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Scott Walker WI governor vs the Packers & teachers (2 Viewers)
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Eric Stratton
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You missed this part..."But there is no indication that Koch Industries would profit from the deal".
Eric Stratton
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Mr.Pack
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New here?
cr8f
Footballguy
Geez it could get worse
Some complaints I see on the left are pretty petty but some of this plays right into the hands of those complaining about Walker.
STEVEN VERBURG | sverburg@madison.com | 608-252-6118 | Posted: Monday, March 14, 2011 6:24 pm
The lead lawyer for the state agency in charge of settling state labor-management disputes would become a political appointee under a proposal included in Gov. Scott Walker's biennial budget, a change critics say injects political influence into an agency that is supposed to be impartial.
As a political appointee, the general counsel for the Wisconsin Employment Relations Commission could be fired more easily, making it more difficult to give impartial advice to the commission, unions and state agencies, said George Fleischli, a Madison lawyer and arbitrator who held the position when it was created in 1975.
"It puts this person is a very difficult position ethically," Fleischli said.
Cullen Werwie, a Walker spokesman, said the governor believes it's "reasonable to have general counsels be appointed positions" and dismissed concerns that the change would erode confidence in the commission's impartiality.
The commission administers the state's collective bargaining laws, including making rulings on unfair labor practices complaints, such as the one the Wisconsin State Employees Union filed Feb. 28 against Walker, claiming he was refusing to negotiate on a new contract.
For some 35,000 state employees who will be losing most of their bargaining authority this month under a measure Walker signed last week, it will be the final arbiter in disputes that were previously covered under contract provisions.
Walker said those employees will be protected by existing civil service protections, which include the right to appeal to the WERC. The agency also handles appeals filed by nonunion employees who dispute serious disciplinary actions.
The current general counsel, Peter Davis, has held the position as a career civil servant since 1981, which has enabled him to give impartial advice on highly controversial issues without fear of reprisals, said commission chair Judy Neumann.
"Being a civil servant, he doesn't have to worry about whether we're going to agree with him or going to get upset with him, and we really need that," Neumann said.
Neumann and Will Stricker, who was appointed in 1989 by Republican Gov. Tommy Thompson, said the change could lead to a perception that the agency is partisan.
"I would hope the governor wouldn't exert that kind of influence, said Stricker, who served until 1995.
The counsel is hired by the chair of the three-member commission. Walker can appoint two members and name a new chair, Neumann said.
Commissioners' terms are for six years with terms staggered to reduce the odds the agency can become the creature of any one governor, Neumann said.
Walker removed civil service protection from 37 other agency lawyers and communications specialists in a budget repair bill announced Feb. 11. The governor already has control of hiring and firing of about 70. Davis is the only one added to the list in the biennial budget, which was announced March 1.
Davis said he suspects the proposal to change the status of his post may be the result of frank statements he has made to legislators and the media about the potential of Walker's plans to cripple public sector unions. Werwie denied that the change was retaliatory and said at least two such changes were inadvertently omitted from the repair bill.
Some complaints I see on the left are pretty petty but some of this plays right into the hands of those complaining about Walker.
STEVEN VERBURG | sverburg@madison.com | 608-252-6118 | Posted: Monday, March 14, 2011 6:24 pm
The lead lawyer for the state agency in charge of settling state labor-management disputes would become a political appointee under a proposal included in Gov. Scott Walker's biennial budget, a change critics say injects political influence into an agency that is supposed to be impartial.
As a political appointee, the general counsel for the Wisconsin Employment Relations Commission could be fired more easily, making it more difficult to give impartial advice to the commission, unions and state agencies, said George Fleischli, a Madison lawyer and arbitrator who held the position when it was created in 1975.
"It puts this person is a very difficult position ethically," Fleischli said.
Cullen Werwie, a Walker spokesman, said the governor believes it's "reasonable to have general counsels be appointed positions" and dismissed concerns that the change would erode confidence in the commission's impartiality.
The commission administers the state's collective bargaining laws, including making rulings on unfair labor practices complaints, such as the one the Wisconsin State Employees Union filed Feb. 28 against Walker, claiming he was refusing to negotiate on a new contract.
For some 35,000 state employees who will be losing most of their bargaining authority this month under a measure Walker signed last week, it will be the final arbiter in disputes that were previously covered under contract provisions.
Walker said those employees will be protected by existing civil service protections, which include the right to appeal to the WERC. The agency also handles appeals filed by nonunion employees who dispute serious disciplinary actions.
The current general counsel, Peter Davis, has held the position as a career civil servant since 1981, which has enabled him to give impartial advice on highly controversial issues without fear of reprisals, said commission chair Judy Neumann.
"Being a civil servant, he doesn't have to worry about whether we're going to agree with him or going to get upset with him, and we really need that," Neumann said.
Neumann and Will Stricker, who was appointed in 1989 by Republican Gov. Tommy Thompson, said the change could lead to a perception that the agency is partisan.
"I would hope the governor wouldn't exert that kind of influence, said Stricker, who served until 1995.
The counsel is hired by the chair of the three-member commission. Walker can appoint two members and name a new chair, Neumann said.
Commissioners' terms are for six years with terms staggered to reduce the odds the agency can become the creature of any one governor, Neumann said.
Walker removed civil service protection from 37 other agency lawyers and communications specialists in a budget repair bill announced Feb. 11. The governor already has control of hiring and firing of about 70. Davis is the only one added to the list in the biennial budget, which was announced March 1.
Davis said he suspects the proposal to change the status of his post may be the result of frank statements he has made to legislators and the media about the potential of Walker's plans to cripple public sector unions. Werwie denied that the change was retaliatory and said at least two such changes were inadvertently omitted from the repair bill.
timschochet
Footballguy
He's been posting arguments all along- some I agree with, some I don't. Some are absurd, but all of his posts are at least somewhat pertinent to the issues involved. This post has nothing to do with those issues, as far as I can tell.
Eric Stratton
Footballguy
http://www.lollie.com/happy/cutandpaste.html
How to Select, Cut, Copy, Paste, & Save anything you find on the Internet
This information is absolutely essential to web design. This page will guide you on how to ‘grab’ anything you find, hear, or see on the internet! It will take about five minutes to learn and it will save you untold hours of work just in the coming year alone. I consider it the most important thing I learned about the internet. I had been building this site by hand for six months before I even knew cutting and pasting were possible. Good grief! The following instructions were sent to me by a friend. They were so well written, I couldn't improve upon them.
The Value of the Right Mouse Button
One fear many new users to the internet have is actually clicking on something. Your never quite sure what’s going to happen! But there is one button that’s OK to click on anything, and that’s the right mouse button. Using the right mouse button will not initiate any action other than to open a drop-down or pop-up menu with your options in it (Cut, Copy, Paste, Save As.., Bookmark, etc.). Go on, give it a try! Right-click one of the graphics on this web page. Notice the pop-up menu? The right mouse button is the fastest way to cut, copy, paste, and save anything you find on the web. If you want the right-click to work with text, you need to select it first.
Selecting Text
Its easy to select text. Using the scissors icons below, left click just below the top pair of scissors. Keeping the left mouse button pressed, drag the mouse down to the bottom pair of scissors. Notice the text was ‘selected’. You can release the left mouse button and the text will remain selected.
This text is here for you to practice selecting.
You will know if its selected if the background turns dark and the text turns white.
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Using Hot Keys to Cut, Copy, Paste, and Undo
Once you have ‘selected’ your text, you can use the Hot Keys to cut, copy, or paste the selected text. Why use Hot Keys when I just explained the value of the right mouse button? Simple, sometimes its just more convenient not having to take your hands off the keyboard to perform these simple functions. Whether you use the Hot Keys or the right mouse button makes no difference other than your own personal preference.
The Windows Hot Keys are defined by the 'Control' (CTRL) button. On a MAC, the Hot Keys are defined by the ‘Command’ button. Holding down the Control or Command button and pressing the appropriate key will perform the corresponding action from the list below.
Windows Hot Keys
CTRL-X Cut
CTRL-C Copy
CTRL-V Paste
CTRL-Z Undo
Macintosh Hot Keys
Command-X Cut
Command-C Copy
Command-V Paste
Command-Z Undo
The ‘Undo’ function is very useful when you’ve just pasted some text where it wasn’t supposed to go. However, this undo function is limited and can only undo the last action performed (not a series of actions). Want to learn some more Hot Keys?
NOTE: You cannot ‘cut’ anything from a web page. Web pages can only be viewed, not edited. Instead, use the ‘copy’ command to place any selected text on your computer’s clipboard to be pasted later.
Saving Sounds and Graphics
Sounds and graphics are treated a little bit differently if you want to put a copy on your hard drive or disk. Instead of selecting and using hot keys like you would for text, you can use the right mouse button to get a drop-down menu with the ‘Save As...’ option in it. Just right click on any graphic on this site and try it!
Sounds are pretty much the same as graphics. If your not prompted to save the sound file when you click on it, then a small sound console should open up. Right click on the sound console for the drop-down menu to appear. Choose the ‘Save As..’ option and choose a location to save the file to.
Switching Between Applications
There is one last set of Hot Keys you will want to use to help make your cut, copy, and paste Hot Keys more useful. That is the ALT-TAB Hot Keys. By holding down the ALT button and hitting the TAB key, you can scroll through all the programs currently running on your computer. Whichever program you release the ALT key on will open for you to use. Go ahead and try it now! This is an especially useful trick if you want to cut and paste text from your web browser (like Netscape or Internet Explorer) to a text editor (like Notepad or SimpleText). Just select the text in your web browser, Copy it, ALT-TAB to switch to your text editor, Paste the copied text into the editor. Simple!
How to Select, Cut, Copy, Paste, & Save anything you find on the Internet
This information is absolutely essential to web design. This page will guide you on how to ‘grab’ anything you find, hear, or see on the internet! It will take about five minutes to learn and it will save you untold hours of work just in the coming year alone. I consider it the most important thing I learned about the internet. I had been building this site by hand for six months before I even knew cutting and pasting were possible. Good grief! The following instructions were sent to me by a friend. They were so well written, I couldn't improve upon them.
The Value of the Right Mouse Button
One fear many new users to the internet have is actually clicking on something. Your never quite sure what’s going to happen! But there is one button that’s OK to click on anything, and that’s the right mouse button. Using the right mouse button will not initiate any action other than to open a drop-down or pop-up menu with your options in it (Cut, Copy, Paste, Save As.., Bookmark, etc.). Go on, give it a try! Right-click one of the graphics on this web page. Notice the pop-up menu? The right mouse button is the fastest way to cut, copy, paste, and save anything you find on the web. If you want the right-click to work with text, you need to select it first.
Selecting Text
Its easy to select text. Using the scissors icons below, left click just below the top pair of scissors. Keeping the left mouse button pressed, drag the mouse down to the bottom pair of scissors. Notice the text was ‘selected’. You can release the left mouse button and the text will remain selected.
This text is here for you to practice selecting.
You will know if its selected if the background turns dark and the text turns white.
Now repeat the above steps, but click in the middle of one of the sentences and drag the mouse left or right. Notice how only half the sentence is selected? You can select as little or as much text as you want to cut, copy, or paste. You can select text from the top-down, bottom-up, left to right, or right to left.
Using Hot Keys to Cut, Copy, Paste, and Undo
Once you have ‘selected’ your text, you can use the Hot Keys to cut, copy, or paste the selected text. Why use Hot Keys when I just explained the value of the right mouse button? Simple, sometimes its just more convenient not having to take your hands off the keyboard to perform these simple functions. Whether you use the Hot Keys or the right mouse button makes no difference other than your own personal preference.
The Windows Hot Keys are defined by the 'Control' (CTRL) button. On a MAC, the Hot Keys are defined by the ‘Command’ button. Holding down the Control or Command button and pressing the appropriate key will perform the corresponding action from the list below.
Windows Hot Keys
CTRL-X Cut
CTRL-C Copy
CTRL-V Paste
CTRL-Z Undo
Macintosh Hot Keys
Command-X Cut
Command-C Copy
Command-V Paste
Command-Z Undo
The ‘Undo’ function is very useful when you’ve just pasted some text where it wasn’t supposed to go. However, this undo function is limited and can only undo the last action performed (not a series of actions). Want to learn some more Hot Keys?
NOTE: You cannot ‘cut’ anything from a web page. Web pages can only be viewed, not edited. Instead, use the ‘copy’ command to place any selected text on your computer’s clipboard to be pasted later.
Saving Sounds and Graphics
Sounds and graphics are treated a little bit differently if you want to put a copy on your hard drive or disk. Instead of selecting and using hot keys like you would for text, you can use the right mouse button to get a drop-down menu with the ‘Save As...’ option in it. Just right click on any graphic on this site and try it!
Sounds are pretty much the same as graphics. If your not prompted to save the sound file when you click on it, then a small sound console should open up. Right click on the sound console for the drop-down menu to appear. Choose the ‘Save As..’ option and choose a location to save the file to.
Switching Between Applications
There is one last set of Hot Keys you will want to use to help make your cut, copy, and paste Hot Keys more useful. That is the ALT-TAB Hot Keys. By holding down the ALT button and hitting the TAB key, you can scroll through all the programs currently running on your computer. Whichever program you release the ALT key on will open for you to use. Go ahead and try it now! This is an especially useful trick if you want to cut and paste text from your web browser (like Netscape or Internet Explorer) to a text editor (like Notepad or SimpleText). Just select the text in your web browser, Copy it, ALT-TAB to switch to your text editor, Paste the copied text into the editor. Simple!
Eric Stratton
Footballguy
No they aren't, Timmy. The majority of them are worthless.
cr8f
Footballguy
Walkers OP ED in the Wa Post today(un-edited)
Striking the right bargain in Wisconsin
By Scott Walker, Wednesday, March 16, 8:11 PM
Imagine the outrage if government workers did not have collective bargaining for wages and benefits. Consider the massive protests that would be staged by labor leaders all across the country.
Think I’m talking about Wisconsin? No, I’m talking about the federal government.
Contrary to what the Obama administration would lead you to believe, most employees of the federal government do not have collective bargaining for wages and benefits. That means the budget reform plan we signed into law in Wisconsin on Friday is more generous than what President Obama offers federal employees.
Our reform plan calls for a 5.8 percent pension contribution from government workers, including myself, and a 12.6 percent health insurance premium payment. Both are well below what middle-class, private-sector workers pay. Federal workers, however, pay an average of 28 percent of health insurance costs.
It’s enough to make you wonder why there are no protesters circling the White House.
My brother is a banquet manager and occasional bartender at a hotel. He pays nearly $800 a month for his family’s health insurance and can put away only a little bit toward his 401(k). He would love the plan I’m offering to public employees.
As my brother recognizes, our plan is a good deal for government workers when compared with what other middle-class workers are paying for benefits. It would be a great deal for federal workers.
Nearly every state in the country is facing a large budget deficit, just like the federal government. Many states are cutting billions of dollars in funding for schools and local governments, resulting in massive layoffs or massive property tax increases — or both.
In Wisconsin, we are choosing a different way. The Wisconsin way allows local governments to balance the budget through reasonable benefit contributions. These reasonable contributions will save local governments almost $1.5 billion.
The financial savings in our budget reforms will protect 1,500 jobs this fiscal year and 10,000 jobs over the next two years. The savings come from giving state and local governments the tools to manage benefit costs through collective bargaining reform.
Some have questioned the need to reform collective bargaining. After all, they say, the union bosses in Washington said publicly that their workers were ready to pay a little bit more for their benefits. But the truth is that as the national union bosses were saying one thing, their locals were doing something entirely different. Over the past several weeks, local unions across Wisconsin have pursued contracts without new pension or health insurance contributions. Some have even pushed through pay increases.
Their actions leave one wondering how tone-deaf and out of touch union bosses are with what’s happening in the private sector. Even the president instituted a pay freeze on government workers this year, something he was able to do only because federal employees enjoy fewer collective bargaining rights than do Wisconsin workers — even with our recent reforms.
Beyond balancing budgets, our reforms give schools — as well as state and local governments — the tools to improve their operations. We allow them to reward merit and performance instead of facing the barriers of collective bargaining that all too often block innovation and reform. Because of our reforms, government will become more efficient and effective for the people.
Ultimately, our budget repair bill is about the next generation. We are making the difficult decisions now so that our children don’t have to make even more difficult choices to balance the budget we left them.
A lot of people have made their voices heard during this debate, including the president and the union bosses. But middle-class taxpayers who want a government that works for them also deserve a voice. Now they have one.
The writer, a Republican, is governor of Wisconsin.
Striking the right bargain in Wisconsin
By Scott Walker, Wednesday, March 16, 8:11 PM
Imagine the outrage if government workers did not have collective bargaining for wages and benefits. Consider the massive protests that would be staged by labor leaders all across the country.
Think I’m talking about Wisconsin? No, I’m talking about the federal government.
Contrary to what the Obama administration would lead you to believe, most employees of the federal government do not have collective bargaining for wages and benefits. That means the budget reform plan we signed into law in Wisconsin on Friday is more generous than what President Obama offers federal employees.
Our reform plan calls for a 5.8 percent pension contribution from government workers, including myself, and a 12.6 percent health insurance premium payment. Both are well below what middle-class, private-sector workers pay. Federal workers, however, pay an average of 28 percent of health insurance costs.
It’s enough to make you wonder why there are no protesters circling the White House.
My brother is a banquet manager and occasional bartender at a hotel. He pays nearly $800 a month for his family’s health insurance and can put away only a little bit toward his 401(k). He would love the plan I’m offering to public employees.
As my brother recognizes, our plan is a good deal for government workers when compared with what other middle-class workers are paying for benefits. It would be a great deal for federal workers.
Nearly every state in the country is facing a large budget deficit, just like the federal government. Many states are cutting billions of dollars in funding for schools and local governments, resulting in massive layoffs or massive property tax increases — or both.
In Wisconsin, we are choosing a different way. The Wisconsin way allows local governments to balance the budget through reasonable benefit contributions. These reasonable contributions will save local governments almost $1.5 billion.
The financial savings in our budget reforms will protect 1,500 jobs this fiscal year and 10,000 jobs over the next two years. The savings come from giving state and local governments the tools to manage benefit costs through collective bargaining reform.
Some have questioned the need to reform collective bargaining. After all, they say, the union bosses in Washington said publicly that their workers were ready to pay a little bit more for their benefits. But the truth is that as the national union bosses were saying one thing, their locals were doing something entirely different. Over the past several weeks, local unions across Wisconsin have pursued contracts without new pension or health insurance contributions. Some have even pushed through pay increases.
Their actions leave one wondering how tone-deaf and out of touch union bosses are with what’s happening in the private sector. Even the president instituted a pay freeze on government workers this year, something he was able to do only because federal employees enjoy fewer collective bargaining rights than do Wisconsin workers — even with our recent reforms.
Beyond balancing budgets, our reforms give schools — as well as state and local governments — the tools to improve their operations. We allow them to reward merit and performance instead of facing the barriers of collective bargaining that all too often block innovation and reform. Because of our reforms, government will become more efficient and effective for the people.
Ultimately, our budget repair bill is about the next generation. We are making the difficult decisions now so that our children don’t have to make even more difficult choices to balance the budget we left them.
A lot of people have made their voices heard during this debate, including the president and the union bosses. But middle-class taxpayers who want a government that works for them also deserve a voice. Now they have one.
The writer, a Republican, is governor of Wisconsin.
bueno
In a class by himself
I have ties too, but I only wear them to weddings and funerals.
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
Agreed. I think he posted that by mistake.I'm betting that post disappears soon.Very well written by the Governor to show his points.
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
Ooopps, now he can't delete it
Sarnoff
Footballguy
They're the boogeyman.
cr8f
Footballguy
POliticians should really spend a day with a teacher or a farmer or other workers when they pass laws that affect thenm greatly.
A Day in the Life of an MPS Union Thug
I wake up at 5:30, shower, and get ready for work.
I leave for work at 6:15.
I arrive at 6:45.
I straighten up my classroom from yesterday’s tasks.
I check to see that all of my materials and lessons are ready for the day.
I make photocopies and check to see that all of the technology is working.
Children start arriving in my classroom at 7:30 with their breakfast. I am there with them while they eat. (It happens to be a great time to bond with some of my less fortunate children).
The rest of my children arrive at 7:45.
I have 30 desks and 32 children. Some of them need to share.
During the day I teach them about reading, writing, math, science, social studies, art, music, physical education, health, and technology. (Our specials were cut several years ago. We teach them now).
To make sure I am an effective teacher I not only use the teacher’s manuals but I:
Analyze test scores
Differentiate instruction to meet the needs of each individual child
Supplement and alter the lessons so they are engaging to my children and so I can reach all types of learning styles
Follow the district curriculum
Align the lessons with the State Standards
Find time to work with my children that are 1 or more grade levels below where they should be
Find a way to challenge the children that are 1 or more grade levels above where the rest are
Conference with individual children about their progress and help them set personal goals
Integrate technology into each lesson to keep up with the 21st century learning initiatives (even though we don’t have enough for each child to use)
Find ways to make the lessons reach the top levels of Bloom’s Taxonomy to develop higher level thinking among my children
Continues here
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This is the hearing I referred to earlier(that will be held tomorrow). This could be big. If they have to submit the bill again it may not pass.
Judge To Decide Emergency Block On Union Law
MADISON, Wis. -- A Wisconsin judge said she'll decide on Friday whether to issue an emergency order blocking publication of the state's new collective bargaining law.
Dane County District Attorney Ismael Ozanne filed a lawsuit on Wednesday accusing Republican legislative leaders of violating Wisconsin's open meetings law during the rushed run-up to a Senate vote on the measure last week. He said he wants a judge to block publication of the law so the case can be heard before the measure takes effect.
Judge Maryann Sumi had originally scheduled a hearing for Thursday morning, but pushed it back to Friday. Ozanne said he has as many as 20 witnesses lined up.
A Day in the Life of an MPS Union Thug
I wake up at 5:30, shower, and get ready for work.
I leave for work at 6:15.
I arrive at 6:45.
I straighten up my classroom from yesterday’s tasks.
I check to see that all of my materials and lessons are ready for the day.
I make photocopies and check to see that all of the technology is working.
Children start arriving in my classroom at 7:30 with their breakfast. I am there with them while they eat. (It happens to be a great time to bond with some of my less fortunate children).
The rest of my children arrive at 7:45.
I have 30 desks and 32 children. Some of them need to share.
During the day I teach them about reading, writing, math, science, social studies, art, music, physical education, health, and technology. (Our specials were cut several years ago. We teach them now).
To make sure I am an effective teacher I not only use the teacher’s manuals but I:
Analyze test scores
Differentiate instruction to meet the needs of each individual child
Supplement and alter the lessons so they are engaging to my children and so I can reach all types of learning styles
Follow the district curriculum
Align the lessons with the State Standards
Find time to work with my children that are 1 or more grade levels below where they should be
Find a way to challenge the children that are 1 or more grade levels above where the rest are
Conference with individual children about their progress and help them set personal goals
Integrate technology into each lesson to keep up with the 21st century learning initiatives (even though we don’t have enough for each child to use)
Find ways to make the lessons reach the top levels of Bloom’s Taxonomy to develop higher level thinking among my children
Continues here
___________________________________________
This is the hearing I referred to earlier(that will be held tomorrow). This could be big. If they have to submit the bill again it may not pass.
Judge To Decide Emergency Block On Union Law
MADISON, Wis. -- A Wisconsin judge said she'll decide on Friday whether to issue an emergency order blocking publication of the state's new collective bargaining law.
Dane County District Attorney Ismael Ozanne filed a lawsuit on Wednesday accusing Republican legislative leaders of violating Wisconsin's open meetings law during the rushed run-up to a Senate vote on the measure last week. He said he wants a judge to block publication of the law so the case can be heard before the measure takes effect.
Judge Maryann Sumi had originally scheduled a hearing for Thursday morning, but pushed it back to Friday. Ozanne said he has as many as 20 witnesses lined up.
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Mr.Pack
Footballguy
What does their schedule look like from early June to early Sept?
I get up and 5am every day and am at work by 7, leave by 5.
So what?
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Sarnoff
Footballguy
Road Warriors
Footballguy
A good writeup of what a good teacher does. This sort of teacher is the type that should be able to be rewarded with a merit system that takes care of its best & brightest, not tied to the union demands of tenure and last in / first out. The short term budget help being asked of all government union employees ( contribution to pension & healthcare ) is a painful, yet necessary measure for the welfare of the state. However, the removal of CB from the unions is a step in the right direction to allow the education system to shift to a merit based pay system.
sho nuff
Footballguy
And for that they make an average of $51k per year in Wisconsin (salary).That is not unlike anyone else in this country who pulls in that type of cash, doesn't get Summers off, Spring Break, Fall Break, Christmas/Winter Break...and who pays more for retirement and insurance.
Don't take this as bashing teachers...just tired of the crying woe is me in stuff like this.
As for the block...from what I read, that judge will likely block it...republicans are already gearing up for the appeal that some suspect they will easily win.
cr8f
Footballguy
Hey I'm just relaying stories on my state. What's being done here may very well affect the whole country. If you're not interested ignore the thread.
Here's an update on the damge they claimed was done to the stone a few weeks ago.
On March 3, the agency's top lawyer claimed that protesters caused $7.5 million in damage to the Capitol, mostly to marble from the tape holding on signs and banners. Hastings notes that this claim was "flashed across the country" before being revised downward the next day to as little as $347,000.
On Monday, March 7, after the signs were all removed, DOA spokeswoman Carla Vigue said the agency was bringing in an "outside expert [to] determine the amount and nature of the work that will be needed to be done to bring the marble to its prior condition." On March 9, she said "it may be several days" before this information is in hand.
Now, well more than several days later, no further information has been provided. "Still working on it," said Vigue on Tuesday.
Jacob Arndt has a pretty good idea how much damage to the marble was actually caused: None at all.
Arndt owns Northwestern Masonry and Stone, a Lake Mills-based company that he says "does consultation work and has contracts with the state of Wisconsin." He toured the Capitol early this month with a DOA staffer, inspecting the various types of stone: Kasota-Mankato, Wausau red granite, Dakota red granite, verde jade.
"I looked at each of these types of stones," says Arndt. His conclusion: The painter's tape used to affix signs left "little or no residue" anywhere. The worst problem he saw was some residue where media had taped cords to the floor, but even this was easily removed with simple cleaning agents.
"There's no damage to the stone," says Arndt, who has been back in the building several times since, verifying this finding. He says the DOA official who showed him around agrees even the lower cost estimate is "completely ridiculous and politically inspired."
Here's an update on the damge they claimed was done to the stone a few weeks ago.
On March 3, the agency's top lawyer claimed that protesters caused $7.5 million in damage to the Capitol, mostly to marble from the tape holding on signs and banners. Hastings notes that this claim was "flashed across the country" before being revised downward the next day to as little as $347,000.
On Monday, March 7, after the signs were all removed, DOA spokeswoman Carla Vigue said the agency was bringing in an "outside expert [to] determine the amount and nature of the work that will be needed to be done to bring the marble to its prior condition." On March 9, she said "it may be several days" before this information is in hand.
Now, well more than several days later, no further information has been provided. "Still working on it," said Vigue on Tuesday.
Jacob Arndt has a pretty good idea how much damage to the marble was actually caused: None at all.
Arndt owns Northwestern Masonry and Stone, a Lake Mills-based company that he says "does consultation work and has contracts with the state of Wisconsin." He toured the Capitol early this month with a DOA staffer, inspecting the various types of stone: Kasota-Mankato, Wausau red granite, Dakota red granite, verde jade.
"I looked at each of these types of stones," says Arndt. His conclusion: The painter's tape used to affix signs left "little or no residue" anywhere. The worst problem he saw was some residue where media had taped cords to the floor, but even this was easily removed with simple cleaning agents.
"There's no damage to the stone," says Arndt, who has been back in the building several times since, verifying this finding. He says the DOA official who showed him around agrees even the lower cost estimate is "completely ridiculous and politically inspired."
The Kerminator
Footballguy
cr8f
Footballguy
At a press conference yesterday with school boards only one school board was allowed in-Walker's starting to seem like how George W Bush's meetings were run.
There were plenty of school board members and administrators at the Capitol, all right. But at the press conference there was just one district represented - New Berlin - with district Superintendent Paul Kreutzer and three other representatives from the suburban community near Milwaukee, including the district's attorney, its school board president and its financial officer.
Kreutzer thanked the governor, as did the rest of the folks from New Berlin, for those tools the governor mentions so often when he talks about his plan for education.
According to Kreutzer, New Berlin will avoid making any staff cuts this year and will also be able to turn from "a teaching focus to a learning focus," with "no bureaucracy in the way." I'm not exactly sure what this means, but I suspect it may have something to do with another Walker mantra about public schools, which is making certain that only the "best and the brightest" are put in front of classrooms. It's code, I guess, for firing teachers who someone determines are sub-par.
While Kreutzer and the New Berlin folks were praising what Walker had done for their district, outside the door there were dozens of other school board members from across Wisconsin. They didn't have such rosy things to say about the impact of the budget on their communities, and they weren't allowed into the press conference. Their hope was to talk with reporters as they exited the meeting, they said.
I contacted the Governor's office by email after the event to ask why there weren't more school board reps allowed into the press conference but did not get a reply.
There were plenty of school board members and administrators at the Capitol, all right. But at the press conference there was just one district represented - New Berlin - with district Superintendent Paul Kreutzer and three other representatives from the suburban community near Milwaukee, including the district's attorney, its school board president and its financial officer.
Kreutzer thanked the governor, as did the rest of the folks from New Berlin, for those tools the governor mentions so often when he talks about his plan for education.
According to Kreutzer, New Berlin will avoid making any staff cuts this year and will also be able to turn from "a teaching focus to a learning focus," with "no bureaucracy in the way." I'm not exactly sure what this means, but I suspect it may have something to do with another Walker mantra about public schools, which is making certain that only the "best and the brightest" are put in front of classrooms. It's code, I guess, for firing teachers who someone determines are sub-par.
While Kreutzer and the New Berlin folks were praising what Walker had done for their district, outside the door there were dozens of other school board members from across Wisconsin. They didn't have such rosy things to say about the impact of the budget on their communities, and they weren't allowed into the press conference. Their hope was to talk with reporters as they exited the meeting, they said.
I contacted the Governor's office by email after the event to ask why there weren't more school board reps allowed into the press conference but did not get a reply.
Phase of the Game
Footballguy
No you are not, you are purposefully posting the most one-sided stories with god-awful anti-governor slant which are unreadable and some are completely nuts conspiracy crap. Exactly the kind of manipulated facts that earlier in this thread proclaimed you can't stand.
Flying Spaghetti Monster
Footballguy
Wrong on both counts. I post stories from a variety of news sources.You, stat and your Jim11 alias all do the same thing.
cr8f
Footballguy
The hearing on whether the open meetings law was violated and whether what they passed was non fiscal(a requirement for how they passed the law) is going on now.
Open meetings requires a 24 hour notice or 2 hours in an emergency but heard neither was met.
Atty for defense (Walkers side) just mentioned a $37.5 million detriment to state if bill is not published.
That sounds fiscal.
Court recessed for 10 minutes-by the judges comments before the recess it doesn't look good for instituting the 2 hour rule. It doesn't look good for Walkers sidse.
Of course if thrown out they can modify the law or just vote on it again tomorrow or monday(I believe).
Open meetings requires a 24 hour notice or 2 hours in an emergency but heard neither was met.
Atty for defense (Walkers side) just mentioned a $37.5 million detriment to state if bill is not published.
That sounds fiscal.
Court recessed for 10 minutes-by the judges comments before the recess it doesn't look good for instituting the 2 hour rule. It doesn't look good for Walkers sidse.
Of course if thrown out they can modify the law or just vote on it again tomorrow or monday(I believe).
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Again...here is my guess based on where this hearing is..."your" side wins this one...you jump in proclaiming victory. However, on appeal, the governor wins out later and its made a binding law....you cry foul.
cr8f
Footballguy
Not at all. What I would like is the voters to decide if getting rid of collective bargaining is what they really want. I'd like to see a referendum, Walker never ran on that.My side is let the voters of the state decide this, but all we have right now is recalls. I wish they'd put it on the ballot.
Kleck
Footballguy
It could have been ours to begin with had it not been for the Toledo War compromise.Now is not the time to sell. We need to round up some cash and put a bid in on the UP.All issues would be resolved if Walker just sold Wisconsin to say, Canada... Then Health care cost will subside also!!
cr8f
Footballguy
Just heard a temporary restraining order against the republican move was ordered.
LINK
BREAKING: Wisconsin judge grants restraining order blocking enactment of Walker's anti-union bill!
What next? I'm not a lawyer but would think they could try and pass the original bill blocked by the democrats but need to have 24 hours notice.
LINK
BREAKING: Wisconsin judge grants restraining order blocking enactment of Walker's anti-union bill!
What next? I'm not a lawyer but would think they could try and pass the original bill blocked by the democrats but need to have 24 hours notice.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
He ran on fixing the budget without raising taxes.If you let the voters pick which cuts to make...no cuts would be made.
sho nuff
Footballguy
As I said...this was pretty much expected...next will come the appeal (which was speculated the republicans would win)...
Ookie Pringle
Footballguy
So does that mean a road trip to Illinois again for the Dems so they can hide?
snogger
Footballguy
No big shock.. anyone that says otherwsie doesn't pay attention to politics and the court systems..But I disagree on the appeal, as that could take weeks/months..
Screw that
Walker needs to call a special session for Monday to Re-vote.. IF the Democrats run again too bad, you will have had ample warning this time.
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Mr.Pack
Footballguy
No it means that the only thing that matters in this world is what the Democrats want.####### pathetic.
Why do they hold elections again?
What an absolute joke.
snogger
Footballguy
Whoa.. Have a Drink there pack and relax
It's just a Tempory injunction, the vote wasn't thrown out..Besides, it was a 99% chance this would happen.. It was held in Dane COunty after all..
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Mr.Pack
Footballguy
I know, but it's bull####.Run away like little babies, scream kick your feet and pound your fists, and get your way.Whoa.. Have a Drink there pack and relax
Besides, it was a 99% chance this would happen.. It was held in Dane COunty after all..
Pathetic.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
The never ran on it stuff is so tired and useless that it's basically gotten to the point that the people saying it have no voice worth listening to. The voters did decide. There was an election. Elections have consequences. This is not a direct democracy.
snogger
Footballguy
He ran on fixing the Budget, Collective Barginning is part of the budget, which is why even the only state that voted for Mondale is looking to reel them in. 
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
I don't think it's tired at all. There's a reasonable expectation that politicians will outline their intentions prior to voting, and if they take up an extreme position following the election they should be prepared to face an extreme backlash. I'm not even a particular fan of public unions, but anyone who doesn't recognize why this is too important an issue to obfuscate with balancing a state budget is being either intentionally or unintentionally obtuse.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
hmmm... Sounds just like the Republicans re: healthcare reform. At least they managed to torpedo any chance that we might actually get a system in place that is affordable for the long term. Oh wait.I know, but it's bull####.Run away like little babies, scream kick your feet and pound your fists, and get your way.Whoa.. Have a Drink there pack and relax
Besides, it was a 99% chance this would happen.. It was held in Dane COunty after all..
Pathetic.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
It's not an extreme postition. Most states don't have it and neither does the federal government. The extreme actions have been taken by the democratic party.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
If it's not an extreme position, why didn't he bring it up during months of campaigning? It's the first thing he did to allegedly start balancing the budget (after cutting taxes to make the deficits worse of course). Seems like he might have thought to bring it up if it's not a controversial or extreme action.
Schlzm
Footballguy
Which country did the R's flee to during the healthcare voting process? I forget. Also they surely had to have taken some of their D brethren with them because if I recall the leadership had to basically use loophole after loophole with some very shell gameish tactics to get it on the President's desk to be signed.Schlzmhmmm... Sounds just like the Republicans re: healthcare reform. At least they managed to torpedo any chance that we might actually get a system in place that is affordable for the long term. Oh wait.I know, but it's bull####.Run away like little babies, scream kick your feet and pound your fists, and get your way.Whoa.. Have a Drink there pack and relax
Besides, it was a 99% chance this would happen.. It was held in Dane COunty after all..
Pathetic.
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