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*** San Francisco 49ers *** Official thread (8 Viewers)
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I call it a soft rebuild.If that’s the case, trade Bosa, CMC, & Kittle. No point in paying Trent either - move his fat butt outta town too.
I don’t think they’re rebuilding. Retooling for sure - clearing space for Purdy’s deal, maybe they have some plans for the draft.
I just wish we would have got at least one ring before having to do this. Now it's gonna be even tougher.
I think they should move cmc and everyone old and identified by hot sauce. They have no chance this year. They have no depth and no talent, almost across the board, and while they have some picks this year, they aren't going to fill a D devoid of talent with 4th round stars. If they get lucky, maybe they get 3 starters out of this draft.
Just mail it in. CMC, Williams, Kittle all guys well past their prime we are paying huge money to for no point. Give then a crack at a SuperBowl for their last year (maybe 2) in the league with some other team. Even Warner is closing in on 29.
Plan B for filling the IR?
Given that recieving room I would be tempted to not pay Purdy and see how he does this year. Going to be much harder to move the ball
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Keep seeing rumors that teams are interested in trading for Aiyuk (NE, CLE), can you even trade an injured player?
MAC_32
Footballguy
Of course, risk is on the buyer and price may be suppressed. He's got an option bonus due April, so I assume that's the unwritten deadline.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Maybe it was my old Madden days when I couldn’t trade a player that was injured. Seems like a bit of a gamble to trade for the guy right now, especially considering his lack of production while he was healthy last year.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Of course it's a gamble. You can sell a car with a rebuilt title too.
I think you can "rebuild" without tearing everything down to the studs like the 76ers, but that's semantics. I think they'd trade Bosa if someone would pay a king's ransom for him. I think his underperformance on his contract is one of several deals that have ticked off the front office and have them reevaluating how they do things. I'm not sure if Kittle and CMC would return premium draft capital given age/injury history (maybe I'm wrong), but they are also important culture setters and you need guys like that around.If that’s the case, trade Bosa, CMC, & Kittle. No point in paying Trent either - move his fat butt outta town too.
I don’t think they’re rebuilding. Retooling for sure - clearing space for Purdy’s deal, maybe they have some plans for the draft.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Of course, but was the car at least running well when you purchased it? Aiyuk was not a factor even prior to the injury which adds additional concern imo.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Athletes are human, not every one of them handles contract disputes well. Not saying that is definitively the case here, but it's certainly in the range of potential outcomes. What matters more is how that translates to the future, whether it's in SF or elsewhere.
eighsse2
Footballguy
I imagined the car running well in the analogy, but if it's not you can still sell it, just don't expect to get a lot!
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Glass half full is that they have a TON of picks - with the comp picks they’ve got:
1.11
Round 2, Pick 43
Round 3, Pick 75
Round 3, Pick 100 (Compensatory)
Round 4, Pick 112
Round 4, Pick 138 (Compensatory)
Round 5, Pick 148 (via Washington)
Round 6, Pick 189
Round 7, Pick 228 (via Carolina)
Round 7, Pick 247 (Compensatory)
Round 7, Pick 255 (Compensatory)
I could see them dealing picks for players, or utilizing their many picks to fill holes.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Albert Breer offers reassurance to 49ers fans who might be panicking:
Considering how much the 49ers have spent in recent years, an offseason reset was inevitable.
"But this was the logical time to do it," Breer said. "And if you want real encouragement, here it is for you. The Buffalo Bills did this exact same thing last year. And the Bills, I think it was something like $65 million in dead cap they took on. They got rid of a ton of guys."
Many questioned how the Bills would manage after their own roster overhaul.
"And you know what ended up happening? A great program carried them through," Breer commented.
"The Rams, two years ago, same thing. They ate all of this dead money. And now, what do you see? You see the Rams and Bills in a good position going forward with clean cap and a full complement of draft picks. I think that's sort of where the Niners are."
Considering how much the 49ers have spent in recent years, an offseason reset was inevitable.
"But this was the logical time to do it," Breer said. "And if you want real encouragement, here it is for you. The Buffalo Bills did this exact same thing last year. And the Bills, I think it was something like $65 million in dead cap they took on. They got rid of a ton of guys."
Many questioned how the Bills would manage after their own roster overhaul.
"And you know what ended up happening? A great program carried them through," Breer commented.
"The Rams, two years ago, same thing. They ate all of this dead money. And now, what do you see? You see the Rams and Bills in a good position going forward with clean cap and a full complement of draft picks. I think that's sort of where the Niners are."
Both with all world qbs
And the rams have knocked their draft picks out of the park
49ers have to follow suit
I couldn't disagree more with this. Floyd and Juice are basically addition by subtraction. 2 vastly overrated players. 1 at a dying position, taking snaps away from more valuable WRs, the other a 1-dimensional player, who gets sacks, but is a liability whenever he doesn't. I don't see either of these moves negatively effecting the 49ers.I call it a soft rebuild.If that’s the case, trade Bosa, CMC, & Kittle. No point in paying Trent either - move his fat butt outta town too.
I don’t think they’re rebuilding. Retooling for sure - clearing space for Purdy’s deal, maybe they have some plans for the draft.
I just wish we would have got at least one ring before having to do this. Now it's gonna be even tougher.
I think they should move cmc and everyone old and identified by hot sauce. They have no chance this year. They have no depth and no talent, almost across the board, and while they have some picks this year, they aren't going to fill a D devoid of talent with 4th round stars. If they get lucky, maybe they get 3 starters out of this draft.
Just mail it in. CMC, Williams, Kittle all guys well past their prime we are paying huge money to for no point. Give then a crack at a SuperBowl for their last year (maybe 2) in the league with some other team. Even Warner is closing in on 29.
Kittle is the best TE in the NFL. CMC and Williams are still top-3 guys at their position when healthy. Bosa is the top EDGE in the NFC. They'll be vastly improved just be being healthier.
SF is still a top 5 team in the NFC and absolutely can win the NFC West.
Yes, that's really the key. The Eagles and Rams had a couple stellar drafts and were able to reload very quickly as a result. None of the cap maneuvering or free agent pickups will matter in terms of whether this team returns to contention unless SF hits a home run here next month.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I'm on board with this. I was saying trade everyone IF it's a rebuild.
I don't think it is - I think the core of this team is pretty solid & they have a plethora of draft picks to improve the OL & secondary, plus replace some of the pieces.
Juice was a very good FB, and sneaky pass catcher out of the backfield - he's a bigger loss than Floyd. But he is replaceable. It's a dying position, but one that helps with this run scheme - I'm a bit concerned about CMC without a FB. But again, lots of picks, probably not that hard to find a FB considering hardly any teams use them.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I posted the following in the Raiders thread to illustrate the strategy of several of the top teams, including the Niners, of leveraging the NFL free-agency comp pick allocations to their benefit...
Impressive run of mid-round hits. Now time to retool the roster with the five new picks, like how the Rams did with their roster last couple drafts. Raiders hopefully doing similar.
Impressive run of mid-round hits. Now time to retool the roster with the five new picks, like how the Rams did with their roster last couple drafts. Raiders hopefully doing similar.
efactor
Footballguy
Would you be shocked if they brought him back at the Vet minimum, which is about 1.5 million? I wouldn't
Blow to his ego probably, but still not bad work considering his role.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I suggested this to friends, some thought it was possible.
Others opined that the bigger loss was the downgrade from the WAG club.
efactor
Footballguy
Yeah, Kristin is a bit of alright
Plus, Juice being on the team probably helps her biz
Wingnut
Footballguy
Saw this tweet last week:
The #49ers have approached FB Kyle Juszczyk regarding a contract restructure, per sources.
If the two sides are unable to come to an agreement, San Francisco will likely release Juszczyk.
The #49ers have approached FB Kyle Juszczyk regarding a contract restructure, per sources.
If the two sides are unable to come to an agreement, San Francisco will likely release Juszczyk.
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Barrows said on Kawakami’s pod that the team told Juice to go out and try to find a better contract than the restructure the 49ers were offering. Juice apparently did and requested his release. Unclear at this point who that is.
MAC_32
Footballguy
And at a slightly reduced cost compared to when Shanahan wanted him before.
efactor
Footballguy
This is a very “interesting” move.I always knew Mac Jones would be a 49er!
-OZ-
Footballguy
This is a very “interesting” move.I always knew Mac Jones would be a 49er!
I really think this is a great move as a backup for Purdy.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He showed he could play a bit in JAX when TLaw was out. I don't mind him as a backup.
LawFitz
Footballguy
This is a very “interesting” move.I always knew Mac Jones would be a 49er!
Also places at least a subconscious pressure point on the Purdy contract negotiations. Niners brass playing chess here, but does have a bit of backfire potential, if Brock takes it the wrong way.
efactor
Footballguy
That’s why I say it’s “interesting”. If Jones goes into the 49er system that draft class, does he have the same level of success that Brock had? Most will say “hell no” but nobody really knows. Playing in NE after McDaniels left was a bad situation.This is a very “interesting” move.I always knew Mac Jones would be a 49er!
Also places at least a subconscious pressure point on the Purdy contract negotiations. Niners brass playing chess here, but does have a bit of backfire potential, if Brock takes it the wrong way.
Probably nothing but still “interesting”.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Saw a sportsball writer type suggest that they could play hardball with Purdy because they could always fall back on a Cousins trade or ARod signing and nothing has made me want to gouge my eyes out with a spoon faster.
efactor
Footballguy
Please god no
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
My first thought as well.Please god no
Wingnut
Footballguy
New 49ers long snapper Jon Weeks gets a $1.422 million deal with $200,000 guaranteed, per a league source, as he leaves Texans in free agency.
The 49ers clearly see Weeks as an upgrade over Taybor Pepper (who is being released), as they're paying him a bit more. Weeks, 39, is a former Pro bowler.
Weeks: $1.422m
Pepper (cut): $1.280m
The 49ers clearly see Weeks as an upgrade over Taybor Pepper (who is being released), as they're paying him a bit more. Weeks, 39, is a former Pro bowler.
Weeks: $1.422m
Pepper (cut): $1.280m
Wingnut
Footballguy
Welcome back, Juice!!!
Schefter:
Source: Nine-time Pro-Bowl FB Kyle Jusczyk is retuning to the 49ers on a two-year, $8 million deal.
Schefter:
Source: Nine-time Pro-Bowl FB Kyle Jusczyk is retuning to the 49ers on a two-year, $8 million deal.
efactor
Footballguy
Back at full strength
Rumor that Lynch is working on a trade for Josh Allen to back up Brock. Would make us the WAG Bowl favorite
Took less to stay here than Pittsburgh was offering, awesome.
Wingnut
Footballguy
This is nuts
49ers O-line avg yearly salary:
Williams: $27.5 mill
Bartch: $1.3 mill/Burford: $1.1 mill
Brendel: $4.1 mill
Puni: $1.4 mill
McKivitz: $2.3 mill
Starting OL minus Williams:
$10.2 million/yr
Average yearly at DT:
Anderson: $960k
Davis: $948K
Elliott: $3.5 mill
Per @AlSacco49
49ers O-line avg yearly salary:
Williams: $27.5 mill
Bartch: $1.3 mill/Burford: $1.1 mill
Brendel: $4.1 mill
Puni: $1.4 mill
McKivitz: $2.3 mill
Starting OL minus Williams:
$10.2 million/yr
Average yearly at DT:
Anderson: $960k
Davis: $948K
Elliott: $3.5 mill
Per @AlSacco49
I would argue that despite the record amount of money spent on SF free agents, they haven't lost a player who played at an above-average level last year except now Jordan Mason. Only question now is whether they can replace/develop those losses with above-average young talent or if they'll dip from "below average" to "replacement level" next year.
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