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[Joe Bryant]

Everyone's having fun with the nicknames and such. That's part of it I guess. But I see lots of people dismissing Lorenzen as just a gimmick.

The kid can play. He's got a big arm and he's not scared. And he's got a pretty interesting size to quickness ratio.

He's not nearly as good as Eli Manning. That's why he's the #2. But the Giants are well aware of what he can do. That's why he's the #2.

If he plays this weekend, I wouldn't be shocked to see him do some good things.

J

 

[Shrek]

I've been saying this all week. I really don't see the Giants offense taking a major step back.

 

[Keys Myaths]

I've been looking through some of his highlight reel...the most important thing, IMO, is the guy's willingness to do whatever he needs to win. (last week's 4th down slide notwithstanding)

He's fairly good, fairly quick, and a completely different style of QB. It could be interesting.

 

[NoCheese]

Everyone's having fun with the nicknames and such. That's part of it I guess. But I see lots of people dismissing Lorenzen as just a gimmick.The kid can play. He's got a big arm and he's not scared. And he's got a pretty interesting size to quickness ratio.He's not nearly as good as Eli Manning. That's why he's the #2. But the Giants are well aware of what he can do. That's why he's the #2. If he plays this weekend, I wouldn't be shocked to see him do some good things. J

Do you see a 10%, 20%, 30% dropoff in Burress' numbers? More?

 

[NYCGangGreen]

Everyone's having fun with the nicknames and such. That's part of it I guess. But I see lots of people dismissing Lorenzen as just a gimmick.The kid can play. He's got a big arm and he's not scared. And he's got a pretty interesting size to quickness ratio.He's not nearly as good as Eli Manning. That's why he's the #2. But the Giants are well aware of what he can do. That's why he's the #2. If he plays this weekend, I wouldn't be shocked to see him do some good things. J

Ok Joe, I'll bite...but would you rather Lorenzen or Tarvaris Jackson starting for your team.Not saying that in a perfect world you would have to, but let's say just for argument sake.Big Boy vs. VickLiteWho would you pick? (NFL and Fantasy wise)

 

[Red Apples]

these type of backup QBs always do good the first week they start...no one has tape on them they come in and kick a little ###.

its the second and third week, where it all goes to pot.

 

[Jaysus]

He's got a big arm and he's not scared.

He sure looked scared on that 4th down slide last week.... you think someone with his size would put his shoulder down and make a play when the game is on the line like that.

 

[JohnnyU]

As a UK fan I know what he can do. You're right, he does have a big arm, and he is quite nimble for a big man. Also, he's not afraid to run over people, but you wouldn't know it by that lousy slide he made last week. Maybe the Giants have told him not to run over defenders. I guarantee you that he can deliver more punishment than he takes if he wants to.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I watched him play in college a lot. He has some skills, no doubt. I would not be at all surprised to see him do well.

 

[LawFitz]

I think the GB defense is VERY good and underrated. Can Lorenzen stand up to these guys???

I'm sure they will be bringing every exotic blitz package they have to confuse him. It wouldn't shock me at all to see them completely dominate this game due to their defensive prowess and dough boy's inexperience.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Everyone's having fun with the nicknames and such. That's part of it I guess. But I see lots of people dismissing Lorenzen as just a gimmick.The kid can play. He's got a big arm and he's not scared. And he's got a pretty interesting size to quickness ratio.He's not nearly as good as Eli Manning. That's why he's the #2. But the Giants are well aware of what he can do. That's why he's the #2. If he plays this weekend, I wouldn't be shocked to see him do some good things. J

Ok Joe, I'll bite...but would you rather Lorenzen or Tarvaris Jackson starting for your team.Not saying that in a perfect world you would have to, but let's say just for argument sake.Big Boy vs. VickLiteWho would you pick? (NFL and Fantasy wise)

Hi NYC,Lorenzen and Jackson are 24 adn 25 on our QB sheets this week. Can't get much closer than that. If I had to choose one, I'd go with Lorenzen just for the fun factor. But wait for sure to see he's starting. I expect him to, but I expect it to be a gametime call.J

 

[Avery]

As a Giant homer, I'm (cautiously) optimistic that J-Load can fill in competently at QB and keep the seat warm for Eli.

Many are downgrading the entire Giants receiving corps, but I'm interested if anyone has any insight as to if and how we should downgrade/upgrade the Giants receiving corps relative to each other. What I mean is does anyone have any insight as to if he may favor a particular receiver?

 

[NYCGangGreen]

Everyone's having fun with the nicknames and such. That's part of it I guess. But I see lots of people dismissing Lorenzen as just a gimmick.The kid can play. He's got a big arm and he's not scared. And he's got a pretty interesting size to quickness ratio.He's not nearly as good as Eli Manning. That's why he's the #2. But the Giants are well aware of what he can do. That's why he's the #2. If he plays this weekend, I wouldn't be shocked to see him do some good things. J

Ok Joe, I'll bite...but would you rather Lorenzen or Tarvaris Jackson starting for your team.Not saying that in a perfect world you would have to, but let's say just for argument sake.Big Boy vs. VickLiteWho would you pick? (NFL and Fantasy wise)

Hi NYC,Lorenzen and Jackson are 24 adn 25 on our QB sheets this week. Can't get much closer than that. If I had to choose one, I'd go with Lorenzen just for the fun factor. But wait for sure to see he's starting. I expect him to, but I expect it to be a gametime call.J

I agree, I think the fun factor goes way up if he plays in the Giants game this weekend. He seems like one of those trainwrecks you cant take your eyes off when he is running an offense.I just cant help but imagine him at QB and Jacobs at tailback. THAT would have to be the largest duo to have ever played the game.

 

[Letum]

Looks like a HUGE risk and a BIG FAT gamble to me...

Packers coverage may make him pull down and eat the football...

jk

Let's see what he does - assuming Eli doesn't play through the pain

 

[Joe Bryant]

Everyone's having fun with the nicknames and such. That's part of it I guess. But I see lots of people dismissing Lorenzen as just a gimmick.The kid can play. He's got a big arm and he's not scared. And he's got a pretty interesting size to quickness ratio.He's not nearly as good as Eli Manning. That's why he's the #2. But the Giants are well aware of what he can do. That's why he's the #2. If he plays this weekend, I wouldn't be shocked to see him do some good things. J

Do you see a 10%, 20%, 30% dropoff in Burress' numbers? More?

Hi NC,Based on what we saw last week from Manning to Burress, it has to be a drop for him without Manning. I'd say something like 20% or so. We've just got so little record to go on. I'd expect more short stuff but if he can handle the rush and have time, he does have the arm to go downfield. J

 

[nygiants56]

I've been saying this all week. I really don't see the Giants offense taking a major step back.

he's been the best backup QB NY has had in a long time!the kid can flat-out play..he's gutsy and has a cannon for an arm.I'll be at the game on sunday , hope he shows us something!

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

He's fairly good, fairly quick, and a completely different style of QB. It could be interesting.

Bizarro Michael Vick

 

[ceo3west]

He may not be a joke, but we won't find out. Manning plays Sunday - book it.

 

[sholditch]

As a Giant homer, I'm (cautiously) optimistic that J-Load can fill in competently at QB and keep the seat warm for Eli.Many are downgrading the entire Giants receiving corps, but I'm interested if anyone has any insight as to if and how we should downgrade/upgrade the Giants receiving corps relative to each other. What I mean is does anyone have any insight as to if he may favor a particular receiver?

His obvious strengths are the deep ball and the short, dump-off pass under pressure, two things he excelled at in college. Seems to me that would make Burress and either Toomer or Shockey decent plays. Probably Shockey.

 

[cacksman]

He's got a big arm and he's not scared.

He sure looked scared on that 4th down slide last week.... you think someone with his size would put his shoulder down and make a play when the game is on the line like that.

exactly. Most QBs in the league would have dove the first down, but this guy who is nearing 300 lbs, decides to slide and end his team's chances of a win.

 

[TheFanatic]

Everyone's having fun with the nicknames and such.

Nobody gets to be in this league as even a backup QB if they can't play. Not even Dump Truck here. I just can't imagine the guy playing an entire game. I've never seen a QB that looks like an O-Lineman, huge gut and all. I realize that the QB doesn't actually run much, but if this guy had to I can't see how he wouldn't be winded really quick. Honestly, I want to see the kid play. I'm hoping he does well. I think it makes the game that much more interesting with Chunk there lining up behind center....

 

[Avery]

As a Giant homer, I'm (cautiously) optimistic that J-Load can fill in competently at QB and keep the seat warm for Eli.

Many are downgrading the entire Giants receiving corps, but I'm interested if anyone has any insight as to if and how we should downgrade/upgrade the Giants receiving corps relative to each other. What I mean is does anyone have any insight as to if he may favor a particular receiver?

His obvious strengths are the deep ball and the short, dump-off pass under pressure, two things he excelled at in college. Seems to me that would make Burress and either Toomer or Shockey decent plays. Probably Shockey.

No offense, but that's really not that helpful to list all of the Giants start WR corps.Between Burress, Toomer and Shockey would you bump anyone up and/or anyone down with J-Load at QB?

 

[sho nuff]

No doubt he can play.

But to those saying they don't see much of a dropoff?

Missing starting QB, starting RB...going up against one of the better defenses in the league that can flat out bring some pressure....there will most likely be a dropoff.

 

[The Royal Jack]

He really looks like old HOFer Otto Graham at QB.

I think he likely will be at least as effective as say a Byron Leftwich in the NFL.

Lets hope that Eli doesn't become the next Dusty Bonner.

He is rather enormous though.

 

[sholditch]

As a Giant homer, I'm (cautiously) optimistic that J-Load can fill in competently at QB and keep the seat warm for Eli.

Many are downgrading the entire Giants receiving corps, but I'm interested if anyone has any insight as to if and how we should downgrade/upgrade the Giants receiving corps relative to each other. What I mean is does anyone have any insight as to if he may favor a particular receiver?

His obvious strengths are the deep ball and the short, dump-off pass under pressure, two things he excelled at in college. Seems to me that would make Burress and either Toomer or Shockey decent plays. Probably Shockey.

No offense, but that's really not that helpful to list all of the Giants start WR corps.Between Burress, Toomer and Shockey would you bump anyone up and/or anyone down with J-Load at QB?

just being honest as I don't know who is the better possession receiver between Toomer and Shockey. Buress I expect to have about 75 yards and maybe a score. GB defense is a lot tougher than Dallas. What Lorenzen has always shown a talent for is hanging in the pocket until the last second, then, as he literally has defenders draped over him, as he's falling down, he had the uncanny ability (in college) to find an open receiver and complete a 5-10 yard pass. So, depending on your own opinion of who the better receiver is for that, I think that receiver could have a decent game, because I think that situation will come up a lot in this game. Personally I would guess about 55-60 yards for Toomer, and maybe only about 35-45 for Shockey, but trying to predict how a basically raw backup will interact with his receivers in his first game starting is pretty much impossible. For fantasy purposes, Burress is the only safe play.

 

[yesitsme]

Well, i'll be the nay sayer.

I don't think he'll be a good NFL QB and won't be productive when he's in there. I think at times he may display a strong arm, but when he gets rushed up the middle and is forced to move his 300 pound body, he'll look clumsy.

He may be quick like you say...but he's only going to be so quick at 300 pounds. I think he struggles.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

If nothing else, having him at QB and Brandon Jacobs at RB is interesting. They need to bring in some Warrick Dunn sized guys to play on the o-line. Being an UDFA he is infinitely more interesting to keep an eye on than some middle round average talented QB.

 

[redman]

And he's got a pretty interesting size to quickness ratio.

So do glaciers.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I think the GB defense is VERY good and underrated. Can Lorenzen stand up to these guys???I'm sure they will be bringing every exotic blitz package they have to confuse him. It wouldn't shock me at all to see them completely dominate this game due to their defensive prowess and dough boy's inexperience.

This guy has done nothing in the regular season. Preseason and regular season are very different. I think Green Bay has an excellent deffense and will pressure Lorenzen into making a lot of mistakes. I know Im in the minority but I don't think he will do very well against Green Bay this week.

 

[shadyridr]

Anybody else starts this thread they would get abused. JoeB starts it and everyone comes in here kissing his ### and agreeing with him. Not saying he's wrong though, just saying.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Oh, this is kinda how Brady got his start too. Just sayin...

 

[massraider]

I loved watching that chubby marshmallow run around in college. I hope he does great, I just won't get sick of seeing Sebastian Janikowski play QB.

 

[harryhood]

Anybody else starts this thread they would get abused. JoeB starts it and everyone comes in here kissing his ### and agreeing with him. Not saying he's wrong though, just saying.

I think it is more the fact that some people actually think the same way, however, they did not want to post it, in fear of being chewed out. That being said, and a Giants home I am, I am interested to see what is going to happen. This isn't Lambeau field and I really think people are doubting the Giants offense as a whole. Home opener, coming off an awful loss to one of their rivals....do not sleep on these Giants.

 

[Despyzer]

Paul Schwartz of the NY Post had a completely different viewpoint no more than two weeks ago.

August 31, 2007 -- FOXBOROUGH, Mass. - Tom Coughlin has not been happy with the work of his backup offensive players during the summer, especially the play of the reserve quarterbacks. It's doubtful anything he saw during last night's 27-20 preseason loss to the Patriots at Gillette Stadium made him feel any better.

Jared Lorenzen replaced Eli Manning late in the first quarter and was not impressive. He finished up 10 of 16 for 53 yards.

Continuing a trend, he had trouble navigating his way around pressure in the pocket and was sacked seven times for losses totaling 37 yards. That means in 23 pass plays, Lorenzen generated 16 net yards.

"Wasn't very good," Coughlin said. "Wasn't good enough."

Lorenzen has been sacked 12 times during the preseason.

"It was rough," Lorenzen said. "A lot of things went wrong for me collectively and as a team."

Could Lorenzen - the backup all summer - have jeopardized his roster spot?

Anthony Wright (5 of 8, 70 yards) led the Giants on a late touchdown drive.

 

[Demons]

He was ranked pretty high the year before he came out. I had hoped the Raiders would draft him after he slid.

If nothing else, he should be fun to watch. I wonder which WR will benefit? It seems that often a QB off the bench will have chemistry with the #4 WR (or #5, etc.). As for him lowering his shoulder versus sliding, he was the guy coming off the bench. Should he have risked injury, given the depth behind him at QB? In retrospect maybe so, but he had a fraction of a second to make that decision and ignore his normal reaction in that type of situation. This week he will get much more live action in practice, so that he can be prepared to do the right thing on the field.

Edit to add: All of the above being said, I am still starting the Green Bay defense instead of Minnesota this week. Sack, sack, sack, sack, sack........sack again......

 

[Skinsfansince72]

No reason why "J-Load" can't have some decent games while Eli is out. Sure he's big but so was Sonny Jurgensen(not 285 but over 2 bills at a time when players weren't nearly as big. At 511 he looked like he shouldn't have been able to play.

 

[Englishteacher]

guys, let's remember this is fantasy we're talking about. It comes down to numbers. Do I think he'll be the second coming of Peton Manning? No. But you can get your points in fantasy without ANYTHING being pretty. Specifically, a team that's down and has to throw a lot makes a damn good fantasy QB for the week, assuming you're not penalizing heavily for INT's or imcomplete passes.

He doesn't look too bad from what I saw in his limited time last week. He looks to have decent touch and timing underneath which can be a real problem with some bigger, musclebound, or big-armed QB's (think Daunte Culpepper). I think he's exactly what a backup QB should be. A backup is a guy who's not a star but who can come in and play the position and run the offense at a competent level. I think NFL teams are too guilty of turning their backs on guys like this sometimes. He went undrafted, as did his positional counterpart Sunday, Tony Romo, and yet he came in and didn't stink up the joint. There are a lot of teams out there that don't have guys who can do that (backups we're talking about here. I know as a Panther fan I sure as hell would have liked to have had Lorenzen last year in the place of Chris Weinke. Strikingly, there are many QB's out there right now who can play in the NFL that don't even have jobs.

 

[FavreCo]

Oh, this is kinda how Brady got his start too. Just sayin...

So did Favre but The Hefty Lefty won't be taking Manning's spot on this team. Maybe somewhere else someday.

 

[remote controller]

He isn't a joke, but I sure didn't like it when he stepped on Jacobs foot in the 3rd preseason game. That is probably what caused the injury in week 1.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Anybody else starts this thread they would get abused. JoeB starts it and everyone comes in here kissing his ### and agreeing with him. Not saying he's wrong though, just saying.

Because everyone always agrees with me. Too funny.J

 

[DanFouts]

Oh, this is kinda how Brady got his start too. Just sayin...

I can see it now....Hefty wins three in a row and there is a QB controversy......

 

[cstu]

I think the GB defense is VERY good and underrated. Can Lorenzen stand up to these guys???I'm sure they will be bringing every exotic blitz package they have to confuse him. It wouldn't shock me at all to see them completely dominate this game due to their defensive prowess and dough boy's inexperience.

If Favre gets beat by JLoad I'm going to be

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

IMO Kellen Clemens is the best QB in the New York area. If he was playing a lesser D this week, I would say we wouldnt be seeing Pennington anymore. Still, if Clemens has a good game and the Jets win, there is a decent chance he holds onto the job.

 

[AnonymousBob]

If the Hefty Lefty has a bad game, I'm going to start a thread calling JB out and scream this site is full of "staffers" that don't know anymore than the rest of us.

If the Pillsbury Throwboy has a great game, I'm going to start a thread calling JB out and demand to know why he didn't do more to pimp the guy.

If the quarter(got)back has a mediocre game, I'm going to start a thread calling JB out and ask why he bothered wasting our time with a insignificant fantasy option.

Good luck and God Bless.

 

[cstu]

Just a thought...is "QB sneak" the appropriate term when done by JLoad?

 

[Chaos Commish]

Anybody else starts this thread they would get abused. JoeB starts it and everyone comes in here kissing his ### and agreeing with him. Not saying he's wrong though, just saying.

:IBTL: Because everyone always agrees with me. Too funny.J

Well there is a little bit of a double standard around here these days. You are disagreed with "respectfully" even "excellently" in most cases. I'm no LHUCKS reporting people for being mean, but the staff (admin and ownership included) seem to let us kick each other around a little more than the standard of excellence, which primarily applies to big brother. I agree on Lorenzen. I think he will do well, but I also agree he faces a much tougher task this week than Eli did last week.

 

[maxwell1295]

He was an absolute beast in college....literally!

Read THIS article if you don't believe me.

BTW, if you ever get the chance, watch the 4OT shootout between him and Arkansas (Matt Jones). I forget what year that was (2004?), but it was a real treat.

 

[videoguy505]

Everyone's having fun with the nicknames and such. That's part of it I guess. But I see lots of people dismissing Lorenzen as just a gimmick.The kid can play. He's got a big arm and he's not scared. And he's got a pretty interesting size to quickness ratio.He's not nearly as good as Eli Manning. That's why he's the #2. But the Giants are well aware of what he can do. That's why he's the #2. If he plays this weekend, I wouldn't be shocked to see him do some good things. J

Perhaps you're not familiar with my "Billy Volek Theory". Recently, it seems that QBs making their first few starts generally do OK, even if briefly. Volek did it, Romo started out hot, a lot of QBs can come in and "surprise" everyone for a game or two. I think it's a lack of game film on them, the defense not knowing what looks will give him a hard time, evens up the balance between an offense that is probably running simpler plays and a defense that isn't as fully prepared to face a mystery starter than they are a guy they have a season's worth of tape on.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Everyone's having fun with the nicknames and such. That's part of it I guess. But I see lots of people dismissing Lorenzen as just a gimmick.The kid can play. He's got a big arm and he's not scared. And he's got a pretty interesting size to quickness ratio.He's not nearly as good as Eli Manning. That's why he's the #2. But the Giants are well aware of what he can do. That's why he's the #2. If he plays this weekend, I wouldn't be shocked to see him do some good things. J

Perhaps you're not familiar with my "Billy Volek Theory". Recently, it seems that QBs making their first few starts generally do OK, even if briefly. Volek did it, Romo started out hot, a lot of QBs can come in and "surprise" everyone for a game or two. I think it's a lack of game film on them, the defense not knowing what looks will give him a hard time, evens up the balance between an offense that is probably running simpler plays and a defense that isn't as fully prepared to face a mystery starter than they are a guy they have a season's worth of tape on.

Just think if the Vikings would trot out a new qb every three weeks. They could go 16-0 and win the Super Bowl this season.

 

[jturner01]

He will do alright as long as he does not have to take on any db's for the 1st down!! Sheesh that was a wussy thing for him to do he outwieghed that guy.