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Schilling and Sox close to a deal (1 Viewer)
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this is what G38 was referring to:
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Insoxicated
Nice to see one of the better pitchers of our time hanging it up at the Fens. 
very good #3 guy behind beckett and Dice. Nice leadership and experience to help the kids (Lester/Bucholz) adjust to the bigs. I assume his contract in pretty incentive laden.
Now all we've gotta do is bring back mike....
very good #3 guy behind beckett and Dice. Nice leadership and experience to help the kids (Lester/Bucholz) adjust to the bigs. I assume his contract in pretty incentive laden.
Now all we've gotta do is bring back mike....
RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
1 year 8 million is theft in this market. Was hoping the Phils would have a chance to offer something 
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
UNREAL. I cannot believe they got him this cheap. I guess there was little doubt that Schilling had his heart set on staying in Boston. Great deal.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
what a bahgain.
Could be erroneous but now reportedly $8 +$5 incentives which is still fine by me: yahoo AP report
Deal obviously lets us breathe some kind of sigh of relief. Lester pitched close to 160 innings last year but who knows if he can go 200. Buchholz should be on a leash well below 200 (guessing 180 if he even makes it there). Wake has some health issues. Schill has some health issues. Tavarez isn't a great fill-in but can help.
Beckett
Matsuzaka
Schill
Lester
Wake
If the back three miss 20 starts between them during the year, Buchholz can fill in for most of those if not eventually assume the 5th starting spot depending on his pitch count. Tavarez will see at least 10 starts I think but that's less than half of the number he made last year.
Now onto 3rd base...
Deal obviously lets us breathe some kind of sigh of relief. Lester pitched close to 160 innings last year but who knows if he can go 200. Buchholz should be on a leash well below 200 (guessing 180 if he even makes it there). Wake has some health issues. Schill has some health issues. Tavarez isn't a great fill-in but can help.
Beckett
Matsuzaka
Schill
Lester
Wake
If the back three miss 20 starts between them during the year, Buchholz can fill in for most of those if not eventually assume the 5th starting spot depending on his pitch count. Tavarez will see at least 10 starts I think but that's less than half of the number he made last year.
Now onto 3rd base...
Sammy3469
Footballguy
at 2 million in weight clauses. So assuming he doesn't gorge himself this offseason, it's really a 10 million dollar deal.
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Insoxicated
November 6, 2007
Schilling has weight clause
By Nick Cafardo, Globe Staff
ORLANDO - Curt Schilling's new 1-year, $8 million deal with the Red Sox (which is pending results of a physical) will include $2 million worth of incentives if he meets weight requirements. The team hopes to insure that Schilling will be fit when he comes to spring training, a source close to the negotiations said moments ago.
Schilling can earn an additional $3 million in performance bonues, making his total incentive package at a possible $5 million. According to the Associated Press, the performance bonuses are based on innings pitched.
By that I'm gathering that the $2MM weight clause is included in the $8MM price tag... not sure though. Either way, anything under $10MM is a pretty damn good price for Schilling in this market... ESPECIALLY given the guy's postseason performance history.
Schilling has weight clause
By Nick Cafardo, Globe Staff
ORLANDO - Curt Schilling's new 1-year, $8 million deal with the Red Sox (which is pending results of a physical) will include $2 million worth of incentives if he meets weight requirements. The team hopes to insure that Schilling will be fit when he comes to spring training, a source close to the negotiations said moments ago.
Schilling can earn an additional $3 million in performance bonues, making his total incentive package at a possible $5 million. According to the Associated Press, the performance bonuses are based on innings pitched.
By that I'm gathering that the $2MM weight clause is included in the $8MM price tag... not sure though. Either way, anything under $10MM is a pretty damn good price for Schilling in this market... ESPECIALLY given the guy's postseason performance history.
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Footballguy
I am not sure, sounds like 8+2+3 otherwise I think they would have to report it as $6+5.
HellToupee
Footballguy
http://38pitches.com/2007/11/06/done/#more-116
The Sox will issue an official announcement at some point today, but Theo said it was ok to post here so I am. We agreed to a 1 year contract late last night. Today was the MRI, which I passed.
Still trying to soak it all in.
The deal looks like this.
$8 million in guaranteed base salary
$2 million in bonuses for 6 seperate weigh ins.
I inserted the weigh in clause in the 2nd round of offers, counter offers. Given the mistakes I made last winter and into Spring Training I needed to show them I recognized that, and understood the importance of it. Being overweight and out of shape are two different things. I also was completely broad sided by the fact that your body doesn’t act/react the same way as you get older. Even after being told that for the first 39 years of my life. Now I can’t get on Dougie anymore, which sucks, and I am sure the clause will add 15-100 more jokes to Tito’s Schilling joke book.
$3 million in IP incentives based on IP totals.
$1 million for receiving a Cy Young vote, any vote.
Some miscellaneous things were agreed upon as addendums as well.
Any discussions about this will focus on many points, that will miss the point. Did I ‘leave’ money on the table, yes. Could I have gotten another year? I think so. In talking with my advisor Ed Hayes, assessing the market place and current free agent crop as well as existing contracts. Looking at the teams that called, my best guess would be around 14-15 million for a 1 year deal with the potential to get 25-30 for a two year deal. Shonda and I were very clear on this from the outset, we wanted no more than a year. We wanted to stay here. So while there will be points of debate, they’ll all miss the point. We got EXACTLY what we wanted, and then some. This is where we want our career to come to a close. This city, this team. This is where we want to retire, raise our kids, and walk away. We got it, all of it, and more. Did I get too little? Hell I would argue that one of the top 3 pitchers of all time just signed a 10 million dollar deal. Scott Boras could argue that one of his clients is certainly worth more than Maddux, I can’t. Actually he would be arguing that one of his clients is worth more than another of his clients right?
Bottom line is Mr Henry, Mr Werner, Mr Lucchino, Theo, Tito and John wanted me to come back, and I wanted to be back. So it’s all good. Saying it’s not ‘about the money” is a lie too. Both sides have a price, at some number I was not a viable option for the Red Sox, and at another number the Sox might have become a non-contender to us, but we both wanted this to happen and it did. Contrary to what some ‘insiders’ think they know, they don’t. Theo and I have an enormously respectful and friendly relationship and the same can be said for all three owners. As far as Tito goes, well I have too much dirt on him to ever worry about him selling out on me…..
I’d also like to say thank you to Ed Wade, Drayton McLane, Josh Byrnes, Bill Giles and the other GMs and owners I spoke with. The fans of St Louis were incredibly graceful and respectful in wanting me to come there. I didn’t get to truly experience the recruiting process of becoming a full fledged free agent, but I think that was for the better. It was also nice to talk with Ed again and know that we both harbor zero ill will about anything said or done over the last decade. The phans in Philly at the ALS tournament yesterday were also very respectful and considerate and it was nice to see that passion on display again. While I think many of those options would have provided a fun and exciting final season, in our heart of hearts Shonda and I knew that to go anywhere else would be leaving home, and I couldn’t bring myself to make that happen.
Theo and I spoke early in the week about wanting to complete this before the exclusive period ended, and the GM meetings began, because we both thought there could be a scenario popping up that might make this less desirable. He has to run this team, and I needed to do what was best and right for my family. Allowing external influences to change our opinions of each other might have been an unavoidable strain neither side wanted.
I’ve already heard from Josh and Wake, and am excited to know that my last year in the game will be with a team that has another legitimate chance to win the World Series. Also, the thought of being able to be teammates with this incredible group, for a final run is pretty damn cool.
For any media that’s looking for comments, I will be attending this event in Springfield this evening
The Survivors Calendar Launch Party
Wilbraham Country Club
859 Stony Hill Road
Wilbraham, MA 01095
Now the only thing that’s left is this…
SIGN MIKE LOWELL!!!!!
Best clause is the 1 Cy Young vote.
The Sox will issue an official announcement at some point today, but Theo said it was ok to post here so I am. We agreed to a 1 year contract late last night. Today was the MRI, which I passed.
Still trying to soak it all in.
The deal looks like this.
$8 million in guaranteed base salary
$2 million in bonuses for 6 seperate weigh ins.
I inserted the weigh in clause in the 2nd round of offers, counter offers. Given the mistakes I made last winter and into Spring Training I needed to show them I recognized that, and understood the importance of it. Being overweight and out of shape are two different things. I also was completely broad sided by the fact that your body doesn’t act/react the same way as you get older. Even after being told that for the first 39 years of my life. Now I can’t get on Dougie anymore, which sucks, and I am sure the clause will add 15-100 more jokes to Tito’s Schilling joke book.
$3 million in IP incentives based on IP totals.
$1 million for receiving a Cy Young vote, any vote.
Some miscellaneous things were agreed upon as addendums as well.
Any discussions about this will focus on many points, that will miss the point. Did I ‘leave’ money on the table, yes. Could I have gotten another year? I think so. In talking with my advisor Ed Hayes, assessing the market place and current free agent crop as well as existing contracts. Looking at the teams that called, my best guess would be around 14-15 million for a 1 year deal with the potential to get 25-30 for a two year deal. Shonda and I were very clear on this from the outset, we wanted no more than a year. We wanted to stay here. So while there will be points of debate, they’ll all miss the point. We got EXACTLY what we wanted, and then some. This is where we want our career to come to a close. This city, this team. This is where we want to retire, raise our kids, and walk away. We got it, all of it, and more. Did I get too little? Hell I would argue that one of the top 3 pitchers of all time just signed a 10 million dollar deal. Scott Boras could argue that one of his clients is certainly worth more than Maddux, I can’t. Actually he would be arguing that one of his clients is worth more than another of his clients right?
Bottom line is Mr Henry, Mr Werner, Mr Lucchino, Theo, Tito and John wanted me to come back, and I wanted to be back. So it’s all good. Saying it’s not ‘about the money” is a lie too. Both sides have a price, at some number I was not a viable option for the Red Sox, and at another number the Sox might have become a non-contender to us, but we both wanted this to happen and it did. Contrary to what some ‘insiders’ think they know, they don’t. Theo and I have an enormously respectful and friendly relationship and the same can be said for all three owners. As far as Tito goes, well I have too much dirt on him to ever worry about him selling out on me…..
I’d also like to say thank you to Ed Wade, Drayton McLane, Josh Byrnes, Bill Giles and the other GMs and owners I spoke with. The fans of St Louis were incredibly graceful and respectful in wanting me to come there. I didn’t get to truly experience the recruiting process of becoming a full fledged free agent, but I think that was for the better. It was also nice to talk with Ed again and know that we both harbor zero ill will about anything said or done over the last decade. The phans in Philly at the ALS tournament yesterday were also very respectful and considerate and it was nice to see that passion on display again. While I think many of those options would have provided a fun and exciting final season, in our heart of hearts Shonda and I knew that to go anywhere else would be leaving home, and I couldn’t bring myself to make that happen.
Theo and I spoke early in the week about wanting to complete this before the exclusive period ended, and the GM meetings began, because we both thought there could be a scenario popping up that might make this less desirable. He has to run this team, and I needed to do what was best and right for my family. Allowing external influences to change our opinions of each other might have been an unavoidable strain neither side wanted.
I’ve already heard from Josh and Wake, and am excited to know that my last year in the game will be with a team that has another legitimate chance to win the World Series. Also, the thought of being able to be teammates with this incredible group, for a final run is pretty damn cool.
For any media that’s looking for comments, I will be attending this event in Springfield this evening
The Survivors Calendar Launch Party
Wilbraham Country Club
859 Stony Hill Road
Wilbraham, MA 01095
Now the only thing that’s left is this…
SIGN MIKE LOWELL!!!!!
Best clause is the 1 Cy Young vote.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
You can say that again. Was someone really going to give him 14-15 million for 1 year?
HellToupee
Footballguy
I think Schilling could get 12-14 mill in the open market , a very thin of talent free agent market.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
It's a weight clause.
the moops
Footballguy
Yes.He is probably the best starting pitcher on the market. And if he only wanted a 1 year deal, I would imagine many teams would line up to sign him at at least 12 million. One year deals (even if they turn out bad) are excellent for a contending team.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Here are the specifics of Schilling's new contract . . .
Base Salary: $8 million.
Innings pitched incentives: $375,000 for 130, 140, 150, 160, 170, 180, 190 and 200 innings pitched.
All-Star and postseason bonus: $100,000 for being named to the All-Star team. An additional $50,000 for being the All-Star game starter. $500,000 for Cy Young. $400,000 for second in Cy Young; $300,000 for third in Cy Young; $100,000 for World Series MVP; $1 million for a Cy Young vote (first, second or third).
Conditioning Bonus: $333,333 for each of six weigh-ins per year.
Other: Six season tickets to State Street Pavilion at Fenway Park in lieu of outdoor seating; suite for every home game start and charitable events; use of team uniform for charitable events; day-care for all home games.
Plus: $500,000 if traded.
Base Salary: $8 million.
Innings pitched incentives: $375,000 for 130, 140, 150, 160, 170, 180, 190 and 200 innings pitched.
All-Star and postseason bonus: $100,000 for being named to the All-Star team. An additional $50,000 for being the All-Star game starter. $500,000 for Cy Young. $400,000 for second in Cy Young; $300,000 for third in Cy Young; $100,000 for World Series MVP; $1 million for a Cy Young vote (first, second or third).
Conditioning Bonus: $333,333 for each of six weigh-ins per year.
Other: Six season tickets to State Street Pavilion at Fenway Park in lieu of outdoor seating; suite for every home game start and charitable events; use of team uniform for charitable events; day-care for all home games.
Plus: $500,000 if traded.
