Sanders Praises Fidel Castro, Daniel Ortega in 1985 (1 Viewer)

[Widbil83]

And what’s wrong with his position?  Someone might disagree with abortion but how could you support only allowing abortion for females 30-40 years old?

What’s wrong with his position? It’s completely void of any common sense and decency. Go tell the black community the Charlotte  church shooter should have voting rights, or the Hispanic community the El Paso shooter should have voting rights. I can’t imagine being a victim of the Boston bombing and hearing this absurd argument by a “serious” Presidential candidate.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

What’s wrong with his position? It’s completely void of any common sense and decency. Go tell the black community the Charlotte  church shooter should have voting rights, or the Hispanic community the El Paso shooter should have voting rights. I can’t imagine being a victim of the Boston bombing and hearing this absurd argument by a “serious” Presidential candidate.

The fact that some people might be uncomfortable with it doesn’t mean it’s a bad idea.

 

[Slapdash]

What’s wrong with his position? It’s completely void of any common sense and decency. Go tell the black community the Charlotte  church shooter should have voting rights, or the Hispanic community the El Paso shooter should have voting rights. I can’t imagine being a victim of the Boston bombing and hearing this absurd argument by a “serious” Presidential candidate.

Charleston, not Charlotte

 

[BladeRunner]

So Bloomberg, Warren, and HRC are actually Republicans? 

With all due respect, I'm not sure you actually believe that.  No one else does so I can only assume that you're trying to be silly.

 

[BassNBrew]

What’s wrong with his position? It’s completely void of any common sense and decency. Go tell the black community the Charlotte  church shooter should have voting rights, or the Hispanic community the El Paso shooter should have voting rights. I can’t imagine being a victim of the Boston bombing and hearing this absurd argument by a “serious” Presidential candidate.

Bombing

mass murder

murder

manslaughter

vechicular manslaughter

DUI 

robbing a bank

helping yourself to a candy bar

putting coke into your water cup at subway

smoking weed in the wrong state

His point is about consistency. He is demonstrating more common sense and advanced thinking than many people can handle

 

[BladeRunner]

This argument is the social safety net equivalent of "If you think the government should pay for firefighters and public roads, then you should be okay with the government owning the means of production in any other industry too."

Edit: Both of these are close variants of the Somalia Fallacy: "Oh, you like small government, you say?  Well you should move to Somalia then, because they don't have any government at all!"  All of these turn an argument along the lines of "We should do a little less of X" into "We should do none of X whatsoever," which is a form of strawmanning.

Thank you, Ivan. 

 

[BladeRunner]

It’s true that social programs do not equal socialism, a bad argument on my part. Bernie supports M4A, but I’ve never heard him propose the state taking over private industry, which is why he isn’t a true socialist, despite his answer 35 years ago. 

Again, a leopard doesn't change his spots.  "Democratic Socialism" is a smoke screen.  It doesn't exist.  It's there to fool the rubes.

I would argue that ignoring what Bernie said 35 years ago is exactly what he wants you to do.  He's counting on it.

 

[BladeRunner]

Bombing

mass murder

murder

manslaughter

vechicular manslaughter

DUI 

robbing a bank

helping yourself to a candy bar

putting coke into your water cup at subway

smoking weed in the wrong state

His point is about consistency. He is demonstrating more common sense and advanced thinking than many people can handle

I'm not sure I understand.  Can you unpack this a bit?

 

[BassNBrew]

I'm not sure I understand.  Can you unpack this a bit?

If you believe that criminals deserve the right to vote, then every criminal from a jaywalker to the Boston bomber gets the right to vote.  It gets difficult when you try to establish policy based on how mean someone is

 

[BladeRunner]

If you believe that criminals deserve the right to vote, then every criminal from a jaywalker to the Boston bomber gets the right to vote.  It gets difficult when you try to establish policy based on how mean someone is

Thank-you! 

I'm a little slow this morning.

 

[John Blutarsky]

If you believe that criminals deserve the right to vote, then every criminal from a jaywalker to the Boston bomber gets the right to vote.  It gets difficult when you try to establish policy based on how mean someone is

What about felonies and misdemeanors?

 

[BassNBrew]

What about felonies and misdemeanors?

I was charged with felony discharge of a missile for throwing a paper cup at a car that was violating traffic laws. 

That said, I don’t agree with Bernie’s position. I admire Bernie taking a position, being consistent, and not buckling to what people want to hear.  Jail relieves you of child support obligations  if you get off the hook for supporting your kids, I’m not shedding tears over your voting rights

 

[BassNBrew]

Thank-you! 

I'm a little slow this morning.

I could have elaborated more but get lazy on the phone

 

[Navin Johnson]

With all due respect, I'm not sure you actually believe that.  No one else does so I can only assume that you're trying to be silly.

I'm just extending your supposition. Can't have it both ways. Either you can change or you can't.  

 

[toshiba]

Bernie.  I’m not sure what your point is though.

The point is that Trump is so obviously terrible that his opponent's flaws don't really matter.  

It's like 2016 didn't happen.

But he is not currently running against Trump

 

[rockaction]

You’re cool with a bank bailout that converted wealth well into the trillions - and counting - and have no issues with a policy of constant worldwide war that serves no purpose other than the transfer of wealth directly from the middle class, but yeah, providing broad access to health care and education will just be too much for you to stomach. 

I was never fine with the redistribution there, either, and thought it was a golden moment for both left and right to reach across the aisle and say "no" to the centrists, who acted like economic fascists. That was deplorable, and social programs should have come way before it.

I've said that innumerable times on this board.

I'm talking about the candidates actual default position.

 

[BladeRunner]

I'm just extending your supposition. Can't have it both ways. Either you can change or you can't.  

People as ancient as Bernie aren't changing for anyone.  Ever.

And as far as extending MY supposition, you saying those candidates are Republicans I'm not even sure how that extends anything.  That's a complete fallacy.

 

[GROOT]

At the state level, most offenders (55%) are locked up for violent crimes.  Another 17.5% were convicted of serious property crimes, like burglary.  Drug possession only accounted for 3.5% of state prisoners.  Drug offenses make up a good share of the federal prison population (47%), but that's almost all trafficking, not possession.  I'm all for drug legalization, but most people who engage drug trafficking aren't the best people in the world, and I'd prefer that they not be allowed to vote.  I'm definitely happy with murderers and rapists not voting.   

Not to mention these people are already sucking on taxpayer money

 

[Navin Johnson]

People as ancient as Bernie aren't changing for anyone.  Ever.

And as far as extending MY supposition, you saying those candidates are Republicans I'm not even sure how that extends anything.  That's a complete fallacy.

You said people can't change. They were all Republicans, some more recently than others. It's not that complicated. The fortune cookie logic is bad enough, but subjectively applying it only when it suits your argument is laughable. 

 

[the moops]

Jail relieves you of child support obligations  if you get off the hook for supporting your kids, I’m not shedding tears over your voting rights

Going to prison does not relieve you of child support in any state that I am aware of. The order can only be changed by a judge. And if the incarcerated person has income or assets, they are required to continue paying while in jai.

 

[BladeRunner]

You said people can't change. They were all Republicans, some more recently than others. It's not that complicated. The fortune cookie logic is bad enough, but subjectively applying it only when it suits your argument is laughable. 

But I'm not. 

Although, Bloomberg was a Republican in name only, but Warren and HRC?  When were they republicans?  What?

 

[John Blutarsky]

But I'm not. 

Although, Bloomberg was a Republican in name only, but Warren and HRC?  When were they republicans?  What?

 

[BassNBrew]

Going to prison does not relieve you of child support in any state that I am aware of. The order can only be changed by a judge. And if the incarcerated person has income or assets, they are required to continue paying while in jai.

NC based on direct knowledge.  Legal aid confirmed.   Dad got tagged for millions in mortgage fraud.  Didn't have to pay child support or pay for kids health insurance while in prison.  Stand in line behind Uncle Sam's fine.  Besides, any reasonable decent attorney will have guided you to liquidating any assets before the plea deal is final.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I was charged with felony discharge of a missile for throwing a paper cup at a car that was violating traffic laws. 

That said, I don’t agree with Bernie’s position. I admire Bernie taking a position, being consistent, and not buckling to what people want to hear.  Jail relieves you of child support obligations  if you get off the hook for supporting your kids, I’m not shedding tears over your voting rights

I strongly support a process where people with felony convictions can re-gain the right to vote, at a minimum.

 

[Navin Johnson]

But I'm not. 

Although, Bloomberg was a Republican in name only, but Warren and HRC?  When were they republicans?  What?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Warren

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton