Settle an argument between co-workers... (1 Viewer)

[Chreesto]

A co-worker and I got into a discussion about whether the argument could be made that Green Bay has a better receiving corps than New England. I won't let you know which side of the argument I was on so as not to taint your responses. Please chime in with your thoughts as well as voting in the poll.

 

[porkins]

Seriously?

 

[Chase Stuart]

Can we please stop this?

 

[Modog814]

R. Moss > Driver

IMO Jennings > Stallworth

Welker > J. Jones + Ruvall

I can see an argument as I think it's closer than you might think at first glance. But NE's in better.

 

[FavreCo]

NE because of Moss alone. Stallworth is WAY overdue for his yearly hamstring injury.

 

[Warhogs]

My God, can someone be such a homer that this is debateable? Unreal.

 

[Banger]

It's not close. Are they better than Cincy? That's another question.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Green Bays are still realatively untested over time , but I would rank them in this order right now.

1. Moss

2. Driver

3. Jennings

4. Welker -same guts as Driver to go over the middle

5. Jones

6. Donald Lee

7 tie-Ben Watson & Stallworth

8. Ruvell Martin

9. Koren Robinson

10. Mike Vrabel

11. Jabbar Gafney, Bubba Franks and the rest on each team

Tough to really say since outside of Driver the Packs guys have no real track record. Also over the years Favre has managed to make Schroeder, Freeman, Chatmann and many others look way better than they proved to be for other teams.

Running three recievers I'd give the nod easily to N.E., Moss is so dominant he massively unbalances the equation, though the Packers do have quality across three. If we go to 4 reciever sets the Pack catches up or nearly draws even. If one is going with five receivers on the field I like the Pack.

 

[shadyridr]

Umm Moss >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Driver

Stallworth = Jennings

Welker >>>>>>>> Jones

 

[Chreesto]

Can we please stop this?

This isn't a "lets perform felatio on the Pats" thread. This is really more about the Packers receivers than anything else. I happen to agree with most of the posters on this board that NE is better and the difference is Moss. What really surprised me was, when you break it down player by player, how close it is. Considering the youth on Green Bay this could be a vastly different story in a year or two. I think the emergence of Green Bay is one of the (many) great stories of the year that is being drowned out by the Patriots hype. Before the season I thought Green Bay might be relevant but I never thought they would be dominant. The development of their receiving corps is a big part of that. I think it makes for good discussion.

 

[shadyridr]

Can we please stop this?

This isn't a "lets perform felatio on the Pats" thread. This is really more about the Packers receivers than anything else. I happen to agree with most of the posters on this board that NE is better and the difference is Moss. What really surprised me was, when you break it down player by player, how close it is. Considering the youth on Green Bay this could be a vastly different story in a year or two. I think the emergence of Green Bay is one of the (many) great stories of the year that is being drowned out by the Patriots hype. Before the season I thought Green Bay might be relevant but I never thought they would be dominant. The development of their receiving corps is a big part of that. I think it makes for good discussion.

Umm no, no its not at all. The only WRs even close at all is Stallworth and Jennings. Even NE's 4th WR and TE is much better than GBs

 

[AnonymousBob]

How has anybody justified voting for Green Bay?

 

[Chreesto]

Can we please stop this?

This isn't a "lets perform felatio on the Pats" thread. This is really more about the Packers receivers than anything else. I happen to agree with most of the posters on this board that NE is better and the difference is Moss. What really surprised me was, when you break it down player by player, how close it is. Considering the youth on Green Bay this could be a vastly different story in a year or two. I think the emergence of Green Bay is one of the (many) great stories of the year that is being drowned out by the Patriots hype. Before the season I thought Green Bay might be relevant but I never thought they would be dominant. The development of their receiving corps is a big part of that. I think it makes for good discussion.

Umm no, no its not at all. The only WRs even close at all is Stallworth and Jennings. Even NE's 4th WR and TE is much better than GBs

We'll just have to disagree. I think Driver is very good and has been overlooked for most of his career. I give him the edge over all of New Englands receivers not named Moss. I definitely don't think NE's 4th WR and TE are better than Green Bay's. Koren Robinson is back you know.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Can we please stop this?

This isn't a "lets perform felatio on the Pats" thread. This is really more about the Packers receivers than anything else. I happen to agree with most of the posters on this board that NE is better and the difference is Moss. What really surprised me was, when you break it down player by player, how close it is. Considering the youth on Green Bay this could be a vastly different story in a year or two. I think the emergence of Green Bay is one of the (many) great stories of the year that is being drowned out by the Patriots hype. Before the season I thought Green Bay might be relevant but I never thought they would be dominant. The development of their receiving corps is a big part of that. I think it makes for good discussion.

Umm no, no its not at all. The only WRs even close at all is Stallworth and Jennings. Even NE's 4th WR and TE is much better than GBs

We'll just have to disagree. I think Driver is very good and has been overlooked for most of his career. I give him the edge over all of New Englands receivers not named Moss. I definitely don't think NE's 4th WR and TE are better than Green Bay's. Koren Robinson is back you know.

Okay, so you feel the #1 wr in Green Bay is worse than the #1 wr in New England...do you think Jennings and Koren are better than Stallworth and Welker?

 

[PatsWillWin]

Not close.

And for any of the Packer fans who voted for your team - please note that you cannot say that the GB WR group is better than NE's and then go to the MVP thread and say Favre has done more with less.

HTH.

 

[Phlash]

Can we please stop this?

This isn't a "lets perform felatio on the Pats" thread. This is really more about the Packers receivers than anything else. I happen to agree with most of the posters on this board that NE is better and the difference is Moss. What really surprised me was, when you break it down player by player, how close it is. Considering the youth on Green Bay this could be a vastly different story in a year or two. I think the emergence of Green Bay is one of the (many) great stories of the year that is being drowned out by the Patriots hype. Before the season I thought Green Bay might be relevant but I never thought they would be dominant. The development of their receiving corps is a big part of that. I think it makes for good discussion.

Umm no, no its not at all. The only WRs even close at all is Stallworth and Jennings. Even NE's 4th WR and TE is much better than GBs

We'll just have to disagree. I think Driver is very good and has been overlooked for most of his career. I give him the edge over all of New Englands receivers not named Moss. I definitely don't think NE's 4th WR and TE are better than Green Bay's. Koren Robinson is back you know.

Do you really think Donald Lee > Ben Watson? No way. Watson is a freak of nature...

 

[shadyridr]

Can we please stop this?

This isn't a "lets perform felatio on the Pats" thread. This is really more about the Packers receivers than anything else. I happen to agree with most of the posters on this board that NE is better and the difference is Moss. What really surprised me was, when you break it down player by player, how close it is. Considering the youth on Green Bay this could be a vastly different story in a year or two. I think the emergence of Green Bay is one of the (many) great stories of the year that is being drowned out by the Patriots hype. Before the season I thought Green Bay might be relevant but I never thought they would be dominant. The development of their receiving corps is a big part of that. I think it makes for good discussion.

Umm no, no its not at all. The only WRs even close at all is Stallworth and Jennings. Even NE's 4th WR and TE is much better than GBs

We'll just have to disagree. I think Driver is very good and has been overlooked for most of his career. I give him the edge over all of New Englands receivers not named Moss. I definitely don't think NE's 4th WR and TE are better than Green Bay's. Koren Robinson is back you know.

So Im guessing you are actually "your co-worker".

 

[Chreesto]

Can we please stop this?

This isn't a "lets perform felatio on the Pats" thread. This is really more about the Packers receivers than anything else. I happen to agree with most of the posters on this board that NE is better and the difference is Moss. What really surprised me was, when you break it down player by player, how close it is. Considering the youth on Green Bay this could be a vastly different story in a year or two. I think the emergence of Green Bay is one of the (many) great stories of the year that is being drowned out by the Patriots hype. Before the season I thought Green Bay might be relevant but I never thought they would be dominant. The development of their receiving corps is a big part of that. I think it makes for good discussion.

Umm no, no its not at all. The only WRs even close at all is Stallworth and Jennings. Even NE's 4th WR and TE is much better than GBs

We'll just have to disagree. I think Driver is very good and has been overlooked for most of his career. I give him the edge over all of New Englands receivers not named Moss. I definitely don't think NE's 4th WR and TE are better than Green Bay's. Koren Robinson is back you know.

Okay, so you feel the #1 wr in Green Bay is worse than the #1 wr in New England...do you think Jennings and Koren are better than Stallworth and Welker?

I think that Jennings, Jones, and Robinson are very close to if not equal to Stallworth, Welker and Gaffney. I think Watson is better than Lee but Lee is doing very well. We'll probably need to revisit that later in their careers to get a more accurate picture.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Can we please stop this?

This isn't a "lets perform felatio on the Pats" thread. This is really more about the Packers receivers than anything else. I happen to agree with most of the posters on this board that NE is better and the difference is Moss. What really surprised me was, when you break it down player by player, how close it is. Considering the youth on Green Bay this could be a vastly different story in a year or two. I think the emergence of Green Bay is one of the (many) great stories of the year that is being drowned out by the Patriots hype. Before the season I thought Green Bay might be relevant but I never thought they would be dominant. The development of their receiving corps is a big part of that. I think it makes for good discussion.

Umm no, no its not at all. The only WRs even close at all is Stallworth and Jennings. Even NE's 4th WR and TE is much better than GBs

We'll just have to disagree. I think Driver is very good and has been overlooked for most of his career. I give him the edge over all of New Englands receivers not named Moss. I definitely don't think NE's 4th WR and TE are better than Green Bay's. Koren Robinson is back you know.

Okay, so you feel the #1 wr in Green Bay is worse than the #1 wr in New England...do you think Jennings and Koren are better than Stallworth and Welker?

I think that Jennings, Jones, and Robinson are very close to if not equal to Stallworth, Welker and Gaffney. I think Watson is better than Lee but Lee is doing very well. We'll probably need to revisit that later in their careers to get a more accurate picture.

So...you think Moss is better than Driver. You also think Jennings, Jones and Robinson are about equal to Stallworth, Welker and Gaffney. And you ALSO think Watson is better than Lee.You or your co-worker need the homerism smacked outta their crazy head...there's no WAY GB wr's are close to NE wr's...

 

[Chreesto]

Can we please stop this?

This isn't a "lets perform felatio on the Pats" thread. This is really more about the Packers receivers than anything else. I happen to agree with most of the posters on this board that NE is better and the difference is Moss. What really surprised me was, when you break it down player by player, how close it is. Considering the youth on Green Bay this could be a vastly different story in a year or two. I think the emergence of Green Bay is one of the (many) great stories of the year that is being drowned out by the Patriots hype. Before the season I thought Green Bay might be relevant but I never thought they would be dominant. The development of their receiving corps is a big part of that. I think it makes for good discussion.

Umm no, no its not at all. The only WRs even close at all is Stallworth and Jennings. Even NE's 4th WR and TE is much better than GBs

We'll just have to disagree. I think Driver is very good and has been overlooked for most of his career. I give him the edge over all of New Englands receivers not named Moss. I definitely don't think NE's 4th WR and TE are better than Green Bay's. Koren Robinson is back you know.

So Im guessing you are actually "your co-worker".

Yeah. You got me. If you look around my posting history you'll see that I am a Bears fan with a temporary crush on the Patriots. (I love carnage) I'm definitely not a Packers fan. My co-worker is a die-hard packers fan and got affronted when I let him know that, after all analysis is done, the packers just don't measure up. They are good, maybe top 5 in the NFL but they don't have a first ballot hall of famer on their team and that tips the scale clearly in favor of NE.

 

[AB in DC]

We'll just have to disagree. I think Driver is very good and has been overlooked for most of his career. I give him the edge over all of New Englands receivers not named Moss. I definitely don't think NE's 4th WR and TE are better than Green Bay's. Koren Robinson is back you know.

 

[arlingtonpark27]

It's not close. Are they better than Cincy? That's another question.

:IBTL:

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Koren Robinson is back you know.

You know have zero credibility.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Its worth noting that the Packers and Favre have more total yards passing than the Pats and Brady through 10 games, so its a question worth asking. The main thing in the Packers' favor here is that, when healthy and out of jail, they can (and frequently do) go 5 wide with 5 legitimate NFL WR's. The Packer WR's were getting open at will on Sunday against three good Panther corners - Lucas, Marshall and Gamble. Favre often reaches his 4th and 5th reads, and obviously often looks to the TE Donald Lee, so its a pretty high quality group.

 

[bigmurd]

Koren Robinson is back you know.

You know have zero credibility.

Know how to spell now?

 

[Chreesto]

Koren Robinson is back you know.

You know have zero credibility.

You should go learn to spell right know!!!Does one lose credibility for the assertion that Koren Robinson is a good 4th wide receiver? I think that is a defensible position. Do you feel Koren Robinson is a bad 4th wide receiver? Have anything to add to the discussion or are you just trying to demonstrate your mastery of the english language?

 

[Steeler07]

Worst question ever.

Moss>>>>>>Jennings+Driver

 

[packersfan]

Patriots' WRs are better. And no it's not even close.

That said, Green Bay definitely has a nice receiving corps.

 

[David Yudkin]

Its worth noting that the Packers and Favre have more total yards passing than the Pats and Brady through 10 games, so its a question worth asking. The main thing in the Packers' favor here is that, when healthy and out of jail, they can (and frequently do) go 5 wide with 5 legitimate NFL WR's. The Packer WR's were getting open at will on Sunday against three good Panther corners - Lucas, Marshall and Gamble. Favre often reaches his 4th and 5th reads, and obviously often looks to the TE Donald Lee, so its a pretty high quality group.

Huh?Pats rank first in points scored, first in passing yards, first in total yards.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Its worth noting that the Packers and Favre have more total yards passing than the Pats and Brady through 10 games, so its a question worth asking. The main thing in the Packers' favor here is that, when healthy and out of jail, they can (and frequently do) go 5 wide with 5 legitimate NFL WR's. The Packer WR's were getting open at will on Sunday against three good Panther corners - Lucas, Marshall and Gamble. Favre often reaches his 4th and 5th reads, and obviously often looks to the TE Donald Lee, so its a pretty high quality group.

Huh?Pats rank first in points scored, first in passing yards, first in total yards.

I'm using the passing YPG here: http://www.nfl.com/stats/team

 

[TxBuckeye]

Does one lose credibility for the assertion that Koren Robinson is a good 4th wide receiver? I think that is a defensible position. Do you feel Koren Robinson is a bad 4th wide receiver?

Yes, I think it does. Koren has shown he has horrible hands and not much of a work ethic. He drops WAY to many passes. I have seen nothing from him that would cause me to think of him as a good WR at any position.

 

[thayman]

Its worth noting that the Packers and Favre have more total yards passing than the Pats and Brady through 10 games, so its a question worth asking. The main thing in the Packers' favor here is that, when healthy and out of jail, they can (and frequently do) go 5 wide with 5 legitimate NFL WR's. The Packer WR's were getting open at will on Sunday against three good Panther corners - Lucas, Marshall and Gamble. Favre often reaches his 4th and 5th reads, and obviously often looks to the TE Donald Lee, so its a pretty high quality group.

Huh?Pats rank first in points scored, first in passing yards, first in total yards.

On the season the Packers have passed for 2,689 yards, averaging 298.8 Yds/GThe Patriots have passed for 2,667 yards, averaging 296.3 Yds/G

 

[pats3in4]

On the season the Packers have passed for 2,689 yards, averaging 298.8 Yds/G

The Patriots have passed for 2,667 yards, averaging 296.3 Yds/G

My source has Brady leading the league with 3059yds and Favre 2nd at 2975yds:

Yahoo stats - QB

 

[pats3in4]

Its worth noting that the Packers and Favre have more total yards passing than the Pats and Brady through 10 games, so its a question worth asking. The main thing in the Packers' favor here is that, when healthy and out of jail, they can (and frequently do) go 5 wide with 5 legitimate NFL WR's. The Packer WR's were getting open at will on Sunday against three good Panther corners - Lucas, Marshall and Gamble. Favre often reaches his 4th and 5th reads, and obviously often looks to the TE Donald Lee, so its a pretty high quality group.

Huh?Pats rank first in points scored, first in passing yards, first in total yards.

I'm using the passing YPG here: http://www.nfl.com/stats/team

For whatever reason, they are (as of this posting) one game behind.

 

[Chreesto]

Does one lose credibility for the assertion that Koren Robinson is a good 4th wide receiver? I think that is a defensible position. Do you feel Koren Robinson is a bad 4th wide receiver?

Yes, I think it does. Koren has shown he has horrible hands and not much of a work ethic. He drops WAY to many passes. I have seen nothing from him that would cause me to think of him as a good WR at any position.

I disagree with you about Robinson's hands and from what I've heard his work ethic is good, he showed up ready to play because he was working out in Arizona with Ken Croner, of Athletes Performance. Maybe you haven't seen anything to think he is a good WR at any position but I don't think you were looking. This guy made the pro-bowl as a kick returner, was the 9th pick of the draft and had over 1200 yds receiving in 2002. His talent shouldn't really be questioned. Dude's problem is he is an absolute alcoholic. If he stays away from the sauce he is far better than a WR4. Keep in mind he is only 27 yrs old.

 

[Footballg]

Randy Moss >>> entire sum total Green Bay receiving corps

 

[Chreesto]

Randy Moss >>> entire sum total Green Bay receiving corps

Yeah I probably agree with this......

 

[-OZ-]

Randy Moss >>> entire sum total Green Bay receiving corps

Yeah I probably agree with this......

Yeah, but if you take away Moss, it's close.

 

[Footballg]

Randy Moss >>> entire sum total Green Bay receiving corps

Yeah I probably agree with this......

Yeah, but if you take away Moss, it's close.

Yeah, I probably agree with this.

 

[jurb26]

OK, is this settled yet:

Green Bay	   [ 16 ]	  ** [8.33%]New England 	[ 176 ] 	** [91.67%]