Same, over both him and Hernandez. Same floor but I think he has a better ceiling. Pretty much gambling anyway and it would be more fun to start Ajirotutu if he goes off.
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Seyi Ajirotutu (Who was Miles Austin before October 11, 2009?) (1 Viewer)
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Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
I may play him over Harvin. What do people feel his upside is this week? Top 15? 10?
packersfan
Footballguy
I'm hoping for Top 30.
Over Steve Smith? Wow, Smith has become unstartable apparently.
Not unstartable, but NO does a good job defending the pass. I simply like what's his names matchup better vs Houston.
Yeah, at least this week he presents a lot of risk with not a lot of upside. He got 1 catch for 6 yards against them earlier in the year and he did terrible against them last year. Matt Moore is pretty bad and it's hard to think he can do a lot better than Roethlisberger or better than he did earlier in the year especially after he did poorly last week. He can get double teamed while Moore gets blitzed constantly. I doubt you can say Smith is a good play this week. It's a gamble to start him but I'd rather gamble based on matchup and upside than on name value from prior years. It'd just be more fun too. Wouldn't care either way not expecting much from either.
MarcO
Footballguy
Last week vs. TENNThis week vs. HOU
Franknbeans
Footballguy
starting him over Manningham and Mason. I need a jolt.valhallan said:
ourmanflint
Footballguy
I see your point. Houston 30th ranked pass defenseTennessee 28th ranked pass defense
Tennessee DVOA - 24th vs. WR1, 1st vs. WR2, 3rd vs. other WRHouston DVOA - 20th vs. WR1, 28th vs. WR2, 22nd vs. other WR
JMJ
Footballguy
Last week Gates had over 120 yards and a TD. Gates isn't playing and McMichael at this point in his career is no longer a receiving threat (at least not a 120+ yard receiving threat). So lets say McMichael gets 30 yards receiving ... that leaves over 90 yards receiving (and a bunch more targets) to be spread around amongst guys like Ajirotutu, Crayton, and the backs.
You are looking at pass defense instead of FP. In my league scoring format, Houston is 31st in FP allowed to WR and Tennessee is 12th. According to standard scoring, SD's matchup goes from 18.2 (one of the bottom 8) last week to 25.4 (2nd best) this week.He was the leading WR last game so if you assume he's the leading WR this game he has the "potential" to put up the same points Floyd would put up against Houston. That's a very big IF but you can understand why some people think it's worth the risk considering their lack of options. It's easy to get carried away though since people don't know his potential but sometimes being unknown makes them a better play than someone who is known but has a low ceiling.
ourmanflint
Footballguy
Yes. Understood. The difference is touchdowns allowed (16 to 9). The yardage allowed is similar. So assuming he gets in the endzone it could be a nice play.
gethugefast1
Footballguy
How can you possibly look "really dumb" for this move? I've made around 30 moves in all of my leagues this year. Most were duds, some were Hillis, Vick, Orton, Torain, Blount, Mike Williams, Tamme, Amendola and others i can't remember right now. I'm not sure i looked really dumb when i picked up Danario Alexander only to see him flop and go under the knife for another knee operation a week later. Remember, if you pick up a dud, you can just drop him so there is no loss. Even in a WW auction league you probably can get this guy for $0 or $1.You're probably right. I have a feeling, though, that I'm either going to look really smart or really dumb for this move. I'm not sure there's going to be any middle ground here.I have found that these percentage numbers are often inaccurate, making me wonder if they're actually updated in "real time". Oftentimes I'll see a player who is a hot waiver wire pickup (i.e. Blount) and he'll only be listed as being owned by 5% of leagues. Then two weeks later the same player will be listed at 75%.My league is run on Sportsline and it shows him as being owned in 1% of the leagues there. I'm wondering if I'm the only one who owns him.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Do you think it's pretty fait to estimate 2 TD's from Rivers?And more yards?Even if Sproles gets a bump...Tack on 1 TD to Crayton or A'tutu + give them an extra 20-30 yards and you have a pretty darn good FF day from a WR3 plug-in. get 2 TD's and it's awesome.Roll of the dice it's true but this is not for folks starting a Top-20 WR at WR3 and who just need one decent to good to great week from a single WR.
California
Footballguy
If it matters to anyone, Vegas has this game with the highest total of the week with a O/U of ~50 points.
I think River's throws a minimum of 3 TD's this week, regardless if Gates plays or not. I wouldn't be surprised if he throws 5, but 3 would be my answer in a poll. I'll leave it to others to guess who he throws it to.
Based on the above, I'd be comfortable starting "Say Hey" as a WR3 this week. Unfortunately I only have 2 must start WRs each week. WR3 is where I typically gamble. You lose more often than you win when you gamble, but when you do win it's so nice.
I think River's throws a minimum of 3 TD's this week, regardless if Gates plays or not. I wouldn't be surprised if he throws 5, but 3 would be my answer in a poll. I'll leave it to others to guess who he throws it to.
Based on the above, I'd be comfortable starting "Say Hey" as a WR3 this week. Unfortunately I only have 2 must start WRs each week. WR3 is where I typically gamble. You lose more often than you win when you gamble, but when you do win it's so nice.
packersfan
Footballguy
If he catches one or two passes and Harvin, who I'm likely going to bench for him, goes off or even has a solid game? I'll feel really dumb if that happens.How can you possibly look "really dumb" for this move?You're probably right. I have a feeling, though, that I'm either going to look really smart or really dumb for this move. I'm not sure there's going to be any middle ground here.I have found that these percentage numbers are often inaccurate, making me wonder if they're actually updated in "real time". Oftentimes I'll see a player who is a hot waiver wire pickup (i.e. Blount) and he'll only be listed as being owned by 5% of leagues. Then two weeks later the same player will be listed at 75%.My league is run on Sportsline and it shows him as being owned in 1% of the leagues there. I'm wondering if I'm the only one who owns him.
Sweet Love
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Brady Gaga
Footballguy
I'm rolling the dice on him as my WR3 but I have a little extra incentive b/c I'm going against the Rivers owner.
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mr roboto
Footballguy
OK. Crayton and Seyi both on my roster now. I have Nicks, Roddy, and Garcon. Need a 4th WR.
Are we assuming for PPR that Crayton would be the play and non-ppr it's Seyi?
I'm worried that Rivers is just going to dump off to their RB's a lot and try to be conservative. Maybe even in non-PPR Crayton is the guy.
Either way, Seyi is a stash for my dynasty team. If you listened to the interview he did (see above posts) he is definitely mature and intelligent and seems humble. I like the combo of size/talent and character.
Thanks Shark Pool for turning me onto this guy.
Are we assuming for PPR that Crayton would be the play and non-ppr it's Seyi?
I'm worried that Rivers is just going to dump off to their RB's a lot and try to be conservative. Maybe even in non-PPR Crayton is the guy.
Either way, Seyi is a stash for my dynasty team. If you listened to the interview he did (see above posts) he is definitely mature and intelligent and seems humble. I like the combo of size/talent and character.
Thanks Shark Pool for turning me onto this guy.
gethugefast1
Footballguy
I just used the example given...but appreciate the critisismSweet Love said:
Chris Yandek
Footballguy
Any of you taking a shot at starting him this week? The Chargers WR core seems very banged up.
San Diego Chargers WRs Malcom Floyd (hamstring) and Legedu Naanee (hamstring) did not practice all week and are expected to be inactive again, reports Bill Williamson for ESPN's AFC West blog. Buster Davis is on injured reserve and Vincent Jackson isn't eligible until Week 12.
Analysis: Patrick Crayton and Seyi Ajirotutu will start at Houston, with Gary Banks playing a lot of snaps too. Ajirotutu is a big 6'3" guy from Fresno State (a teammate of Ryan Mathews) who earned All-WAC honors in 2009. Last week he was targeted four times and caught three passes for 48 yards.
San Diego Chargers WRs Malcom Floyd (hamstring) and Legedu Naanee (hamstring) did not practice all week and are expected to be inactive again, reports Bill Williamson for ESPN's AFC West blog. Buster Davis is on injured reserve and Vincent Jackson isn't eligible until Week 12.
Analysis: Patrick Crayton and Seyi Ajirotutu will start at Houston, with Gary Banks playing a lot of snaps too. Ajirotutu is a big 6'3" guy from Fresno State (a teammate of Ryan Mathews) who earned All-WAC honors in 2009. Last week he was targeted four times and caught three passes for 48 yards.
trader jake
Footballguy
It's worth a gamble. The Chargers passing game is always potent and with the wideout core decimated, somebody has to step up. I'm assuming Gates will tough it out and offer the Chargers what he can but he'll still be limited.
I'm playing against the Philip Rivers owner, so maybe I'm putting too much into that. ??
I'm playing against the Philip Rivers owner, so maybe I'm putting too much into that. ??
Chris Yandek
Footballguy
I got him off free agency in my 12 team dynasty league. Worth a bench spot. I'll start him this week and see what happens. I'm facing Rivers too.
I like Patrick Crayton Better this week.
"The Waterboy"
Footballguy
Crayton is obviously the better play but Seyi is definitely worth a look for owner's strapped by injuries or byes...check out the link to the other thread on him above as there's some serious info as to who he is, his measurables , how he got here and any prognostications....
Brady Gaga
Footballguy
I'm playing Tutu b/c I'm going against the Rivers owner. My league's also non-PPR so Crayton vs. Tutu could be close.
Brady Gaga
Footballguy
I know he looked fine in a WALK thru but Norv Turner has NEVER played a guy listed as doubtful.
We'll see...
But I wouldn't put it past Gates and it would/should definitely curb expectations for Crayton & Tutu.
We'll see...
But I wouldn't put it past Gates and it would/should definitely curb expectations for Crayton & Tutu.
ourmanflint
Footballguy
Not trying to be a nay sayer but is the thought that just ANYBODY can "step up" given the lack of receivers?This guy obviously has some talent but...he's a rook right? Wasn't even drafted.Obviously alot of interest in this guy I just wonder where the confidence comes from as opposed to most other rookies.
Brady Gaga
Footballguy
One word: RiversRivers is on pace to shatter Dan Marino's single season yards record and Tutu might be his WR2 with his target1 (Gates) out.Tutu's value (assuming Gates is out week 9) might only be good for the short term since SD is on the bye week 10 and Floyd should be back week 11 but Buster Davis is on IR and Legadu didn't do anything that great to lock down the job so we'll see - maybe some long term potential too...
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gethugefast1
Footballguy
...& VJax back Week 12
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
No one cares. Add something to the discussion, like who you are starting him over, or why you like him to perform.I'm playing him above Ochocinco, who has been dreadful in close games. MNF has the look of a hard-hitting divisional battle. I don't think the Bengals play well. Also don't trust Palmer vs a pissed off Steeler defense after losing to NO last week.Also playing him over Evans. This is the one I am still waffling on. Should Gates play, I may go back to Evans. Bears have been stingy against the pass all year, are coming off a bye, and should put pressure on Fitzpatrick all day. Evans was targeted minimally in regulation last week and I could see a similar result with no time to get deep this week.Ajirotutu is starting against THE worst pass defense in the NFL and the Chargers will test it no matter who is playing WR. He had 4 official targets last week, and another reception negated by penalty. Rivers looked for him short often, and also took a deep shot to him last week. He is the deep threat, and teams have been torching Hou deep all season. I think Rivers will take 2-3 deep shots to him, and will target him probably around 8 times.I figure he will have more meaningful looks and opportunities in this potentially high scoring game, than Evans and Ocho who will be facing fierce pass rushes all night--even though they may accumulate a few more targets...
I think Gates is playing and he might not even be limited much. It is the type of injury that can't be made worse and is a pain tolerance thing and he'll have help with the pain.
So if Gates plays like I think he will and with Crayton there and Sproles being used heavily as a receiver lately that pretty much makes Seyi the 4th option. He may break a big play but I think if Gates plays it will really hurt Seyi's value and makes him a strong candidate to bust.
Don't forget the Texans aren't great vs the run either so it could be a week where SD might actually run a little bit too.
So if Gates plays like I think he will and with Crayton there and Sproles being used heavily as a receiver lately that pretty much makes Seyi the 4th option. He may break a big play but I think if Gates plays it will really hurt Seyi's value and makes him a strong candidate to bust.
Don't forget the Texans aren't great vs the run either so it could be a week where SD might actually run a little bit too.
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by_the_sea_wannabe
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makes sense that a hot ww pickup would be on more teams two weeks later ..unless my tired eyes are reading something wrong hereI have found that these percentage numbers are often inaccurate, making me wonder if they're actually updated in "real time". Oftentimes I'll see a player who is a hot waiver wire pickup (i.e. Blount) and he'll only be listed as being owned by 5% of leagues. Then two weeks later the same player will be listed at 75%.My league is run on Sportsline and it shows him as being owned in 1% of the leagues there. I'm wondering if I'm the only one who owns him.
Man In The Box
Footballguy
Ah, screw it. I'm starting him over Santonio Holmes and Brandon Tate. Why not.
packersfan
Footballguy
I'm starting to feel less comfortable with Seyi with Gates possibly playing but for the sake of argument I'd counter with the following:1. Gates was terrific last week and Sproles had a good game but Seyi still had 3-48-0 which was essentially a wash with Crayton's production (more yards/one less reception). So even if Gates has another stud-like game today and Sproles continues to be active chances are Seyi will get his chances as was the case last week.
2. The Colts threw all over the Texans and both WRs and their TE did well. Wayne and Tamme both scored while Garcon had a very productive game. Point being there is a lot of production to be had throwing against the Texans. They're ranked 30th in pass defense for a reason. They suck at it.
All that being said, I'm not feeling as excited about Seyi as I was before news broke that Gates was moving around better and could play. Maybe it's game day jitters starting a relatively unproven player based primarily on an incredibly great matchup (I'm not sure how often that ever works out). But my choice is between Seyi, Harvin and Burleson (need two) and I have a feeling I'm going to push this one straight up to the deadline today. If I hear reports that Harvin is moving around good in pregame that's really going to make my decision more difficult.
I'll keep everyone posted.
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Dr. Doofenshmirtz
Footballguy
I'm starting to feel less comfortable with Seyi with Gates possibly playing but for the sake of argument I'd counter with the following:1. Gates was terrific last week and Sproles had a good game but Seyi still had 3-48-0 which was essentially a wash with Crayton's production (more yards/one less reception). So even if Gates has another stud-like game today and Sproles continues to be active chances are Seyi will get his chances as was the case last week.
2. The Colts threw all over the Texans and both WRs and their TE did well. Wayne and Tamme both scored while Garcon had a very productive game. Point being there is a lot of production to be had throwing against the Texans. They're ranked 30th in pass defense for a reason. They suck at it.
All that being said, I'm not feeling as excited about Seyi as I was before news broke that Gates was moving around better and could play. Maybe it's game day jitters starting a relatively unproven player based primarily on an incredibly great matchup (I'm not sure how often that ever works out). But my choice is between Seyi, Harvin and Burleson (need two) and I have a feeling I'm going to push this one straight up to the deadline today. If I hear reports that Harvin is moving around good in pregame that's really going to make my decision more difficult.
I'll keep everyone posted.
Bummer for me because I have Gates and seyi. Have to make tough choice
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Four of my teams are wearing the tutu. Unsure yet how many will start, as Harvin and Gates are also on some of these teams and their status will partly determine flex decision.
packersfan
Footballguy
With Gates out I'm rolling with this kid. Let's hope we're sending Evan Silva a huge thank you in a few hours.
you guys think crayton will do better or tutu if you had the choiceMy daughter laughed at me this morning because I told her.....Gates is out, I'm donning "the tutu"!
