Sell me on Kenny Irons... (1 Viewer)

[Rev]

At one point, I saw Irons was as a top value of this draft class, but after an injury-slowed senior year, he's sitting in one of the worst situations of any rookie, behind one of the most durable and consistent tailbacks in the league. Some see Irons as the eventual replacement for Rudi, but the two are far too close in age (4 years) to view Irons as the 'next generation.' And don't forget that Perry may someday be healthy too!

Could you justify burning even a late 1st on a highly talented player like Irons?

 

[Jene Bramel]

A good deal of this thread turned into a very good discussion of Kenny Irons.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

A good deal of this thread turned into a very good discussion of Kenny Irons.

Thanks for saving me the trouble.

 

[Rev]

A good deal of this thread turned into a very good discussion of Kenny Irons.

Thanks for saving me the trouble.

Uh... the above thread is ok but focused on a bunch of different backs and not very indepth. So let the discussion continue and move along, please.

 

[Dhizz]

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[Rev]

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These threads are worthless. The first 2 are before the draft and the last one is 10 useless posts. I friggin' give up.

 

[Dirty Weasel]

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These threads are worthless. The first 2 are before the draft and the last one is 10 useless posts. I friggin' give up.

12 team dynasty, PPR, QB, 2RB, 2WR, Flex, TE, K, DQB: B. Favre, A. Rogers, D. Brees, C. Palmer

RB: R. Johnson, C. Perry, S. Jackson, K. Jones, B. Calhoun, L. White, DeAngelo Williams, D. Rhodes, J. Addai,

WR: T. Holt, A. Johnson, L. Evans, M. Muhammad, Roy Williams, A. Battle, B. Edwards, Vince Jackson,

TE: T. Gonzalas, C. Cooley, V. Davis

D: Vikings, Broncos

By looking at your roster (which is sick, BTW), I see no reason why you shouldn't take Kenny.

 

[gman8343]

I like Irons alot if you can wait a year or two. He could push for time as early as this season, getting 10-12 carries a game.

Rudi's been very good in fantasy, but he's not an elite NFL back. I'd put him one notch above guys like Chester Taylor/Lamont Jordan. He's good, not great, and if you're not great, you are always at risk of losing your job.

Irons is a very good workmanlike RB and could put up excellent numbers in Cincy's offense. If Rudi logs 340+ carries the next two years, he could be about done. Or Irons could simply outplay Rudi - It's not like Rudi's been that dominating, especially in the 4th quarter.

I wouldn't draft him expecting him to take over this year, but if you can hold him, he could pay excellent dividends.

Full disclosure: I took him in the 2nd round of a recent dynasty draft.

 

[chris1969]

Kenny Irons

Iron Mike Ditka

Nuff said

It's like those guys with Tank in their name

 

[EBF]

It's pretty simple. He was a solid back in college, he has the measurables necessary to excel, and he landed on one of the best young offensive teams in the NFL. He has a lot of value and is arguably the RB3-5 in this crop.

 

[Enoch]

How would you guys rank him with Lorenzo Booker & Tony Hunt? I just Booker over Irons at 2.2 :( this site has alot Booker love

 

[Garts]

I like Irons alot if you can wait a year or two. He could push for time as early as this season, getting 10-12 carries a game. Rudi's been very good in fantasy, but he's not an elite NFL back. I'd put him one notch above guys like Chester Taylor/Lamont Jordan. He's good, not great, and if you're not great, you are always at risk of losing your job.Irons is a very good workmanlike RB and could put up excellent numbers in Cincy's offense. If Rudi logs 340+ carries the next two years, he could be about done. Or Irons could simply outplay Rudi - It's not like Rudi's been that dominating, especially in the 4th quarter. I wouldn't draft him expecting him to take over this year, but if you can hold him, he could pay excellent dividends. Full disclosure: I took him in the 2nd round of a recent dynasty draft.

No, Rudi isn't an elite talent but what he is...is ultra consistent, super durable and moves the chains and works the clock...and is wicked at the stripe.Sometimes this is more important then a talented guy who doesn't take care of the dirty work.

 

[Royal Hawaiian Opihi]

A good deal of this thread turned into a very good discussion of Kenny Irons.

:( Thanks for saving me the trouble.

Uh... the above thread is ok but focused on a bunch of different backs and not very indepth. So let the discussion continue and move along, please.

Actually, it's quite informative on Irons... if you give it a chance. Sift through the stuff that's not about him. Think of it as a good opportunity to use your selective reading skills!

 

[Rev]

12 team dynasty, PPR, QB, 2RB, 2WR, Flex, TE, K, D

QB: B. Favre, A. Rogers, D. Brees, C. Palmer

RB: R. Johnson, C. Perry, S. Jackson, K. Jones, B. Calhoun, L. White, DeAngelo Williams, D. Rhodes, J. Addai,

WR: T. Holt, A. Johnson, L. Evans, M. Muhammad, Roy Williams, A. Battle, B. Edwards, Vince Jackson,

TE: T. Gonzalas, C. Cooley, V. Davis

D: Vikings, Broncos

By looking at your roster (which is sick, BTW), I see no reason why you shouldn't take Kenny.

I have the 1.8 and, aside from the many WRs available there, I see Chris Henry as having slightly more value than Irons, especially as a LenDale White owner. Rudi represents a significant road block, IMO, whereas the raw Henry only has Fatdale in his way (or in his dust).

 

[EBF]

12 team dynasty, PPR, QB, 2RB, 2WR, Flex, TE, K, D

QB: B. Favre, A. Rogers, D. Brees, C. Palmer

RB: R. Johnson, C. Perry, S. Jackson, K. Jones, B. Calhoun, L. White, DeAngelo Williams, D. Rhodes, J. Addai,

WR: T. Holt, A. Johnson, L. Evans, M. Muhammad, Roy Williams, A. Battle, B. Edwards, Vince Jackson,

TE: T. Gonzalas, C. Cooley, V. Davis

D: Vikings, Broncos

By looking at your roster (which is sick, BTW), I see no reason why you shouldn't take Kenny.

I have the 1.8 and, aside from the many WRs available there, I see Chris Henry as having slightly more value than Irons, especially as a LenDale White owner. Rudi represents a significant road block, IMO, whereas the raw Henry only has Fatdale in his way (or in his dust).

If only it were that simple. Cincinnati is a much better team than Tennessee. So while the path to the starting job is tougher, the starting job for the Bengals is worth a lot more than the starting job for the Titans.

 

[greyone]

Henry will be gone before th 1.8.

Irons will be available.

After reading "the" thread, easily my choice.

 

[BigTex]

Rudi had value sitting behind Corey but not many saw it, only the "few". The "few" saw the talent and knew the oppurtunity was coming and the "few" took avantage of the oppurtunity snatching Rudi when many were too busy labeling Auburn RBs as "busts". The roles are now reverse it's Irons that is sitting behind Rudi and only the "few" see the true value and only they will reap the rewards of a great oppurtunity.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

A good deal of this thread turned into a very good discussion of Kenny Irons.

Thanks for saving me the trouble.

Uh... the above thread is ok but focused on a bunch of different backs and not very indepth. So let the discussion continue and move along, please.

Actually, that thread brings much more to the table about Irons and much more depth about the entire situation than you have. It discusses Irons in depth, commentary on Rudi's long term prospects, Cincy salary cap considerations in 09 that could impact Rudi seeing the last year of his contract, etc. You being dismissive of that and lacking the energy to read it makes others who do support Irons feel that this thread is not worth our time or enegy. If you doubt it, look at EBF's post in that thread and this one.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Irons is the true back up to Rudi... I think Perry has wore out his 1st round selection welcome..

However Rudi is in his prime and both Rudi and Perry are signed till 09.. you guys have atleast a 2 yr wait.

Chris Perry is not expected to be healthy in time for training camp.

The Cincinnati Enquirer has confirmed he's recovering from an ankle-fibula fracture, which sounds similar to the injury Terrell Owens suffered before the Super Bowl with the Eagles. Perry is under contract for cheap through 2009, so he's not going anywhere despite all his injuries.

 

[Rev]

A good deal of this thread turned into a very good discussion of Kenny Irons.

Thanks for saving me the trouble.

Uh... the above thread is ok but focused on a bunch of different backs and not very indepth. So let the discussion continue and move along, please.

Actually, that thread brings much more to the table about Irons and much more depth about the entire situation than you have. It discusses Irons in depth, commentary on Rudi's long term prospects, Cincy salary cap considerations in 09 that could impact Rudi seeing the last year of his contract, etc. You being dismissive of that and lacking the energy to read it makes others who do support Irons feel that this thread is not worth our time or enegy. If you doubt it, look at EBF's post in that thread and this one.

I'll admit, I initially felt like insulting your intelligence after reading this condescending post, but then I realized that posts like yours, and the petty arguments they spawn, are far more frustrating to read than a new thread that is marginally related to a prior one. Take your own advice about wasting time and space on the board.

I have read the thread you mention and, while it has some helpful individual posts, its perfectly appropriate to have a more up to date and centered conversation about Irons.

 

[gman8343]

I like Irons alot if you can wait a year or two. He could push for time as early as this season, getting 10-12 carries a game.

Rudi's been very good in fantasy, but he's not an elite NFL back. I'd put him one notch above guys like Chester Taylor/Lamont Jordan. He's good, not great, and if you're not great, you are always at risk of losing your job.

Irons is a very good workmanlike RB and could put up excellent numbers in Cincy's offense. If Rudi logs 340+ carries the next two years, he could be about done. Or Irons could simply outplay Rudi - It's not like Rudi's been that dominating, especially in the 4th quarter.

I wouldn't draft him expecting him to take over this year, but if you can hold him, he could pay excellent dividends.

Full disclosure: I took him in the 2nd round of a recent dynasty draft.

No, Rudi isn't an elite talent but what he is...is ultra consistent, super durable and moves the chains and works the clock...and is wicked at the stripe.Sometimes this is more important then a talented guy who doesn't take care of the dirty work.

Rudi had under 4 ypc last season. He is not involved in the passing game. His longest run last year was under 25 yards (that is awful). He has over 1000 carries over the last three years - a lot of contact for a power back. He was LESS effective in the 4th quarter than he was in the 1st (Cecil Lammey has a GREAT post on this Here.Rudi is not a great RB. He is good, maybe not even very good. Irons will get a chance for playing time. Whether he's good enough to push Rudi out is anyone's guess, but I think he's got more skills than Rudi.

 

[Balco]

It's pretty simple. He was a solid back in college, he has the measurables necessary to excel, and he landed on one of the best young offensive teams in the NFL. He has a lot of value and is arguably the RB3-5 in this crop.

I have him as the # 3 after Adrian PEterson and Marshawn Lynch in Dynasties. People will be scared off because he has Johnson in his way, but everyone knows that things can change in a hurry (remember when the Saints had Ricky Williams, and they drafted Deuce McAllister?).Irons is a solid player who put up good stats in a very tough SEC. Although he is not a big back, he is big enough and, more imprtantly, he can run bewtween the tackles. He has solid vision and plays quicker than his 40 time. Bengals staff already raving about his explosiveness and vision.

 

[Cookiemonster]

I'll admit, I initially felt like insulting your intelligence after reading this condescending post, but then I realized that posts like yours, and the petty arguments they spawn, are far more frustrating to read than a new thread that is marginally related to a prior one. Take your own advice about wasting time and space on the board. I have read the thread you mention and, while it has some helpful individual posts, its perfectly appropriate to have a more up to date and centered conversation about Irons.

I'll admit, I initially felt like insulting your intelligence after reading this condescending post, but then I realized that posts like yours, and the petty arguments they spawn, are far more frustrating to read than a new thread that is marginally related to a prior one. Take your own advice about wasting time and space on the board. I have read the thread you mention and, while it has some helpful individual posts, its perfectly appropriate to have a more up to date and centered conversation about Irons.Take a little more of a cursory look skimming through the thread. It is fairly recent and relevant and does compare like RBs. If you are really looking at who you should draft w/ the 1.09 ('cause you appear to be in a 10 team league), why don't you just go try the ACF. ETA: I did purposely copy and paste your post since it applies to you as well Rev.

 

[gregjcross]

I drafted Irons at 14th in my dynasty rookie draft. The big two backs, as well as Brandon Jackson and Chris Henry were already gone. I knew Irons would drop because of Rudi; and since it was Irons vs. a couple of WRs: D.Bowe and R. Meacham and the TE from Oakland, I snapped him up with no hesitation, I thought it was straight forward pick.

The reason I took him this early is that I want the player that...

a) Will be next to Carson Palmer for many years

b) Has a solid O-line should when he gets the call.

c) Is one ankle injury away from getting significant work.

d) has little competition as a backup, Chris Perry has never been healthy for more than three weeks.

I followed up Irons with Sidney Rice so I still ended up with a decent WR prospect.

 

[Garts]

I like Irons alot if you can wait a year or two. He could push for time as early as this season, getting 10-12 carries a game.

Rudi's been very good in fantasy, but he's not an elite NFL back. I'd put him one notch above guys like Chester Taylor/Lamont Jordan. He's good, not great, and if you're not great, you are always at risk of losing your job.

Irons is a very good workmanlike RB and could put up excellent numbers in Cincy's offense. If Rudi logs 340+ carries the next two years, he could be about done. Or Irons could simply outplay Rudi - It's not like Rudi's been that dominating, especially in the 4th quarter.

I wouldn't draft him expecting him to take over this year, but if you can hold him, he could pay excellent dividends.

Full disclosure: I took him in the 2nd round of a recent dynasty draft.

No, Rudi isn't an elite talent but what he is...is ultra consistent, super durable and moves the chains and works the clock...and is wicked at the stripe.Sometimes this is more important then a talented guy who doesn't take care of the dirty work.

Rudi had under 4 ypc last season. He is not involved in the passing game. His longest run last year was under 25 yards (that is awful). He has over 1000 carries over the last three years - a lot of contact for a power back. He was LESS effective in the 4th quarter than he was in the 1st (Cecil Lammey has a GREAT post on this Here.Rudi is not a great RB. He is good, maybe not even very good. Irons will get a chance for playing time. Whether he's good enough to push Rudi out is anyone's guess, but I think he's got more skills than Rudi.

Take a peak at the Cincinatti OL injury problems last year...Do you think THAT had anything to do with Rudi's ypc??

 

[The Royal Jack]

I think that the Bengals had a much larger role in mind for Chris Perry heading into '06 after his end to '05. But injuries ended that posibility last season. I would GUESS that the drafting of Irons is an indication that they are not confident that Chris Perry will be able to overcome his injuries to a degree that will allow him to reach his potential.

So essentially Irons will likely be asked to fill the role that Perry would have had in '06- talented 3rd down and situational back. For that reason I don't think he is in the worst position of any rookie.

With that said I don't know that Irons will ever be an everydown back in the NFL (size and talent) and basically falls into the the same category as Booker - likely career backups/ spot starter.

Irons went 12th in my dynasty rookie draft - fyi

 

[Rev]

I think that the Bengals had a much larger role in mind for Chris Perry heading into '06 after his end to '05. But injuries ended that posibility last season. I would GUESS that the drafting of Irons is an indication that they are not confident that Chris Perry will be able to overcome his injuries to a degree that will allow him to reach his potential. So essentially Irons will likely be asked to fill the role that Perry would have had in '06- talented 3rd down and situational back. For that reason I don't think he is in the worst position of any rookie.With that said I don't know that Irons will ever be an everydown back in the NFL (size and talent) and basically falls into the the same category as Booker - likely career backups/ spot starter.Irons went 12th in my dynasty rookie draft - fyi

I agree that Irons isn't in as bad a situation as many say. And, I also think that he's in a better spot than Booker, and that he has much more of an NFL build. After listening to the chatter on this board, I actually picked Irons over Henry in my leagues draft. As a Rudi and LenDale owner, hopefully I don't regret that.

 

[EBF]

I think that the Bengals had a much larger role in mind for Chris Perry heading into '06 after his end to '05. But injuries ended that posibility last season. I would GUESS that the drafting of Irons is an indication that they are not confident that Chris Perry will be able to overcome his injuries to a degree that will allow him to reach his potential. So essentially Irons will likely be asked to fill the role that Perry would have had in '06- talented 3rd down and situational back. For that reason I don't think he is in the worst position of any rookie.With that said I don't know that Irons will ever be an everydown back in the NFL (size and talent) and basically falls into the the same category as Booker - likely career backups/ spot starter.Irons went 12th in my dynasty rookie draft - fyi

I agree that Irons isn't in as bad a situation as many say. And, I also think that he's in a better spot than Booker, and that he has much more of an NFL build. After listening to the chatter on this board, I actually picked Irons over Henry in my leagues draft. As a Rudi and LenDale owner, hopefully I don't regret that.

That's hardly a type pick. Irons was drafted before Henry and is on a much better team.The only reason people are taking Henry over Irons is because he appears to have a much better chance at earning early playing time. But does anyone really expect a Tennessee RB to help carry their FF team next year? The Titans have no talent on offense. Unless Vince Young walks on water, they won't be scoring many points for the next year or two.

 

[gman8343]

I like Irons alot if you can wait a year or two. He could push for time as early as this season, getting 10-12 carries a game.

Rudi's been very good in fantasy, but he's not an elite NFL back. I'd put him one notch above guys like Chester Taylor/Lamont Jordan. He's good, not great, and if you're not great, you are always at risk of losing your job.

Irons is a very good workmanlike RB and could put up excellent numbers in Cincy's offense. If Rudi logs 340+ carries the next two years, he could be about done. Or Irons could simply outplay Rudi - It's not like Rudi's been that dominating, especially in the 4th quarter.

I wouldn't draft him expecting him to take over this year, but if you can hold him, he could pay excellent dividends.

Full disclosure: I took him in the 2nd round of a recent dynasty draft.

No, Rudi isn't an elite talent but what he is...is ultra consistent, super durable and moves the chains and works the clock...and is wicked at the stripe.Sometimes this is more important then a talented guy who doesn't take care of the dirty work.

Rudi had under 4 ypc last season. He is not involved in the passing game. His longest run last year was under 25 yards (that is awful). He has over 1000 carries over the last three years - a lot of contact for a power back. He was LESS effective in the 4th quarter than he was in the 1st (Cecil Lammey has a GREAT post on this Here.Rudi is not a great RB. He is good, maybe not even very good. Irons will get a chance for playing time. Whether he's good enough to push Rudi out is anyone's guess, but I think he's got more skills than Rudi.

Take a peak at the Cincinatti OL injury problems last year...Do you think THAT had anything to do with Rudi's ypc??

Why the ? What's that all about?Are you saying that every point I mentioned about Rudi (low ypc, no breakaway runs, not involved in passing game, tons of contact last 3 seasons) can be explained by a shaky offensive line last season?

It's fine if you disagree with my points, but all I am trying to say is that Rudi is a good, but not great, workmanlike runningback. If he is replaced within the next two seasons by Irons or Perry or someone else, it would not shock me in the slightest. Just being consistant isn't enough to retain a job IMO. Teams are always looking to improve, and since Rudi doesn't have many long runs, he may lose some touches to another RB.

 

[JAA]

I like Irons alot if you can wait a year or two. He could push for time as early as this season, getting 10-12 carries a game. Rudi's been very good in fantasy, but he's not an elite NFL back. I'd put him one notch above guys like Chester Taylor/Lamont Jordan. He's good, not great, and if you're not great, you are always at risk of losing your job.Irons is a very good workmanlike RB and could put up excellent numbers in Cincy's offense. If Rudi logs 340+ carries the next two years, he could be about done. Or Irons could simply outplay Rudi - It's not like Rudi's been that dominating, especially in the 4th quarter. I wouldn't draft him expecting him to take over this year, but if you can hold him, he could pay excellent dividends. Full disclosure: I took him in the 2nd round of a recent dynasty draft.

How can you not call Rudi a workhorse back yet say Irons is workman like?

 

[gman8343]

I like Irons alot if you can wait a year or two. He could push for time as early as this season, getting 10-12 carries a game. Rudi's been very good in fantasy, but he's not an elite NFL back. I'd put him one notch above guys like Chester Taylor/Lamont Jordan. He's good, not great, and if you're not great, you are always at risk of losing your job.Irons is a very good workmanlike RB and could put up excellent numbers in Cincy's offense. If Rudi logs 340+ carries the next two years, he could be about done. Or Irons could simply outplay Rudi - It's not like Rudi's been that dominating, especially in the 4th quarter. I wouldn't draft him expecting him to take over this year, but if you can hold him, he could pay excellent dividends. Full disclosure: I took him in the 2nd round of a recent dynasty draft.

How can you not call Rudi a workhorse back yet say Irons is workman like?

Where did I say Rudi wasn't a workhorse back? Of course he is -- I'm saying he's not an elite talent, has a ton of touches over the last three years and doesn't break many long runs.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I think that the Bengals had a much larger role in mind for Chris Perry heading into '06 after his end to '05. But injuries ended that posibility last season. I would GUESS that the drafting of Irons is an indication that they are not confident that Chris Perry will be able to overcome his injuries to a degree that will allow him to reach his potential. So essentially Irons will likely be asked to fill the role that Perry would have had in '06- talented 3rd down and situational back. For that reason I don't think he is in the worst position of any rookie.With that said I don't know that Irons will ever be an everydown back in the NFL (size and talent) and basically falls into the the same category as Booker - likely career backups/ spot starter.Irons went 12th in my dynasty rookie draft - fyi

I agree that Irons isn't in as bad a situation as many say. And, I also think that he's in a better spot than Booker, and that he has much more of an NFL build. After listening to the chatter on this board, I actually picked Irons over Henry in my leagues draft. As a Rudi and LenDale owner, hopefully I don't regret that.

You will. I'm not entirely sure why a person would select the backup to a 27 year old coming off of 3 seasons where he averaged 1400 yards and 12tds per season over a guy going to a run heavy team with no one to rely on in the backfield.

 

[EBF]

I think that the Bengals had a much larger role in mind for Chris Perry heading into '06 after his end to '05. But injuries ended that posibility last season. I would GUESS that the drafting of Irons is an indication that they are not confident that Chris Perry will be able to overcome his injuries to a degree that will allow him to reach his potential. So essentially Irons will likely be asked to fill the role that Perry would have had in '06- talented 3rd down and situational back. For that reason I don't think he is in the worst position of any rookie.With that said I don't know that Irons will ever be an everydown back in the NFL (size and talent) and basically falls into the the same category as Booker - likely career backups/ spot starter.Irons went 12th in my dynasty rookie draft - fyi

I agree that Irons isn't in as bad a situation as many say. And, I also think that he's in a better spot than Booker, and that he has much more of an NFL build. After listening to the chatter on this board, I actually picked Irons over Henry in my leagues draft. As a Rudi and LenDale owner, hopefully I don't regret that.

You will. I'm not entirely sure why a person would select the backup to a 27 year old coming off of 3 seasons where he averaged 1400 yards and 12tds per season over a guy going to a run heavy team with no one to rely on in the backfield.

The thing is, the Titans have one of the least talented offenses in football. Aside from Young and maybe Troupe, do they have a single skill position player who would start on any other NFL team? Even if Henry wins the job, he's probably not going to be worth all that much. I'd rather have Irons in a dynasty. He's probably the better player and he's on a much better team.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

I think that the Bengals had a much larger role in mind for Chris Perry heading into '06 after his end to '05. But injuries ended that posibility last season. I would GUESS that the drafting of Irons is an indication that they are not confident that Chris Perry will be able to overcome his injuries to a degree that will allow him to reach his potential. So essentially Irons will likely be asked to fill the role that Perry would have had in '06- talented 3rd down and situational back. For that reason I don't think he is in the worst position of any rookie.With that said I don't know that Irons will ever be an everydown back in the NFL (size and talent) and basically falls into the the same category as Booker - likely career backups/ spot starter.Irons went 12th in my dynasty rookie draft - fyi

I agree that Irons isn't in as bad a situation as many say. And, I also think that he's in a better spot than Booker, and that he has much more of an NFL build. After listening to the chatter on this board, I actually picked Irons over Henry in my leagues draft. As a Rudi and LenDale owner, hopefully I don't regret that.

You will. I'm not entirely sure why a person would select the backup to a 27 year old coming off of 3 seasons where he averaged 1400 yards and 12tds per season over a guy going to a run heavy team with no one to rely on in the backfield.

The thing is, the Titans have one of the least talented offenses in football. Aside from Young and maybe Troupe, do they have a single skill position player who would start on any other NFL team? Even if Henry wins the job, he's probably not going to be worth all that much. I'd rather have Irons in a dynasty. He's probably the better player and he's on a much better team.

Travis Henry was quite successful in Tennessee last year, despite the lack of skill position talent on the Titans roster. So why shouldn't the starting RB in Tennessee have a shot at success this year?

 

[JAA]

I like Irons alot if you can wait a year or two. He could push for time as early as this season, getting 10-12 carries a game.

Rudi's been very good in fantasy, but he's not an elite NFL back. I'd put him one notch above guys like Chester Taylor/Lamont Jordan. He's good, not great, and if you're not great, you are always at risk of losing your job.

Irons is a very good workmanlike RB and could put up excellent numbers in Cincy's offense. If Rudi logs 340+ carries the next two years, he could be about done. Or Irons could simply outplay Rudi - It's not like Rudi's been that dominating, especially in the 4th quarter.

I wouldn't draft him expecting him to take over this year, but if you can hold him, he could pay excellent dividends.

Full disclosure: I took him in the 2nd round of a recent dynasty draft.

How can you not call Rudi a workhorse back yet say Irons is workman like?

Where did I say Rudi wasn't a workhorse back? Of course he is -- I'm saying he's not an elite talent, has a ton of touches over the last three years and doesn't break many long runs.

 

[gman8343]

I like Irons alot if you can wait a year or two. He could push for time as early as this season, getting 10-12 carries a game.

Rudi's been very good in fantasy, but he's not an elite NFL back. I'd put him one notch above guys like Chester Taylor/Lamont Jordan. He's good, not great, and if you're not great, you are always at risk of losing your job.

Irons is a very good workmanlike RB and could put up excellent numbers in Cincy's offense. If Rudi logs 340+ carries the next two years, he could be about done. Or Irons could simply outplay Rudi - It's not like Rudi's been that dominating, especially in the 4th quarter.

I wouldn't draft him expecting him to take over this year, but if you can hold him, he could pay excellent dividends.

Full disclosure: I took him in the 2nd round of a recent dynasty draft.

How can you not call Rudi a workhorse back yet say Irons is workman like?

Where did I say Rudi wasn't a workhorse back? Of course he is -- I'm saying he's not an elite talent, has a ton of touches over the last three years and doesn't break many long runs.

Workhorse does NOT equal elite.

 

[EBF]

I think that the Bengals had a much larger role in mind for Chris Perry heading into '06 after his end to '05. But injuries ended that posibility last season. I would GUESS that the drafting of Irons is an indication that they are not confident that Chris Perry will be able to overcome his injuries to a degree that will allow him to reach his potential. So essentially Irons will likely be asked to fill the role that Perry would have had in '06- talented 3rd down and situational back. For that reason I don't think he is in the worst position of any rookie.With that said I don't know that Irons will ever be an everydown back in the NFL (size and talent) and basically falls into the the same category as Booker - likely career backups/ spot starter.Irons went 12th in my dynasty rookie draft - fyi

I agree that Irons isn't in as bad a situation as many say. And, I also think that he's in a better spot than Booker, and that he has much more of an NFL build. After listening to the chatter on this board, I actually picked Irons over Henry in my leagues draft. As a Rudi and LenDale owner, hopefully I don't regret that.

You will. I'm not entirely sure why a person would select the backup to a 27 year old coming off of 3 seasons where he averaged 1400 yards and 12tds per season over a guy going to a run heavy team with no one to rely on in the backfield.

The thing is, the Titans have one of the least talented offenses in football. Aside from Young and maybe Troupe, do they have a single skill position player who would start on any other NFL team? Even if Henry wins the job, he's probably not going to be worth all that much. I'd rather have Irons in a dynasty. He's probably the better player and he's on a much better team.

Travis Henry was quite successful in Tennessee last year, despite the lack of skill position talent on the Titans roster. So why shouldn't the starting RB in Tennessee have a shot at success this year?

IMO, Travis Henry is quite a bit better than either of the guys on the roster right now.

 

[Bojang0301]

I'm sorry but you don't draft two RB's in the first and second rounds of their respective drafts and have it not be a reflection of whoever the starter is.

 

[Rev]

I agree that Irons isn't in as bad a situation as many say. And, I also think that he's in a better spot than Booker, and that he has much more of an NFL build. After listening to the chatter on this board, I actually picked Irons over Henry in my leagues draft. As a Rudi and LenDale owner, hopefully I don't regret that.

You will. I'm not entirely sure why a person would select the backup to a 27 year old coming off of 3 seasons where he averaged 1400 yards and 12tds per season over a guy going to a run heavy team with no one to rely on in the backfield.

I don't know, Colin. I tell you what... I had Henry all cued up and ready to draft, but then I said to myself: "Do I really want to burn this 1st rounder on a raw running back on a team with a lackluster offense which will likely end up with a top 10 draft pick in 2008, at which point they will probably grab the best RB on the rookie market?" And I answered myself saying, "No, my good man. This is dynasty. Take the best back, and lock down the Bengels running game for years to come."Makes sense to me.

 

[Rev]

I'm sorry but you don't draft two RB's in the first and second rounds of their respective drafts and have it not be a reflection of whoever the starter is.

Who are you talking about here?

 

[SayWhat?]

I'm sorry but you don't draft two RB's in the first and second rounds of their respective drafts and have it not be a reflection of whoever the starter is.

Who are you talking about here?

I presume he's talking about the Bengals, with Perry in the 1st and now Irons in the 2nd.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I agree that Irons isn't in as bad a situation as many say. And, I also think that he's in a better spot than Booker, and that he has much more of an NFL build. After listening to the chatter on this board, I actually picked Irons over Henry in my leagues draft. As a Rudi and LenDale owner, hopefully I don't regret that.

You will. I'm not entirely sure why a person would select the backup to a 27 year old coming off of 3 seasons where he averaged 1400 yards and 12tds per season over a guy going to a run heavy team with no one to rely on in the backfield.

I don't know, Colin. I tell you what... I had Henry all cued up and ready to draft, but then I said to myself: "Do I really want to burn this 1st rounder on a raw running back on a team with a lackluster offense which will likely end up with a top 10 draft pick in 2008, at which point they will probably grab the best RB on the rookie market?" And I answered myself saying, "No, my good man. This is dynasty. Take the best back, and lock down the Bengels running game for years to come."Makes sense to me.

I don't think Kenny Irons is anything special, so the "best back" thing is out the window for me. That said, you have virtually no chance of Irons doing anything this year with Rudy around (barring injury, which is unpredictable). So, let's call 2007 a wash for you, whereas Henry will likely get on a the field a fair amount. Going in to 2008, there is a chance (albeit a small one) that Rudy is gone and Irons is the starter in Cincy. There is also a chance that the Titans have addressed the skill position void, either by Williams and Jones improving, through the draft, or via free agency.The wild card is if Henry is a bust, which is the only valid concern I see when comparing the two. For my money, I don't know if Henry is going to be any good. I DO think that Irons is not cut out to be much more then an 80 carry a year backup.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I'm sorry but you don't draft two RB's in the first and second rounds of their respective drafts and have it not be a reflection of whoever the starter is.

Sure you do if you don't have a backup at the position.