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[Loan Sharks]

Detroit deserved the win, Houston did not. I don't care what team won, fairness did not happen today, even if the Texans didn't cheat the outcome here is stupid.

How did the Texans cheat?

He said they didnt? Just like the refs, get your glasses.

Go back to school and figure out how to use a question mark.

His use of a question mark is shaky, but I am assuming he implied " Didn't he say they didn't?". However, it was a nice deflection of addressing the fact that the Lions got hosed by a horrible ruling. His thought apparently didn't translate well to the written word.

You are correct, but his job is to respond in any way to deflect.

You're not really very good with English today.

Man you sure do get angry about grammar. English major who found out that checking grammar is useless and is forced to work in a call center angry.

 

[ang12]

The Lions lost because Schwartz is a moron and decided to settle for a 50 yard FG in OT. Refs had nothing to do with it.

 

[mad sweeney]

Detroit deserved the win, Houston did not. I don't care what team won, fairness did not happen today, even if the Texans didn't cheat the outcome here is stupid.

How did the Texans cheat?

He said they didnt? Just like the refs, get your glasses.

Go back to school and figure out how to use a question mark.

His use of a question mark is shaky, but I am assuming he implied " Didn't he say they didn't?". However, it was a nice deflection of addressing the fact that the Lions got hosed by a horrible ruling. His thought apparently didn't translate well to the written word.

You are correct, but his job is to respond in any way to deflect.

You're not really very good with English today.

Man you sure do get angry about grammar. English major who found out that checking grammar is useless and is forced to work in a call center angry.

Perhaps you missed the part where phenix came in unbidden and threw an insult. I returned the favor and his posts don't really make much sense. Didn't think there was much room on the back of Limpy's high horse but you found a spot rubbing up behind him. Congrats.

 

[Loan Sharks]

Detroit deserved the win, Houston did not. I don't care what team won, fairness did not happen today, even if the Texans didn't cheat the outcome here is stupid.

How did the Texans cheat?

He said they didnt? Just like the refs, get your glasses.

Go back to school and figure out how to use a question mark.

His use of a question mark is shaky, but I am assuming he implied " Didn't he say they didn't?". However, it was a nice deflection of addressing the fact that the Lions got hosed by a horrible ruling. His thought apparently didn't translate well to the written word.

You are correct, but his job is to respond in any way to deflect.

You're not really very good with English today.

Man you sure do get angry about grammar. English major who found out that checking grammar is useless and is forced to work in a call center angry.

Perhaps you missed the part where phenix came in unbidden and threw an insult. I returned the favor and his posts don't really make much sense. Didn't think there was much room on the back of Limpy's high horse but you found a spot rubbing up behind him. Congrats.

I checked this thread looking for a discussion about the messed up NFL rule and found and pretty heated debate about which is worse, poor reading comprehension or poor grammar on a sports message board. I guess you can put me in the camp of derailing the thread is worse than both issues at hand.

 

[mad sweeney]

Detroit deserved the win, Houston did not. I don't care what team won, fairness did not happen today, even if the Texans didn't cheat the outcome here is stupid.

How did the Texans cheat?

He said they didnt? Just like the refs, get your glasses.

Go back to school and figure out how to use a question mark.

His use of a question mark is shaky, but I am assuming he implied " Didn't he say they didn't?". However, it was a nice deflection of addressing the fact that the Lions got hosed by a horrible ruling. His thought apparently didn't translate well to the written word.

You are correct, but his job is to respond in any way to deflect.

You're not really very good with English today.

Man you sure do get angry about grammar. English major who found out that checking grammar is useless and is forced to work in a call center angry.

Perhaps you missed the part where phenix came in unbidden and threw an insult. I returned the favor and his posts don't really make much sense. Didn't think there was much room on the back of Limpy's high horse but you found a spot rubbing up behind him. Congrats.

I checked this thread looking for a discussion about the messed up NFL rule and found and pretty heated debate about which is worse, poor reading comprehension or poor grammar on a sports message board. I guess you can put me in the camp of derailing the thread is worse than both issues at hand.

Then I suggest you address the one who started it.

 

[Tanner9919]

How about if Pettigrew does not drop the ball before OT, which would have placed the Lions in field goal range?How about Pettigrew does not fumble in overtime?How about Hanson does not miss the FG?Sure, the td hurts, but it happened so much earlier that we don't know if the Texans would have scored on that drive anyways.

You have summed it up in such a perfect way that the thread should have ended right there..good job! Not only did Pettigrew drop passes at critical timesBut even Vanden Bosch's would-be Td cost the Lions a win...Schwartz is such a tool, it amazes me that he's been able to hang onto that gig as long as he has ...I As far as heaping it on the refs and rule book, people need to get in line...we're still not over the Immaculate Incompletion 'caught' by Franco Harris, the Tuck Rule fiasco, the Seahawks' loss to Steelers in the SB a few years back, ' making a football move' after a catch before it actually counts as a rec, etc...It also happens in other sports,like flopping in soccer, or the silly 'in the area' rule in baseball..

 

[renesauz]

How about if Pettigrew does not drop the ball before OT, which would have placed the Lions in field goal range?How about Pettigrew does not fumble in overtime?How about Hanson does not miss the FG?Sure, the td hurts, but it happened so much earlier that we don't know if the Texans would have scored on that drive anyways.

You have summed it up in such a perfect way that the thread should have ended right there..good job! Not only did Pettigrew drop passes at critical timesBut even Vanden Bosch's would-be Td cost the Lions a win...Schwartz is such a tool, it amazes me that he's been able to hang onto that gig as long as he has ...I As far as heaping it on the refs and rule book, people need to get in line...we're still not over the Immaculate Incompletion 'caught' by Franco Harris, the Tuck Rule fiasco, the Seahawks' loss to Steelers in the SB a few years back, ' making a football move' after a catch before it actually counts as a rec, etc...It also happens in other sports,like flopping in soccer, or the silly 'in the area' rule in baseball..

All of this is 100% true. I 100% agree that it's dumb to blame the Lions' loss on this one play.However....it's also irrelevant to the discusion. It's a ridiculous rule applied this way. That play should have been reviewed, and it should have come back. The refs should get the call CORRECT, PERIOD. Awarding a 70 yard TD on what should have been a 7 yard catch because of the challenge is absurd.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

There should be an official to over rule the rules to make the right call. Forsett was down by contact, the fact that Schwartz threw the flag and that prevented the replay booth from reviewing the play is just flat out stupid!! Oh, And Godell is an A_HOLE!!!!

Schwartz needs to learn the rules. It was his dumb mistake.

Good luck with that. The NFL rules are always changing, becoming more convoluted and drifting further and further from common sesnse.

Its his job to know the rules. When you don't know something in your professional career it doesn't matter if it changes monthly...its on the individual to be up to date on things. Any failure not to be is on the individual.

What makes you think he didn't know the rule?When a player starts a fight after the play and costs his team 15 yards, it's not because he didn't know the rule. ("You mean fighting between plays is a penalty???") It's because he acted in the heat of the moment without thinking. I got the distinct impression that that's exactly what happened with Schwartz. His reaction afterward strongly suggested to me that he knew the rule, but just messed up.

 

[jon_mx]

How about if Pettigrew does not drop the ball before OT, which would have placed the Lions in field goal range?How about Pettigrew does not fumble in overtime?How about Hanson does not miss the FG?Sure, the td hurts, but it happened so much earlier that we don't know if the Texans would have scored on that drive anyways.

You have summed it up in such a perfect way that the thread should have ended right there..good job! Not only did Pettigrew drop passes at critical timesBut even Vanden Bosch's would-be Td cost the Lions a win...Schwartz is such a tool, it amazes me that he's been able to hang onto that gig as long as he has ...I As far as heaping it on the refs and rule book, people need to get in line...we're still not over the Immaculate Incompletion 'caught' by Franco Harris, the Tuck Rule fiasco, the Seahawks' loss to Steelers in the SB a few years back, ' making a football move' after a catch before it actually counts as a rec, etc...It also happens in other sports,like flopping in soccer, or the silly 'in the area' rule in baseball..

All of this is 100% true. I 100% agree that it's dumb to blame the Lions' loss on this one play.However....it's also irrelevant to the discusion. It's a ridiculous rule applied this way. That play should have been reviewed, and it should have come back. The refs should get the call CORRECT, PERIOD. Awarding a 70 yard TD on what should have been a 7 yard catch because of the challenge is absurd.

And IMHO a misapplication of the rule. The flag and the resulting delay played no role in the review. The rule is written so you can not intentionally delay the game to give the replay booth more time to decide if the play needs reviewed. It was a TD play, it is required to be reviewed. The rule is not that clear, but that is how it reads.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

The refs should get the call CORRECT, PERIOD.

It'd be nice if the refs got everything right, but sometimes they don't, and not every mistake is reviewable. Pass interference, for example, is not reviewable. Maybe it should be. Maybe everything should always be reviewable, but that's not the way things are currently.On the list of things that are not reviewable are mistakes that go against teams that throw challenge flags gratuitously.

I think that's a decent thing to include on the list — at least as good as pass interference is.

The default result is the call on the field. Reviews are exceptional remedies that are provided only in certain situations. When a coach is a tool about requesting such an exceptional remedy, maybe he shouldn't get it.

If one guy is about to give a homeless guy a dollar bill, and right before he hands it over, the homeless guy says something snotty like, "Yeah, you better give me that dollar!" ... I don't think it's wrong to pull the dollar back.

When the refs are about to give a coach a replay review, and right before they grant it to him, the coach does something snotty like throw the challenge flag in a fit of machismo*, I don't think it's wrong to pull the review back.

(*And that's what I think motivated Schwartz to throw the flag. I think it was machismo. I think he was showing up the refs. "Yeah, you better overturn that call!")

 

[ImTheScientist]

There should be an official to over rule the rules to make the right call. Forsett was down by contact, the fact that Schwartz threw the flag and that prevented the replay booth from reviewing the play is just flat out stupid!! Oh, And Godell is an A_HOLE!!!!

Schwartz needs to learn the rules. It was his dumb mistake.

Good luck with that. The NFL rules are always changing, becoming more convoluted and drifting further and further from common sesnse.

Its his job to know the rules. When you don't know something in your professional career it doesn't matter if it changes monthly...its on the individual to be up to date on things. Any failure not to be is on the individual.

What makes you think he didn't know the rule?When a player starts a fight after the play and costs his team 15 yards, it's not because he didn't know the rule. ("You mean fighting between plays is a penalty???") It's because he acted in the heat of the moment without thinking. I got the distinct impression that that's exactly what happened with Schwartz. His reaction afterward strongly suggested to me that he knew the rule, but just messed up.

IF he knows the rules he needs to learn to conrol his emotions.

 

[packseasontix]

How about if Pettigrew does not drop the ball before OT, which would have placed the Lions in field goal range?How about Pettigrew does not fumble in overtime?How about Hanson does not miss the FG?Sure, the td hurts, but it happened so much earlier that we don't know if the Texans would have scored on that drive anyways.

You have summed it up in such a perfect way that the thread should have ended right there..good job! Not only did Pettigrew drop passes at critical timesBut even Vanden Bosch's would-be Td cost the Lions a win...Schwartz is such a tool, it amazes me that he's been able to hang onto that gig as long as he has ...I As far as heaping it on the refs and rule book, people need to get in line...we're still not over the Immaculate Incompletion 'caught' by Franco Harris, the Tuck Rule fiasco, the Seahawks' loss to Steelers in the SB a few years back, ' making a football move' after a catch before it actually counts as a rec, etc...It also happens in other sports,like flopping in soccer, or the silly 'in the area' rule in baseball..

All of this is 100% true. I 100% agree that it's dumb to blame the Lions' loss on this one play.However....it's also irrelevant to the discusion. It's a ridiculous rule applied this way. That play should have been reviewed, and it should have come back. The refs should get the call CORRECT, PERIOD. Awarding a 70 yard TD on what should have been a 7 yard catch because of the challenge is absurd.

And IMHO a misapplication of the rule. The flag and the resulting delay played no role in the review. The rule is written so you can not intentionally delay the game to give the replay booth more time to decide if the play needs reviewed. It was a TD play, it is required to be reviewed. The rule is not that clear, but that is how it reads.

Go back to my post on the first page, also this has already happened MULTIPLE times this year. Schwartz was a moron and cost his team a TD that could have been called back, he also cost his team the game... Who goes for a 47 yard field goal on 3rd down? WTFThe rule is not written that you can not intentionally delay the game (that may be the intent). The rule is pretty simple, any penalty after the last play will result in your team not being able to get a review in their favor. Its not hard to understand.The Challenge Flag was a PenaltyA penalty that CAN DELAY THE SNAP will make your forfeit your right to get a review in your favorNote that even though the booth has to confirm any score that could have happened 1 second later, the whistle would have sounded and the snap could have occurred... The illegal challenge flag caused a potential delay of the snap thus it made them forfeit their right to the challenge.

 

[Team ROFLCOPTERS]

NFL would have got it right. Detroit and his coach made the mistake. Detroit also did everything to lose that game, and they did.

 

[SSOG]

NFL would have got it right. Detroit and his coach made the mistake. Detroit also did everything to lose that game, and they did.

Like they got the fumbled punt call right?

 

[mjr]

Oops. Thought this was a Jets thread.

 

[GregR]

“Yeah, I know that rule,” Schwartz said, via Dave Birkett of the Detroit Free Press. “You can’t challenge a turnover or a scoring play and I overreacted. I was so mad that they didn’t call him down ’cause he was obviously down on the field. I had the flag out of my pocket before he even scored the touchdown. That’s all my fault. I overreacted in that situation and I cost us a touchdown.”

 

[duaneok66]

“Yeah, I know that rule,” Schwartz said, via Dave Birkett of the Detroit Free Press. “You can’t challenge a turnover or a scoring play and I overreacted. I was so mad that they didn’t call him down ’cause he was obviously down on the field. I had the flag out of my pocket before he even scored the touchdown. That’s all my fault. I overreacted in that situation and I cost us a touchdown.”

at least he admitted that he was wrong.

 

[wormburner]

“Yeah, I know that rule,” Schwartz said, via Dave Birkett of the Detroit Free Press. “You can’t challenge a turnover or a scoring play and I overreacted. I was so mad that they didn’t call him down ’cause he was obviously down on the field. I had the flag out of my pocket before he even scored the touchdown. That’s all my fault. I overreacted in that situation and I cost us a touchdown.”

Well, thank god the preciseness of how to use replay now trumps why replay was initiated in the first place.

 

[Donnybrook]

In terms of stupidity, I have to say McCarthy challenge was even greater than Schwartz. The fact that McCarthy challenged after he was told the play would be reviewed actually makes it a worse offense IMO.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

Don't have their divisional/conference records infront of me............Texans/colts would've had same as overall record and colts possibly could've won division and hosted playoff game if not for that ridiculous technicality.

With real reffs packers would already had a bye sewn up with the Seahawks game ending differently.

I am always amazes after 4+months that seasons can hinge on single plays and sometimes those single plays are literally out of coaches and players hands