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Not NFL, but what about Oklahoma vs Oregon? Oregon went for an onside kick, touched the ball before ten yards, and then Oklahoma recovered the kick - with an Oklahoma player giving the ball to a ref. Yet, possession was awarded to Oregon.
Your point? Turns out we DID know the circumstances of the play and instead of ballgame over, it's 3rd and goal from the 10. And one wouldn't be happy with those results.
Sure...as long as I didn't find out later that a bonehead call nullified a turnover which would have ended the game.
Yawn...i never intended to mean u said it. i just intoned that u didnt understand it. I think u just like to argue and that is fine. My point was that there have been many calls ruined by the inadvertant whistle. If that hasnt measured up to your standards than fine. It was a bad call but there have been many that have been ruined by the inadvertant whistle. Is that a good enough sentence for you?
You betcha. You're wrong...but I understand the statement now at least.
I stand by my statement. You want to negate the effects of that bad call? Stop the offense. They did NOT do everything they are supposed to do. On 4th down they're supposed to stop the offense from scoring. On the two-point conversion they're supposed to stop the offense from scoring. If they had done EITHER of those things they win the game. The offense had to score twice in two consecutive plays...and they did just that. The bad call didn't give Denver any points, and I'm sure the Chargers worked on their end zone defense after week 1. Not enough, I guess. They still lost, and it's because they failed to stop the offense on the two plays that mattered most.
That's odd, because Denver is better than a decent high school offense and the Chargers defense stopped them in the last minute of the game.
Well my job is done than. At least you understand, however I am not wrong!! While this call was a bad one, there have been many calls caused by inadvertant whistles that have been as bad as this one!! I really dont think many outside of SD and thier fans will argue with me.
When did the Charger's defense stop them in the last minute? I hope you're not talking about the ball slipping out of Cutler's hands because the defense didn't do that.
Bledsoe to Jefferson in NE, out of bounds, a yard short of the 1st down, ruled a catch and a 1st down. Followed by the only PI call on a hail marry in NFL history.
Oh, I know that many plays have been fowled up by inadvertant whistles. You're right about that. But most blown calls don't automatically end the ballgame right then and there with a different result if the ref gets them right. This one did. Which makes it 10 times worse than just a random, run-of-the-mill inadvertant whistle in the 2nd quarter.Gotta go - take care.
Good teams overcome bad calls.
One call can have a team lose an otherwise close game. How will it make them lose the rest to prevent them from making the playoffs? If SD continues to give up points like they did today THEY will make themselves miss the playoffs.I didn't see the call but maybe LT (Limpy Toe) having a miserable day cost them the game.
Are you suggesting that the defense would have given up 10 yards in two plays for the TD, and then a 2-point conversion, even if the correct call had been made? If not, then the bad call did make that happen.That said, I'm not all that bitter about the end of the game. The Chargers got lucky that Cutler goofed, then unlucky that the refs goofed. There are still 14 more games left to play, so the Chargers can still control their own fate.
If self-inflicted errors didn't count, the history of the league would be vastly different. Should the Browns have gotten another chance to score after the Earnest Byner fumble? Would Denver have stopped them? How do you know they would've "deserved" to win since they weren't forced to make extra stops after they already won the game?Should the Jackie Smith drop in the endzone count because the Steelers D didn't "stop" them?Should the entire Cowboys-Colts SB be replayed because it was an abortion of a game?Denver lost and the ref gave them the game and it's not debatable.
As i said it was a bad call...I just dont think u can throw it up against as one of the worst of all time. It is just a matter of opinion and u struck a nerve. Oh well!! I actually am a "secondary" charger fan and was rooting for them. Hopefully LT and Co get it together and take the division!!
It used to be that whenever the whistle blew, nothing that happened after that would count -- period.But I thought I remembered reading somewhere that that rule would be changed in either 2007 or 2008. (I think it was last year, but I'm not sure.) I forget the exact language. I may check the rules later. But I thought that action immediately following the whistle that was in the natural flow of the action (or something like that -- basically, all players just following through without having a chance to react to the whistle) would count if the replay showed that the whistle shouldn't have been blown. Today's situation would have fit in that category since the Charger LB picked up the ball immediately after the whistle was blown and nobody else had a shot at it.It's possible that I'm remembering a proposed rule (that didn't pass) rather than an actual rule change.
Get a grip. It was an inadvertent whistle. They happen. It is not like the ref made the wrong call. He blew the play dead too quickly. It was a human error.
Sometimes they do. Sometimes they don't.
Exactly, Denver would have lost. They would have 'gave' the game to San Diego would it have not been a blown call. The Chargers didn't force the fumble, they didn't stop them from scoring the touchdown (even after the play was then played out after the blown call). The point is they would have won because of a fluke anyway. They wouldn't have been in that situation could they have stopped Denver.
I believe it was initially ruled incomplete (which is why the ref blew the whistle). So the ref did make the wrong call.You're right that it was human error. That's why people are complaining.
How does Brandon Marshall have 18 catches if that game was only 1 play long? No crying in football, North. Your boys coulda won. They didn't.North said:
How about 2?
Do you think it is commonplace for bad calls to change the outcome of a game? If so, can you list some of those? If not, how can you not agree it is one of the worst calls ever?
While this is often true, I suspect you would be reacting differently if it was the Pats on the wrong end of this rather than the Chargers.
No, he made the wrong call. That he technically/correctly did/could not overturn that wrong call is unfortunate; but he did not make the right call. Anyway, the Jets having to play a pissed off team next week is certainly no skin off my back, so I think "my grip" is pretty solid. Just calling it as I see it.
You are wrong. There have not been many, if any, inadvertent whistles that changed the outcome of games. Can you name even one?
Interestingly, I imagine you would be, too.While this is often true, I suspect you would be reacting differently if it was the Pats on the wrong end of this rather than the Chargers.Good teams overcome bad calls.
Huh? He most certainly did make the wrong call. He even said so immediately following the replay review. In fact, there were 3 things wrong with the call:1. Ruling it a pass rather than a fumble.2. Not then seeing that would make it a backwards pass and thus a live ball.3. Blowing the play dead - even if he thought the first part was right, refs are supposed to let anything remotely questionable play out before blowing the whistle, especially in the last two minutes, where a team isn't forced to use its own challenge (and where a call is more likely to have a direct impact on the outcome of a close game).
See the NY Giants last year.....North said:
I wouldn't be as frustrated, but I wouldn't be throwing out trite quotes like "good teams overcome bad calls." I'd be equally critical of the refereeing and just happy it didn't happen to my team.Interestingly, I imagine you would be, too.While this is often true, I suspect you would be reacting differently if it was the Pats on the wrong end of this rather than the Chargers.
Do you know this for sure? I've heard announcers hint at this, but I'd be pressed to believe it with out some proof that this is how refs are instructed to call plays.
No, this will live forever like the "tuck" call. Every time a thread mentions the Broncos, someone will bring up the "inadvertent whistle" that propelled Denver to great success. Others will nod their head in agreement. Without really understanding why, people will hate Cutler and even Eddie Royal who both benefited from this call.For the record, certainly a bad break for San Diego but not really different from how NFL games routinely play out.
I rest my case.
I would rather not list bad calls that have affected the outcomes of games, for the most part, because I do not want to open up a can of worms, to where fans of teams that benefited jump into to defend the "bad call" or whatnot. I'll just say that I have seen a lot worst calls. And remember that if the ref doesn't blow the play dead and it WAS an incomplete pass, then everyone would be #####ing like there is no tomorrow if someone had gotten injured in the ensuing pileup that happened because the play wasn't correctly whistled dead. In the end, fine...it was a bad call. But that won't change the fact that the Broncos are 2-0.
No, saying the ref gave the Broncos the game is not having a solid grip. Yes, it was a bad call, but to suggest that the ref gave the game to the Broncos is ludicrous.
That wouldn't surprise me. They are still a very talented team, and they have an easier schedule this year than the Broncos do. And the Broncos defense is still a bit scary (and not in a good way).
Yeah Holmgren's crappy game mgmt and Steelers D had nothing to do with it right?
Yes I believe this started with last yr when the league emphasized to the refs to let plays like this play out and not blow their whistles so replay could be used to get the correct call.
Why do people always feel compelled to make these straw-man arguments? He said he had no rooting preference. Sure, the Steelers D played well. What does that have to do with the lopsided officiating?
Oh I don't know maybe because the Steelers dominated that Super Bowl and the Seahawks could not move the ball or stop the Steelers. But in today's society it is always easier to blame someone else instead of dealing with the truth. Carry on in your fanstasy land.
Lol "In today's society" - as if it's analogous to blaming one's wife/boss/parents for their problems/shortcomings in life. As a football fan with no rooting interest, it was a downer that the big game that year contained much less drama than it would've had the officials done their job. That is all. Pretty easy concept for anyone not wearing defensive/insecure black&gold blinders.
