Shark Pool Mock #2 - "What teams WILL do" - Spots open. (1 Viewer)

[Slapdash]

The two ways the Rams could go: OG Kyle Long or S DJ Swearinger

Kyle Long is the brother of Chris Long. He's a physical specimen at 6'6, 313 that can move very well for someone in his position and his strength is pass protection, which Sam Bradford would appreciate. He could be BPA with his skillset. But he is inexperienced, and he also needs a solid support system around him to keep a lid on his knucklehead tendencies.

DJ Swearinger would fill a major need for the Rams. He plays with a mean streak, a high motor, and is very well respected by his teammates. He's the kind of guy that Fisher loves. The issue is if the Rams gamble on getting their guy in the 3rd, as safety is a deep position this draft. Shamarko or Phillip Thomas could be available in the 3rd.

In conclusion, it's very easy for the Rams to go either way here. But the need to make sure Bradford is protected, the fact that Long is BPA, that safety is deep, AND the family connection, Long gets the slight edge.

With the 46th pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the St. Louis Rams select...Kyle Long, Offensive Guard, Oregon

I hope DJ can avoid being a walking personal foul in the NFL. Great player who reads the game well and makes some bone crushing hits. You all should look up the time he got three 15-yard penalties in a row, ending with throwing the ball in the stands after a pick-6.

Are any other safeties besides Vaccaro off the board?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Carrying forward to top of page so we don't have to go back-and-forth to check who has recently beent selected.

First Round

1 Kansas City - Andy D - Luke Joeckel, OT - Texas A&M
2 Jacksonville – jshare87 - Dion Jordan, DE/OLB - Oregon
3 Oakland - krsone21 - Sharrif Floyd, DT - Florida
4 Philadelphia - Andy D - Geno Smith, QB - WVU
5 Detroit - 8ebok24 - Eric Fisher, OT - Central Mich.
6 Cleveland - Bracie Smathers - CB Dee Milliner, Alabama
7 Arizona - ebaughn - Lane Johnson, OT - Oklahoma
8 Buffalo - Donsmith753 - Ryan Nassib, QB - Syracuse
9 NY Jets - Hell Toupee - Ziggy Ansah, DE - BYU
10 Tennessee - FUBAR - Xavier Rhodes, CB - FSU
11 San Diego – Ray Finkle - Chance Warmack, OG, Bama
12 Miami - Slapdash/JackReacher - CB desmond Trufant, Washington
13 Tampa Bay – RJS113 - FS Kenny Vaccaro, Texas
14 Carolina - jurb26 - DT Star Lotulelei, Utah
15 New Orleans - IHEARTFF - OLB/DE Jarvis Jones, Georgia
16 St. Louis - Brady Marino - WR Tavon Austin, West Virginia.
17 Pittsburgh - Evilgrin 72 - OLB/DE Barkevious Mingo, LSU.
18 Dallas - FunkyTeaParty - DT Sheldon Richardson, Missu
19 NY Giants - amicsta - Bjoern Werner, DE - FSU
20 Chicago - William Munny- Jonathan Cooper, OG, UNC
21 Cincinnati - cheese - OT DJ Fluker, Bama
22 St. Louis (from Washington) - Brady Marino - LB Alec Ogletree, UGA
23 Minnesota - 8ebok24 - Manti Te'o, MLB, ND
24 Indianapolis - Bamac - DeAndre Hopkins, WR - Clemson
25 Minnesota - 8ebok24 - Sylvester Williams, DT UNC
26 Green Bay - pipes/meyerj31 - Jonathan Cyprien, SS - FIU
27 Houston - meecrob - Arthur Brown LB - Kansas St
28 Denver - rascal - Cornellius Carradine, DE - FSU
29 New England – Tackling Dummies - Jamar Taylor, CB - Boise St.
30 Atlanta - D.J. Hayden, CB - Houston
31 San Francisco - 5Rings - WR Cordarrelle Patterson, TEN
32 Baltimore - Exalted One - LB Kevin Minter, LSU

SECOND ROUND
33. Jacksonville - – jshare87 - S Matt Elam, Florida
Dion Jordan, DE/OLB - Oregon

34. San Francisco (from Kansas City) - - 5Rings - DE Margus Hunt, SMU
Cordarrelle Patterson

35. Philadelphia - Andy D - TE Tyler Eifert, Notre Dame
Geno Smith, QB - WVU

36. Detroit - 8ebok24 - DE Alex Okafur, Texas
Eric Fisher, OT - Central Mich.

37. Cincinnati (from Oakland) - RB Eddie Lacy, Bama
OT DJ Fluker, Bama

38. Arizona - ebaughn - QB E.J. Manuel, FSU
Lane Johnson, OT - Oklahoma

Cleveland - used on 2012 supplemental selection of WR Josh Gordon
Dee Milliner, CB - Alabama

39. NY Jets - Hell Toupee - WR Keenan Allen, Cal
Ziggy Ansah, DE - BYU

40. Tennessee - FUBAR - DE Datone Jones, UCLA
Xavier Rhodes, CB - FSU

41. Buffalo - Donsmith753 - WR Robert Woods, USC
Ryan Nassib, QB - Syracuse

42. Miami - Slapdash/JackReacher - RT Menelik Watson, FSU
CB desmond Trufant, Washington

43. Tampa Bay - RJS113 - TE Gavin Escobar, SDSU
FS Kenny Vaccaro

**TRADE**44. Carolina (jurb26) trades pick to MIN- WR Justin Hunter, TENN
Manti Te'o, MLB -- Sylvester Williams, DT UNC

New Orleans - IHEARTFF - forfiet due to NFL imposed rule violation
OLB/DE Jarvis Jones, Georgia

45. San Diego - Ray Finkle - OT Justin Pugh, Syracuse
Chance Warmack, OG, Bama

46. St. Louis - Brady Marino - OT Kyle Long, Oregon
WR Tavon Austin, West Virginia.-- LB Alec Ogletree, UGA

47. Dallas - FunkyTeaParty - OT Terron Armstead, Arkansas
DT Sheldon Richardson, Missu

48. Pittsburgh - Evilgrin 72 -
OLB/DE Barkevious Mingo, LSU.

49. NY Giants - amicsta -
Bjoern Werner, DE - FSU

50. Chicago - William Munny-
Jonathan Cooper, OG

51. Washington - ? -

**TRADE**52. Minnesota trades pick to CAR - jurb -
DT Star Lotulelei, Utah

53. Cincinnati - cheese -
OT DJ Fluker, Bama

54. Miami (from Indianapolis) -
CB desmond Trufant, Washington

55. Green Bay - pipes/meyerj31 -
Jonathan Cyprien, SS - FIU

56. Seattle - ? -
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57. Houston - meecrob -
Arthur Brown LB - Kansas St

58. Denver - rascal
Cornellius Carradine, DE - FSU

59. New England - Tackling Dummies -
Jamar Taylor, CB - Boise St.

60. Atlanta - Tackling Dummies -
D.J. Hayden, CB - Houston

61. San Francisco - 5Rings -
WR Cordarrelle Patterson, TEN

62. Baltimore - Exalted One -
LB Kevin Minter, LSU

 

[Ridgelake]

Are any other safeties besides Vaccaro off the board?

Cyprien and Elam went mid 20s, early 30s.

 

[The Hank]

If EG72 cant make pick I have a good idea of who PIT would take.

 

[Slapdash]

Leaving work now... will check in by phone later after I get home.

proxy hank

 

[The Hank]

I havent spoken to EG72 about this pick, but I think he would agree with me... not sure if you want me to make it or if you want to wait for EG

 

[5Rings]

If EG72 cant make pick I have a good idea of who PIT would take.

trade with sf?

eta--on second thought, Moore is a lock for you guys IMO

 

[Ridgelake]

Dallas could go multiple directions here too. They have major needs at OL, DL, and Safety. In this mock, they went DL in round 1. They still have to fill the other spots.

In looking at their official visit list, which historically has been a strong indicator of interest for the team, they've brought in many OL prospects that are targeted to go in the first 75 picks and almost none thereafter. In contrast, they have looked at safeties who can reasonably go well into the 4th rounds. In contrast, Elam is the remaining safety in the 2nd tier and there is a material drop off thereafter.

Weighing these various items, i think Dallas ultimately goes OL with this pick, assuming another position in the first. So with that stated, the Cowboys pick:

T. Armstead OG/OT.

Now if Jerry mixes up his Viagra with his regular meds, I could see them go crazy with something like Marcus Lattimore or Giovanni Bernard. But I'll assume Garrett has enough pull to keep Jerry for going too crazy and stay OL.

Dallas may also be considering Warford. However, they seem to want to move towards more mobile linemen who can get out in space. Warford is a power blunt instrument. Armstead is an athlete. Armstead also can play multiple positions, something Dallas can certainly use.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I hope DJ can avoid being a walking personal foul in the NFL. Great player who reads the game well and makes some bone crushing hits. You all should look up the time he got three 15-yard penalties in a row, ending with throwing the ball in the stands after a pick-6.

Oh god that sounds awesome.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I havent spoken to EG72 about this pick, but I think he would agree with me... not sure if you want me to make it or if you want to wait for EG

Do it. 5Rings is right. Gotta be Moore since EG72 took him in the 1st last time.

 

[Ridgelake]

If EG72 cant make pick I have a good idea of who PIT would take.

trade with sf? eta--on second thought, Moore is a lock for you guys IMO

Do you couple Moore with Mingo from round 1?

 

[The Hank]

I was thinking RB, not sure they go back to back LB's.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Damn. I've done too many of these things so I lose track of who took who when.

I think RB is the right pick in light of Mingo in the 1st. Maybe WR.

 

[5Rings]

If EG72 cant make pick I have a good idea of who PIT would take.

trade with sf? eta--on second thought, Moore is a lock for you guys IMO

Do you couple Moore with Mingo from round 1?

uh, crap. i forgot about that

my bad

any OTs left?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Damn. I've done too many of these things so I lose track of who took who when.

I think RB is the right pick in light of Mingo in the 1st. Maybe WR.

When I updated the board I have the picks that each team has made up to this point in the draft listed underneath.

48. Pittsburgh - Evilgrin 72 -

OLB/DE Barkevious Mingo, LSU.

Pittsburgh taking a RB makes a ton of sense especially since only one has been selected so-far so they'd get the second best RB from the draft which is a great bargain here.

 

[The Hank]

I suggest they would take RB Johnathan Franklin UCLA or RB Giovani Bernard UNC, I know EG likes Le'veon Bell too

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Eh. Let EG make the pick when he has the time.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I suggest they would take RB Johnathan Franklin UCLA or RB Giovani Bernard UNC, I know EG likes Le'veon Bell too

I would imagine like Bell later but their is no guarantee that he'll be there since a couple of ofther teams have a need at RB and I think a mini-run will begin soon.

Pittsburgh has an glaring need at running back.

Franklin seems like a no-brainer if they go RB here.

 

[The Hank]

I suggest they would take RB Johnathan Franklin UCLA or RB Giovani Bernard UNC, I know EG likes Le'veon Bell too

I would imagine like Bell later but their is no guarantee that he'll be there since a couple of ofther teams have a need at RB and I think a mini-run will begin soon.

Pittsburgh has an glaring need at running back.

Franklin seems like a no-brainer if they go RB here.

Steelers recently brought in Franklin for a visit, makes sense (Only RB's of note brought in by PIT has been Franklin, Lacy and C. Michael)

 

[Slapdash]

Looks like we're done for the day then.

 

[heidbrink]

The two ways the Rams could go: OG Kyle Long or S DJ Swearinger

Kyle Long is the brother of Chris Long. He's a physical specimen at 6'6, 313 that can move very well for someone in his position and his strength is pass protection, which Sam Bradford would appreciate. He could be BPA with his skillset. But he is inexperienced, and he also needs a solid support system around him to keep a lid on his knucklehead tendencies.

DJ Swearinger would fill a major need for the Rams. He plays with a mean streak, a high motor, and is very well respected by his teammates. He's the kind of guy that Fisher loves. The issue is if the Rams gamble on getting their guy in the 3rd, as safety is a deep position this draft. Shamarko or Phillip Thomas could be available in the 3rd.

In conclusion, it's very easy for the Rams to go either way here. But the need to make sure Bradford is protected, the fact that Long is BPA, that safety is deep, AND the family connection, Long gets the slight edge.

With the 46th pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the St. Louis Rams select...Kyle Long, Offensive Guard, Oregon

Looking good. Patterson sure fell here! Could have actually gone Austin Patterson in the first in this mock. I do like how youve selected so far. Your choices thus far are very much in the realm of "What they will do". I do really like long but am also very interested to see how Rok Watson develops. After an injury riddled rookie season, Word is that he's really become quite the gym rat. Hoping for the best out of Rok. The long family connection and pedigree is fun. They always talk about the "family" atmosphere in Fisher's locker room!!! I like longs versatility to play inside or out and obviously potential athletically.

 

[Slapdash]

I hope DJ can avoid being a walking personal foul in the NFL. Great player who reads the game well and makes some bone crushing hits. You all should look up the time he got three 15-yard penalties in a row, ending with throwing the ball in the stands after a pick-6.

Oh god that sounds awesome.

Here you are: http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=5LEi_-C9IVo&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D5LEi_-C9IVo. They called the first one on another player, but it was clearly him. Very fun few moments in the stadium.

Here is another clip of his upside and downside:

 

[Brady Marino]

The two ways the Rams could go: OG Kyle Long or S DJ Swearinger

Kyle Long is the brother of Chris Long. He's a physical specimen at 6'6, 313 that can move very well for someone in his position and his strength is pass protection, which Sam Bradford would appreciate. He could be BPA with his skillset. But he is inexperienced, and he also needs a solid support system around him to keep a lid on his knucklehead tendencies.

DJ Swearinger would fill a major need for the Rams. He plays with a mean streak, a high motor, and is very well respected by his teammates. He's the kind of guy that Fisher loves. The issue is if the Rams gamble on getting their guy in the 3rd, as safety is a deep position this draft. Shamarko or Phillip Thomas could be available in the 3rd.

In conclusion, it's very easy for the Rams to go either way here. But the need to make sure Bradford is protected, the fact that Long is BPA, that safety is deep, AND the family connection, Long gets the slight edge.

With the 46th pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the St. Louis Rams select...Kyle Long, Offensive Guard, Oregon

Looking good. Patterson sure fell here! Could have actually gone Austin Patterson in the first in this mock. I do like how youve selected so far. Your choices thus far are very much in the realm of "What they will do". I do really like long but am also very interested to see how Rok Watson develops. After an injury riddled rookie season, Word is that he's really become quite the gym rat. Hoping for the best out of Rok. The long family connection and pedigree is fun. They always talk about the "family" atmosphere in Fisher's locker room!!! I like longs versatility to play inside or out and obviously potential athletically.

If the Rams take Long, I think they do so with the intention of making him their starting LG at some point. I know they like Shelley Smith, but that's really about the only other viable LG candidate they have, IMO. Rok Watson was too banged up last year to really develop, and he still may be a project. Plus, I still wouldn't be surprised to see Dahl's contract reworked or to see him cut. Rams still need a RB as well and I don't see it in this draft. I see it in a Cedric Benson or DeAngelo Williams (after he's cut), and the Rams are so hard up against the cap, they need to make room somewhere.

I don't think the Rams are that depleted at WR that they'd go with both Austin and Patterson. They still have needs (and notice how I didn't even fill the safety need yet).

I still think the Rams could make a trade in the 1st and if they do, all this changes. I think we did establish that the Rams would have better luck dealing from 16, which would be made easy if Tavon Austin and/or Kenny Vaccaro are gone. If one or both are there, it becomes a dilemma.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

2.48 - Johnathan Franklin, RB - UCLA

Okay. I know we didn't wait THAT long, but this makes too much sense.

 

[amicsta]

Giants need offensive line help, must get younger. Im pretty sure this guy isnt already taken: Larry Warford, G, Kentucky

 

[amicsta]

Fills a need and fits their mantra of BPA imo

 

[William Munny]

I'll start getting ready for the Bears pick. Need to get younger all over on D

 

[FUBAR]

Giants need offensive line help, must get younger. Im pretty sure this guy isnt already taken: Larry Warford, G, Kentucky

In the real draft he won't be here imo. The more i think about it, the more i think the titans take either Cooper in the first or warford in the 2nd.

 

[William Munny]

Like I said Bears need to get younger all over the D. From what I know about his Jags D, Mel Tucker will look for some beef on the line, something Lovie never cared about.

2.50 Bears - Jesse Williams, DT Alabama

 

[Ridgelake]

Are we going 3 rounds?

 

[Donnybrook]

I hope DJ can avoid being a walking personal foul in the NFL. Great player who reads the game well and makes some bone crushing hits. You all should look up the time he got three 15-yard penalties in a row, ending with throwing the ball in the stands after a pick-6.

Oh god that sounds awesome.

Here you are: http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=5LEi_-C9IVo&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D5LEi_-C9IVo.They called the first one on another player, but it was clearly him. Very fun few moments in the stadium.

Here is another clip of his upside and downside:

Swearinger is not afraid to deliver and celebrate a big hit. That stuff probably won't fly in the NFL but I love watching his highlights. He has the enthusiasm of a young Ray Lewis.

 

[5Rings]

Like I said Bears need to get younger all over the D. From what I know about his Jags D, Mel Tucker will look for some beef on the line, something Lovie never cared about.2.50 Bears - Jesse Williams, DT Alabama

sf was trying to trade up to get him. great pick

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Are we going 3 rounds?

We can try but I'm not going to shepherd it.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I see Jonathan Banks here.

 

[Brady Marino]

I hope DJ can avoid being a walking personal foul in the NFL. Great player who reads the game well and makes some bone crushing hits. You all should look up the time he got three 15-yard penalties in a row, ending with throwing the ball in the stands after a pick-6.

Oh god that sounds awesome.

Here you are: http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=5LEi_-C9IVo&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D5LEi_-C9IVo.They called the first one on another player, but it was clearly him. Very fun few moments in the stadium.

Here is another clip of his upside and downside:

I may have overvalued him in the 2nd round. For instance, a_rackowski had DJ going in the late 3rd. I wonder if his "exuberance" will turn teams off enough for him to slide to the 3rd.

I still think he'd be a fabulous fit in STL, though. Like I said, Fisher loves guys like him and would rather tone a guy down than try to stick a caddle prod up someone else.

 

[ExaltedOne]

Sorry for the delay, didn't realize I was selecting for the Skins (I asked but never got a response).

Anyways, the Redskins have huge needs in the secondary and offensive tackle. They didn't have any money to address those needs in free agency, so they need to take the BPA at those positions.

Lots of tackles are off the board. I'm hoping in the real draft that Armstead will fall here, as his athleticism would make him a perfect target for the zone blocking scheme.

Lots of safeties gone too. I'd love for a guy like Cyprien or Elam to fall, but they obviously didn't here.

Considering how many corners have been taken, I'm surprised this guy is still there, as this guy is #4 on my board for them.

Without further adieu, with the 51st pick in the 2013 NFL draft the Redskins select Johnthan Banks, CB.

 

[Slapdash]

I think Banks is very good value here.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

2.52 - Da'Rick Rogers, WR - Tennessee Tech

Sounds like he'd be worth the gamble. In our exercise here, this is Carolina's pick.

 

[Brady Marino]

2.52 - Da'Rick Rogers, WR - Tennessee Tech

Sounds like he'd be worth the gamble. In our exercise here, this is Carolina's pick.

Good pick. Newton needs weapons and he's got upside.

 

[Cookiemonster]

2.48 - Johnathan Franklin, RB - UCLA

Okay. I know we didn't wait THAT long, but this makes too much sense.

Jesse Williams still on the board makes MUCH more sense. Still decent RBs to be had in the 3rd and 4th.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Williams would have been my pick, but I was otherwise disposed, so my bad. No big deal.

 

[cheese]

I think this is a pick the Bengals will use on BPA once they land an OL and RB in some order the first 2 picks. I don't see a clear BPA though so I think they would at least consider taking their pick of the safeties which most assume will be their 3rd rounder. If they have a clear favorite among Thomas, Shamarko, Wilcox, Swearinger, Rambo, they could go ahead and take him. I don't think so though, so they'll stockpile a corner.

Darius Slay cb 2.53

 

[Slapdash]

I actually think the BPA right now is a safety.

Miami Dolphins select S Eric Reid at 2.54

A very athletic safety that some have as high as the first round. The Dolphins don't have the best starters at safety or any depth really. Reid should be able to displace Clemons and start during this season. Joins Trufant to make this secondary much stronger and talented. I could see DE or TE being picked here as well.

 

[Pipes]

2.55

Green Bay selections Jonathan Hankins DT Ohio State

With Pickett being 33 and Worthy injuring his ACL late in the season Dline is definitely an area of need. Debated hard between Hankins and Jenkins but with with Hankins due to his versatility. Capers seems to like those guys that can either play inside or out. Hankins fills a huge need for the Packers.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

You know, the Raiders are really going to #### up a lot of mock drafts.

 

[biju]

2.56 Kawann Short, DT - Purdue

Part of the reason I like Short here is that he's a good run stuffer and with the loss of Alan Branch to free agency the Seahawks are looking to fill that role with a cheaper body. Many will think the Seahawks should choose one of their other needs, such as WLB or RT, but I don't think they will use an early pick on either of these positions instead opting to continue to improve the D-line with young talent.

 

[ExaltedOne]

Wow my pick of Kevin Minter looks even better with McClain getting arrested.

 

[cheese]

I actually think the BPA right now is a safety.Miami Dolphins select S Eric Reid at 2.54A very athletic safety that some have as high as the first round. The Dolphins don't have the best starters at safety or any depth really. Reid should be able to displace Clemons and start during this season. Joins Trufant to make this secondary much stronger and talented. I could see DE or TE being picked here as well.

To be 100% honest, I at least partially passed on Reid because I don't think he'll be there. I think this pick is a complete crap shoot though because there are so many safeties projected in the 3rd round and there is a really good chance their other needs (OL/RB) are already met by the time we get to 53. To guess this pick right, you'd have to know which players the Bengals are high on at positions where they've already got starters.

You might be right that Reid is BPA though and they do like big safeties. Given that he was there in our scenerio, maybe I should've done it. Oh well.

 

[Slapdash]

I actually think the BPA right now is a safety.Miami Dolphins select S Eric Reid at 2.54A very athletic safety that some have as high as the first round. The Dolphins don't have the best starters at safety or any depth really. Reid should be able to displace Clemons and start during this season. Joins Trufant to make this secondary much stronger and talented. I could see DE or TE being picked here as well.

To be 100% honest, I at least partially passed on Reid because I don't think he'll be there. I think this pick is a complete crap shoot though because there are so many safeties projected in the 3rd round and there is a really good chance their other needs (OL/RB) are already met by the time we get to 53. To guess this pick right, you'd have to know which players the Bengals are high on at positions where they've already got starters.

You might be right that Reid is BPA though and they do like big safeties. Given that he was there in our scenerio, maybe I should've done it. Oh well.

I have seen Reid all over the place, even slipping into the third in a couple of mocks. I'm not sure why there is so much variability with him.

 

[cheese]

I actually think the BPA right now is a safety.Miami Dolphins select S Eric Reid at 2.54A very athletic safety that some have as high as the first round. The Dolphins don't have the best starters at safety or any depth really. Reid should be able to displace Clemons and start during this season. Joins Trufant to make this secondary much stronger and talented. I could see DE or TE being picked here as well.

To be 100% honest, I at least partially passed on Reid because I don't think he'll be there. I think this pick is a complete crap shoot though because there are so many safeties projected in the 3rd round and there is a really good chance their other needs (OL/RB) are already met by the time we get to 53. To guess this pick right, you'd have to know which players the Bengals are high on at positions where they've already got starters.

You might be right that Reid is BPA though and they do like big safeties. Given that he was there in our scenerio, maybe I should've done it. Oh well.

I have seen Reid all over the place, even slipping into the third in a couple of mocks. I'm not sure why there is so much variability with him.

Interesting. Call it a gut feeling, but I still don't see him as a fit for the Bengals. Your gain at 54 I guess in this scenerio.