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Seeding question (1 Viewer)
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BearsFan4Life
Footballguy
Depends if its a bracket format or if you reseed after the first round.
Bracket: 1 vs 5, 2 vs 6
Reseed: 1 vs 6, 2 vs 5
My league had the same thing happen and its bracket so 1v5 and 2v6 in semis
Bracket: 1 vs 5, 2 vs 6
Reseed: 1 vs 6, 2 vs 5
My league had the same thing happen and its bracket so 1v5 and 2v6 in semis
Spock
Footballguy
1 vs 5
2 vs 6
JohnnyU
Footballguy
In my leagues the #1 seed would play the lowest remaining seed and the #2 seed would play the highest remaining seed. In your example, #1 would play #6 and #2 would play #4.
Edit: I can't see a scenario where this should be any other way and haven't since I've been playing this game.
Edit: I can't see a scenario where this should be any other way and haven't since I've been playing this game.
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Ruffrodys05
IBL Representative
1 v 6
2 v 5
That is how the NFL does it.
2 v 5
That is how the NFL does it.
All depends on what your league has done in the past. All my leagues reseed every round so that the highest remaining seed always plays the lowest remaining seed and so forth down the line.
I have heard of leagues that allow the highest seed to choose their opponent. I kind of like that wrinkle but haven't been brave enough to suggest it.
I have heard of leagues that allow the highest seed to choose their opponent. I kind of like that wrinkle but haven't been brave enough to suggest it.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Love the idea but it could also put the "chooser" in a tough spot if he wants to be tactful. Whomever you choose you're basically saying "you're the worst team of those three." Could ruffle some feathers but that's also fun, haha.
That is for sure the fun of it. I liken it to the episode of the League where Pete let Ruxin set his lineup for him. I think it would be an awesome wrinkle and increase the smack talk for sure.
It should be in league rules. Our league we reseed (meaning 1 would play 6). NFL does this. NBA and NCAA and MLB all do not reseed (meaning 1 would play 4 vs 5 seed regardless of what happens in other game).
We don't re-seed. The expectation is that teams 1-4 beat their opponents so the winner of 1v8 plays the winner of 4v5. If the 8th seed knocks off the 1st seed, so be it - earned the right to advance in that team's spot.
wlwiles
Footballguy
So far in the platforms where I've commish'ed (not a real word, but it works)....anyway, playoff re-seeding is not usually the default setting. If you don't have it turned on already, it's too late, but it really should be on for future years. 1 seed should always play the lowest remaining seed IMO.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
As hard to believe as it is, I was under the impression he didn't have a rule.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
The OP doesn't mention whether there are or aren't rules . . . only asks who SHOULD play. There may be more to the story that wasn't presented so far. Maybe it's a fact-finding expedition on how other leagues handle it. Maybe team #1 wants a choice of who to play regardless of seeding. We sort of need more information on this situation.
Nice Work Pal
Footballguy
Seed/reseed is usually written in league rules
I had a bye in 2 leagues. One league in rules it says no reseeding…I finished 2nd but I’m playing the team who finished 6th. Other league also finished 2nd but it reseeds so I play team 3.
I had a bye in 2 leagues. One league in rules it says no reseeding…I finished 2nd but I’m playing the team who finished 6th. Other league also finished 2nd but it reseeds so I play team 3.
If you're worried about hurting feelings, just tell them, "You have tough match-ups this week. I'd rather play you this week than next week."
Chemical X
Footballguy
gotta set it up so that the higher seed always gets the lower seed. don’t be married to a stupid bracket.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Never been a fan of re-seeding. If you want the top teams to have the easiest matchup every week, why even have playoffs?
Just put the 1 v 2 for your championship the week after the end of your regular season.
Just put the 1 v 2 for your championship the week after the end of your regular season.
Ive suggested it 3 times in the 20+ years of my home league and so far they havent bit. It adds a ton of strategy too because matchups and injuries matter so I wouldnt necessarily pick the worst team on paper just the worst team on paper that week. Your right it would get considerably embarrasing if the first guy chooses wrong. That is a feature imo cause who doesnt like to see a good catching grief session at the hands of the "disrespected" team who wins.
That would work out really well for half a season at which point the 1-5 and 2-4 teams stop caring when a couple top teams are 6-0. The answer to your question though is...dont they deserve it? I mean otherwise why not just have a blind draw at playoff time and make the regular season meaningless?
Ruffrodys05
IBL Representative
IDK.....brackets to me are just part of the hosting sites generic setup. I'm of the opinion that the host site is just that, a league host site. What matters most to me are league rules, not what the host site generic setup is. The site we use automatically places playoff teams in brackets. Once it sets the initial brackets it will not deviate unless we adjust matchups. Which we do, because the #1 seed always plays the lowest remaining seed. It was set this way, in our bylaws/rules from year one, to emulate the NFL playoff process. This has always made the most sense to us. No one in the league has ever suggested a change.
Our championship history over 20+ years has proven that just because you may have the top seed it does not guarantee an easy path to glory. Only about 25% of top seeds have won the title. A slightly less % of teams starting from the #6 seed have also won the title.
Enough about my league. The takeaway I believe is that each individual league should have detailed rules/bylaws that address the playoff process in depth. Not simply a note saying "x" number of teams make the playoffs. In my opinion, the OP's league is remiss if those rules do not exist.
Our championship history over 20+ years has proven that just because you may have the top seed it does not guarantee an easy path to glory. Only about 25% of top seeds have won the title. A slightly less % of teams starting from the #6 seed have also won the title.
Enough about my league. The takeaway I believe is that each individual league should have detailed rules/bylaws that address the playoff process in depth. Not simply a note saying "x" number of teams make the playoffs. In my opinion, the OP's league is remiss if those rules do not exist.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
From my experience, most years the best teams and toughest opponents are the LOWEST seeds. Wins and losses doesn’t tell the whole story. A high seed could be in an easy division. A lower seed could have scored a ton of points and has everyone healthy.
eighsse2
Footballguy
I as well prefer pure brackets. Because I like brackets. Imagine NCAA basketball tournament with reseeding.
Without re-seeding every week what is the point of the entire regular season? The regular season should have some meaning and getting the theoretical better matchup is what you earned. Very rarely have I ever seen the 1 and 2 seeds make it to the finals either way. So many times I have seen the last seed catch fire and ride unknown playoff heros to the title. It's a crapshoot either way but reseeding makes the most sense.
Wrigley
Footballguy
Agreed, I always thought the 1 seed played the lowest remaining seed
I’m running this up the ladder
I am guessing they don't re-seed in March Madness because of the logistical nightmare it would cause. With that many teams and games in such a short time having a set bracket is really the only answer logistically. Logistics isn't a concern in FF.I as well prefer pure brackets. Because I like brackets. Imagine NCAA basketball tournament with reseeding.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Depends on how the league rules lay it out in advance.
But the real correct answer is: #1 seed chooses their opponent
But the real correct answer is: #1 seed chooses their opponent
eighsse2
Footballguy
True enough, but as a fan just as well I would hate to see that beautiful rigid bracket become a nebulous spaghetti.I am guessing they don't re-seed in March Madness because of the logistical nightmare it would cause. With that many teams and games in such a short time having a set bracket is really the only answer logistically. Logistics isn't a concern in FF.I as well prefer pure brackets. Because I like brackets. Imagine NCAA basketball tournament with reseeding.
Ruffrodys05
IBL Representative
I do not need to imagine what the NCAA, the NBA, the NHL or MLB does (or does not) regarding tournaments or playoffs. We're not discussing fantasy playoff scenarios for those sports. Why should I care about the NCAA BASKETBALL tournament when discussing the fantasy playoff scenarios of fantasy FOOTBALL.I as well prefer pure brackets. Because I like brackets. Imagine NCAA basketball tournament with reseeding.
The truth is, whether you agree or not, that the NFL does not use brackets. It uses a tried and true seeding process (tiebreakers to determine playoff teams) then sets matchups each playoff week determined by seeding/matchup rules. If you want to set up your fantasy football playoff rules to emulate NCAA/NBA tournament/playoff bracket rules, so be it. It seems extremely odd and frankly weird to me to use a different pro sports playoff process over the pro sport you are following and playing in fantasy.
eighsse2
Footballguy
It was more of a general statement about the principle of brackets, regardless of sport (NCAA basketball happens to have the best example of an awesome bracket). I love brackets. And reseeding makes a bracket structure meaningless. Fantasy football playoffs are generally 4-7 teams, so it hardly matters to me which way it's done. Point is, pure brackets are generally awesome in my opinion because you can look at the whole thing before any games are even played, and see any team's pathway. So if I had to choose one or the other, it's always going to be a pure bracket. But the smaller the competition is, the less it really matters.I do not need to imagine what the NCAA, the NBA, the NHL or MLB does (or does not) regarding tournaments or playoffs. We're not discussing fantasy playoff scenarios for those sports. Why should I care about the NCAA BASKETBALL tournament when discussing the fantasy playoff scenarios of fantasy FOOTBALL.I as well prefer pure brackets. Because I like brackets. Imagine NCAA basketball tournament with reseeding.
The truth is, whether you agree or not, that the NFL does not use brackets. It uses a tried and true seeding process (tiebreakers to determine playoff teams) then sets matchups each playoff week determined by seeding/matchup rules. If you want to set up your fantasy football playoff rules to emulate NCAA/NBA tournament/playoff bracket rules, so be it. It seems extremely odd and frankly weird to me to use a different pro sports playoff process over the pro sport you are following and playing in fantasy.
How is that different than a re-seeding? You don't know who those teams are going to play (especially the deeper in the playoffs it gets) so I am not sure what "path" you are seeing in one over the other. I am not sure I understand this reasoning aside from filling out a bracket before a tourney starts. For the purpose of predicting a "bracket" a fixed bracket is much better.
But as far as the path a #1 seed should get, it definitely should be the path of lowest seeds remaining as that makes getting the #1 seed worth something (theoretically).
eighsse2
Footballguy
It's literal fixed, rigid lines. It's a hierarchy, it's like circuitry. You don't know which team you're going to play, but you know the group of 2, or 4, or 8, ... from which that team will come at each level. Everything follows the lines. Probably just a personality thing, if some don't see beauty in it, that's fine, that's just people being different. But personally I love logic and hierarchies. (Even the NFL playoffs are halfway hierarchical, the two conferences being separated.)
ETA: Also on your last point, unless your teams are seeded based on points, or better yet some sort of "points weighted toward recency" formula, a lot of times in fantasy football it's a bit of a crapshoot as to which seed it is that you'd be most or least afraid to face.
In our league the #1 seed is definitely worth a lot, because it's the only one that gets a bye.
Ruffrodys05
IBL Representative
I'm under the assumption (I know, I know) that the great majority of fantasy football leagues have 6 playoff spots. As the #1 or #2 seeds have byes the first week of the playoffs each of those teams need to beat 2 of the other 5 seeds to win a championship. It is not too difficult to "see" who you might play ahead of time. As the #1 seed you'll play the #6, #5 or #4 seed in round two. In the championship round you'll play the winner of the second matchup in round 2. As the #2 seed, you'll get the tougher (on paper) matchup each round.
As for selecting my opponent in the playoffs? Nah, I'd prefer the league rules dictate by seeding who each playoff team will face each round. I do not want an arbitrary fixed bracket chosen by the hosting site to determine my possible playoff matchups each round.
As someone with an engineering background I do appreciate the beauty of fixed, rigid lines. So, I understand where you are coming from. Oh, and every matchup is mostly a crapshoot in fantasy football. Regular season and playoffs.
As for selecting my opponent in the playoffs? Nah, I'd prefer the league rules dictate by seeding who each playoff team will face each round. I do not want an arbitrary fixed bracket chosen by the hosting site to determine my possible playoff matchups each round.
As someone with an engineering background I do appreciate the beauty of fixed, rigid lines. So, I understand where you are coming from. Oh, and every matchup is mostly a crapshoot in fantasy football. Regular season and playoffs.
