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Shaun Alexander as good as a goner.. (1 Viewer)

As long as they use the money to resign Jones (who STILL wants record setting $$) and LG Hutchinson. ...won't argue about them being fools, the firing of Whitsett sort of proves that
Hutchison is NOT a free agent this season or a RFA for that matter.UFAMatt Hasselbeck Shaun Alexander Walter Jones Chike Okeafor Brandon Mitchell Chris Gray Floyd Womack Orlando Huff Alex Bannister Heath Evans Tom Rouen Robbie Tobeck Ken Lucas Itula Mili Bob Whitsitt got them into this trouble, yet you find it weird that they fired him?
 
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I won't argue about them being fools, the firing of Whitsett sort of proves that,
I mean absolutely no offense, but your comment shows that you know absolutely nothing about the Seahawks. Honestly, the firing of Whitsitt was the absolute BEST thing that could happen to this organization in the offseason, no matter which players they re-sign or lose. He was a cancer in the front office & had very little football knowledge. The fact that he was the only one in the organization that had Paul Allen's ear really has hurt this franchise & it was spiriling downward at an increasing rate. Many conspiracy theorists would argue that with all of these free agents coming due at the same time, Whitsitt was trying to force Holmgren out of the door & was actually pretty shocked that Holmgren wanted to stay. Who left the Seahawks with all of these FA? Who overpaid Wistrom & Taylor last year?Hopefully the organization will sign the right players to take this team forward, and no I do not think Alexander is that right player at the price he wants. Alexander is very heavy about the glamour, stats, money. He has never been enamored with Seattle as it is tucked away far away from the big endorsement areas. Look for him to land in a major market with a huge salary. The Seahawks would be wise to take the money they would pay Alexander and spread it around on defense. Alexander is a good player, but with his attitude & I'd imagine demands of top 3-5 back money, he is not worth the investment.
 
As long as they use the money to resign Jones (who STILL wants record setting $$) and LG Hutchinson. ...won't argue about them being fools, the firing of Whitsett sort of proves that
Hutchison is NOT a free agent this season or a RFA for that matter.UFAMatt Hasselbeck Shaun Alexander Walter Jones Chike Okeafor Brandon Mitchell Chris Gray Floyd Womack Orlando Huff Alex Bannister Heath Evans Tom Rouen Robbie Tobeck Ken Lucas Itula Mili Bob Whitsitt got them into this trouble, yet you find it weird that they fired him?
Oh I see. I meant that Whitsett was the fool and this mess was the reason he was fired, but it didn't come out well. I could have sworn Hutch was a FA this year, my bad. Must have been thinking about Tobeck. Still a pretty key signing as he and Hass are close and have played together for a good while in the same offense.
 
Alexander is a star, and always has been. Nothing to do with the system.
Could you expand on this idea? If you were a scout looking to sign him to a FA contract, what would your player evaluation of him look like?
Alexander has one attribute that makes him great...his vision. His ability to see the hole opeing before anyone else is the reason he scores TDs at a record pace.

I like the comparison to "Eagle Eye" Dorsett.

 
His ability to see the hole opeing before anyone else is the reason he scores TDs at a record pace.
I think Curtis Martin and his proponents would take umbrage to that.I don't doubt that he has good vision, but I wouldn't account his extraordinary TD production to that. Rather, being part of a potent offense in which he is typically option 1, 2 and 3 at the goal line. Except the one time that Hasselback did his QB sneak that cost him the rushing title ;)
 
I think people mistake that just because morris is the backup that he will be the #1.Morris will not be the #1 next year for the Hawks, but I do think that he could be part of a RBBC with Carter and a rookie.

 
Alexander is a star, and always has been. Nothing to do with the system.
Could you expand on this idea? If you were a scout looking to sign him to a FA contract, what would your player evaluation of him look like?
Alexander has one attribute that makes him great...his vision. His ability to see the hole opeing before anyone else is the reason he scores TDs at a record pace.

I like the comparison to "Eagle Eye" Dorsett.
Yes, he sees the massive holes that great O-line opens up and he just runs through them without getting touched, what would happen if he didn't get those massive holes?
 
I don't doubt that he has good vision, but I wouldn't account his extraordinary TD production to that. Rather, being part of a potent offense in which he is typically option 1, 2 and 3 at the goal line. Except the one time that Hasselback did his QB sneak that cost him the rushing title ;)
So, is the reason he broke TD records in the SEC also because he was "part of a potent offense"??The reason he broke TD records in high school in Cincy because he was "part of a potent offense"??The reason SA has scored 16 or more TDs in the last 4 years (even though the Seahawks were not statiscally in the top-15 scoring teams in '01 and '02) because he was "part of a potent offense"??No...it's because Alexander is a special player with a nose for the end zone. Just like Marcus Allen.
 
Yes, he sees the massive holes that great O-line opens up and he just runs through them without getting touched, what would happen if he didn't get those massive holes?
It may be a hole the o-line opens up, it may be a hole he sees on the other side of the field reachable by cutting back, it may be a hole he waits on to develop as the defenders overpursue...the bottom line is he finds daylight.
 
Yes, he sees the massive holes that great O-line opens up and he just runs through them without getting touched, what would happen if he didn't get those massive holes?
It may be a hole the o-line opens up, it may be a hole he sees on the other side of the field reachable by cutting back, it may be a hole he waits on to develop as the defenders overpursue...the bottom line is he finds daylight.
My point is that its not hard to find daylight on the left side behind Pro-bowlers Walter Jones and Steve Hutchison. He's not gifted for seeing gaping holes made by these two.
 
Alexander is one of the most talented, and somehow underated and underappreciated backs in the league. Let's see how "great" Hass and Co. (not to mention holgrem if he is still there) are without their best offensive weapon (and their best weapon by far).Alexander is a better back than Portis... Portis is faster, but not better (as shown this year for sure). The only back I consider hands down better is LT2, in terms of skills and ability and what they will bring to the table, all other things being equal.Yes, Shaun is a baby. Yes, he sometims gets taken for a loss (ala Sanders) instead of always getting 1 or 2 yards (ala Emmitt) but the fact is, Alexander is an absolute gamebreaker.I knew from the day my Giants passed him up (I was a HUGE fan of Alexander watching what he did at bama) he would be a great in the NFL.

 
Didnt Holmgren draft Alexander?? If so, why the desire to get rid of him from day 1?
Do you think he really "wanted to get rid of him from day 1", because you read it on a message board? Of course he didn't.
No, just asking why someone would think that.I dont understand why Holmgren doesnt LOVE the guy. Hes soft spoken, all business, and produces.
 
Didnt Holmgren draft Alexander?? If so, why the desire to get rid of him from day 1?
Do you think he really "wanted to get rid of him from day 1", because you read it on a message board? Of course he didn't.
No, just asking why someone would think that.I dont understand why Holmgren doesnt LOVE the guy. Hes soft spoken, all business, and produces.
He is soft and goes down easily in contact. You'll never see him strive for a few more yards.He dances at the line of scrimmage instead of hitting it with power. He was taken out on short yard downs cause he couldnt be counted on. He has been taking out on 3rd downs lately cause he is horrendous at blocking.
 
Count me as one of the those who thinks SA is very underappreciated. As others have pointed out, he has produced at every level. Sure he has a good OL, but you don't produce the kind of stats SA does year after year without great talent.I play in a league that allows us to draft developmental players (NFL or college). We have a salary cap, with salary determined by draft round and years with one team. Drafting college players is a crapshoot, but it can pay off big when a developmental player becomes a stud quickly. When I drafted Alexander his senior year, one of our more successful coaches laughed and commented on SA's "4.7 speed." I knew SA wasn't a blazer, but I had seen him play in person (against my Vols), and I knew he could play. He has vision and the ability to find the seam. I've had SA ever since, and I still have to laugh at those who refuse to give him his due.

 
What people forget is that Holmgren was the GM for a good while, and he also helped create this mess we have right now. He's generally been getting off with no blame.The key is what is done with the O-Line, if most of the guys aren't back, you're looking at a minimum of half a season to jell. That could make the 'Hawks third in the division looking up at the Rams & maybe even the Cards. A lesser back, a lesser O-line and the inevitable offensive predictability doesn't bode well.

 
That right system is an awesome O-line.Playing behind a great O-line does wonders for a running game. Alexander may have been a star his whole life, but if he was playing elsewhere, he would not be close to the stats he has now in Seattle.Just look at those RBs you named and tell me how a great O-line affected them? It would be great to have Alexander back but not if it means breaking the bank and not being able to improve the team in other aspects.
:goodposting: It always amuses me when people talk about a RB being in a great "system". 9 times out of 10 that "system" is the offensive line.Of course, no RB racks up 1696 yards unless he's good AND the O-line is good. But if the Seahawks have to choose between Alexander and Walter Jones, there's no doubt Jones is the way to go. Remember how bad Alexander looked when Jones held out in 2002? I'd take an average back running behind Jones over Alexander running behind an average left tackle any day.
 
Just for the sake of argument, and because there is speculation that Alexander wants to play in Cincy..Who do you think would have more success:Alexander in CincyorRudi Johnson in SeattleIMHO, even though I'm not a fan, I'd take Rudi.

 
Rudi isn't half the back Alexander is. He is a straight ahead runner who would be nothing without the oline. Alexander has a burst that Rudi doesn't have.

 
Didnt Holmgren draft Alexander?? If so, why the desire to get rid of him from day 1?
Do you think he really "wanted to get rid of him from day 1", because you read it on a message board? Of course he didn't.
No, just asking why someone would think that.I dont understand why Holmgren doesnt LOVE the guy. Hes soft spoken, all business, and produces.
He is soft and goes down easily in contact. You'll never see him strive for a few more yards.He dances at the line of scrimmage instead of hitting it with power. He was taken out on short yard downs cause he couldnt be counted on. He has been taking out on 3rd downs lately cause he is horrendous at blocking.
He gets taken out on 3rd downs because he doesn't excel at catching the ball out of the backfield.Also I'm not sure I agree you your short yard comments...he had a ton of "Short Yards" TD's. I'm not saying he couldn't improve but he has a nose for the goal line.I don't get the "Haters". Is it because Alexander is a boring and overly flashy? I think he is a highly effective runner. He will be a success with which ever team he goes to.
 
Didnt Holmgren draft Alexander?? If so, why the desire to get rid of him from day 1?
Do you think he really "wanted to get rid of him from day 1", because you read it on a message board? Of course he didn't.
No, just asking why someone would think that.I dont understand why Holmgren doesnt LOVE the guy. Hes soft spoken, all business, and produces.
He is soft and goes down easily in contact. You'll never see him strive for a few more yards.He dances at the line of scrimmage instead of hitting it with power. He was taken out on short yard downs cause he couldnt be counted on. He has been taking out on 3rd downs lately cause he is horrendous at blocking.
He gets taken out on 3rd downs because he doesn't excel at catching the ball out of the backfield.Also I'm not sure I agree you your short yard comments...he had a ton of "Short Yards" TD's. I'm not saying he couldn't improve but he has a nose for the goal line.I don't get the "Haters". Is it because Alexander is a boring and overly flashy? I think he is a highly effective runner. He will be a success with which ever team he goes to.
I’m not so sure he wasn’t used on 3rd down because he can’t catch. Take a look at his receiving numbers before this year2001 – 44-343-7.8 2002 – 59-460-7.82003 – 42-295-7.0Seem like he was pretty productive catching the ball in the past
 
Didnt Holmgren draft Alexander?? If so, why the desire to get rid of him from day 1?
Do you think he really "wanted to get rid of him from day 1", because you read it on a message board? Of course he didn't.
No, just asking why someone would think that.I dont understand why Holmgren doesnt LOVE the guy. Hes soft spoken, all business, and produces.
He is soft and goes down easily in contact. You'll never see him strive for a few more yards.He dances at the line of scrimmage instead of hitting it with power. He was taken out on short yard downs cause he couldnt be counted on. He has been taking out on 3rd downs lately cause he is horrendous at blocking.
He gets taken out on 3rd downs because he doesn't excel at catching the ball out of the backfield.Also I'm not sure I agree you your short yard comments...he had a ton of "Short Yards" TD's. I'm not saying he couldn't improve but he has a nose for the goal line.I don't get the "Haters". Is it because Alexander is a boring and overly flashy? I think he is a highly effective runner. He will be a success with which ever team he goes to.
I’m not so sure he wasn’t used on 3rd down because he can’t catch. Take a look at his receiving numbers before this year2001 – 44-343-7.8 2002 – 59-460-7.82003 – 42-295-7.0Seem like he was pretty productive catching the ball in the past
Let's not get into semantics.......I know he can catch. I just said it's not what he excels at.Please let rest of us idiots know why he wasn't used on 3rd down then?
 
Just for the sake of argument, and because there is speculation that Alexander wants to play in Cincy..Who do you think would have more success:Alexander in CincyorRudi Johnson in SeattleIMHO, even though I'm not a fan, I'd take Rudi.
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Didnt Holmgren draft Alexander?? If so, why the desire to get rid of him from day 1?
Do you think he really "wanted to get rid of him from day 1", because you read it on a message board? Of course he didn't.
No, just asking why someone would think that.I dont understand why Holmgren doesnt LOVE the guy. Hes soft spoken, all business, and produces.
He is soft and goes down easily in contact. You'll never see him strive for a few more yards.He dances at the line of scrimmage instead of hitting it with power. He was taken out on short yard downs cause he couldnt be counted on.

He has been taking out on 3rd downs lately cause he is horrendous at blocking.
He gets taken out on 3rd downs because he doesn't excel at catching the ball out of the backfield.Also I'm not sure I agree you your short yard comments...he had a ton of "Short Yards" TD's. I'm not saying he couldn't improve but he has a nose for the goal line.

I don't get the "Haters". Is it because Alexander is a boring and overly flashy? I think he is a highly effective runner. He will be a success with which ever team he goes to.
I’m not so sure he wasn’t used on 3rd down because he can’t catch. Take a look at his receiving numbers before this year

2001 – 44-343-7.8

2002 – 59-460-7.8

2003 – 42-295-7.0

Seem like he was pretty productive catching the ball in the past
Let's not get into semantics.......I know he can catch. I just said it's not what he excels at.Please let rest of us idiots know why he wasn't used on 3rd down then?
Very good question. You tell me because it doesn’t make a bit of sense to me.I took a look at Morris’ receiving numbers and they are not impressive at all.

2002 – 3-25-8.3

2003 – 4-32-8.0

2004 – 9-53-5.9 (Alexander was 23-170-7.4 in 2004)

While Alexander may not excel at catching the ball he sure does appear to be better at it than Morris.

 
GBN is reporting that Alexander would "be happy" to play for Tampa Bay if Miami isn't interested. Thats the first I've heard of him being interested in the Bucs.Colin

 
GBN is reporting that Alexander would "be happy" to play for Tampa Bay if Miami isn't interested. Thats the first I've heard of him being interested in the Bucs.Colin
I'm not so sure the feeling is mutual from Tampa though - not from a talent standpoint of course, but from a financial one. The team's cap situation probably won't allow it to bring him on board.
 
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On mocks...why are the Seahawks never listed drafting a running back?Hasselbeck - resignsJones - taggedSA - bye byeSeahawks 1st round pick - running back

 
On mocks...why are the Seahawks never listed drafting a running back?Hasselbeck - resignsJones - taggedSA - bye byeSeahawks 1st round pick - running back
Because none of the Big 3 (which are the only3 thought to be assured of 1st round status) make it to the Seahawks. I think they'll snag someone like Fason or Houston in round 2 if needbe.Colin
 
Didnt Holmgren draft Alexander?? If so, why the desire to get rid of him from day 1?
Do you think he really "wanted to get rid of him from day 1", because you read it on a message board? Of course he didn't.
No, just asking why someone would think that.I dont understand why Holmgren doesnt LOVE the guy. Hes soft spoken, all business, and produces.
He is soft and goes down easily in contact. You'll never see him strive for a few more yards.He dances at the line of scrimmage instead of hitting it with power. He was taken out on short yard downs cause he couldnt be counted on.

He has been taking out on 3rd downs lately cause he is horrendous at blocking.
He gets taken out on 3rd downs because he doesn't excel at catching the ball out of the backfield.Also I'm not sure I agree you your short yard comments...he had a ton of "Short Yards" TD's. I'm not saying he couldn't improve but he has a nose for the goal line.

I don't get the "Haters". Is it because Alexander is a boring and overly flashy? I think he is a highly effective runner. He will be a success with which ever team he goes to.
I’m not so sure he wasn’t used on 3rd down because he can’t catch. Take a look at his receiving numbers before this year

2001 – 44-343-7.8

2002 – 59-460-7.8

2003 – 42-295-7.0

Seem like he was pretty productive catching the ball in the past
Let's not get into semantics.......I know he can catch. I just said it's not what he excels at.Please let rest of us idiots know why he wasn't used on 3rd down then?
Very good question. You tell me because it doesn’t make a bit of sense to me.I took a look at Morris’ receiving numbers and they are not impressive at all.

2002 – 3-25-8.3

2003 – 4-32-8.0

2004 – 9-53-5.9 (Alexander was 23-170-7.4 in 2004)

While Alexander may not excel at catching the ball he sure does appear to be better at it than Morris.
OK....If I were to speculate. I would say it's due to 2 things.

1) A desire from Holmgren to keep him fresh.

2) I still say it's not what he excels at. I think there is a huge difference catching the ball on 1rst+2nd down vs. 3rd down. He was not effective doing this...or else he'd be in there.

 
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On mocks...why are the Seahawks never listed drafting a running back?Hasselbeck - resignsJones - taggedSA - bye byeSeahawks 1st round pick - running back
They can get a FA running back, that's why. They need to draft a MLB or DE.
 
2) I still say it's not what he excels at. I think there is a huge difference catching the ball on 1rst+2nd down vs. 3rd down. He was not effective doing this...or else he'd be in there.
On 3rd down it's not about catching the ball. It's about blitz pickup, which Alexander is not good at.Think about it. In 3rd down passing situations, most teams will be playing a single back set with multiple receivers. The running back is not going to be the first or second receiver the QB looks at. He might serve as a last-ditch checkdown, but it's highly unlikely he will run a route to try and pick up the first down yardage. As the only man in the backfield, the RB is the QB's last line of defense against an incoming blitzer. If he doesn't pick him up, the QB gets killed and it's time to punt. That's responsibility #1.
 
2) I still say it's not what he excels at. I think there is a huge difference catching the ball on 1rst+2nd down vs. 3rd down. He was not effective doing this...or else he'd be in there.
On 3rd down it's not about catching the ball. It's about blitz pickup, which Alexander is not good at.Think about it. In 3rd down passing situations, most teams will be playing a single back set with multiple receivers. The running back is not going to be the first or second receiver the QB looks at. He might serve as a last-ditch checkdown, but it's highly unlikely he will run a route to try and pick up the first down yardage. As the only man in the backfield, the RB is the QB's last line of defense against an incoming blitzer. If he doesn't pick him up, the QB gets killed and it's time to punt. That's responsibility #1.
He's fine.
 
A little nugget I found suggests Alexander isn't really interested in returning. Not that we're totaly shocked by that. Not exactly what I call a ringing endorsement of the Seahawks and I think this serves as more evidence he is motivated to go elsewhere:February 3, 2005 11:01 AM ET Seahawks: Alexander critical of organizational turmoilThe NewsSeahawks' running back Shaun Alexander said Wednesday that the team's lengthy search for a new president could be a deciding factor in whether he re-signs with the team. "As a player, a guy who thinks we have a team capable of doing some damage if we can hold it together, you would love to see everybody come back again," Alexander told the ESPN website. "But with the situation like it is, and with things unsettled as to who is calling the shots, you just don't know." Alexander will be a free agent during the offseason. Our ViewThe Seahawks have interviewed several candidates for the team president position, which has been vacant since the middle of January. For his part, Alexander continues to play all sides by telling reporters that he really likes the idea of playing, well, anywhere. The closest he has come to actually identifying a team he would like to play for other than the Seahawks is when he told reporters that he is intrigued by the Dolphins.

 
Interestingly, Chris Mortensen's latest chat suggests EXACTLY the opposite:

Go Seahawks (Philly,PA): Hey Mort! Which of the big 3 free agents do you see the Seahawks re-signing: Hasselbeck, Alexander and/or Jones?

Chris Mortensen: Maybe all three. I know from talking to Alexander yesterday at the NFC practice, he certainly had a sense that Seahawks were going to sign each of them. He CLEARLY wants to be back in Seattle, based on my conversation with him. He pointed out that the Seahawks have plenty of cap room and plenty of cash to pull this off. There has been some talk that Jones or Alexander could move on, but right now, all's pretty quiet on that front.
 
Interestingly, Chris Mortensen's latest chat suggests EXACTLY the opposite:

Go Seahawks (Philly,PA): Hey Mort! Which of the big 3 free agents do you see the Seahawks re-signing: Hasselbeck, Alexander and/or Jones?

Chris Mortensen: Maybe all three. I know from talking to Alexander yesterday at the NFC practice, he certainly had a sense that Seahawks were going to sign each of them. He CLEARLY wants to be back in Seattle, based on my conversation with him. He pointed out that the Seahawks have plenty of cap room and plenty of cash to pull this off. There has been some talk that Jones or Alexander could move on, but right now, all's pretty quiet on that front.
The calm before the storm? The ting I've noticed is ever since the 1 yard debacle Alexander has made numerous negative comments. Other rumblings have suggested that Alexander is "me first" player and that teammates are not real thrilled with that attitude.When you weigh the disappointments of their playoffs and add these other factors into the mix I'm left feeling he will not be back.

 
A few things:1. There are pretty credible rumors floating around saying that retaining Alexander is not one of Seattle's top priorities this offseason.2. I've read from mutliple sources that Alexander is not viewed as highly by most NFL personnel people as fans might suspect. A lot of scouts think he's a soft player who avoids contact and generally doesn't always give it his all. This isn't necessarily my opinion, but it's something I've read more than once in the past year or two. Personally, I see him walking. My thinking is that Seattle will either trade their second for Travis Henry, draft someone, or sign LaMont Jordan.

 
The Seahawks are fools. They pay an over-rated WR like Darrell Jackson $25 million but won't resign Alexander. I've rooted for the Seahawks for years and thought Holmgren would turn the team around but they are in shambles. They wouldn't even resign their franchise LT and keep giving him the franchise tag every year. Now Hasselbeck could be gone because they were too stupid to resign him earlier. Their personnel decision make zero sense to me.
If they could have signed Alexander to a $25 million contract they would have and Jackson would be on his way out. Unfortunately, he'll cost probably twice that (or more). They figure they can get another productive back via free agency for 25-35 million less, or the draft for 40-50 million less. Sure they would like to keep all of their good players including Alexander, but there is a salary cap.
 
GBN is reporting that Alexander would "be happy" to play for Tampa Bay if Miami isn't interested. Thats the first I've heard of him being interested in the Bucs.Colin
Alexander is goign to say he would love to play anywhere, he isn't going to burn bridges or shut down possible doors. He is simply saying the right things for leverage when it comes downto talking about money. The more teams that are vying for you, the more you will get. This is part of the free market process to make sure as many teams are bidding on his services as possible.So Alexander is going to say he wants to play EVERYWHERE and will say he loves every city cause that is what will bring in more moola for him.
 
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I really hope that the Seahawks use up their entire cap signing Alexander, Hass, and Jones. Then, I hope someone in the Vikings organization grows a brain and steals Okeafor and Ken Lucas from them.

 
The selection of Shaun Alexander has been responsible for the outcome of more fantasy points points than any other player since Draft Day 2000. Yeah, I know yer tinkin, whaaaa???????Taking you back to Draft Day 2000, there was one position the Seahawks were not considering with a top 2 pick. The Running Back position was not lacking what clearly the other departments were with Ricky Watters coming off a normal top 20 producing fantasy year, and at backup, Ahman Green. Kitna w/B Huard as the backup at QB for the "2nd year removed from Favre QB God". You think he likes that little arrangement????The Seahawks and Chiefs finished the 1999 season at 9-7, tied for best AFC West record. The running back starved Chiefs (anders, richardson, cloud come to mind) were picking right behind the Seahawks, and were clearly in need of a RB with their #1 pick. Seahawks are forced to take the "consensus" top 8-12 pick with their 17th pick, (dont quote pick#, this is from memory), sadly for Holmgren this turns out to be the Alabama Running Back Shaun Alexander. The "move" to protect himself from allowing the rival Chiefs to get the back they covet so low in the draft was the one of the main reasons for the "great draft day" by GM/HC Homgren. The following pick goes to KC, no top tier back on the board, Holmgren's move is labeled brilliant.Such a subtle move paved the way for Priest Holmes to be traded to the Chiefs. If Priest would have gone to any team but KC, "I" firmly believe he would not have been the back he was. His extra ordinary skills have been used to maximum benefit. This clearly also paved the way for Ahman Green's move to Green Bay!!This being said, the combination of Shaun Alexander, Ahman Green and Priest Holmes total stats could be viewed as simply the domino effect of one player being added to the mix, not worth adding hasselbeck/kitna #'s to the equation, as that really proves my point LOL.That being said who gives a rats #### about my psychological rant, "I" as a seahawk fan would rather have Jones and "any" "bright future back" larger than MoMo (insert photo of Lamont here), as opposed to Alexander, but no Jones. I think Shaun feels the same way too.P.S. Thanks Shaun, you have been a treat for the city.

 
Seahawks are forced to take the "consensus" top 8-12 pick with their 17th pick, (dont quote pick#, this is from memory), sadly for Holmgren this turns out to be the Alabama Running Back Shaun Alexander. The "move" to protect himself from allowing the rival Chiefs to get the back they covet so low in the draft was the one of the main reasons for the "great draft day" by GM/HC Homgren. The following pick goes to KC, no top tier back on the board, Holmgren's move is labeled brilliant.
I'm not buying this story.First of all, Detroit was drafting in between Seattle and Kansas City, and I definitely remember a quote from Bobby Ross that the Lions would have selected Alexander if there.Second, no one spends a first round pick on a player they can't use just to play keep away. There's 32 teams in the NFL. Always someone willing to trade up to grab a guy who's slipping.Third, Ahman Green was traded to Green Bay the night before the 2000 draft. He was in the dog house and not a part of Holmgren's plans. The Seahawks took Alexander because they wanted a eventual replacement for the aging Watters and they did not think Ahman was it.
 
The selection of Shaun Alexander has been responsible for the outcome of more fantasy points points than any other player since Draft Day 2000. Yeah, I know yer tinkin, whaaaa???????Taking you back to Draft Day 2000, there was one position the Seahawks were not considering with a top 2 pick. The Running Back position was not lacking what clearly the other departments were with Ricky Watters coming off a normal top 20 producing fantasy year, and at backup, Ahman Green. Kitna w/B Huard as the backup at QB for the "2nd year removed from Favre QB God". You think he likes that little arrangement????The Seahawks and Chiefs finished the 1999 season at 9-7, tied for best AFC West record. The running back starved Chiefs (anders, richardson, cloud come to mind) were picking right behind the Seahawks, and were clearly in need of a RB with their #1 pick. Seahawks are forced to take the "consensus" top 8-12 pick with their 17th pick, (dont quote pick#, this is from memory), sadly for Holmgren this turns out to be the Alabama Running Back Shaun Alexander. The "move" to protect himself from allowing the rival Chiefs to get the back they covet so low in the draft was the one of the main reasons for the "great draft day" by GM/HC Homgren. The following pick goes to KC, no top tier back on the board, Holmgren's move is labeled brilliant.Such a subtle move paved the way for Priest Holmes to be traded to the Chiefs. If Priest would have gone to any team but KC, "I" firmly believe he would not have been the back he was. His extra ordinary skills have been used to maximum benefit. This clearly also paved the way for Ahman Green's move to Green Bay!!This being said, the combination of Shaun Alexander, Ahman Green and Priest Holmes total stats could be viewed as simply the domino effect of one player being added to the mix, not worth adding hasselbeck/kitna #'s to the equation, as that really proves my point LOL.That being said who gives a rats #### about my psychological rant, "I" as a seahawk fan would rather have Jones and "any" "bright future back" larger than MoMo (insert photo of Lamont here), as opposed to Alexander, but no Jones. I think Shaun feels the same way too.P.S. Thanks Shaun, you have been a treat for the city.
And if Johnson Vermiel stays retired your post wouldn't of happened. :P No harm intended just thought it was funny.
 
I really hope that the Seahawks use up their entire cap signing Alexander, Hass, and Jones. Then, I hope someone in the Vikings organization grows a brain and steals Okeafor and Ken Lucas from them.
The word ion the street says Lucas is higher on their list than Alexander.
 
I really hope that the Seahawks use up their entire cap signing Alexander, Hass, and Jones. Then, I hope someone in the Vikings organization grows a brain and steals Okeafor and Ken Lucas from them.
The word ion the street says Lucas is higher on their list than Alexander.
Just wishful thinking on my part, but you raise an interesting point. Clayton suggests that there are several other players which are of a higher priority than Alexander. So I would guess that the list would look something like this.1. Jones2. Hass3. Okeafor4. Lucas 5. Alexander
 
I missed this article earlier but here it is:

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Comme...spins020305.htm

Feb. 3, 2005

Is Alexander a great free-agent pickup?

ProFootballWeekly.com asks associate editor Jeff Reynolds for his thoughts on the hottest topics in the NFL.

Scouts have mixed feelings about breaking bank to sign RB Alexander

If the game is about production, there is no doubt that Seahawks RB Shaun Alexander is one of the best running backs in the NFL. Alexander ran for 1,696 yards last season, averaged 1,406 rushing yards in four years as the Seattle starter and has scored 72 career touchdowns. Alexander, set to become an unrestricted free agent on March 2, is the source of much front-office debate in Seattle and beyond.

PFW: What is there to debate about Alexander?

Reynolds: He’s a fine running back with decent hands who fits the West Coast offense. Alexander is recognized as a goal-line runner but at 5-11, 225, he shows less toughness in converting critical short-yardage situations than scouts would like. In December, one scout described Alexander as “an athlete not a running back. You see some tough runs, he’ll lower his shoulder. It’s not that he fears contact. But I don’t like that he can’t get the tough yards.”

Often, the Seahawks used FB Mack Strong as an I-back in some short-yardage situations, like 3rd-and-2 or less. Alexander, according to STATS, Inc., was third in the NFL in “stuffs,” which is being stopped when needing two or fewer yards. But Alexander was also third in the NFL in rushing first downs with 77, behind Curtis Martin and Corey Dillon. There is a thought that Alexander isn’t built to last and won’t hold up as well as Martin has. But others say Alexander just needs the right situation to be considered among the best in the NFL.

Alexander thrived in the second half of games, gaining 5.2 yards per carry in the regular season after halftime. In a division that didn’t have a rushing defense in the top 19, Alexander made his hay against many lesser opponents. Against Atlanta (19 carries, 80 yards), New England (16-77), Tampa Bay (17-45) and Buffalo (13-39), he was ordinary.

Arizona, Miami and Cincinnati might have interest in Alexander according to reports. But in an offseason where the position is well stocked with options, both in free agency and the draft, don’t expect any of those teams to give Alexander a contract in the neighborhood of the $50.5-million deal Clinton Portis signed with Washington or the $60-million deal LaDainian Tomlinson grabbed from San Diego.

 
Arizona, Miami and Cincinnati might have interest in Alexander according to reports.
How many RBs do they need?
Well, considering Rudi is probably gone...Personally, I doubt Cinci happens, as if they were not to resign Rudi, it would be because they want to go with Perry. Why pay someone else more? It just doesn't add up IMO.

They'd draft someone, or sign a cheaper player, but not the premier (or 2nd to Edge) FA.

 
Arizona, Miami and Cincinnati might have interest in Alexander according to reports.
How many RBs do they need?
Well, considering Rudi is probably gone...Personally, I doubt Cinci happens, as if they were not to resign Rudi, it would be because they want to go with Perry. Why pay someone else more? It just doesn't add up IMO.

They'd draft someone, or sign a cheaper player, but not the premier (or 2nd to Edge) FA.
Especially considering Cinny does not want to pay top dollar for a RB. Perhaps they are still soured a bit by Dillon?
 
Arizona, Miami and Cincinnati might have interest in Alexander according to reports.
How many RBs do they need?
Well, considering Rudi is probably gone...Personally, I doubt Cinci happens, as if they were not to resign Rudi, it would be because they want to go with Perry. Why pay someone else more? It just doesn't add up IMO.

They'd draft someone, or sign a cheaper player, but not the premier (or 2nd to Edge) FA.
Especially considering Cinny does not want to pay top dollar for a RB. Perhaps they are still soured a bit by Dillon?
I'm not sure how much the Dillon aspect plays into it, but I agree that it's doubtful that Cincy refuses to ante up for Rudi, and then ponies up even more money for Alexander.Granted, Alexander is an even more proven entity than Rudi, but it seems like Cincy doesn't want to pay a boat load for its RB, especially when it already has a top dollar QB and WR.

 

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