Shane Vereen (1 Viewer)

[Sabertooth]

I'll take a poor man's Sproles.

 

[Phenix]

I'll take a poor man's Sproles.

I'm obsessed with this guy in all PPR formats, the writing is on the wall for his upside. Could he bust, could he get hurt... yeah.

But the upside and the potential for a guy who will fill in for Woodheads roll, and is lining up in Welkers and AHerns old roll has so much potential its sickening.

As a RB2 for a team, absolutely, especially if Woodhead finished at RB25 last year and his upside is higher.

 

[Sabertooth]

I sure hope so.

 

[FF Ninja]

I'm really coming around on Vereen although I still have some concerns from a fantasy perspective. I'm expecting mid-high RB2 numbers in PPR but I'm not sure I would trust him as my RB2. I have a feeling he's going to have some huge games but knowing BB he could be heavily involved one week and not the next (i.e. last year's playoffs). IMO he's a guy you have to start every week otherwise you risk missing out on his big games.

It is possible but there's no way I expect that. Is he going to be the next Sproles? This is a crowded backfield. He'll have to make a living off of receptions. I think he needs at least 60 receptions to crack mid-RB2 territory considering he won't be getting goal line carries. Blount and Bolden will get some carries, too.

I don't expect him to get used as much as Sproles but they should try to get the ball to him a lot considering the inexperience of their receivers. What I'm picturing is a better Joique Bell, who had 900 total yards, 52 catches and 3 TD's last year.

While I agree that Vereen is better than Bell, it'll be hard to match Bell's stats last year. Bell had 82 rushes and 52 receptions at a rate of 5.0 ypc and 9.3 ypr. I can definitely see a scenario where Vereen helps with the void left by Welker and Hernandez, but I don't know that he'll get 400 yards rushing. He would need 8.1 ypr on 60 receptions to equal Bell's 485 receiving yards. I don't know what kind of mad scientist stuff BB is going to pull this year to keep this offense rolling, but in order for Vereen to be equal to Bell last year (RB29 non-ppr) then he'd probably need around 100 carries and 60 receptions. I don't think both of those things will happen, making Vereen just a poor man's 2012 Bell.

But maybe BB does some interesting things with Vereen and he ends up with 90 receptions. That would be cool, but I'm not going to bank on it. Right now I think Vereen is too expensive considering how crowded this backfield is.

 

[TheJewru]

Huge on Vereen before the Ahern development. Banking on Bill Belichick on keeping the Pats offense productive is typically a safe bet. Vereen always had talent and it would really surprise me if he isn't a top 15 back in PPR this year.

In any case his range in my guesstimation would be anywhere from low end RB1 to low end RB2 which screams value despite his ADP creeping up.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

SI's Peter King calls Shane Vereen a "multi-threat weapon" who will likely take on some of Aaron Hernandez's old role.
The Boston Herald made a similar observation earlier in camp. With the talent to line up all over the field, including in the slot and even outside receiver, Vereen is going to sponge up touches after totaling just 85 through his first two NFL seasons. He's a high-end flex option with some RB2 appeal.


Source: Sports Illustrated

 

[Tau837]

I'm really coming around on Vereen although I still have some concerns from a fantasy perspective. I'm expecting mid-high RB2 numbers in PPR but I'm not sure I would trust him as my RB2. I have a feeling he's going to have some huge games but knowing BB he could be heavily involved one week and not the next (i.e. last year's playoffs). IMO he's a guy you have to start every week otherwise you risk missing out on his big games.

It is possible but there's no way I expect that. Is he going to be the next Sproles? This is a crowded backfield. He'll have to make a living off of receptions. I think he needs at least 60 receptions to crack mid-RB2 territory considering he won't be getting goal line carries. Blount and Bolden will get some carries, too.

I don't expect him to get used as much as Sproles but they should try to get the ball to him a lot considering the inexperience of their receivers. What I'm picturing is a better Joique Bell, who had 900 total yards, 52 catches and 3 TD's last year.

While I agree that Vereen is better than Bell, it'll be hard to match Bell's stats last year. Bell had 82 rushes and 52 receptions at a rate of 5.0 ypc and 9.3 ypr. I can definitely see a scenario where Vereen helps with the void left by Welker and Hernandez, but I don't know that he'll get 400 yards rushing. He would need 8.1 ypr on 60 receptions to equal Bell's 485 receiving yards. I don't know what kind of mad scientist stuff BB is going to pull this year to keep this offense rolling, but in order for Vereen to be equal to Bell last year (RB29 non-ppr) then he'd probably need around 100 carries and 60 receptions. I don't think both of those things will happen, making Vereen just a poor man's 2012 Bell.

But maybe BB does some interesting things with Vereen and he ends up with 90 receptions. That would be cool, but I'm not going to bank on it. Right now I think Vereen is too expensive considering how crowded this backfield is.

Why did you ignore TDs in this comparison? I expect Vereen to have more than 3 TDs, so he should make up ground on Bell there. Vereen had 4 TDs on 70 touches last season, with Hernandez and Woodhead still on the roster.

 

[DexterDew]

I think his rushes will come when he is the only RB in the no huddle (like Woodhead), and to spell Ridley.

>400 yards rushing is easy to project as it is simple 6 carries a game at 4 yards.

I think the FBG's projections are a touch on the conservative side (aren't all projections?) for about 900 yards, with 51 catches and 5 TDs, which gets him in the 14/game territory for PPR. Solid RB2 territory.

 

[Eviloutsider]

Is there anyway that Vereen becomes TE eligible? That would change around his ADP a bunch I think.

 

[spider321]

Is there anyway that Vereen becomes TE eligible? That would change around his ADP a bunch I think.

Yes, as long as the Patriots line him up on the line of scrimmage across from Cameron Wake.

Consequently, Tom Brady will become long-term disability eligible, too!

 

[KCitons]

Vereen ended up in BB's doghouse last night after a fumble inside the Pats 5 yard line. Didn't get to see much of him the rest of the game.

As a fantasy owner, this is really frustrating. Does BB think benching Vereen is going to make him better for week 1? I would think he needs as many reps as possible with all the new things they are planning to do with Vereen.

This may now mean that Vereen will play a significant amount in the final preseason game. This is a risk, because you have a bunch of guys who are probably never going play another game in the NFL doing everything they can to make a play. Possibility for injury could increase.

I'm also concerned that the doghouse may become an issue during the regular season. The last thing you need is Vereen getting benched in the 1st quarter of a game after 1 or 2 touches. BB has to realize, that fumbles are going to happen, very few football players that touch the ball more than 100 times a year are not going to fumble.

If Vereen is such a key part of this offense now, will BB still bench him after a fumble, regardless of game or score? I tend to think he will. If you look at the 49ers game last year. Both Vereen and Ridley had their only fumble of the season in this game. It was week 15 (a key week in most fantasy football playoffs) Vereen's fumble came late in the 1st quarter, he never touched the ball again. Ridley's fumble was half way through the 3rd quarter and he only touched the ball one more time later that quarter. The Pats did get behind in that game, but not until after halftime. If you look at the box score, Woodhead took nearly all the snaps after the fumbles. Including a few run plays that were between the tackles (not exaclty Woodhead's thing)

Scary to think that BB will bench a starting RB for his only fumble in 15 weeks of NFL play.

 

[Hedgehog]

BB is always unpredictable but without Gronk, Hernandez, Welker the Pats are lacking playmakers....can't imagine they bench one of the few they have when it counts....think he was sending a message to Vereen when he didn't really need him. Still high on the kid....hope this pushes his ADP down a bit.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Rotoworld:

SI's Peter King calls Shane Vereen a "multi-threat weapon" who will likely take on some of Aaron Hernandez's old role.
The Boston Herald made a similar observation earlier in camp. With the talent to line up all over the field, including in the slot and even outside receiver, Vereen is going to sponge up touches after totaling just 85 through his first two NFL seasons. He's a high-end flex option with some RB2 appeal.


Source: Sports Illustrated

Ended up drafting Vereen last night based on this, and the post above about his becoming a Sprolesish type with good value in PPR.

 

[ponchsox]

Vereen's name has cooled off since the last name and he's been slipping in drafts. I think he will be an excellent value 5th on.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Rotoworld:

SI's Peter King calls Shane Vereen a "multi-threat weapon" who will likely take on some of Aaron Hernandez's old role.
The Boston Herald made a similar observation earlier in camp. With the talent to line up all over the field, including in the slot and even outside receiver, Vereen is going to sponge up touches after totaling just 85 through his first two NFL seasons. He's a high-end flex option with some RB2 appeal.


Source: Sports Illustrated

Ended up drafting Vereen last night based on this, and the post above about his becoming a Sprolesish type with good value in PPR.

You made a fantasy football decision based on what Peter King writes?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Rotoworld:

SI's Peter King calls Shane Vereen a "multi-threat weapon" who will likely take on some of Aaron Hernandez's old role.
The Boston Herald made a similar observation earlier in camp. With the talent to line up all over the field, including in the slot and even outside receiver, Vereen is going to sponge up touches after totaling just 85 through his first two NFL seasons. He's a high-end flex option with some RB2 appeal.


Source: Sports Illustrated

Ended up drafting Vereen last night based on this, and the post above about his becoming a Sprolesish type with good value in PPR.

You made a fantasy football decision based on what Peter King writes?

Ha, no, I did not remember the article or the post; I did make the decision on the idea that he's going to do at least what Woodhead did in PPR, that Ridley might get hurt, and maybe that he will be moved around a lot and get some of Hernandez's targets. Was juggling all this while considering whether to trade him off the bat, but holding.

I just haven't seen much of the Pats this preseason so wondering if this is coming to fruition. This feels like one of those picks that either takes off right away week 1 or it never materializes.

 

[Chaka]

Rotoworld:

SI's Peter King calls Shane Vereen a "multi-threat weapon" who will likely take on some of Aaron Hernandez's old role.
The Boston Herald made a similar observation earlier in camp. With the talent to line up all over the field, including in the slot and even outside receiver, Vereen is going to sponge up touches after totaling just 85 through his first two NFL seasons. He's a high-end flex option with some RB2 appeal.


Source: Sports Illustrated

Ended up drafting Vereen last night based on this, and the post above about his becoming a Sprolesish type with good value in PPR.

You made a fantasy football decision based on what Peter King writes?

I am not sure what point you are trying to make. He may not be a fantasy football guy but for a very long time Peter King has been watching more football from a much better vantage point than any of us could ever hope for. He is well respected throughout the NFL and his reputation has granted him inside access to players and coaches who tell him things even the most entrenched beat writers don't get to hear first hand. If Peter King says Vereen will likely pick up some of Hernandez's touches at the very least it should be viewed as solid confirmation of something that many of us suspected.

 

[bumpman]

It would be nice to see some evidence of this in preseason. I haven't seen any yet.

 

[SayWhat?]

It would be nice to see some evidence of this in preseason. I haven't seen any yet.

I don't know how much Vereen played in the first two preseason games, but in ppr scoring he was at 10+ points scored in each. Obviously he got benched after fumbling in game 3, but to say that you haven't seen any evidence of usage I suppose suggests that you haven't watched or looked? There's certainly evidence there. Now what the Patriots utilization of all their players during the regular season looks like is anyone's guess.

 

[KCitons]

Anyone else a little concerned with the amount of work Vereen got in the preseason. I am going to have to go back and watch the first two games. If I remember correctly, Vereen only played the first quarter of game one, the beginning of the second half in game two and was benched for most of game 3.

He didn't play tonight or at least he didn't touch the ball. So over 4 preseason games he has 11 carries and 7 catches. If he is going to be a key part of this offense, BB is playing it close to the vest.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Not playing much in the 4th preseason game means you are usually a starter or a player that will get plenty of playing time. Don't overthink it.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Rotoworld:

SI's Peter King calls Shane Vereen a "multi-threat weapon" who will likely take on some of Aaron Hernandez's old role.
The Boston Herald made a similar observation earlier in camp. With the talent to line up all over the field, including in the slot and even outside receiver, Vereen is going to sponge up touches after totaling just 85 through his first two NFL seasons. He's a high-end flex option with some RB2 appeal.


Source: Sports Illustrated

Ended up drafting Vereen last night based on this, and the post above about his becoming a Sprolesish type with good value in PPR.

You made a fantasy football decision based on what Peter King writes?

I am not sure what point you are trying to make. He may not be a fantasy football guy but for a very long time Peter King has been watching more football from a much better vantage point than any of us could ever hope for. He is well respected throughout the NFL and his reputation has granted him inside access to players and coaches who tell him things even the most entrenched beat writers don't get to hear first hand. If Peter King says Vereen will likely pick up some of Hernandez's touches at the very least it should be viewed as solid confirmation of something that many of us suspected.

No it shouldn't

 

[KCitons]

Not playing much in the 4th preseason game means you are usually a starter or a player that will get plenty of playing time. Don't overthink it.

Agreed. But he may get off to a slow start. Reps would certainly help, not just with Vereens roll in the offense, but also his ball security. Can't duplicate that in practice.

 

[FatmanLittleboy]

Drafting Vereen with confidence. I agree wtih King. Vereen will achieve RB2 numbers in PPR. Buying all day.

 

[sporthenry]

Anyone else a little concerned with the amount of work Vereen got in the preseason. I am going to have to go back and watch the first two games. If I remember correctly, Vereen only played the first quarter of game one, the beginning of the second half in game two and was benched for most of game 3.

He didn't play tonight or at least he didn't touch the ball. So over 4 preseason games he has 11 carries and 7 catches. If he is going to be a key part of this offense, BB is playing it close to the vest.

I'm a bit concerned, sure. But the Pats are fairly notorious for not showing much in preseason. Add in the fact that Vereen is a known commodity to them and most of his work will be in check downs and I think it is fairly understandable that he wasn't used a ton in the preseason.

Just too much to like. He can step into the Woodhead role without much competition. Team lost a ton of targets and they are expected to run the ball more (granted Ridley will reap most of that). Obviously I'm higher on him in a PPR format but in terms of ADP, I like him over the guys around him not just for his elevated floor but his upside could be as high as guys like Mendenhall or Ingram.

 

[KCitons]

I'm going to roll with him as my Flex/RB3 at this point. I was prepared to trade him last week and actually included him in an offer. But, the negotiations went in a different direction and I still had Vereen when the dust settled.

 

[HurryUpSundays]

I bit the somewhat underground hype and am questioning the move. I tried to include him on a couple of deals but other owners were not so interested and I refuse to sell low at this point. Yes, I know its early.

I believe he could be a solid fantasy contributor (ppr), but do worry about any week to week consistency.

 

[FatmanLittleboy]

I bit the somewhat underground hype and am questioning the move. I tried to include him on a couple of deals but other owners were not so interested and I refuse to sell low at this point. Yes, I know its early.

I believe he could be a solid fantasy contributor (ppr), but do worry about any week to week consistency.

I feel you on that one but I've had Julio Jones and countless other "starters" post some stinkers. I think you draft expecting at least WR2 numbers because that's what he is- a WR who occasionally runs the ball.

 

[Insein]

Was able to get Ridley in the 3rd and Vereen in the 13th. I feel like I can start Shane in the flex some weeks.

 

[Sabertooth]

I think the problem with Vereen is going to be consistency. I think there will be weeks where he approaches 20 ppr points. I think there will be weeks where he is under 8. And I think those will be hard to predict. So you just stick him in there when you don't have a better option and hope for the best.

 

[unckeyherb]

I think the problem with Vereen is going to be consistency. I think there will be weeks where he approaches 20 ppr points. I think there will be weeks where he is under 8. And I think those will be hard to predict. So you just stick him in there when you don't have a better option and hope for the best.

that's kinda my feeling as well. I think he will a decent flex option most weeks due to the receptions and some weeks he may win games for you with the potential of breaking off a 60 yard TD catch.

 

[Chaka]

Rotoworld:

SI's Peter King calls Shane Vereen a "multi-threat weapon" who will likely take on some of Aaron Hernandez's old role.
The Boston Herald made a similar observation earlier in camp. With the talent to line up all over the field, including in the slot and even outside receiver, Vereen is going to sponge up touches after totaling just 85 through his first two NFL seasons. He's a high-end flex option with some RB2 appeal.


Source: Sports Illustrated

Ended up drafting Vereen last night based on this, and the post above about his becoming a Sprolesish type with good value in PPR.

You made a fantasy football decision based on what Peter King writes?

I am not sure what point you are trying to make. He may not be a fantasy football guy but for a very long time Peter King has been watching more football from a much better vantage point than any of us could ever hope for. He is well respected throughout the NFL and his reputation has granted him inside access to players and coaches who tell him things even the most entrenched beat writers don't get to hear first hand. If Peter King says Vereen will likely pick up some of Hernandez's touches at the very least it should be viewed as solid confirmation of something that many of us suspected.

No it shouldn't

Yes it absolutely should. I never understand the mentality of armchair general managers who, aside from never so much as seeing an NFL player, coach or GM at a shopping mall let alone have regular conversations with them, honestly think they know more than people who live and breath the NFL from the ground floor. It reeks of hubris.

 

[ponchsox]

I think the problem with Vereen is going to be consistency. I think there will be weeks where he approaches 20 ppr points. I think there will be weeks where he is under 8. And I think those will be hard to predict. So you just stick him in there when you don't have a better option and hope for the best.

I agree and you said it best when you called him a poor man's Sproles. He will blow up certain weeks when the Patriots use him to exploit a certain defense and there will be weeks were he gets 20 yards total. Decent flex play.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Rotoworld:

SI's Peter King calls Shane Vereen a "multi-threat weapon" who will likely take on some of Aaron Hernandez's old role.
The Boston Herald made a similar observation earlier in camp. With the talent to line up all over the field, including in the slot and even outside receiver, Vereen is going to sponge up touches after totaling just 85 through his first two NFL seasons. He's a high-end flex option with some RB2 appeal.


Source: Sports Illustrated

Ended up drafting Vereen last night based on this, and the post above about his becoming a Sprolesish type with good value in PPR.

You made a fantasy football decision based on what Peter King writes?

I am not sure what point you are trying to make. He may not be a fantasy football guy but for a very long time Peter King has been watching more football from a much better vantage point than any of us could ever hope for. He is well respected throughout the NFL and his reputation has granted him inside access to players and coaches who tell him things even the most entrenched beat writers don't get to hear first hand. If Peter King says Vereen will likely pick up some of Hernandez's touches at the very least it should be viewed as solid confirmation of something that many of us suspected.

No it shouldn't

Yes it absolutely should. I never understand the mentality of armchair general managers who, aside from never so much as seeing an NFL player, coach or GM at a shopping mall let alone have regular conversations with them, honestly think they know more than people who live and breath the NFL from the ground floor. It reeks of hubris.

Nah man. Peter King might be right, but it won't because he knows what he's talking about. You want to pretend that? Fine. Don't push your insanity on other people.

 

[Chaka]

Rotoworld:

SI's Peter King calls Shane Vereen a "multi-threat weapon" who will likely take on some of Aaron Hernandez's old role.
The Boston Herald made a similar observation earlier in camp. With the talent to line up all over the field, including in the slot and even outside receiver, Vereen is going to sponge up touches after totaling just 85 through his first two NFL seasons. He's a high-end flex option with some RB2 appeal.


Source: Sports Illustrated

Ended up drafting Vereen last night based on this, and the post above about his becoming a Sprolesish type with good value in PPR.

You made a fantasy football decision based on what Peter King writes?

I am not sure what point you are trying to make. He may not be a fantasy football guy but for a very long time Peter King has been watching more football from a much better vantage point than any of us could ever hope for. He is well respected throughout the NFL and his reputation has granted him inside access to players and coaches who tell him things even the most entrenched beat writers don't get to hear first hand. If Peter King says Vereen will likely pick up some of Hernandez's touches at the very least it should be viewed as solid confirmation of something that many of us suspected.

No it shouldn't

Yes it absolutely should. I never understand the mentality of armchair general managers who, aside from never so much as seeing an NFL player, coach or GM at a shopping mall let alone have regular conversations with them, honestly think they know more than people who live and breath the NFL from the ground floor. It reeks of hubris.

Nah man. Peter King might be right, but it won't because he knows what he's talking about. You want to pretend that? Fine. Don't push your insanity on other people.

So you think you have a better feel about how Shane Vereen is going to be deployed than Peter King? M'kay.

What about his comment do you disagree with?

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Rotoworld:

SI's Peter King calls Shane Vereen a "multi-threat weapon" who will likely take on some of Aaron Hernandez's old role.
The Boston Herald made a similar observation earlier in camp. With the talent to line up all over the field, including in the slot and even outside receiver, Vereen is going to sponge up touches after totaling just 85 through his first two NFL seasons. He's a high-end flex option with some RB2 appeal.


Source: Sports Illustrated

Ended up drafting Vereen last night based on this, and the post above about his becoming a Sprolesish type with good value in PPR.

You made a fantasy football decision based on what Peter King writes?

I am not sure what point you are trying to make. He may not be a fantasy football guy but for a very long time Peter King has been watching more football from a much better vantage point than any of us could ever hope for. He is well respected throughout the NFL and his reputation has granted him inside access to players and coaches who tell him things even the most entrenched beat writers don't get to hear first hand. If Peter King says Vereen will likely pick up some of Hernandez's touches at the very least it should be viewed as solid confirmation of something that many of us suspected.

No it shouldn't

Yes it absolutely should. I never understand the mentality of armchair general managers who, aside from never so much as seeing an NFL player, coach or GM at a shopping mall let alone have regular conversations with them, honestly think they know more than people who live and breath the NFL from the ground floor. It reeks of hubris.

Nah man. Peter King might be right, but it won't because he knows what he's talking about. You want to pretend that? Fine. Don't push your insanity on other people.

So you think you have a better feel about how Shane Vereen is going to be deployed than Peter King? M'kay.

What about his comment do you disagree with?

Pay attention. I never said he was wrong about this.

Peter King is a #######. Sometimes ######s are right.

If you take the advice of a #######, then it's YOUR fault.

MKAY

 

[Chaka]

Rotoworld:

SI's Peter King calls Shane Vereen a "multi-threat weapon" who will likely take on some of Aaron Hernandez's old role.
The Boston Herald made a similar observation earlier in camp. With the talent to line up all over the field, including in the slot and even outside receiver, Vereen is going to sponge up touches after totaling just 85 through his first two NFL seasons. He's a high-end flex option with some RB2 appeal.


Source: Sports Illustrated

Ended up drafting Vereen last night based on this, and the post above about his becoming a Sprolesish type with good value in PPR.

You made a fantasy football decision based on what Peter King writes?

I am not sure what point you are trying to make. He may not be a fantasy football guy but for a very long time Peter King has been watching more football from a much better vantage point than any of us could ever hope for. He is well respected throughout the NFL and his reputation has granted him inside access to players and coaches who tell him things even the most entrenched beat writers don't get to hear first hand. If Peter King says Vereen will likely pick up some of Hernandez's touches at the very least it should be viewed as solid confirmation of something that many of us suspected.

No it shouldn't

Yes it absolutely should. I never understand the mentality of armchair general managers who, aside from never so much as seeing an NFL player, coach or GM at a shopping mall let alone have regular conversations with them, honestly think they know more than people who live and breath the NFL from the ground floor. It reeks of hubris.

Nah man. Peter King might be right, but it won't because he knows what he's talking about. You want to pretend that? Fine. Don't push your insanity on other people.

So you think you have a better feel about how Shane Vereen is going to be deployed than Peter King? M'kay.

What about his comment do you disagree with?

Pay attention. I never said he was wrong about this.

Peter King is a #######. Sometimes ####### are right.

If you take the advice of a #######, then it's YOUR fault.

MKAY

Well I am glad that you agree that Peter King knows more about what is happening in the NFL than you ever could hope to.

So why do you think he is a #######?

 

[MoveToSkypager]

What did I agree to? No. Two straight #### ups by you, so if you want to play those games go find someone else. If you want to do what Peter King says, then maybe you should go see colbalt about brain injuries.

 

[stbugs]

I think he is going a little higher than I would take him. There is a lot of hype on Thompkins, some hype on Sudfeld, Dobson and Boyce look a lot better and Gronk looks like he won't be on the PUP list to start the season. It is looking like there are a lot more mouths to feed. I remember using Faulk as a PPR bye week replacement and Woodhead was a borderline RB2 last year. Woodhead though had 8 games of less than 6 points even in PPR last year and his two big games were just less than 1/3 of his total points. In both leagues where I have drafted, Vereen is slotted as a RB2/3 for a team. He was kept in one league and drafted late 4th in another. If he is a bye week filler, he seems OK, but I would be worried about missing his good games and getting a RB3/4 when you play him.

He should be a low end RB2/high end RB3, but there is something I don't like about him. I just don't think his upside is high enough now that Thompkins, Sudfeld, Dobson and Boyce have shown life. They have all gotten better and Vereen's projections seem to be around the same as the beginning of the pre-season games.

 

[Detroit Revival]

To kind of bring this back on the rails, the emergence of Sudfeld is the biggest concern to me as a Vereen owner. I bought into him as the "movable chess piece" Hernandez type mismatch back that could be a solid rb2 or flex. Having a player fit in that role is a bit concerning. I still think there is a good role for Vereen to play but it's getting smaller by the day. I'm still hoping to for him to be a Woodhead+Hernandez type role where he sees all of Woodhead's action last year but also fulfills a bit of the role that Hernandez did as well. If that's a bit above a easy start flex play I'll be happy and just hope that it turns into more.

 

[CentralPA]

I over drafted Vereen. Probably one of the few bone headed moves I made in my PPR draft last week. Still think he's a great RB3 to spell my usualy starters on bye.

 

[meyerj31]

To kind of bring this back on the rails, the emergence of Sudfeld is the biggest concern to me as a Vereen owner. I bought into him as the "movable chess piece" Hernandez type mismatch back that could be a solid rb2 or flex. Having a player fit in that role is a bit concerning. I still think there is a good role for Vereen to play but it's getting smaller by the day. I'm still hoping to for him to be a Woodhead+Hernandez type role where he sees all of Woodhead's action last year but also fulfills a bit of the role that Hernandez did as well. If that's a bit above a easy start flex play I'll be happy and just hope that it turns into more.

Don't you worry your pretty little head. Vereen is going to get his touches. He doesn't have a ton of upside unless Ridley gets injured, but I think he's a safe bet to finish ~RB23 in PPR.

 

[KCitons]

The Vereen situation this year is another lesson in timing. Much like the stock market, timing is everything.

The mentioned earlier in this thread about selling high. That was before the 1st preseason game. I should have taken my own advice.

Probably could have made a pretty good haul back then.

 

[Chaka]

What did I agree to? No. Two straight #### ups by you, so if you want to play those games go find someone else. If you want to do what Peter King says, then maybe you should go see colbalt about brain injuries.

So you do know more about what is happening inside NFL locker rooms than Peter King. Got it.

So how is Shane Vereen going to be deployed this season?

 

[CentralPA]

Even with the Sudfield emergence and Gronk getting back earlier then expected, Aaron Hernandez won't be walking back through the door. He is going to be utilized in the passing game much more even after these ominous signs from PS games (which I put very little weight on). Don't draft him before Ridley in PPR but he and Ridley were still fairly close ranking wise not that long ago and I think that will still hold true during the season.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

The Vereen situation this year is another lesson in timing. Much like the stock market, timing is everything.

The mentioned earlier in this thread about selling high. That was before the 1st preseason game. I should have taken my own advice.

Probably could have made a pretty good haul back then.

As a Sproles owner for many years, I've learned you have to expect to keep guys like this on your roster when you draft 'em. Even in his prime, I never once got a trade offer for Sproles that came close to fair value based on his actual numerical production in PPR leagues. People just can't wrap their heads around an all-purpose back outscoring workhorse guys like CJ2K or S-Jax, but the numbers don't lie.

I grabbed Vereen (and Sproles, natch) in my PPR auction league last night. Even if he "only" gets used as much as Woodhead did last year, guess what? Woodhead finished RB24 in MFL scoring last year. I'll take that out of my flex spot all season long for $7.

 

[KCitons]

here's a list from MFL with ADP for all leagues. It's not the perfect rank, but it gives large sample size for all PPR leagues (5638 leagues since July 1st) Went with 10 guys ahead and 10 guys behind Vereen.

19 Gore, Frank SFO RB

20 Wilson, David NYG RB

21 McFadden, Darren OAK RB

22 Miller, Lamar MIA RB

23 Lacy, Eddie GBP RB

24 Ball, Montee DEN RB

25 Bernard, Giovani CIN RB

26 Mathews, Ryan SDC RB

27 Bell, Le'Veon PIT RB

28 Ivory, Chris NYJ RB

29 Vereen, Shane NEP RB

30 Bradshaw, Ahmad IND RB

31 Richardson, Daryl STL RB

32 Mendenhall, Rashard ARI RB

33 Green-Ellis, BenJarvus CIN RB

34 Ingram, Mark NOS RB

35 Williams, DeAngelo CAR RB

36 Brown, Andre NYG RB

37 Tate, Ben HOU RB

38 Hillman, Ronnie DEN RB

39 Ballard, Vick IND RB

the only guys on this list of interest to me is Gio and David Wilson. Both of which would require additional pieces or draft picks to get a trade done. Like I said the time to capitalize was right after the 1st preseason game.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I am not sure what point you are trying to make. He may not be a fantasy football guy but for a very long time Peter King has been watching more football from a much better vantage point than any of us could ever hope for. He is well respected throughout the NFL and his reputation has granted him inside access to players and coaches who tell him things even the most entrenched beat writers don't get to hear first hand. If Peter King says Vereen will likely pick up some of Hernandez's touches at the very least it should be viewed as solid confirmation of something that many of us suspected.

Peter King is a hack and his only purpose is to give another mouth to league talking points and openly flatter players/gms/coaches so that he can gain potential "inside" information later. He has made a name for himself repackaging the analysis of lesser known but far more knowledgeable sportswriters. He might be correct in this instance, largely because hes saying what everyone has been saying for 3 months or more.

As someone who has closely watched his credibility and analysis decline sharply in the past few years as his brand expanded, I think the idea of referring to PK as a knowledgeable source is laughable. I'm not saying he's wrong, but the assumption that his information is useful because he's PK is a bad one. Sorry for the derail but Peter King is terrible.

 

[Banger]

I think he is going a little higher than I would take him. There is a lot of hype on Thompkins, some hype on Sudfeld, Dobson and Boyce look a lot better and Gronk looks like he won't be on the PUP list to start the season. It is looking like there are a lot more mouths to feed. I remember using Faulk as a PPR bye week replacement and Woodhead was a borderline RB2 last year. Woodhead though had 8 games of less than 6 points even in PPR last year and his two big games were just less than 1/3 of his total points. In both leagues where I have drafted, Vereen is slotted as a RB2/3 for a team. He was kept in one league and drafted late 4th in another. If he is a bye week filler, he seems OK, but I would be worried about missing his good games and getting a RB3/4 when you play him.

He should be a low end RB2/high end RB3, but there is something I don't like about him. I just don't think his upside is high enough now that Thompkins, Sudfeld, Dobson and Boyce have shown life. They have all gotten better and Vereen's projections seem to be around the same as the beginning of the pre-season games.

I just posted something similar in the Thompkins thread. I'm just not sure how real Thompkins, Sudfeld, Dobson and Boyce are though. They have yet to take a real NFL snap and things in the regular season look way different than they do in the vanilla preseason. I have Vereen on one team and hopeful his role will be what I thought it would be. I think it will but time will tell.

I'm probably most hopeful about Thompkins but even he is a rookie and what would a great rookie season be? 70-850-6? With Gronk out and likely slowed the first few weeks back, Hernandez gone, Lloyd gone, Woodhead gone....there seems to still be a lot of receiving yards on the table and when push comes to shove I think Vereen will cause some good matchup problems and has Brady's confidence as they've played together longer.

 

[ODannyBoy]

I think he is going a little higher than I would take him. There is a lot of hype on Thompkins, some hype on Sudfeld, Dobson and Boyce look a lot better and Gronk looks like he won't be on the PUP list to start the season. It is looking like there are a lot more mouths to feed. I remember using Faulk as a PPR bye week replacement and Woodhead was a borderline RB2 last year. Woodhead though had 8 games of less than 6 points even in PPR last year and his two big games were just less than 1/3 of his total points. In both leagues where I have drafted, Vereen is slotted as a RB2/3 for a team. He was kept in one league and drafted late 4th in another. If he is a bye week filler, he seems OK, but I would be worried about missing his good games and getting a RB3/4 when you play him.

He should be a low end RB2/high end RB3, but there is something I don't like about him. I just don't think his upside is high enough now that Thompkins, Sudfeld, Dobson and Boyce have shown life. They have all gotten better and Vereen's projections seem to be around the same as the beginning of the pre-season games.

Good posting. I think the fault in Peter King's thinking is that BB will try and plug someone into Hernandez's role. It's actually the same argument that would encourage caution in regards to Sudfield and Thompkins.

To put it another way, who's role was Hernandez filling when he came in as a rookie?

Answer: He wasn't. BB and Co. created a role for him based on his unique talents. So why assume that BB will suddenly deviate from that and try to replace rather than to reevaluate and revise?

That's why when I see something like that from King, I think it's more him voicing his own opinion rather than floating something he actually learned from good sources.

That said, I think Vereen does bring something to the table that BB will exploit. But so are the rookie WR's, at least in terms of Thompkins and Dobson. So while I see Gronk maintaining his status - he is absoltely elite at his position, I am starting to back off on my confidence in all other Patriots because I think BB has options that he hasn't always had at the same time. I think they'll be a machine - and am thus pretty high on Brady - but I think the week to week consistency may be infuriating, even for Amendola.

It's strange to say, but the Pats may have resolved their WR corp issues for the next 6-7 years because of 3 picks in one draft.