If you're talking about me, then how did I change the subject? My entire post was about Graham and how he acts nothing like Sherman. I read the link, does it mention anything about Graham acting tough? I'm sure it was case of him warming up and getting to close to the Seahawks and their big mouths, so a bunch of jawing happened. It's what Seattle does. A bunch of undisciplined punks.
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chinawildman
Footballguy
And so I ask you as a personal question, at what point is entertainment no longer worth the lack of integrity? Everybody has a point where they draw the line, and unsurprisingly that line is different for each individual.
Maybe my idea of entertainment is for players who catch a TD on sherman to take out a Sherman bobble head after the game and wipe their ### with it and set it on fire all the while screaming "I BURNED YOU!"
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I was just providing you with the incident being referred to. I don't disagree about most of what you say here about Sherman but there's a big difference in the attention given a freak athlete, chain moving, TD reception leading fantasy gold player like Graham vs a guy who QBs just stay away from most of the time so his in-game profile is decidedly lower than of Graham's. But I'm not arguing against the point made about Graham not calling attention to himself, just showing that it's not a straight apples to apples comparison. Sherm could very easily call attention to himself to make up for the disparity without acting like a jackhole in the process.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
So, no, you didn't read it I guess.
Neofight
Footballguy
The only thing that does that is winning. Whining doesn't do ####.
RBM
Footballguy
The batter can always charge the mound. Trash talk is reserved for ####### (rhymes with wusses)
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
So many things are over scrutinized in the NFL due to the internet and social media. Sports in general is a different beast than in years past. It is difficult trying to compare what Sherman did in comparison to another job, another sports player etc. If you look at what he did, it is now safe to see he made a mistake. His coach, and now himself have admitted so. He took away from the team and the game by making an idiotic remark. Now the only thing debateable is just how dumb was it. Those defending him on here are saying who cares what he said and made excuses as to why he did it. Yet, all of those excuses have been proven wrong by Pete Carroll (you know his coach) who admitted it should not have been handelled as such and by Sherman who also said he handelled it poorly.
There are plenty of people on here that have went too far and called him out as being nothing but a thug. I don't think he is a thug but I think he is a consistent line crosser. I tell my students to educate themselves on situations before making any type of comment about someone or something. This situation with Sherman is not isolated and he crossed the line yet again which is not his first time. Sherman may not be all bad, but it is clear to most that he crosses the line too much. Where there is smoke there is usually fire and Sherman is often found where there is smoke.
I don't find it entertianing to hear another player bad mouth another player no matter how heated the moment is. It was nice of Carroll and Sherman to have apologized for this mistake. Trash talk does not need to carry over into the media and into public display.
Since many on here keep on sharing hypothetical situations I will share one as well. Many on here are saying Sherman is doing a good job of being entertaining and making himself a lot of money. Sherman is going to be a multi millionare regardless. I don't know why people feel the need to defend Sherman as if he is going to be struggling for cash anytime soon. You know what some might find highly entertaining and could also make Sherman a lot of money? Sherman could give inside info into the Seahawks dressing room. He could share gossip about who is cheating on their wives, and who is not studying properly and who is disliked etc. Or for that matter it would not even have to be the Seattle locker room. He could share info about others across the league and do a reality show. Some would find that very entertaining but would it be right? Most would say if he did that he would have crossed a line.
I think those that are defending him are failing to see that he did cross a line. He apologized and hopefully he does not continue to cross the line going forward: the end.
There are plenty of people on here that have went too far and called him out as being nothing but a thug. I don't think he is a thug but I think he is a consistent line crosser. I tell my students to educate themselves on situations before making any type of comment about someone or something. This situation with Sherman is not isolated and he crossed the line yet again which is not his first time. Sherman may not be all bad, but it is clear to most that he crosses the line too much. Where there is smoke there is usually fire and Sherman is often found where there is smoke.
I don't find it entertianing to hear another player bad mouth another player no matter how heated the moment is. It was nice of Carroll and Sherman to have apologized for this mistake. Trash talk does not need to carry over into the media and into public display.
Since many on here keep on sharing hypothetical situations I will share one as well. Many on here are saying Sherman is doing a good job of being entertaining and making himself a lot of money. Sherman is going to be a multi millionare regardless. I don't know why people feel the need to defend Sherman as if he is going to be struggling for cash anytime soon. You know what some might find highly entertaining and could also make Sherman a lot of money? Sherman could give inside info into the Seahawks dressing room. He could share gossip about who is cheating on their wives, and who is not studying properly and who is disliked etc. Or for that matter it would not even have to be the Seattle locker room. He could share info about others across the league and do a reality show. Some would find that very entertaining but would it be right? Most would say if he did that he would have crossed a line.
I think those that are defending him are failing to see that he did cross a line. He apologized and hopefully he does not continue to cross the line going forward: the end.
devouredbychaos
Footballguy
He's not even that great. Take away the adderall and he's a below average player.
BaBastage
Footballguy
Manning and his drunk kicker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GILXUJa2l1wBigboy10182000 said:
Apples and oranges; Manning was responding to someone asking about Mike Vanderjagt's comments, which Manning did fairly calmly, with regret, and even called him a "good kicker". Hilarious to even put it on par with the Sherman rant.
I need more information on the Jeff Saturday thing though, all I could find was footage of them having a sideline argument, which is different than an interview rant.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
I thought it was great!!!
Refreshing to have someone speak their mind instead of just spewing football clichés.
Refreshing to have someone speak their mind instead of just spewing football clichés.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Yep. A lot of the same people ripping him are the same people who bash other players for speaking the company line. Can't win with lotta folks.
Sherman=winning
False Start
Footballguy
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Thanks. If it was another player on another team I would enjoy that as well. The OG of trash talk is linked below....love them. Wish it happened more often. At some point society decided it was "wrong". Maybe I just enjoy "wrong"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsAC4lhbE0g
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
I can't copy the CNN interview and paste the article in here for some reason but it is done in 5 mins in length. He did pretty good with the interview in his apology and said he should not have done what he did. Props have to be given for him apologizing yet again.
Total Bullsh!t. If he was a 49er, you'd be crying like a little girl about him.Thanks. If it was another player on another team I would enjoy that as well. The OG of trash talk is linked below....love them. Wish it happened more often. At some point society decided it was "wrong". Maybe I just enjoy "wrong"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsAC4lhbE0g
In the one I heard, he gave a very generic 'I shouldn't have said the things I said' apology. Nothing specific. Not even sure if he knew what he was apologizing for.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Although a little scripted, he had to apologize on national TV. He was saying he should not have taken away from the team and attack Crabtree the way he did. Good enough for me. I also think he will continue to trash talk a lot in games (which is fine by me) but I'm hoping it does carry over into the media as what happened there.
You think Sherman is stealing all the press time this week, just wait till next. This next week is like a wet dream for a publicity hog like Sherman. You will get a few professional sound bites from Peyton Manning, and a week's worth of Richard Sherman trying to persuade everyone to think he's the best cornerback who's ever played the game. 
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uke:Dinkle Heimer
Footballguy
People believe what they want to believe. Thanks for the laughs broYou think Sherman is stealing all the press time this week, just wait till next. This next week is like a wet dream for a publicity hog like Sherman. You will get a few professional sound bites from Peyton Manning, and a week's worth of Richard Sherman trying to persuade everyone to think he's the best cornerback who's ever played the game.
What was funny in that post? That Manning will act professionally? That Sherman is a publicity hog? That Sherman is the only player in the NFL who thinks he needs to campaign to be voted best at his position? I'm glad the truth is so funny to you.People believe what they want to believe. Thanks for the laughs broYou think Sherman is stealing all the press time this week, just wait till next. This next week is like a wet dream for a publicity hog like Sherman. You will get a few professional sound bites from Peyton Manning, and a week's worth of Richard Sherman trying to persuade everyone to think he's the best cornerback who's ever played the game.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
You could easily argue there are 2 better TEs in the league RIGHT NOW (Gronk and Davis). If Davis played for the Saints, I believe he'd put up Graham numbers AND be the blocker Graham isn't. Gronk, when healthy, is also at least comparable, if not better all-around. There is no large gap between Graham and the rest of the elite TEs.
He's a great, oversized WR. Not denying his talent or worth AT ALL, just don't think he's in some class by himself. He's the same as Sherman, among the best at his position.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
By the time he gets to Gate's numbers, there will be 6 guy in the league just like him.
Hoss Style
Footballguy
Threads like these are great for weeding out those who you shouldn't attempt to have discussions with.
It's like watching game tape of halfwits.
It's like watching game tape of halfwits.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
yeah, I hate that 100x more than when someone is genuinely fired up and lacing into a guy.
No one ever said you need to act professional to BE professional.............in the NFL. Though he does act professional the majority of the time.
Either way, bout time a player did an interview that didnt make me want to jump out the window from boredom.
Threads and responses like these are why 99% of the athletes never say anything that they actually think or feel.
cusefan115
Footballguy
I'd agree but in his interview on SportsCenter he laid a lot of the blame on the media. Doesn't really make sense to apologize if you don't believe in it.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
People apologize for stuff all the time that they don't need to. He apologized for doing it, but certainly isn't apologizing to who he did it to.
Several days later, LOVE it. Really to start it, he went up to Crabbs right after the play and talked a little smack. Crabbs couldnt handle it and put his hand on Sherman's face and shoved him away........................I don't think you see the same interview had Crabbs not done that.
Premier
Footballguy
Deadspin has the audio. At the end Sherman went to Crabtree and said hell of a game hell of a game and Crabtree smacked him.
Lot of stupid people here.
http://deadspin.com/sherman-crabtree-watch-and-listen-to-their-micd-up-hi-1507040069?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
Lot of stupid people here.
http://deadspin.com/sherman-crabtree-watch-and-listen-to-their-micd-up-hi-1507040069?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
ghostguy123
Footballguy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q2ny2fpzVc
That isn't the slightest bit an apology for what he did. In fact he sounded like he wasn't sorry one little bit for doing it, not should he be.
He is sorry that it took away from the discussion about the game some of his teammates played, but of course the media blows up over stupid stuff like this instead of actually discussing why they were there in the first place, which was for a football game.
Then again, I question whether the media even cares about these games anymore, or do they just care about juicy side stories.
That isn't the slightest bit an apology for what he did. In fact he sounded like he wasn't sorry one little bit for doing it, not should he be.
He is sorry that it took away from the discussion about the game some of his teammates played, but of course the media blows up over stupid stuff like this instead of actually discussing why they were there in the first place, which was for a football game.
Then again, I question whether the media even cares about these games anymore, or do they just care about juicy side stories.
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
seahawk 17
Footballguy
I don't think Sherman's rant was a big deal, and I don't think Crabtree's shove was either.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
Do you believe that if SF won the game that Sherman would be going up to Crabtree to shake his hand and tell him hell of a game hell of a game?
Chaka
Footballguy
Media deserves a lot of credit for stuff like this. Sensationalization makes money and news is about profit not about delivering facts.
Chaka
Footballguy
How/why is that relevant? Didn't it sound like a sincere gesture by Sherman? Would Sherman have made that rant if Crabtree had lost like the man that most are decrying Sherman for not being? He didn't, he was quite disrespectful in the face of a sincere gesture of good sportsmanship. Isn't Crabtree in some way responsible for what happened afterwards?
Shouldn't Crabtree have told Sherman that it was a hell of a game and congratulate him like a respectful man should do? I haven't jumped into this thread until now but I think the standard the anti-Sherman crowd has been applying in here should be applied to Crabtree as well. After listening to that audio for them to not get on Crabtree for his poor sportsmanship would be nothing short of hypocritical.
So let's hear it.
Chaka
Footballguy
Really? If Crabtree had acted like the mature, respectful sportsman that everyone wants to see (allegedly) then I think it is reasonable to suggest that Sherman's choke gesture and rant would have never occurred. Sherman tried to be the respectful sportsman everyone in here says he isn't, does he deserve no credit for that?
Hoss Style
Footballguy
You're stretching a bit here, buddy.
I have no idea what went on out there, but to say that Crabtree caused Sherman to go off and give the "choke sign" to a totally different player is not really fair.
Whether or not you argee with Sherman and his actions, I don't think blaming Crabtree for it is applicable.
I like what Tony Dungy said about the situation in an interview earlier. Tony oozes class and is always respectful after a win or a loss. He surprised a lot of people with what he said, though. He said he would have had no problem with Sherman's post game interview if he were his coach.
He then clarified that players are different, and if Sherman's backing up his words then he has a right to act how he wants in the postgame interview. Dungy also went on to say that he would have spoken to him about calling another player out and calling him a "sorry player". There's no need for that.
Rodney Harrison (who's been on both ends of the spectrum) said he had no problem with Sherman's rant, either, but followed up with that fact that you don't run up to an opposing player seconds after defeating them (and knowing there's bad blood) and try to talk to him. Just like Sherman probably needed a few more minutes to cool down, Crabtree obviously needed the same. I think it's fair to both players to say they were both still heated from the play seconds before.
It's just so interesting that there are so many people all the way to the left or right of what happened. There's a middle ground here that seems more fair than just "right" or "wrong".
I tend to agree with what Rodney Harrison said about Sherman, stating that when you think you are at the top of your game, and you start to talk about it - "the game has a way of humbling you. It always comes back to get you", and he just smiled.
I think Crabtree got a dose of it Sunday (if he was indeed talking smack), and Sherman will get his at some point.
Neither of them are thugs. Neither of them are self-effacing. They are just young NFL players.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
Then start a Crabtree is a tool thread. I'm not saying Crabtree was a saint here. But I don't believe Sherman was being sincere either. You don't run up to a player with that seconds after the biggest play that just lost the game. Sherman's a smart guy. He knows that. And I suppose Sherman was miming to Kapernick good game when he was making the choking sign.How/why is that relevant? Didn't it sound like a sincere gesture by Sherman? Would Sherman have made that rant if Crabtree had lost like the man that most are decrying Sherman for not being? He didn't, he was quite disrespectful in the face of a sincere gesture of good sportsmanship. Isn't Crabtree in some way responsible for what happened afterwards?
Shouldn't Crabtree have told Sherman that it was a hell of a game and congratulate him like a respectful man should do? I haven't jumped into this thread until now but I think the standard the anti-Sherman crowd has been applying in here should be applied to Crabtree as well. After listening to that audio for them to not get on Crabtree for his poor sportsmanship would be nothing short of hypocritical.
So let's hear it.
False Start
Footballguy
We get it from all Sherman supporters and Seahawk fans, he is the best person ever and all the things he does is perfect. Even though there are videos out there of some people who have had confrontations with him, its everyone else fault.
Its Adderalls fault, Roddy Whites fault, Crabtrees fault, Williams fault, Webbs fault, Pattersons fault and even Skip Bayless fault. Sherman has done nothing wrong, so get this completely distorted opinion that Sherman is a tool thread out of here. If I saw a person act like he did on the street I would walk up to him and shake his hand for being the best person ever. Sure I would have to push all of the woman out of the way to get to an autograph of a man who is so respectful towards others.
Its Adderalls fault, Roddy Whites fault, Crabtrees fault, Williams fault, Webbs fault, Pattersons fault and even Skip Bayless fault. Sherman has done nothing wrong, so get this completely distorted opinion that Sherman is a tool thread out of here. If I saw a person act like he did on the street I would walk up to him and shake his hand for being the best person ever. Sure I would have to push all of the woman out of the way to get to an autograph of a man who is so respectful towards others.
