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[biju]

What is Sherman's Harbaugh's problem exactly? If I'm a seahawks 49ers fan I'd be getting kind of annoyed at his antics. Is it really necessary to constantly spew about how no team can hang and how good the seahawks 49ers are and blah, blah. Dude seems like he's really insecure about ... something. Not trying to be facetious, he just seems a little too over the top where something doesn't quite seem right.

Perspective.

You gotta be kidding. I know Harbaugh has a "rep" in the media and they like to show him whine about penalties, but please show me where he has boasted about the 49ers being so superior to everyone else "Sherman-style". That runs completely counter to his entire "underdog" mentality which he preaches year in and year out.

Until then save the cute twist philosophy lesson for a situation that actually makes sense.

You're right. If I change that line to his incessant whining then it reads much more true. And by the way, when you quote "rep" it generally indicates you don't think that's his actual actions. It's too bad the evil media has footage to back up those lies.

 

[chinawildman]

What is Sherman's Harbaugh's problem exactly? If I'm a seahawks 49ers fan I'd be getting kind of annoyed at his antics. Is it really necessary to constantly spew about how no team can hang and how good the seahawks 49ers are and blah, blah. Dude seems like he's really insecure about ... something. Not trying to be facetious, he just seems a little too over the top where something doesn't quite seem right.

Perspective.

You gotta be kidding. I know Harbaugh has a "rep" in the media and they like to show him whine about penalties, but please show me where he has boasted about the 49ers being so superior to everyone else "Sherman-style". That runs completely counter to his entire "underdog" mentality which he preaches year in and year out.

Until then save the cute twist philosophy lesson for a situation that actually makes sense.

You're right. If I change that line to his incessant whining then it reads much more true. And by the way, when you quote "rep" it generally indicates you don't think that's his actual actions. It's too bad the evil media has footage to back up those lies.

That's rather presumptuous, I even said he's always shown whining about penalties, so obviously he's doing that. What else do you want? Everyone since the invention of officiating has whined about penalties, I'm not talking about Sherman complaining penalties, I'm referring to his incessant need to promote the awesomeness that is the seahawks to the media. The excuse-making about penalties is just a subset of a larger weirdness surrounding his behavior.

 

[cacksman]

What is Sherman's Harbaugh's problem exactly? If I'm a seahawks 49ers fan I'd be getting kind of annoyed at his antics. Is it really necessary to constantly spew about how no team can hang and how good the seahawks 49ers are and blah, blah. Dude seems like he's really insecure about ... something. Not trying to be facetious, he just seems a little too over the top where something doesn't quite seem right.

Perspective.

You gotta be kidding. I know Harbaugh has a "rep" in the media and they like to show him whine about penalties, but please show me where he has boasted about the 49ers being so superior to everyone else "Sherman-style". That runs completely counter to his entire "underdog" mentality which he preaches year in and year out.

Until then save the cute twist philosophy lesson for a situation that actually makes sense.

You're right. If I change that line to his incessant whining then it reads much more true. And by the way, when you quote "rep" it generally indicates you don't think that's his actual actions. It's too bad the evil media has footage to back up those lies.

That's rather presumptuous, I even said he's always shown whining about penalties, so obviously he's doing that. What else do you want? Everyone since the invention of officiating has whined about penalties, I'm not talking about Sherman complaining penalties, I'm referring to his incessant need to promote the awesomeness that is the seahawks to the media. The excuse-making about penalties is just a subset of a larger weirdness surrounding his behavior.

A year ago, Sherman had 8 INTs and didn't even make the pro bowl. This year I believe he leads ALL defenders in pro bowl voting. He's obviously doing something right. He's getting his name out there, he's done it his whole career.

 

[Warrior]

What is Sherman's Harbaugh's problem exactly? If I'm a seahawks 49ers fan I'd be getting kind of annoyed at his antics. Is it really necessary to constantly spew about how no team can hang and how good the seahawks 49ers are and blah, blah. Dude seems like he's really insecure about ... something. Not trying to be facetious, he just seems a little too over the top where something doesn't quite seem right.

Perspective.

You gotta be kidding. I know Harbaugh has a "rep" in the media and they like to show him whine about penalties, but please show me where he has boasted about the 49ers being so superior to everyone else "Sherman-style". That runs completely counter to his entire "underdog" mentality which he preaches year in and year out.

Until then save the cute twist philosophy lesson for a situation that actually makes sense.

You're right. If I change that line to his incessant whining then it reads much more true. And by the way, when you quote "rep" it generally indicates you don't think that's his actual actions. It's too bad the evil media has footage to back up those lies.

That's rather presumptuous, I even said he's always shown whining about penalties, so obviously he's doing that. What else do you want? Everyone since the invention of officiating has whined about penalties, I'm not talking about Sherman complaining penalties, I'm referring to his incessant need to promote the awesomeness that is the seahawks to the media. The excuse-making about penalties is just a subset of a larger weirdness surrounding his behavior.

A year ago, Sherman had 8 INTs and didn't even make the pro bowl. This year I believe he leads ALL defenders in pro bowl voting. He's obviously doing something right. He's getting his name out there, he's done it his whole career.

Banned substances + a big mouth make a good recipe for the Pro Bowl, unfortunately. It's also a good recipe for an insecure person and bodes poorly for his post-football career. I predict severe depression leading to a lawsuit against the NFL. Good luck Sherm.

 

[biju]

What is Sherman's Harbaugh's problem exactly? If I'm a seahawks 49ers fan I'd be getting kind of annoyed at his antics. Is it really necessary to constantly spew about how no team can hang and how good the seahawks 49ers are and blah, blah. Dude seems like he's really insecure about ... something. Not trying to be facetious, he just seems a little too over the top where something doesn't quite seem right.

Perspective.

You gotta be kidding. I know Harbaugh has a "rep" in the media and they like to show him whine about penalties, but please show me where he has boasted about the 49ers being so superior to everyone else "Sherman-style". That runs completely counter to his entire "underdog" mentality which he preaches year in and year out.

Until then save the cute twist philosophy lesson for a situation that actually makes sense.

You're right. If I change that line to his incessant whining then it reads much more true. And by the way, when you quote "rep" it generally indicates you don't think that's his actual actions. It's too bad the evil media has footage to back up those lies.

That's rather presumptuous, I even said he's always shown whining about penalties, so obviously he's doing that. What else do you want? Everyone since the invention of officiating has whined about penalties, I'm not talking about Sherman complaining penalties, I'm referring to his incessant need to promote the awesomeness that is the seahawks to the media. The excuse-making about penalties is just a subset of a larger weirdness surrounding his behavior.

A year ago, Sherman had 8 INTs and didn't even make the pro bowl. This year I believe he leads ALL defenders in pro bowl voting. He's obviously doing something right. He's getting his name out there, he's done it his whole career.

Banned substances + a big mouth make a good recipe for the Pro Bowl, unfortunately. It's also a good recipe for an insecure person and bodes poorly for his post-football career. I predict severe depression leading to a lawsuit against the NFL. Good luck Sherm.

I've got bad news for you...

Wasn't proven to take banned substances which is why there was no suspension.

I absolutely guarantee he will end up being a weekly commentator on your TV once his career ends.

ETA: Sorry folks, sometimes clearer heads show you shouldn't badmouth folks.

It's probably time to lock this sucker up.

:IBTL:

 

[drummer]

Why should anybody lock this?

 

[sho nuff]

Because people are being mean to Sherman?

 

[drummer]

Just so much drama.

 

[biju]

Because people are being mean to Sherman?

Because nothing more useful is coming out of this. I don't really care if fans like or dislike Sherman one bit. My point was fans tend to prefer their #######s and dislike other team's #######s. If you guys want to keep talking ####### feel free to do so, it's not going to bother me one bit.

 

[sho nuff]

Well...I doubt there was much useful in the other 7 pages either.

And I prefer my team has zero #######s. Got tired of Finley's antics and his mouth at times...few others that talk here and there...but for the most part happy they don't engage too much in that. Other than when the OL gets on tv/radio and calls out the Lions Dline and coaching staff then proceeds to get their ### kicked.

 

[drummer]

Well...I doubt there was much useful in the other 7 pages either.

And I prefer my team has zero #######s. Got tired of Finley's antics and his mouth at times...few others that talk here and there...but for the most part happy they don't engage too much in that. Other than when the OL gets on tv/radio and calls out the Lions Dline and coaching staff then proceeds to get their ### kicked.

LOOK AT ME! MY TEAM'S GAME THREADS ARE BETTER THAN YOURS!

 

[thecatch]

Sherman has a little Terrell Owens in him.

 

[sho nuff]

Well...I doubt there was much useful in the other 7 pages either.

And I prefer my team has zero #######s. Got tired of Finley's antics and his mouth at times...few others that talk here and there...but for the most part happy they don't engage too much in that. Other than when the OL gets on tv/radio and calls out the Lions Dline and coaching staff then proceeds to get their ### kicked.

LOOK AT ME! MY TEAM'S GAME THREADS ARE BETTER THAN YOURS!

Hah...my team's game threads may make it to 1 or 2 pages these days.

 

[proninja]

Well...I doubt there was much useful in the other 7 pages either.

And I prefer my team has zero #######s. Got tired of Finley's antics and his mouth at times...few others that talk here and there...but for the most part happy they don't engage too much in that. Other than when the OL gets on tv/radio and calls out the Lions Dline and coaching staff then proceeds to get their ### kicked.

LOOK AT ME! MY TEAM'S GAME THREADS ARE BETTER THAN YOURS!

lmao

 

[mad sweeney]

Sherman has a little Terrell Owens in him.

A little? I was saying last year that the character of Sherm has a good chance of taking over Richard Sherman. I haven't seen anything to dissuade me of my prediction yet. He was saying in the pregame warmups that the game was nothing more than a glorified practice, and they played that way. Big offseason for him. Would hope to see his mouth calm down a bit.

 

[slackjawedyokel]

Seahawk fans are pretty embarrassing in this thread post game. It was a hard fought game and the 49ers won. No need to try to take away from that. Next time before you act this way consider the following..... What would Russell Wilson do?

Russell Wilson is the only real face of "class" for the franchise. Pete, Sherman, and Tate combine for a chorus of jackassery, which is one of the big reasons why Seattle is one of the most hated teams. Great teams are usually hated at some point for running a dynasty (example, SF in past years), but with Seattle it is not the case yet. They carry a banner of "obnoxious" and it makes them hard to like... it would not be the case if there were more solid guys like Wilson. It's called class.

 

[Neofight]

Sherman has a little Terrell Owens in him.

A little? I was saying last year that the character of Sherm has a good chance of taking over Richard Sherman. I haven't seen anything to dissuade me of my prediction yet. He was saying in the pregame warmups that the game was nothing more than a glorified practice, and they played that way. Big offseason for him. Would hope to see his mouth calm down a bit.

Richard Sherman is nothing like Owens in terms of character or mental makeup. Owens was and is a child; Sherman likes to play a role but is always in control of his emotions.Proceed to go on an endless rant...

 

[thecatch]

Seahawk fans are pretty embarrassing in this thread post game. It was a hard fought game and the 49ers won. No need to try to take away from that. Next time before you act this way consider the following..... What would Russell Wilson do?

Russell Wilson is the only real face of "class" for the franchise. Pete, Sherman, and Tate combine for a chorus of jackassery, which is one of the big reasons why Seattle is one of the most hated teams. Great teams are usually hated at some point for running a dynasty (example, SF in past years), but with Seattle it is not the case yet. They carry a banner of "obnoxious" and it makes them hard to like... it would not be the case if there were more solid guys like Wilson. It's called class.

I thought red Bryant gave some thoughtful, composed interviews after the game. Seemed like a solid guy.

 

[thecatch]

Sherman has a little Terrell Owens in him.

A little? I was saying last year that the character of Sherm has a good chance of taking over Richard Sherman. I haven't seen anything to dissuade me of my prediction yet. He was saying in the pregame warmups that the game was nothing more than a glorified practice, and they played that way. Big offseason for him. Would hope to see his mouth calm down a bit.

Richard Sherman is nothing like Owens in terms of character or mental makeup. Owens was and is a child; Sherman likes to play a role but is always in control of his emotions.Proceed to go on an endless rant...

I don't know the guy personally or anything, but that's not the vibe I get from him at all. Sometimes guys change when they become stars.

 

[Neofight]

Sherman has a little Terrell Owens in him.

A little? I was saying last year that the character of Sherm has a good chance of taking over Richard Sherman. I haven't seen anything to dissuade me of my prediction yet. He was saying in the pregame warmups that the game was nothing more than a glorified practice, and they played that way. Big offseason for him. Would hope to see his mouth calm down a bit.

Richard Sherman is nothing like Owens in terms of character or mental makeup. Owens was and is a child; Sherman likes to play a role but is always in control of his emotions.Proceed to go on an endless rant...

I don't know the guy personally or anything, but that's not the vibe I get from him at all. Sometimes guys change when they become stars.

I hear him on local media all the time as he has a weekly presser. Incredibly bright, engaging and self assured kid. Heard him speak a few times in person as well. He does have a rather large chip on his shoulder due to not going where he thought he should in the draft and possibly due to his background. Plenty has been written about where he came from (Compton) and the relationship he has with his mother and father (who still works a full time job for the sanitation department picking up trash). He had a solid upbringing and does a lot for the Seattle community and his community back home; he is just one brash hombre. He is not the type to lose his cool, but he certainly tries to get others to do so. Basically he is casting the lines just as many like to do in places like this; it is humorous that those types complain about him the loudest.

 

[drummer]

Somebody better check on seahawk 17. For a guy who wants a rivalry with his pre-game thread nonsense, he sure has his tail between his legs and hasn't once posted in this thread.

Even though he was lurking in it.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Don't mention it, Drummer (too many nested quotes, but in response to post #398)...

I passed along your request. Though, maybe better than merging this game thread into that, would be to merge the various Kaepernick threads. Sorry if the thread you just bumped went from shark pool to cess pool material. I confess to not having seen the one you just bumped before, or at least I don't recall. I'd like to think if I noticed Drummer is stooopid in the title or sub-title, I would report it. In my case, my posting has waxed and waned at various times in the past decade. There have been times in the past I may not have posted a lot in a given year, or times when I may have spent more time in the IDP or FFA boards (you look more prolific, with nearly twice as many posts in about 2/3 of the time - the football knowledge is appreciated). Which may account for why I didn't see it.

But if I do see excessively hostile posts or examples of name calling, I note it. Unfortunately this is a high traffic site and message board, so sometimes the best way to deal with those types of posts is to use the report function, where they otherwise might not be seen without the alert. I can definitely empathize. Sometimes there seems to be a lot of mob courage in the threads, LOL. As noted, I'm most disappointed by language, and the type of thinking that stands behind the words, dismissive language that marginalizes the opinions and alternate view points of others. Words like excuses, which while not as Neanderthal as literally and outright calling somebody stupid, and more nuanced, still can have a subtext that effectively translates to - your ideas don't matter, because they are dumb.

Thanks for the thoughtful gesture to help bring me up to speed. I've covered the NFC West for the past decade, so I feel I have a pretty good handle on things, but sometimes it is nice to get feedback on some fine points. I can't speak for anybody else, but my impression is that you don't pull punches or sugarcoat things in your evaluations, which is why i asked you about possible areas to improve on. I definitely have a pretty good working understanding of the starters and in some cases situational or depth players, recent draft histories, schemes for SF (as well as the other NFC West Teams). You did do a good job summarizing your thoughts (so good, it might be good to cross-post a few of the recent ones to the Kaepernick thread that isn't a cess pool of derision - I have to say, in more recent ones I've seen where Kaepernick was discussed, and also in the the 49ers thread, they seemed to be more civil and respectful to posters than some others I've encountered recently).

Off the top of my head, the one new thing I learned was about the former SF personnel lead that is now in SEA. I agree that they have been great at building the defense (like you said, spanning several personnel regimes). Impact free agents at every level (Justin Smith, Ahmad Brooks, Donte Whitner, Carlos Rogers). Committing high picks such as first rounders Patrick Willis, Aldon Smith and Eric Reid, and a great value pick in Navorro Bowman. Third rounder Russell Wilson is probably the best value pick on offense in the entire division. I think third rounder Bowman is his defensive counterpart in the entire division. On offense, I think they did a good job building the OL, and committing draft resources to that area. But I agree, they have whiffed badly on some recent picks (as noted, RB James and WR Jenkins, among others), which left Kaepernick's potential skill position weapons depleted when Crabtree went down with the ruptured Achilles tendon (have to think that was before preseason and earlier in the offseason for him to be back on the field in December). He flashed some explosiveness against SEA in just his second game back, I'm guardedly optimistic and hopeful he can come all the way back like Demaryius Thomas (also retired LB Takeo Spikes), who had the same injury. There was a medical paper floating around in the aether, with conclusions coopted by football sites, that were pessimistic about the prognosis of this type of injury based on some medical case histories. Staffer Dr. Jene Bramel pointed out a few flaws in his opinion on how the study was set up and the conclusions they drew, but among his most substantive criticism imo was that it was an older study that didn't account for modern surgical and rehab techniques. They were very good for each other, and Kaepernick helped him to emerge as a star in a way Smith never had before, so the obvious inference to draw is he is far more talented than Smith. I agree he has far more upside, I never questioned the move at the time and applauded it. Kaepernick should go to the positive ledger among the few recent success stories on that side of the ball for the 49ers GM. It is unfortunate rookie WR Patton had the injury setback, he could have helped while Crabtree was out. IMO he has the talent to eventually emerge as a starter opposite Crabtree once Boldin rides into the sunset (FAR more talented than the likes of since departed Williams and Jenkins - and I don't mean that in a damning with faint praise sense ). DAL third round rookie WR Terrance Williams of Baylor led the NCAA with 1,800+ receiving yards in 2012. But Patton led the nation in receiving yards for 2011-2012 COMBINED. Davis isn't old, and is the Calvin Johnson of TEs as a physical specimen and athletic phenom, so Kaepernick has some good weapons (when healthy) to mature and develope with.

I think we had similar facts to work with (you seem to be wired in to the social media side, which is interesting to me, but not as much as scouting-type info and the draft... the draft is great, because each year and season is new). Maybe it wasn't for lack of them that I saw things somewhat differently (I was aware of the injuries), but due to differences of interpretation of those same facts. But after thinking about it, maybe our difference had more to do with you having more realistic expectations, and maybe what he has done in the first three months or so accurately reflects what his approximate expected capability should have been given these challenges. Ironically, far from being a hater, my expectations may have been higher than yours, which led to a larger sense of disappointment. Not just the first game against GB... but taken in combination with the playoff game against GB, which was one of the greatest performances I've ever seen by a running QB (record?), my expectations were high going into the season, even knowing about Crabtree's injury. The fact that even AFTER GB had eight months to study how to defeat him, and STILL couldn't neutralize him, accentuated this sense. So this dynamic might have conspired to create unrealistic expectations. In retrospect, that might have been my first mistake, in inferring too much from the two decisive wins and Kaepernick performances against GB. If a bad defense can be gashed once, it can be gashed twice, etc.

Thanks again.

 

[drummer]

Your welcome Bob. I haven't bumped the Kaep "bandwagon" thread like I used to. It wasn't my thread anyway. The OP who started it again bailed out on this site, most likely because Kaep emerged the starter, and then Alex Smith went to KC. The OP isn't like I'm the Scientist with his Russell thread. He was a guy who liked to call himself a 49er fan, but ultimately knew nothing of what he talked about. Thus, a whole lot of nonsense in that thread, and few of those 49er fans who also doubted Kaep are also gone to watch KC games now.

Nobody really has to merge these posts. I might start a whole new Kaep thread anyway, but not until the playoffs or off-season.

If you've spent years with Carmen Policy as the GM of the team you root for, you forget following drafts. I'm sure CLE fans found that out. I mean, when they drafted Jim Druckenmiller in the first round as a potential QBOTF to eventually take Steve Young's place, he said Druckenmiller "had a little Joe Montana in him". That's when I stopped following the draft.