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Seriously thinking of starting my Def against my QB (1 Viewer)

Judge Smails

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I've never done this before. Only time it may work is if you have a QB who's guaranteed to give up a bunch of sacks. That would be Warner. Sacks don't count against him. He could end up with 250 yards, 2 TD's, 2 picks, a fumble, and 7 sacks. Both would scored decently. Bad idea?

 
Depends on the QB and the D. Favre v the Eagles... yep.

I could see him throwing 2-3 TDs and 2-3 picks, giving up a handful of sacks.

 
i don't pay attention to crap like thatstart the best players you can, period
Well, that's the general idea. Still, a situation like this might make some owners look to the waiver wires to see if they can start something better. I think that's something worth doing every week, but, hey, anything that makes it happen, right?
 
i don't pay attention to crap like thatstart the best players you can, period
Well, that's the general idea. Still, a situation like this might make some owners look to the waiver wires to see if they can start something better. I think that's something worth doing every week, but, hey, anything that makes it happen, right?
The QB you have is going to throw TDs against that defense this weekend, regardless of who you start. So, do you want points against your D with no points for your team? Unless you find a WW Qb who's going to outperform your starter you might as well get the points that are going to be scored against your D regardless.
 
i don't pay attention to crap like thatstart the best players you can, period
But you're lowering your maximum output. Your QB can't throw 3 tds and the D get a shutout. It all depends how good your team is. Do you need to maintain your upside? Or will an average game from your QB/D be enough to win? So you start your QB, the D facing him, your QBs WR, QBs RB, QBs TE. They all can't go off. They probably all won't get TDs. They all might all project fairly well, but there's a limit on the amount of production they can reasonably get. For example, you might not see a problem with starting Peyton Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Rhodes, Clark. On their own they're all decent to good starts. Together, while you might have a better floor, your ceiling is pretty limited. Starting Indy might net you 5 tds, maybe 6. Or start Eli Manning, Holt, Keyshawn, TJ, LJ Smith. While your floor might be lower, your upside is probably 7-8-9-10ish TDs. It's impossible that Harrison/Wayne/Rhodes/Clark all get 2 tds. But the 2nd group, at least the perfect TD storm could happen on a given week.Anyway, I think there is some interesting discussion on starting your QB vs your team D. I wouldn't do it. If your QB goes off for 4 tds, your D probably scores 2-3 points. If your D pitches a shutout, obviously your QB had a horrible day. There's no win-win, at least most of the time. You always want a situation where your QB can go off, and your D can get a shutout. Hedging your bets is fine if you're a huge favorite, but most weeks I would not suggest it.
 
i don't pay attention to crap like thatstart the best players you can, period
But you're lowering your maximum output. Your QB can't throw 3 tds and the D get a shutout. It all depends how good your team is. Do you need to maintain your upside? Or will an average game from your QB/D be enough to win? So you start your QB, the D facing him, your QBs WR, QBs RB, QBs TE. They all can't go off. They probably all won't get TDs. They all might all project fairly well, but there's a limit on the amount of production they can reasonably get. For example, you might not see a problem with starting Peyton Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Rhodes, Clark. On their own they're all decent to good starts. Together, while you might have a better floor, your ceiling is pretty limited. Starting Indy might net you 5 tds, maybe 6. Or start Eli Manning, Holt, Keyshawn, TJ, LJ Smith. While your floor might be lower, your upside is probably 7-8-9-10ish TDs. It's impossible that Harrison/Wayne/Rhodes/Clark all get 2 tds. But the 2nd group, at least the perfect TD storm could happen on a given week.Anyway, I think there is some interesting discussion on starting your QB vs your team D. I wouldn't do it. If your QB goes off for 4 tds, your D probably scores 2-3 points. If your D pitches a shutout, obviously your QB had a horrible day. There's no win-win, at least most of the time. You always want a situation where your QB can go off, and your D can get a shutout. Hedging your bets is fine if you're a huge favorite, but most weeks I would not suggest it.
Your D can go off without your QB having an off day. If a Qb typicall throws two tds and a pick with a couple hundred yards passing, your D can still put up modest numbers. If the QB has a horrible D, your D does fine and it cancels out somewhat, but it's still better to be giving up the points to your own defense. That's guaranteeing a certain level of production from the two positions.Other factors to consider would be... defense could score a TD on a pick. The pick loss from QB to D is neutralized, but you pick up 6 pts from your D not at the expense of the QB.Because let's face it, unless you expect your D to post a shutout--in which case, why start your QB--it's going to give up a couple scores.
 
I started Eli Manning and Philly D in the same game. Mind you Philly D scored well and so did Eli, granted Eli got his points late in the game but it doesnt say how, it just says how many.

Generally im skeptical about doing it but sometime you have no other option. Plus what was said earlier, you tend to start your best options.

 
i don't pay attention to crap like thatstart the best players you can, period
But you're lowering your maximum output. Your QB can't throw 3 tds and the D get a shutout. It all depends how good your team is. Do you need to maintain your upside? Or will an average game from your QB/D be enough to win? So you start your QB, the D facing him, your QBs WR, QBs RB, QBs TE. They all can't go off. They probably all won't get TDs. They all might all project fairly well, but there's a limit on the amount of production they can reasonably get. For example, you might not see a problem with starting Peyton Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Rhodes, Clark. On their own they're all decent to good starts. Together, while you might have a better floor, your ceiling is pretty limited. Starting Indy might net you 5 tds, maybe 6. Or start Eli Manning, Holt, Keyshawn, TJ, LJ Smith. While your floor might be lower, your upside is probably 7-8-9-10ish TDs. It's impossible that Harrison/Wayne/Rhodes/Clark all get 2 tds. But the 2nd group, at least the perfect TD storm could happen on a given week.Anyway, I think there is some interesting discussion on starting your QB vs your team D. I wouldn't do it. If your QB goes off for 4 tds, your D probably scores 2-3 points. If your D pitches a shutout, obviously your QB had a horrible day. There's no win-win, at least most of the time. You always want a situation where your QB can go off, and your D can get a shutout. Hedging your bets is fine if you're a huge favorite, but most weeks I would not suggest it.
Your D can go off without your QB having an off day. If a Qb typicall throws two tds and a pick with a couple hundred yards passing, your D can still put up modest numbers. If the QB has a horrible D, your D does fine and it cancels out somewhat, but it's still better to be giving up the points to your own defense. That's guaranteeing a certain level of production from the two positions.Other factors to consider would be... defense could score a TD on a pick. The pick loss from QB to D is neutralized, but you pick up 6 pts from your D not at the expense of the QB.Because let's face it, unless you expect your D to post a shutout--in which case, why start your QB--it's going to give up a couple scores.
Rarely is the team with your starting QB going to get shut out, so that really shouldn't be a factor. Maybe if you are forced to start a bad QB due to byes/injuries, but otherwise you can forget about a shutout if you have a decent QB.I think the QB/D combo is effective when the defense is good and you are concerned about your QB's effectiveness. Examples are Vick at NO on Monday night and Leftwich at Indy. Defenses are so inconsistent , especially waiver wire teams, that you might as well get a defense that will limit your risk.
 
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Do you really think your rooting for the QB & the Defense will make any difference? Don't be a #######. Start your best team.

 

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