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Seattle @ Washington ... Pregame chatter (1 Viewer)

'ImTheScientist said:
Seahawks dominate....next.
Not on this field. Fed Ex field is a total mud pit right now. It hosted the Military Bowl (San Jose vs Bowling Green) this past Thursday night, a day after it got about an inch and a half of rain, then the Skins vs Dallas game last night. It's a disaster of a field right now, and nothing like that great synthetic turf you water birds are accustomed to up in Seattle.These last 4 amazing games for the Seahawks, including scoring 150 in a 3 week stretch - all on astroturf (3 at Qwest, one at Ralph Wilson). The last, and only 5 games on grass for the Seahawks this season:Dec 2nd, at Soldier Field they scored 23Nov 25th, at Sun Life Field they scored 21Oct 18th, at Candlestick Park they scored 6Oct 7th, at Bank of America Stadium they scored 16Sep 9th, at University of Phoenix Stadium they scored 16In those 5 games on grass, they averaged 16.4 PPG. In their other 11 games (all on synthetic), they averaged 30 PPG. That's a HUGE swing.In their 8 home games, they averaged 30.4 PPG. In their 8 away games, they averaged 21.1 PPG. That's a HUGE swing.In those 5 games on grass, they allowed an average of 17.2 PPG, in the other 11 they allowed an average of 14.5. They allow 19% more points on grass, per game.In their 8 home games, they allowed an average of 11.9 PPG. In their 8 away games, they allowed an average of 18.8 PPG. They allow 58% more points away than at home.In their 8 home games they were 8-0. In their 8 away games they were 3-5.
 
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2. The other thing the Redskins are going to have to do is bring back the play action more this week. They could run exclusively against Dallas because Dallas was so beat up up front...Seattle will be healtier. Above a poster said that Seattle can easlily single cover Garcon and Moss all game and stack the box. I really, really hope as a Skins fan that Seattle does this. I think you are seriously underestimating Garcon. If he is single covered all game it's definitely going to give the Redskins a chance to get some cheap scores via long strikes during the game. Dallas effectively limited Redskins passing with Cover 2 and other schemes, not by playing single cover all over the field.
Seattle typically does put those two CBs out on an island. I think you are SERIOUSLY underestimating Richard Sherman. Mistakes on you.
 
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On offense Lynch is a tough out and the Redskins can be run on from what I've seen - it will open things up for Wilson.
By total yards the Redskins have the 5th best rushing defense in the league; Seattle is 10th.link

Going by yards per carry given up, the Redskins are tied for 13th (4.2) and Seattle is tied for 23rd (4.5).

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Morris will be running early and often against the Seahawks.

 
'ImTheScientist said:
Seahawks dominate....next.
Not on this field. Fed Ex field is a total mud pit right now. It hosted the Military Bowl (San Jose vs Bowling Green) this past Thursday night, a day after it got about an inch and a half of rain, then the Skins vs Dallas game last night. It's a disaster of a field right now, and nothing like that great synthetic turf you water birds are accustomed to up in Seattle.
While your statistics are correct, they don't tell the story of the Seahawks. Who they where in September and October are not who they are now. Pretty much irrelevant stats. I can see how you look at the stats and try to convince yourself that its better for your team, and you probably haven't watched a single hawk game...... you don't want a slug fest with the hawks. Your best bet would be to have a quick/fast team...... Seahawks are the most physical team in the NFL. Ask the fortyniners and Vernon Davis.
 
Seahawks wins during the season and quality of opponent are more impressive then the Redskins wins and quality of opponent. Playing in the soft NFC East is going to hinder them.

 
I think this one will be close, but Seattle will come out on top.

I wouldn't read too much into the Rams game. It was interdivisonal, and the Rams played their division really well this year (but sucked against everyone else). Plus Seattle was coming down off of a huge win against the Niners, without (much) of a chance to improve their playoff seeding.

RG3 might pull out some hocus-pocus, but I think Seattle is just too resilient on both sides of the ball to not squeak it out by the end.

 
2. The other thing the Redskins are going to have to do is bring back the play action more this week. They could run exclusively against Dallas because Dallas was so beat up up front...Seattle will be healtier. Above a poster said that Seattle can easlily single cover Garcon and Moss all game and stack the box. I really, really hope as a Skins fan that Seattle does this. I think you are seriously underestimating Garcon. If he is single covered all game it's definitely going to give the Redskins a chance to get some cheap scores via long strikes during the game. Dallas effectively limited Redskins passing with Cover 2 and other schemes, not by playing single cover all over the field.
Seattle typically does put those two CBs out on an island. I think you are SERIOUSLY underestimating Richard Sherman. Mistakes on you.
Stevie Johnson had a good game against Sherman. Garcon vs Sherman should be a good battle.
 
'ImTheScientist said:
Seahawks dominate....next.
Not on this field. Fed Ex field is a total mud pit right now. It hosted the Military Bowl (San Jose vs Bowling Green) this past Thursday night, a day after it got about an inch and a half of rain, then the Skins vs Dallas game last night. It's a disaster of a field right now, and nothing like that great synthetic turf you water birds are accustomed to up in Seattle.
While your statistics are correct, they don't tell the story of the Seahawks. Who they where in September and October are not who they are now. Pretty much irrelevant stats. I can see how you look at the stats and try to convince yourself that its better for your team, and you probably haven't watched a single hawk game...... you don't want a slug fest with the hawks. Your best bet would be to have a quick/fast team...... Seahawks are the most physical team in the NFL. Ask the fortyniners and Vernon Davis.
Actually I've watched most of the 'Hawks games. I didn't do so for Wilson, though, I did so for Bruce Irvin who I saw play for WVU, and even met in person.That said, the numbers I put up are for the entire season, and include EVERY GAME they played on grass...so I'm not sure how you can just throw them out. It's very obvious they are a different team on that different surface. I'm not sure how you can just "throw out" a difference of 30 vs 16.4 PPG on the two surfaces.
 
'ImTheScientist said:
Seahawks dominate....next.
Not on this field. Fed Ex field is a total mud pit right now. It hosted the Military Bowl (San Jose vs Bowling Green) this past Thursday night, a day after it got about an inch and a half of rain, then the Skins vs Dallas game last night. It's a disaster of a field right now, and nothing like that great synthetic turf you water birds are accustomed to up in Seattle.
While your statistics are correct, they don't tell the story of the Seahawks. Who they where in September and October are not who they are now. Pretty much irrelevant stats. I can see how you look at the stats and try to convince yourself that its better for your team, and you probably haven't watched a single hawk game...... you don't want a slug fest with the hawks. Your best bet would be to have a quick/fast team...... Seahawks are the most physical team in the NFL. Ask the fortyniners and Vernon Davis.
Actually I've watched most of the 'Hawks games. I didn't do so for Wilson, though, I did so for Bruce Irvin who I saw play for WVU, and even met in person.That said, the numbers I put up are for the entire season, and include EVERY GAME they played on grass...so I'm not sure how you can just throw them out. It's very obvious they are a different team on that different surface. I'm not sure how you can just "throw out" a difference of 30 vs 16.4 PPG on the two surfaces.
You can't. And thanks for posting that. I'm *really* happy this is the late game, by the way
 
'ImTheScientist said:
Seahawks dominate....next.
Not on this field. Fed Ex field is a total mud pit right now. It hosted the Military Bowl (San Jose vs Bowling Green) this past Thursday night, a day after it got about an inch and a half of rain, then the Skins vs Dallas game last night. It's a disaster of a field right now, and nothing like that great synthetic turf you water birds are accustomed to up in Seattle.
While your statistics are correct, they don't tell the story of the Seahawks. Who they where in September and October are not who they are now. Pretty much irrelevant stats. I can see how you look at the stats and try to convince yourself that its better for your team, and you probably haven't watched a single hawk game...... you don't want a slug fest with the hawks. Your best bet would be to have a quick/fast team...... Seahawks are the most physical team in the NFL. Ask the fortyniners and Vernon Davis.
Actually I've watched most of the 'Hawks games. I didn't do so for Wilson, though, I did so for Bruce Irvin who I saw play for WVU, and even met in person.That said, the numbers I put up are for the entire season, and include EVERY GAME they played on grass...so I'm not sure how you can just throw them out. It's very obvious they are a different team on that different surface. I'm not sure how you can just "throw out" a difference of 30 vs 16.4 PPG on the two surfaces.
You can't. And thanks for posting that. I'm *really* happy this is the late game, by the way
 
If anyone wants to see what the future of the NFL will look like they should watch this game. Griffin, Wilson, Morris, and 2 offenses that keep defenses guessing. :thumbup:

 
'Raider Nation said:
It's not just me, right? Is this not easily the most intriguing game of the opening weekend?
Indy @ Balt, Cincy @ Houston or Minn @ GB is intriguing too?Easily? Have more rhetoric please.I'll take a guy who ran for over 400 yards against the Packers and and all world offense in GB over Seattle and Washington. This game you speak of will be the let down game of the weekend. Washington O with a banged up RG3 as you can clearly still tell against tough D, and Seattle O who did nothing against STL still doing nothing in cold weather against an improving D. Good game, yes, easily the most intriguing? NO
It's always hilarious when people act like there's a definite answer to a subjective question.
 
2. The other thing the Redskins are going to have to do is bring back the play action more this week. They could run exclusively against Dallas because Dallas was so beat up up front...Seattle will be healtier. Above a poster said that Seattle can easlily single cover Garcon and Moss all game and stack the box. I really, really hope as a Skins fan that Seattle does this. I think you are seriously underestimating Garcon. If he is single covered all game it's definitely going to give the Redskins a chance to get some cheap scores via long strikes during the game. Dallas effectively limited Redskins passing with Cover 2 and other schemes, not by playing single cover all over the field.
Seattle typically does put those two CBs out on an island. I think you are SERIOUSLY underestimating Richard Sherman. Mistakes on you.
I'm not underestimating Sherman at all...he's a fine CB. But keep in mind, Garcon does not have to beat Sherman on every play. Getting loose on a few big plays can shift the game. Regarding your "mistakes on you" comment, there is no need to be insulting, or hostile. I didn't insult you. I'm simply discussing football on a message board. With that said, it's kind of funny to me that my "big mistake" is not thinking that Sherman will hold Garco to ZERO big plays the entire game guarding him one on one. But, you and I can talk all we want now. The teams will settle it Sunday, despite what we say on a message board.

 
2. The other thing the Redskins are going to have to do is bring back the play action more this week. They could run exclusively against Dallas because Dallas was so beat up up front...Seattle will be healtier. Above a poster said that Seattle can easlily single cover Garcon and Moss all game and stack the box. I really, really hope as a Skins fan that Seattle does this. I think you are seriously underestimating Garcon. If he is single covered all game it's definitely going to give the Redskins a chance to get some cheap scores via long strikes during the game. Dallas effectively limited Redskins passing with Cover 2 and other schemes, not by playing single cover all over the field.
Seattle typically does put those two CBs out on an island. I think you are SERIOUSLY underestimating Richard Sherman. Mistakes on you.
I'm not underestimating Sherman at all...he's a fine CB. But keep in mind, Garcon does not have to beat Sherman on every play. Getting loose on a few big plays can shift the game. Regarding your "mistakes on you" comment, there is no need to be insulting, or hostile. I didn't insult you. I'm simply discussing football on a message board. With that said, it's kind of funny to me that my "big mistake" is not thinking that Sherman will hold Garco to ZERO big plays the entire game guarding him one on one. But, you and I can talk all we want now. The teams will settle it Sunday, despite what we say on a message board.
WHOA!!!!!!!! I apologize if you took that to be insulting or hostile. I realize we are all from different parts of the country and there are different standards of what is hostile and what is not. I apologize to you and will be more careful in the future. No harm was meant.
 
'ImTheScientist said:
Seahawks dominate....next.
Not on this field. Fed Ex field is a total mud pit right now. It hosted the Military Bowl (San Jose vs Bowling Green) this past Thursday night, a day after it got about an inch and a half of rain, then the Skins vs Dallas game last night. It's a disaster of a field right now, and nothing like that great synthetic turf you water birds are accustomed to up in Seattle.
While your statistics are correct, they don't tell the story of the Seahawks. Who they where in September and October are not who they are now. Pretty much irrelevant stats. I can see how you look at the stats and try to convince yourself that its better for your team, and you probably haven't watched a single hawk game...... you don't want a slug fest with the hawks. Your best bet would be to have a quick/fast team...... Seahawks are the most physical team in the NFL. Ask the fortyniners and Vernon Davis.
The Redskins don't dominate in the running game by winning "slug fests." Hey, I think Seattle is a very, very tough matchup for the Skins. But Seattle has really only faced the one team (the Niners) who do some of the things the Skins do. And the Niners are a weird hybrid running the pistol with an offensive line that is still very much built on a power running game. Morris is a physical runner, but the Redskins don't run a power running game. The run a misdirection game featuring extremely mobile offensive lineman and terrific outside blocking by the WRs. On the other hand, we don't know if the Redskins can stop Lynch. Most teams haven't run against the Redskins because most teams have preferred to pick on what has been for much of the year a pretty atrocious pass defense. We'll see if the Hawks feel the same way with an (admittedly terrific) rookie QB.These are the two hottest teams in the NFC. I don't see how anyone can be particularly confident they know how it will shake down. I'm sure Seattle will score points, but in truth, the Redskins have really only had one bad offensive game all year. Silly playoff stuff (a fluke fumble, a return) could easily make a huge difference.
 
The Redskins don't dominate in the running game by winning "slug fests." Hey, I think Seattle is a very, very tough matchup for the Skins. But Seattle has really only faced the one team (the Niners) who do some of the things the Skins do. And the Niners are a weird hybrid running the pistol with an offensive line that is still very much built on a power running game.
Faced Carolina .... they also go up against their own team in practice. In those two games rookie MLBer Bobby Wagner has been huge....why? He played at Utah State and has faced these types of offenses in college A TON. Its not really a concern in hawk land. My concern would be what WR are you playing in the slot.... who ever it is will own Marcus Trufant. He is awful. Deep passes don't kill the hawks. Hitch routes, quick out routes, and quick slants kill them. Dink and dunk stuff.

 
I find it interesting that many people are already labeling this as a "if Griffin was healthy..." game. Redskins supporters are already giving themselves an out if they lose.

 
Morris is a physical runner, but the Redskins don't run a power running game. The run a misdirection game featuring extremely mobile offensive lineman and terrific outside blocking by the WRs.
Just to add to this, Morris often doesn't gain a lot of yards early in the game. But the Redskins keep running because their goal is to keep their offense on the field as much as possible, wearing down the other defense and limiting exposure of the Redskins defense. In a lot of games you saw Morris struggling to gain 3 yards a carry early. But the constant blocking-while-running-sideways of the O-line and Morris's physical play wore down the defenses, and in the 3rd and 4th quarters he'd start hitting more 8-yard and 14-yard runs.
 
One thing that might help a lot of us is for Seattle folks and Washington folks to post some links to who they think the best beat reporters are covering the Seahawks and Redskins. When I'm reading about other teams besides the Skins I have no idea which local reporters are good and which ones are bunk.

Good Skins beat reporters:

John Keim

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Rich Campbell

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Rich Tandler

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I find it interesting that many people are already labeling this as a "if Griffin was healthy..." game. Redskins supporters are already giving themselves an out if they lose.
This tells me you don't understand the psyche of Redskin fans. We don't need an "out" if we lose. We're already over the moon. Hell, even if we'd lost last night we'd be over the moon after a winning season with a rookie QB and that ridiculous Mara-imposed salary cap "penalty." A home playoff game is like the flower icing on top of the regular icing on the cake of this season. The notion that we could actually win that home playoff game and get within two games of the Super Bowl? That's completely preposterous to the people who've been following this team for the last 20 years.
 
Thank you for acknowledging this. I feel like I need to apologize for that guy on a weekly basis. Face-palms-a-plenty.
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Dude, you know this. I have to say that I appreciate the people that are over-the-top crazy fans in Seattle. They are the base that creates the louder than you can imagine home field advantage. Seriously, if you haven't experienced the volume you won't understand. I've been to a few games and had my ears ringing for days. That said, you make the most inane comments and come off as being serious. I get that you're just poking people for a reaction, but at times it painful to read.
 
But Seattle has really only faced the one team (the Niners) who do some of the things the Skins do.
And pretty much every day in practice. Seattle and Washington have very similar offenses.
To add to this Pete watched some film on RGIII and the skins earlier in the year and liked what they were doing. Took that film to Bevell and Cable and said...make it happen, lets try some of this. So thank you skeletor.
 
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The guy runs for 63 and a TD and people still say he is hobbling - maybe so, but I think that any NFL team would take a QB that can run for 63 every week . . .

 
But Seattle has really only faced the one team (the Niners) who do some of the things the Skins do.
And pretty much every day in practice. Seattle and Washington have very similar offenses.
They certainly do. The numbers bear that out as well. With that said, I do think the Redskins run variants on the zone read that even other zone read teams don't do. It seems ridiculously simple. You think that there's no way that RGIII can keep getting that same easy square-in over the middle. But literally nobody had taken it away all year. It's only after watching week after week that you realize just how many small variations stem off the package. Carolina has clearly started running it better in the second half of the year (Newton ended up having a pretty good year considering the hand wringing). But I can also guarantee that the Redskins will not only rush the ball 17 times like Carolina did. I'm very impressed with Seattle. I'm impressed with Carroll. It seems to me that alot of cynical sportswriters who like to make fun of coaches coming in and trying the "college rah rah crap" look pretty stupid once a team comitted to sticking with the college guy long enough to let him weed out the bad apples and get his own guys in. Depsite being a long time NFL guy, Shanahan did the same. He turned the team over with guys who would play hard every game, and eventually the winning happened. I'm not sure the Redskins should be favored over any team but the Vikings in the playoffs, but the only team that I absolutely know is a complete nightmare matchup for them is the Falcons (it's a Tony Gonzalez thing).
 
'5Rings said:
'Abraham said:
Seattle by 10
:goodposting: Nobody can stop Seattle right now and I think they are much more talented than Wash.
I'm a big believer in Seattle but people not giving the Skins enough credit. This will be a tough place for the Hawks to play. It's a pick in my mind.
 
But Seattle has really only faced the one team (the Niners) who do some of the things the Skins do.
And pretty much every day in practice. Seattle and Washington have very similar offenses.
To add to this Pete watched some film on RGIII and the skins earlier in the year and liked what they were doing. Took that film to Bevell and Cable and said...make it happen, lets try some of this. So thank you skeletor.
Both teams have offenses that are still evolving under new QB's. Neither one is a finished product yet. Washington looks quite different on offense now than they did in the early games this year and they change from week to week. I imagine Seattle does the same?
 
The guy runs for 63 and a TD and people still say he is hobbling - maybe so, but I think that any NFL team would take a QB that can run for 63 every week . . .
Well sure they would, it doesn't mean he's not hobbling though. They aren't mutually exclusive. :)
 
I'm not sure the Redskins should be favored over any team but the Vikings in the playoffs, but the only team that I absolutely know is a complete nightmare matchup for them is the Falcons (it's a Tony Gonzalez thing).
As a Seahawks fan if I could choose to play the falcons or redskins I would pick the falcons. Of all the NFC playoff teams they are the ones I would like to see. The winner of the Hawks/Skins game is going to beat ATL.....then go to Green Bay.
 
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With that said, I do think the Redskins run variants on the zone read that even other zone read teams don't do. It seems ridiculously simple. You think that there's no way that RGIII can keep getting that same easy square-in over the middle. But literally nobody had taken it away all year. It's only after watching week after week that you realize just how many small variations stem off the package.
The ball fakes by Griffin have been exceptional all year, which adds to defenses hesitating or starting in the wrong direction and then having to recover. In the first several games of the year the cameramen were routinely faked out and had cameras following some guy without the ball. It was pretty funny. Those fakes get LB's to take a first step towards the line, leaving that square-in open a lot.
 
Washington looks quite different on offense now than they did in the early games this year and they change from week to week. I imagine Seattle does the same?
Certainly. Their offense has changed quite a bit over the season. Wilson's rushing attempts have gone up significantly through the season.Wilson didn't run for more than 30 yards in the first half of the season. He topped 30 five times in the second half of the season including games of 71, 92, and 58 yards. All three of those games came in the final five weeks.
 
I find it interesting that many people are already labeling this as a "if Griffin was healthy..." game. Redskins supporters are already giving themselves an out if they lose.
This tells me you don't understand the psyche of Redskin fans. We don't need an "out" if we lose. We're already over the moon. Hell, even if we'd lost last night we'd be over the moon after a winning season with a rookie QB and that ridiculous MaraI-imposed salary cap "penalty." A home playoff game is like the flower icing on top of the regular icing on the cake of this season. The notion that we could actually win that home playoff game and get within two games of the Super Bowl? That's completely preposterous to the people who've been following this team for the last 20 years.
Very true.And it sets up one of the most unpredictable matchups in this game:

You have the most determined trolls looking for attention and willfully oblivious to the possibility of defeat (Seattle) vs. a fanbase that cannot be trolled because they are always acutely aware of their team's flaws (Redskins).

 
'pizzatyme said:
Do the Colts have a punchers chance against the amazing Ratbirds?
I think the Colts will beat the Ravens. The Ravens aren't in free fall but they've been slipping pretty noticeably the last part of the season. I think we're in the wrong thread too but what the hell.
 
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2. The other thing the Redskins are going to have to do is bring back the play action more this week. They could run exclusively against Dallas because Dallas was so beat up up front...Seattle will be healtier. Above a poster said that Seattle can easlily single cover Garcon and Moss all game and stack the box. I really, really hope as a Skins fan that Seattle does this. I think you are seriously underestimating Garcon. If he is single covered all game it's definitely going to give the Redskins a chance to get some cheap scores via long strikes during the game. Dallas effectively limited Redskins passing with Cover 2 and other schemes, not by playing single cover all over the field.
Seattle typically does put those two CBs out on an island. I think you are SERIOUSLY underestimating Richard Sherman. Mistakes on you.
I'm not underestimating Sherman at all...he's a fine CB. But keep in mind, Garcon does not have to beat Sherman on every play. Getting loose on a few big plays can shift the game. Regarding your "mistakes on you" comment, there is no need to be insulting, or hostile. I didn't insult you. I'm simply discussing football on a message board. With that said, it's kind of funny to me that my "big mistake" is not thinking that Sherman will hold Garco to ZERO big plays the entire game guarding him one on one. But, you and I can talk all we want now. The teams will settle it Sunday, despite what we say on a message board.
WHOA!!!!!!!! I apologize if you took that to be insulting or hostile. I realize we are all from different parts of the country and there are different standards of what is hostile and what is not. I apologize to you and will be more careful in the future. No harm was meant.
Dude, it's cool. Perhaps I over-reacted on my end. I'm in a crap mood havin' to work on New Year's Eve. lolWe're both passionate about our teams...that's a good thing...

 
I agree, RGIII's knee will be a big issue. If he was completely healthy I would lean towards the Redskins.

I think Browner returns so that allows the Seahawks to play man coverage on the outside and 8 in the box. DE responsibility should be to always attack the QB's outside shoulder, regardless of back field motion. It was ridiculous watching Ware yesterday get hung up between pursuit and contain. Attack the QB and contain. If the Seahawks fail to to do this then the Redskins have a great chance.

 
I hope the Redskins-Seahawks game is cold, wet, and muddy. Late season games on grass are fun to watch.

 
Seahawks 34Redskins 13
So you're suggesting that Seattle will1) outscore their previous on grass high mark by 112) over DOUBLE their average score on grass3) outscore their away average by 134) have their 2nd best defensive road game of the yearand5) taking the Bills game aside, have the largest away winning margin of the year?....all against a playoff caliber team who has the #1 rushing offense in the game?Doubtful.Skins 31Seahawks 24
 

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