to me on his returns and out of the backfield. I was very unimpressed with him. Anyone else notice this?

 
So how much do you think the Charges missed McNeil last night? Although he was a bit of a let down from a fantasy perspective, and the fumble was unfortunate, I loved what I saw from Mathews. He runs very tough and fights for yards. I know he made a mistake on that play action, but I really thought Norv should have had him in there on that last series. He got positive yardage all night -- why not run him on first or second down? Oh well. I really think he has a big future.It could have been the wet field, but Sproles looked visibly slower to me on his returns and out of the backfield. I was very unimpressed with him. Anyone else notice this?
I agree on Sproles. Unimpressive. But so was Floyd. I expect better things from both of them.
 
Just like the Jets playoff game this game was defined by a couple big mistakes

1 - special teams gaff

2 - Mathews fumble

3 - Long run by JC

Besides that KC didnt do much and the Bolts seemed to slip alot more than KC, maybe they didnt have the right cleats on?

No pass rush, and a weak Rush D seems to be the order for that Defense.

 
KC fan chiming in....

I had that sick feeling all the way through the late 3rd and entire 4th that Rivers was going to pull this one out again......I've seen this movie....SD is obviously the better team....(I did kind of get tired of the announcers being all on Rivers nut sack though) outside of JC's run, the KC offense did nothing....lucky to capitalize on the turnover.....I thought SD defense played pretty good for the most part, especially on third down.....the difference in this game was clearly special teams.......huge advantage to KC there......Colquitt was probably our most valuable player last night......I thought he punted very well in those conditions and whoever the long snapper is, he should be given a game ball as well.....great punting and punt coverage by KC was the difference in this game.....SD got good field position a couple of times, but the punt coverage allowed enough room for the KC defense to bend, but not break.....had this game gone OT I think SD wins......McCluster and Arenas are going to be fun to watch in open field....teams are going to have to gameplan how not to kick to those guys......I thought the Weiss gameplan was boring/vanilla....I know the conditions weren't the best, but it was very predictable.....SD is going to be okay, they just got beat by some big plays in tough conditions and a hostile environment....the crowd affected them a little, but honestly, this was a lucky win for KC as they didn't do much outside of special teams and a little improvement on defense to win that game.......

 
KC fan chiming in....I had that sick feeling all the way through the late 3rd and entire 4th that Rivers was going to pull this one out again......I've seen this movie....SD is obviously the better team....(I did kind of get tired of the announcers being all on Rivers nut sack though) outside of JC's run, the KC offense did nothing....lucky to capitalize on the turnover.....I thought SD defense played pretty good for the most part, especially on third down.....the difference in this game was clearly special teams.......huge advantage to KC there......Colquitt was probably our most valuable player last night......I thought he punted very well in those conditions and whoever the long snapper is, he should be given a game ball as well.....great punting and punt coverage by KC was the difference in this game.....SD got good field position a couple of times, but the punt coverage allowed enough room for the KC defense to bend, but not break.....had this game gone OT I think SD wins......McCluster and Arenas are going to be fun to watch in open field....teams are going to have to gameplan how not to kick to those guys......I thought the Weiss gameplan was boring/vanilla....I know the conditions weren't the best, but it was very predictable.....SD is going to be okay, they just got beat by some big plays in tough conditions and a hostile environment....the crowd affected them a little, but honestly, this was a lucky win for KC as they didn't do much outside of special teams and a little improvement on defense to win that game.......
I appreciate your chime in efforts.
 
KC seems to pull off a big upset every year at home so I'm nervous whenever the Bolts play them at Arrowhead. The Chargers are still a much better team on paper and the only thing that worries me is McCluster.
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Excellent post StinkinRef. I agree completely - very refreshing to hear such an honest post from a homer. :thumbup:

From a Charger perspective, I was:

- Very impressed with the defense overall. Cromartie wasn't missed at all.

- Impressed with Rivers as always. If his receivers hold their feet and avoid a couple drops, the Bolts likely win and Rivers is over 300 with 3 TDs in a rainstorm.

- Special teams were AWFUL, on both sides of the ball. Coverage obviously, but blocking on returns was invisible, and Sproles' fair catches were weak. Kassim was missed.

- Buster Davis and Floyd have to do a better job of keeping their feet under them when making cuts. Those two slips on the final set of downs can't happen. Part of playing in the elements in knowing how shifty you can be in your cuts while keeping your feet. Both failed miserably, and probably cost the Bolts the game.

- Mathews looked good overall, I think his poor APC was more of a result of poor OL play than his vision and running. He'll be better each week. As others mentioned, Sproles looked terrible. One of his worst games as a Bolt, IMO.

- Naanee is exactly what I thought he was, a heady receiver with excellent hands and a knack for getting open. Reminds me so much of a young Hines Ward. That being said, San Diego is missing a take-it-to-the-house WR. Floyd's a Plaxico Burress type guy with no wiggle, and Naanee's not elusive. Perhaps Crayton and Davis can be the speedster from the slot and break a couple of long ones throughout the year.

- Tough to judge the secondary since KC's passing offense is so terrible. Weddle looked awful on the Charles TD, but otherwise I liked what I saw. Cason is fine.

 
So how much do you think the Charges missed McNeil last night?
If they missed McNeill, it was only indirectly. Dombrowski played a great game. He was the Chargers' best offensive lineman last night. (Hardwick and Dielman really struggled, although some of that is because Ron Edwards has become an outstanding DT. Vasquez played OK. Clary was inconsistent.)If McNeill were signed, I don't think it would have been an upgrade at left tackle last night. It could have been an upgrade at right tackle, though, if the Chargers slid Dombrowski over there in place of Clary.
Although he was a bit of a let down from a fantasy perspective, and the fumble was unfortunate, I loved what I saw from Mathews. He runs very tough and fights for yards. I know he made a mistake on that play action, but I really thought Norv should have had him in there on that last series. He got positive yardage all night -- why not run him on first or second down? Oh well. I really think he has a big future.
I love Mathews' power, balance, and effort. I thought he missed some running lanes last night (marginally better than the ones he chose), but it's not always easy to tell from the TV broadcast angles.
It could have been the wet field, but Sproles looked visibly slower to me on his returns and out of the backfield. I was very unimpressed with him. Anyone else notice this?
Sproles had a very lackluster night, both as a returner and as a running back. Where was the acceleration? Maybe it was just the poor footing on the field, but McCluster, Arenas, and Charles sure seemed fine with it.
 
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- Naanee is exactly what I thought he was, a heady receiver with excellent hands and a knack for getting open. Reminds me so much of a young Hines Ward. That being said, San Diego is missing a take-it-to-the-house WR. Floyd's a Plaxico Burress type guy with no wiggle, and Naanee's not elusive. Perhaps Crayton and Davis can be the speedster from the slot and break a couple of long ones throughout the year.
Just want to make sure I have this right, Naanee reminds you of Hines Ward?oof

 
tommyGunZ said:
- Very impressed with the defense overall. Cromartie wasn't missed at all.
If you had to find a silver lining, and you have to dig pretty deep from a game that could have given you a 1-game lead on the entire division, I would say it was the play of the defense and in particular the DB's.
 
Ok time to put the offseason thread to bed.
We need 31 more of these for each team :IBTL: Good idea. I bumped the Crayton thread but does anyone out there in SD or any Detroit Chargers that want to chime in know if Crayton might slide up the depth charts...maybe get some targets in the next few weeks? Did he even play against KC?
 
Ok time to put the offseason thread to bed.
We need 31 more of these for each team :confused: Good idea. I bumped the Crayton thread but does anyone out there in SD or any Detroit Chargers that want to chime in know if Crayton might slide up the depth charts...maybe get some targets in the next few weeks? Did he even play against KC?
If Naanee had played poorly then I could see people making the argument Crayton should play. But he didn't and in my opinion he won't. Outside of injuries I think Crayton will be a slot/returner who doesn't crack the starting lineup. That doesn't mean he won't contribute... just that I don't see a start in the near future. Just my opinion though.
 
Ok time to put the offseason thread to bed.
We need 31 more of these for each team :popcorn: Good idea. I bumped the Crayton thread but does anyone out there in SD or any Detroit Chargers that want to chime in know if Crayton might slide up the depth charts...maybe get some targets in the next few weeks? Did he even play against KC?
He didnt see the field. But he has to be better than BUSTer Davis, just a matter of time before he plays over him
 
So, was it just me or did this team seem woefully unprepared for the season opener? What's the deal with Norv's inability to get this team ready for the start of the season? I know he just got an extension, but don't you have to question a guy who's been saying all preseason that this is his best Charger team ever, they could be really great, and then trots out that stinker in week 1?

Also was unhappy to see Phil pitching a game long hissy fit. I'd like to think the leader of the team could keep his composure a bit better in the face of adversity.

 
So, was it just me or did this team seem woefully unprepared for the season opener? What's the deal with Norv's inability to get this team ready for the start of the season? I know he just got an extension, but don't you have to question a guy who's been saying all preseason that this is his best Charger team ever, they could be really great, and then trots out that stinker in week 1?Also was unhappy to see Phil pitching a game long hissy fit. I'd like to think the leader of the team could keep his composure a bit better in the face of adversity.
Id be #####in at my Oline for penalties and WR for fallin down too. Not to mention the rookie fumbling and running into me on Play action.phil is the leader now and thats how he rolls.
 
It seems like my annual early season Norv-apologist post but let's keep things in perspective. They lost the game because they gave up two huge plays, playing on the road in one of the better stadiums in the league in bad weather. In the end Rivers still put themselves in a position to possibly win it and they just fell short. The team seemed woefully unprepared.... for two plays. Guys lost their footing on a wet field. Rivers demeanor is a big problem.... if they lose. He's been the same fiery guy since he's been the starter and if there's one direction the fans probably shouldn't look for things to 'fix' it's probably Rivers.

Maybe it's because I never thought this was a slam-dunk win in the first place but I'm not really taking this loss very hard and I thought they played well overall with a few huge mistakes in the first game. Maybe I'm just used to the slow starts out of the gate. The Chiefs played well on D and have a few game-breakers on offense that are a threat to break a long one on every possession. SD won't be the first team to give up long plays to Charles and McCluster.

 
Didn't catch the second half, but based on the first half, the Charagers play calling is extremely predictable.

 
Couldn't sell out the home opener vs. the Jags in time to avoid a t.v. blackout.

Who's the bad guy here - the people setting ticket prices or the fan base? Both?

 
Bolts win!!!

And I didn't get to see it live. :lol:

TGunz (or anyone else who actually saw it) - what were the takeaways from this one?

 
Bolts win!!!And I didn't get to see it live. :thumbup:TGunz (or anyone else who actually saw it) - what were the takeaways from this one?
Takeaways: Offense:1) The offense will be fine, provided Rivers isn't throwing in torrential rain. Pass protection was great, Dombrowski is holding down the fort.2) Tolbert and Sproles can get it done if Mathews is out. Mathews looked good as well, before the fumble and injury aside. 3) While none of the receivers is as good of an all-around WR as VJ, everyone has a role and plays it well. Gates is a monster, but you knew that. For some reason, the Jags didn't pay as much attention to him as they should have, and they paid for that mistake. Let's hope other teams follow suit.Defense:1) Cason looked pretty good, although it was against Garrard and against a crappy road team. 2) Defense looks legit, MJD got shutdown partially because of the score, but our guys did well. No big plays, solid tackling all around. Siler looks great. Playcalling by Rivera was amazing.Bottom line is, this is the team we were expecting. Yes, they beat up on the Jags, who didn't look great, but I think we all can be optimistic. Further development of Cason and the Dline over the course of the season, and Rivers & Co. making adjustments will only make this team better.
 
No big plays, solid tackling all around. Siler looks great. Playcalling by Rivera was amazing.
This is very encouraging, particularly the tackling part.I heard Naanee had some problems yesterday - can anyone verify/expound on that?
 
No big plays, solid tackling all around. Siler looks great. Playcalling by Rivera was amazing.
This is very encouraging, particularly the tackling part.I heard Naanee had some problems yesterday - can anyone verify/expound on that?
One of Rivers' two tipped interceptions went off his hands. It was a high throw, but IMO should have been caught.Also, in the game thread, someone said that he should have made a catch in the end zone despite a penalty on the defense, but I didn't see it.Not sure if there was more than that. I believe he only got 4 targets.
 
No big plays, solid tackling all around. Siler looks great. Playcalling by Rivera was amazing.
This is very encouraging, particularly the tackling part.I heard Naanee had some problems yesterday - can anyone verify/expound on that?
i noticed in the stat line from yesterday: buster davis was targeted 6x for the second week in a row. any value to him?
 
Also, in the game thread, someone said that he should have made a catch in the end zone despite a penalty on the defense, but I didn't see it.
Naane was held on his way into the endzone, but by the time the ball got there he was clean. Rivers hit him in the chest, but the ball popped out.I had some concerns about the defense. It seemed like they were giving away every underneath route. Garrard and McNown both were eating up yardage and first downs with dinks, dunks, and slant routes. Fortunately, they didn't get many chances to capitalize on this because of all the turnovers.
 

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