Shane Vereen (1 Viewer)

[Andrew74]

I really want to start Vereen over Morris, but unsure.

 

[cusefan115]

What pick in the first round would you need to move vereen?

 

[unckeyherb]

This guy is a RB1 the rest of the season. Must start.

I love the optimism, but RB 1?

He said a RB 1, which likely means the 7-12 overall range. Not THE overall RB 1. In a full poor league it's certainly possible, in a .5 you are pushing it, though with the RB situation this year and the potential role for Vereen in an offense that may finally be coming together , who knows.Give an example - I have Leveon Bell and Demarco Murray. Vereen right in that mix and those two could certainly be top 12 players at the position ROS. Maybe not, but maybe... As is true itch Vereen.

I understand what he meant. I still think it's very overly optimistic to think he'll be a top 12 guy ROS. I'd love it, but just don't see it. Hope he's right. As it stands he usurped Antonio browns spot as my flex player this week.

Now that's bold--I can't quite pull that trigger the way Brown is playing.

More about the match ups then the players themselves. Probably a coin toss between those two at the end of the day..

 

[Insein]

That club on his hand is keeping him from making big plays. Gets targeted a ton but nothing major to show for it.

 

[sporthenry]

That club on his hand is keeping him from making big plays. Gets targeted a ton but nothing major to show for it.

The only big play that I thought he should have had was the wheel route he dropped. But I'd hardly call 8 catches on 11 targets, nothing major, at least for a PPR. He was pretty terrible running the ball but if anything, I'm a bit excited by NE sticking with him and I imagine Ridley won't get out of the doghouse so easily this time.

 

[Insein]

That club on his hand is keeping him from making big plays. Gets targeted a ton but nothing major to show for it.

The only big play that I thought he should have had was the wheel route he dropped. But I'd hardly call 8 catches on 11 targets, nothing major, at least for a PPR. He was pretty terrible running the ball but if anything, I'm a bit excited by NE sticking with him and I imagine Ridley won't get out of the doghouse so easily this time.

Yea PPR he gets plenty of value on the volume of catches. In normal leagues though, he's average.

 

[Bayhawks]

That club on his hand is keeping him from making big plays. Gets targeted a ton but nothing major to show for it.

The only big play that I thought he should have had was the wheel route he dropped. But I'd hardly call 8 catches on 11 targets, nothing major, at least for a PPR. He was pretty terrible running the ball but if anything, I'm a bit excited by NE sticking with him and I imagine Ridley won't get out of the doghouse so easily this time.

Yea PPR he gets plenty of value on the volume of catches. In normal leagues though, he's average.

He's a RB2/Flex play in non-PPR.

He's RB27 in my non-PPR league over the last 2 weeks, and that's with outlier weeks like Rainey in week 11, Antone Smith in week 11, & Benny Cunningham in week 12. If he gets that short TD last night, he becomes RB 17.

He's a good guy to have as your RB3 that you can use as the flex in non-PPR. He'll get you 8-10 points, and could go for 15+.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Starting him with confidence the rest of the way.

This.

The changes in FFB are just incredible...who would have thought that going up against Woodhead and Vereen at RB would be hard to beat?

 

[MoveToSkypager]

What pick in the first round would you need to move vereen?

NFS

This guy is a key player for a championship run. Why would anyone deal him?

 

[Ted Mullins]

Having him in non-PPR, I kinda feel like he is basically the equivalent of a WR2/3 that is a little more stable week to week because of the handful of carries and the type of routes he runs. You don't know how many yards he will get, but seems like he is a lock for 10-15 touches every week at least, while a typical receiver might go out and only get a couple targets. It does seem like the cast is affecting him as a pass catcher.

I think he will get some goalline opps based on circumstances like he did last night - when they get big plays that get them down near the goalline, Belicheck will keep the same personnel in and try to hurry up and run a play. He never had much of a chance on that goalline carry though unfortunately.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

10th ranked RB in week 12, and he's just getting started.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Starting him with confidence the rest of the way.

This.

The changes in FFB are just incredible...who would have thought that going up against Woodhead and Vereen at RB would be hard to beat?

He's the poster boy for why PPR is dumb (at least IMO). And I'm an owner in a PPR league. Those 8 catches for 60 yards are CERTAINLY not more valuable to the team than say 130 yards worth of outstanding running.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Starting him with confidence the rest of the way.

This.

The changes in FFB are just incredible...who would have thought that going up against Woodhead and Vereen at RB would be hard to beat?

He's the poster boy for why PPR is dumb (at least IMO). And I'm an owner in a PPR league. Those 8 catches for 60 yards are CERTAINLY not more valuable to the team than say 130 yards worth of outstanding running.

If you think this is why PPR exists, then you don't know anything at all, and you'll never get it.

 

[unckeyherb]

Starting him with confidence the rest of the way.

This.

The changes in FFB are just incredible...who would have thought that going up against Woodhead and Vereen at RB would be hard to beat?

He's the poster boy for why PPR is dumb (at least IMO). And I'm an owner in a PPR league. Those 8 catches for 60 yards are CERTAINLY not more valuable to the team than say 130 yards worth of outstanding running.

so what? What about leagues that award 6 points for rushing TDs but only 4 for passing? Thoughts on that?

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Starting him with confidence the rest of the way.

This.

The changes in FFB are just incredible...who would have thought that going up against Woodhead and Vereen at RB would be hard to beat?

He's the poster boy for why PPR is dumb (at least IMO). And I'm an owner in a PPR league. Those 8 catches for 60 yards are CERTAINLY not more valuable to the team than say 130 yards worth of outstanding running.

If you think this is why PPR exists, then you don't know anything at all, and you'll never get it.

Wow, that was quick.

I'm confused about your statement. If I think WHAT is why PPR exists? I didn't express any thoughts on why I thought it exists???

For the record I think it exists because of a misguided attempt many years ago to even out position value. I think the goal is laudable, but that there are much better ways to go about it.

As for me knowing nothing at all, have you been talking to my wife?

As for me never "getting it", see above.

I play in all kinds of leagues, some PPR, some not, but this scenario has always irked me. I prefer (and it is just that, a preference) to value players in FF ROUGHLY the same as their relative value in the NFL. It's never going to be perfect, but I think there are better ways to reflect value than PPR.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Starting him with confidence the rest of the way.

This.

The changes in FFB are just incredible...who would have thought that going up against Woodhead and Vereen at RB would be hard to beat?

He's the poster boy for why PPR is dumb (at least IMO). And I'm an owner in a PPR league. Those 8 catches for 60 yards are CERTAINLY not more valuable to the team than say 130 yards worth of outstanding running.

You're confusing FFB with real football and you're also not counting on team's schemes as well. In NE he very well may be more valuable than a guy who runs for 130 yards...

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Starting him with confidence the rest of the way.

This.

The changes in FFB are just incredible...who would have thought that going up against Woodhead and Vereen at RB would be hard to beat?

He's the poster boy for why PPR is dumb (at least IMO). And I'm an owner in a PPR league. Those 8 catches for 60 yards are CERTAINLY not more valuable to the team than say 130 yards worth of outstanding running.

If you think this is why PPR exists, then you don't know anything at all, and you'll never get it.

Wow, that was quick.

I was behind you, watching you type

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Starting him with confidence the rest of the way.

This.

The changes in FFB are just incredible...who would have thought that going up against Woodhead and Vereen at RB would be hard to beat?

He's the poster boy for why PPR is dumb (at least IMO). And I'm an owner in a PPR league. Those 8 catches for 60 yards are CERTAINLY not more valuable to the team than say 130 yards worth of outstanding running.

You're confusing FFB with real football and you're also not counting on team's schemes as well. In NE he very well may be more valuable than a guy who runs for 130 yards...

That's exactly what I am attempting to minimize. The value of a 5 yard rush and a 5 yard reception are ROUGHLY the same in the NFL. Sure, there could be scheme-driven value differences to some degree, but give or take, 5 yards to the good is 5 yards to the good. The value could be a little different depending on the situation as well of course. A rush for 0 yards followed by a rush for 5 yards would be a lot more valuable late in the game to a leading team than an incompletion followed by a 5 yard reception for example. For a trailing team, the converse would probably apply.

If I had to guess, I'd say all things equal, most coaches would prefer the successful rush. More TOP, lower risk of turnover.

People might quibble on that, but I can't really get behind that 5 yard catch being THREE TIMES more valuable, on average, than the 5 yard rush.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Starting him with confidence the rest of the way.

This.

The changes in FFB are just incredible...who would have thought that going up against Woodhead and Vereen at RB would be hard to beat?

He's the poster boy for why PPR is dumb (at least IMO). And I'm an owner in a PPR league. Those 8 catches for 60 yards are CERTAINLY not more valuable to the team than say 130 yards worth of outstanding running.

so what? What about leagues that award 6 points for rushing TDs but only 4 for passing? Thoughts on that?

I have some mixed feelings on that as well. But it bothers me less. PPR has a greater intra-positional impact than 6/4 does. There is a more drastic value shift for guys like Vereen in PPR than 6/4 has for "running" QBs. But honestly, I prefer 6/6 for the same reasons. If you get in the end zone, you get in the end zone. They are six points in the NFL, either way. You could say that the threat of rushing QB is good for the team and should be worth more points in FF, but the truth is, whatever impact that has is probably already shown in the guy's enhanced ability to produce TDs in general.

The goal for me is to produce a fun, "balanced" scoring system, while at the same time preserving as much of the NFL relative value of players at their positions as possible. Obviously, if you think about it, you don't want FF scoring to be arbitrary, you want good players to produce good FF scores. Otherwise, FF makes even less sense than it already does.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

Starting him with confidence the rest of the way.

This.

The changes in FFB are just incredible...who would have thought that going up against Woodhead and Vereen at RB would be hard to beat?

He's the poster boy for why PPR is dumb (at least IMO). And I'm an owner in a PPR league. Those 8 catches for 60 yards are CERTAINLY not more valuable to the team than say 130 yards worth of outstanding running.

You're confusing FFB with real football and you're also not counting on team's schemes as well. In NE he very well may be more valuable than a guy who runs for 130 yards...

That's exactly what I am attempting to minimize. The value of a 5 yard rush and a 5 yard reception are ROUGHLY the same in the NFL. Sure, there could be scheme-driven value differences to some degree, but give or take, 5 yards to the good is 5 yards to the good. The value could be a little different depending on the situation as well of course. A rush for 0 yards followed by a rush for 5 yards would be a lot more valuable late in the game to a leading team than an incompletion followed by a 5 yard reception for example. For a trailing team, the converse would probably apply.

If I had to guess, I'd say all things equal, most coaches would prefer the successful rush. More TOP, lower risk of turnover.

People might quibble on that, but I can't really get behind that 5 yard catch being THREE TIMES more valuable, on average, than the 5 yard rush.

I think your missing the point. this isnt REAL football.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Starting him with confidence the rest of the way.

This.

The changes in FFB are just incredible...who would have thought that going up against Woodhead and Vereen at RB would be hard to beat?

He's the poster boy for why PPR is dumb (at least IMO). And I'm an owner in a PPR league. Those 8 catches for 60 yards are CERTAINLY not more valuable to the team than say 130 yards worth of outstanding running.

You're confusing FFB with real football and you're also not counting on team's schemes as well. In NE he very well may be more valuable than a guy who runs for 130 yards...

That's exactly what I am attempting to minimize. The value of a 5 yard rush and a 5 yard reception are ROUGHLY the same in the NFL. Sure, there could be scheme-driven value differences to some degree, but give or take, 5 yards to the good is 5 yards to the good. The value could be a little different depending on the situation as well of course. A rush for 0 yards followed by a rush for 5 yards would be a lot more valuable late in the game to a leading team than an incompletion followed by a 5 yard reception for example. For a trailing team, the converse would probably apply.

If I had to guess, I'd say all things equal, most coaches would prefer the successful rush. More TOP, lower risk of turnover.

People might quibble on that, but I can't really get behind that 5 yard catch being THREE TIMES more valuable, on average, than the 5 yard rush.

I think your missing the point. this isnt REAL football.

It was my first 6 words

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Starting him with confidence the rest of the way.

This.

The changes in FFB are just incredible...who would have thought that going up against Woodhead and Vereen at RB would be hard to beat?

He's the poster boy for why PPR is dumb (at least IMO). And I'm an owner in a PPR league. Those 8 catches for 60 yards are CERTAINLY not more valuable to the team than say 130 yards worth of outstanding running.

You're confusing FFB with real football and you're also not counting on team's schemes as well. In NE he very well may be more valuable than a guy who runs for 130 yards...

That's exactly what I am attempting to minimize. The value of a 5 yard rush and a 5 yard reception are ROUGHLY the same in the NFL. Sure, there could be scheme-driven value differences to some degree, but give or take, 5 yards to the good is 5 yards to the good. The value could be a little different depending on the situation as well of course. A rush for 0 yards followed by a rush for 5 yards would be a lot more valuable late in the game to a leading team than an incompletion followed by a 5 yard reception for example. For a trailing team, the converse would probably apply.

If I had to guess, I'd say all things equal, most coaches would prefer the successful rush. More TOP, lower risk of turnover.

People might quibble on that, but I can't really get behind that 5 yard catch being THREE TIMES more valuable, on average, than the 5 yard rush.

I think your missing the point. this isnt REAL football.

So what is the point? That relative value of NFL players should be completely independent of their FF scoring potential? If you take that to the extreme, I could devise a scoring system that would make Gabbert better than Manning (hint, it would really favor turnovers). But does that make sense? Of course not. IN GENERAL, better players should score more points. That's fairly obvious, and is ONE of the factors that makes a scoring system "good" to me.

You can do the ostrich thing on the fact that PPR doesn't translate well to real world value because folks are comfortable with it now and it's not totally, obviously, awful in most situations (like the Gabbert system would be). But why go that way if you don't have to? And you don't by the way.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Starting him with confidence the rest of the way.

This.

The changes in FFB are just incredible...who would have thought that going up against Woodhead and Vereen at RB would be hard to beat?

He's the poster boy for why PPR is dumb (at least IMO). And I'm an owner in a PPR league. Those 8 catches for 60 yards are CERTAINLY not more valuable to the team than say 130 yards worth of outstanding running.

You're confusing FFB with real football and you're also not counting on team's schemes as well. In NE he very well may be more valuable than a guy who runs for 130 yards...

That's exactly what I am attempting to minimize. The value of a 5 yard rush and a 5 yard reception are ROUGHLY the same in the NFL. Sure, there could be scheme-driven value differences to some degree, but give or take, 5 yards to the good is 5 yards to the good. The value could be a little different depending on the situation as well of course. A rush for 0 yards followed by a rush for 5 yards would be a lot more valuable late in the game to a leading team than an incompletion followed by a 5 yard reception for example. For a trailing team, the converse would probably apply.

If I had to guess, I'd say all things equal, most coaches would prefer the successful rush. More TOP, lower risk of turnover.

People might quibble on that, but I can't really get behind that 5 yard catch being THREE TIMES more valuable, on average, than the 5 yard rush.

I think your missing the point. this isnt REAL football.

So what is the point? That relative value of NFL players should be completely independent of their FF scoring potential? If you take that to the extreme, I could devise a scoring system that would make Gabbert better than Manning (hint, it would really favor turnovers). But does that make sense? Of course not. IN GENERAL, better players should score more points. That's fairly obvious, and is ONE of the factors that makes a scoring system "good" to me.

You can do the ostrich thing on the fact that PPR doesn't translate well to real world value because folks are comfortable with it now and it's not totally, obviously, awful in most situations (like the Gabbert system would be). But why go that way if you don't have to? And you don't by the way.

PPR is like head to head in fantasy football. It doesn't really make any sense and you could easily argue it detracts from the game. But people like it because it's fun.

 

[SCT]

I think if you asked the HC of Cin, NO (two years ago), and NE which rb is most valuable to their team they'd respond Gio over BJGE, Sproles over Thomas, and Vereen over Ridley/Blount/Bolden. So who are you to say that those rbs are less valuable than the traditional non-pass catching rb?

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Starting him with confidence the rest of the way.

This.

The changes in FFB are just incredible...who would have thought that going up against Woodhead and Vereen at RB would be hard to beat?

He's the poster boy for why PPR is dumb (at least IMO). And I'm an owner in a PPR league. Those 8 catches for 60 yards are CERTAINLY not more valuable to the team than say 130 yards worth of outstanding running.

You're confusing FFB with real football and you're also not counting on team's schemes as well. In NE he very well may be more valuable than a guy who runs for 130 yards...

That's exactly what I am attempting to minimize. The value of a 5 yard rush and a 5 yard reception are ROUGHLY the same in the NFL. Sure, there could be scheme-driven value differences to some degree, but give or take, 5 yards to the good is 5 yards to the good. The value could be a little different depending on the situation as well of course. A rush for 0 yards followed by a rush for 5 yards would be a lot more valuable late in the game to a leading team than an incompletion followed by a 5 yard reception for example. For a trailing team, the converse would probably apply.

If I had to guess, I'd say all things equal, most coaches would prefer the successful rush. More TOP, lower risk of turnover.

People might quibble on that, but I can't really get behind that 5 yard catch being THREE TIMES more valuable, on average, than the 5 yard rush.

I think your missing the point. this isnt REAL football.

So what is the point? That relative value of NFL players should be completely independent of their FF scoring potential? If you take that to the extreme, I could devise a scoring system that would make Gabbert better than Manning (hint, it would really favor turnovers). But does that make sense? Of course not. IN GENERAL, better players should score more points. That's fairly obvious, and is ONE of the factors that makes a scoring system "good" to me.

You can do the ostrich thing on the fact that PPR doesn't translate well to real world value because folks are comfortable with it now and it's not totally, obviously, awful in most situations (like the Gabbert system would be). But why go that way if you don't have to? And you don't by the way.

PPR is like head to head in fantasy football. It doesn't really make any sense and you could easily argue it detracts from the game. But people like it because it's fun.

I agree for the most part. But while the fun aspect of head to head would be hard to replace/replicate, it's not that hard to conceive of a different way to value players that would be just as fun as PPR. PPR came about because folks saw RBs dominating FF to a large degree and wanted to mix things up to make WRs comparatively better (i.e "make it more fun").

These days, RBs are on the decline in terms of value relative to other positions, so we don't need as much balancing to make it "fun". But more importantly, if you REALLY still wanted to enhance a receivers (or pass-catching RB's for that matter) scoring potential, it would be better to:

-slightly raise the value of receiving YARDS vs catches

OR

-raise the staring reqs for receivers (as many leagues have already done or are starting to do)

OR...

 

[elbowrm]

I think 0.5 PPR, 1.0, 1.5 for RB, WR, TE makes a ton of sense

 

[Holy Schneikes]

I think if you asked the HC of Cin, NO (two years ago), and NE which rb is most valuable to their team they'd respond Gio over BJGE, Sproles over Thomas, and Vereen over Ridley/Blount/Bolden. So who are you to say that those rbs are less valuable than the traditional non-pass catching rb?

Gio is simply a much better back than BJGE - he's better in ALL facets, not just receiving.

Sproles was let go by NO. New Orleans was been the best offensive team in the league over the past two years. They still throw a lot of outlet/screen/flat passes very effectively.

Vereen was more or less benched for his entire first year in favor of the much lower drafted Ridley. Faulk, Welker, Woodhead have all done pretty well caching underneath passes in NE.

But all that aside, I definitely DID NOT say they were less valuable than their more traditional counterparts who are more productive runners. I said they were not two or three times MORE valuable than those counterparts.

They are all good players, and all provide value to their NFL teams. They should all prove value to FF teams. But not stud value, unless/until they start producing stud results. Gio is on his way, but I think he'll do plenty of damage with yards and TDs, he doesn't need PPR to artificially inflate his value. If Vereen gets there too (and he could), great. If not, I don't need 16 point/week from him, I want 8.

 

[MattFancy]

Double post

 

[MattFancy]

I think if you asked the HC of Cin, NO (two years ago), and NE which rb is most valuable to their team they'd respond Gio over BJGE, Sproles over Thomas, and Vereen over Ridley/Blount/Bolden. So who are you to say that those rbs are less valuable than the traditional non-pass catching rb?

Gio is simply a much better back than BJGE - he's better in ALL facets, not just receiving.

Sproles was let go by NO. New Orleans was been the best offensive team in the league over the past two years. They still throw a lot of outlet/screen/flat passes very effectively.

Vereen was more or less benched for his entire first year in favor of the much lower drafted Ridley. Faulk, Welker, Woodhead have all done pretty well caching underneath passes in NE.

But all that aside, I definitely DID NOT say they were less valuable than their more traditional counterparts who are more productive runners. I said they were not two or three times MORE valuable than those counterparts.

They are all good players, and all provide value to their NFL teams. They should all prove value to FF teams. But not stud value, unless/until they start producing stud results. Gio is on his way, but I think he'll do plenty of damage with yards and TDs, he doesn't need PPR to artificially inflate his value. If Vereen gets there too (and he could), great. If not, I don't need 16 point/week from him, I want 8.

When did NO cut Sproles?

 

[Bobby Guano]

Look out everyone...

Another thread about a perfectly good player hijacked with Anti - PPR propaganda!!!

 

[Buffaloes]

let's talk about Vereen in here and you guys can argue the merits of ppr in a different thread. maybe the Ben Tate thread since I don't really see myself reading that thread.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Yeah. We can talk about Vereen here. Imagine how sweet his fantasy line would be if he caught that wheel. This dude is going to be a key to championships this year.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Look out everyone...

Another thread about a perfectly good player hijacked with Anti - PPR propagana!!!

My bad. I'm done. It's hard for me to separate Vereen's value from the PPR issue, since so much of it comes from that. In PPR he's a starter, in non PPR, he's not - it makes a huge difference to his value.

 

[SCT]

Look out everyone...

Another thread about a perfectly good player hijacked with Anti - PPR propagana!!!

My bad. I'm done. It's hard for me to separate Vereen's value from the PPR issue, since so much of it comes from that. In PPR he's a starter, in non PPR, he's not - it makes a huge difference to his value.

Well of course it does! Duh. You draft, roster, and start guys that will score points for you in your league's chosen format. If you're not in a PPR league you don't give a shi* about Sproles, Vereen, maybe Gio to some extent. If you are in PPR, those same guys are very valuable. The end.

 

[Banger]

Look out everyone...

Another thread about a perfectly good player hijacked with Anti - PPR propagana!!!

My bad. I'm done. It's hard for me to separate Vereen's value from the PPR issue, since so much of it comes from that. In PPR he's a starter, in non PPR, he's not - it makes a huge difference to his value.

he was 18th yesterday in non-ppr (9 points-tied with L. Bell/Reggie Bush)...if you start 2 rb's which nearly all leagues do, that's a starter for you. Especially considering that in those 18 rb's you have Bolden, Cunningham and Reece which likely weren't started in any league....so then you are talking about a top 15 back which is borderline RB1.

On the year, he's averaging 10ppg which is also 18th so essentially he's a mid RB2 in non-ppr (less than 1 ppg from being RB14). That's the sad state of RBs this year.....

 

[Pietaster2]

Look out everyone...

Another thread about a perfectly good player hijacked with Anti - PPR propagana!!!

My bad. I'm done. It's hard for me to separate Vereen's value from the PPR issue, since so much of it comes from that. In PPR he's a starter, in non PPR, he's not - it makes a huge difference to his value.

Well of course it does! Duh. You draft, roster, and start guys that will score points for you in your league's chosen format. If you're not in a PPR league you don't give a shi* about Sproles, Vereen, maybe Gio to some extent. If you are in PPR, those same guys are very valuable. The end.

I'm not in PPR, and you'd better believe I give a @%^# about Vereen. Vereen is a starter for me. That's what'll happen when you have injuries to your drafted players and pass on the Staceys and Andre Browns of the world for Ellingtons and other bad judgement calls.

As a previous poster had mentioned in this thread, Vereen's floor is high enough each week in standard to make him a decent plug in; he's just not going to single handedly win games for you most weeks in standard. If he caught that wheel route and ran in that goal line run, the conversation about him in standard would be very different today. Maybe a week like that can happen in these final weeks of the fantasy season? I'm going to hold onto him and find out.

 

[Insein]

Yeah. We can talk about Vereen here. Imagine how sweet his fantasy line would be if he caught that wheel. This dude is going to be a key to championships this year.

But he didn't catch the wheel cause of his club hand and he didn't get in the end zone from the 2. So yea... championship.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Yeah. We can talk about Vereen here. Imagine how sweet his fantasy line would be if he caught that wheel. This dude is going to be a key to championships this year.

But he didn't catch the wheel cause of his club hand and he didn't get in the end zone from the 2. So yea... championship.

He did score 17 points in a PPR which is 10th best for a RB heading into tonight

 

[Jack White]

Starting him with confidence the rest of the way.

This.

The changes in FFB are just incredible...who would have thought that going up against Woodhead and Vereen at RB would be hard to beat?

He's the poster boy for why PPR is dumb (at least IMO). And I'm an owner in a PPR league. Those 8 catches for 60 yards are CERTAINLY not more valuable to the team than say 130 yards worth of outstanding running.

If you think this is why PPR exists, then you don't know anything at all, and you'll never get it.

Wow, that was quick.

I'm confused about your statement. If I think WHAT is why PPR exists? I didn't express any thoughts on why I thought it exists???

For the record I think it exists because of a misguided attempt many years ago to even out position value. I think the goal is laudable, but that there are much better ways to go about it.

As for me knowing nothing at all, have you been talking to my wife?

As for me never "getting it", see above.

I play in all kinds of leagues, some PPR, some not, but this scenario has always irked me. I prefer (and it is just that, a preference) to value players in FF ROUGHLY the same as their relative value in the NFL. It's never going to be perfect, but I think there are better ways to reflect value than PPR.

A lot of those catches are on third down and move the chains. There is absolutely value in that.

Besides, it's just a game. It's never going to mirror real football. Consider them chess pieces and move them around the board strategically to win.

 

[Jack White]

Yeah. We can talk about Vereen here. Imagine how sweet his fantasy line would be if he caught that wheel. This dude is going to be a key to championships this year.

But he didn't catch the wheel cause of his club hand and he didn't get in the end zone from the 2. So yea... championship.

Every receiver who gets a lot of targets is going to drop one on occasion. And any back can get stuffed at the goal line when the blocking is poor.

So what's you point? That Ben Vereen sucks?

 

[IheartGuinness]

Yeah. We can talk about Vereen here. Imagine how sweet his fantasy line would be if he caught that wheel. This dude is going to be a key to championships this year.

But he didn't catch the wheel cause of his club hand and he didn't get in the end zone from the 2. So yea... championship.

Every receiver who gets a lot of targets is going to drop one on occasion. And any back can get stuffed at the goal line when the blocking is poor.

So what's you point? That Ben Vereen sucks?

The man was nominated for a Tony award. That's hardly sucking. And he was awesome on "Webster." Then again, who wasn't?

 

[Jack White]

Yeah. We can talk about Vereen here. Imagine how sweet his fantasy line would be if he caught that wheel. This dude is going to be a key to championships this year.

But he didn't catch the wheel cause of his club hand and he didn't get in the end zone from the 2. So yea... championship.

Every receiver who gets a lot of targets is going to drop one on occasion. And any back can get stuffed at the goal line when the blocking is poor.

So what's you point? That Ben Vereen sucks?

The man was nominated for a Tony award. That's hardly sucking. And he was awesome on "Webster." Then again, who wasn't?

I would have liked to see some stronger method acting from Alex Karras.

 

[IheartGuinness]

Yeah. We can talk about Vereen here. Imagine how sweet his fantasy line would be if he caught that wheel. This dude is going to be a key to championships this year.

But he didn't catch the wheel cause of his club hand and he didn't get in the end zone from the 2. So yea... championship.

Every receiver who gets a lot of targets is going to drop one on occasion. And any back can get stuffed at the goal line when the blocking is poor.

So what's you point? That Ben Vereen sucks?

The man was nominated for a Tony award. That's hardly sucking. And he was awesome on "Webster." Then again, who wasn't?

I would have liked to see some stronger method acting from Alex Karras.

True. "Mongo no like PPR leagues," just got old after a while.

 

[SCT]

Yeah. We can talk about Vereen here. Imagine how sweet his fantasy line would be if he caught that wheel. This dude is going to be a key to championships this year.

But he didn't catch the wheel cause of his club hand and he didn't get in the end zone from the 2. So yea... championship.

Every receiver who gets a lot of targets is going to drop one on occasion. And any back can get stuffed at the goal line when the blocking is poor.

So what's you point? That Ben Vereen sucks?

The man was nominated for a Tony award. That's hardly sucking. And he was awesome on "Webster." Then again, who wasn't?

I would have liked to see some stronger method acting from Alex Karras.

True. "Mongo no like PPR leagues," just got old after a while.

Oh man that made me lol for real.

 

[Insein]

Yeah. We can talk about Vereen here. Imagine how sweet his fantasy line would be if he caught that wheel. This dude is going to be a key to championships this year.

But he didn't catch the wheel cause of his club hand and he didn't get in the end zone from the 2. So yea... championship.

He did score 17 points in a PPR which is 10th best for a RB heading into tonight

Non PPR he got 9. I'm not saying he's not flex worthy but he isn't exactly lighting the world on fire.

 

[rjv]

Starting him with confidence the rest of the way.

This.

The changes in FFB are just incredible...who would have thought that going up against Woodhead and Vereen at RB would be hard to beat?

He's the poster boy for why PPR is dumb (at least IMO). And I'm an owner in a PPR league. Those 8 catches for 60 yards are CERTAINLY not more valuable to the team than say 130 yards worth of outstanding running.

If you think this is why PPR exists, then you don't know anything at all, and you'll never get it.

Bingo!!

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Yeah. We can talk about Vereen here. Imagine how sweet his fantasy line would be if he caught that wheel. This dude is going to be a key to championships this year.

But he didn't catch the wheel cause of his club hand and he didn't get in the end zone from the 2. So yea... championship.

The soft cast is coming off soon, so that problem will be removed. Damn right championship!

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

NE at Houston seems like it will be an early runaway to me, expecting a great game from Brady and all his weapons, Gronk and Vereen especially.

 

[BlueDredSo]

Why does everyone have to copy everyone else's posts when they reply? It's almost like Twitter if people kept responding to each other and there wasn't 140 character limit or whatever it is. Very annoying to read these threads with this crap going on.

I'm not benching Vereen until he gives me a reason to, and even then I'd probably give him another shot just because...He's the #2 weapon in this offense behind Gronk. It's anyone's guess which WR will show up from week to week.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Why does everyone have to copy everyone else's posts when they reply? It's almost like Twitter if people kept responding to each other and there wasn't 140 character limit or whatever it is. Very annoying to read these threads with this crap going on.

I couldn't agree more.