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Cjw_55106
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In Sherman’s view, calling him a "thug" is a subtle way to communicate another racist label.
“The only reason it bothers me is because it seems like it’s the accepted way of calling somebody the n-word nowadays,” Sherman said. “It’s like everyone else said the n-word, and then they say thug and that’s fine. That’s where it kind of takes me back. It’s kind of disappointing because they know. What’s the definition of a thug? Really?”
I guess now is as good a time as any to play the race card. Im pretty sure plenty of people used the term 'thug' back when the Ritchie Incognito story was going around. Thug describes a type of person, not the color of a person.
“The only reason it bothers me is because it seems like it’s the accepted way of calling somebody the n-word nowadays,” Sherman said. “It’s like everyone else said the n-word, and then they say thug and that’s fine. That’s where it kind of takes me back. It’s kind of disappointing because they know. What’s the definition of a thug? Really?”
I guess now is as good a time as any to play the race card. Im pretty sure plenty of people used the term 'thug' back when the Ritchie Incognito story was going around. Thug describes a type of person, not the color of a person.
False Start
Footballguy
Someone should tell Sherman that people who act like thugs are called thugs. But like you said, good of time as any to play the race card.In Sherman’s view, calling him a "thug" is a subtle way to communicate another racist label.
“The only reason it bothers me is because it seems like it’s the accepted way of calling somebody the n-word nowadays,” Sherman said. “It’s like everyone else said the n-word, and then they say thug and that’s fine. That’s where it kind of takes me back. It’s kind of disappointing because they know. What’s the definition of a thug? Really?”
I guess now is as good a time as any to play the race card. Im pretty sure plenty of people used the term 'thug' back when the Ritchie Incognito story was going around. Thug describes a type of person, not the color of a person.
Incognito is actually a thug because we has been arrested many times and violated NFL policies a few times. Two things that Sherman hasn't been.
If "thug" is a type of person then like he mentioned guys like JJ Watt and Phillip Rivers are because they love to talk crap durign a game. And those 5 or 6 players in the Calgary/Vancouver game were "thugs" as well.
If "thug" is a type of person then like he mentioned guys like JJ Watt and Phillip Rivers are because they love to talk crap durign a game. And those 5 or 6 players in the Calgary/Vancouver game were "thugs" as well.
Oh?Someone should tell Sherman that people who act like thugs are called thugs. But like you said, good of time as any to play the race card.In Sherman’s view, calling him a "thug" is a subtle way to communicate another racist label.
“The only reason it bothers me is because it seems like it’s the accepted way of calling somebody the n-word nowadays,” Sherman said. “It’s like everyone else said the n-word, and then they say thug and that’s fine. That’s where it kind of takes me back. It’s kind of disappointing because they know. What’s the definition of a thug? Really?”
I guess now is as good a time as any to play the race card. Im pretty sure plenty of people used the term 'thug' back when the Ritchie Incognito story was going around. Thug describes a type of person, not the color of a person.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/here-s-why-seahawks--richard-sherman-was-right-in-taking-offense-to-being-called-a-thug-233112814-nfl.html
That word is "thug."
"It seems like the accepted way of calling someone the n-word," Sherman said.
Richard Sherman will be a media attraction during Super Bowl week. (AP)
He might not be exactly right, but he's close enough. Too often "thug" is a cleaner version of a racial epithet, directed at African-Americans (sometimes by other African-Americans). That word was attached to Sherman almost immediately after he called out 49ers receiver Michael Crabtree following his game-saving play in the Seahawks' 23-17 victory over San Francisco.
By contrast, Tom Brady left the field screaming at a referee after a controversial call in a loss to the Carolina Panthers in December. Brady didn't slow down to congratulate anyone on the other team. He could be heard using more offensive language than Sherman did on Sunday.
Not many called Brady a thug.
Todem
Footballguy
It's funny my initial retain was whoa.......easy there kid....handle yourself with a little more tact and class......then after 20-30 minutes just thinking about what happened....I realized this kid just made the biggest play of his life 30 seconds prior to being pulled to the sideline, crowd going insane....and now seeing Crabtree shoved him after he went to shake hands and say good game.
Cornerbacks play on an island (as do WR's) and they have to have the biggest ego's and highest level of confidence to survive in the league. They are going to get burned plenty even the top CB's.
What he said was not vulgar, it was raw, unadulterated emotion. That is exactly what the media wants, that is exactly what people want, yet when they don't like what they hear or how it comes out...soooooo quick to judge.
And I was guilty of that too.
I totally retract my initial reaction to this. The kid was on fire and rightfully so. It was great stuff in retrospect.
And he is a fantastic player and teammate. He is far from a thug with his response. That was a pumped up world class CB playing at the highest level in the NFL.
Thug? Give me a break. That word is thrown around with reckless abandon. Sherman is far from a thug. He is a highly confident and intelligent young man.
Cornerbacks play on an island (as do WR's) and they have to have the biggest ego's and highest level of confidence to survive in the league. They are going to get burned plenty even the top CB's.
What he said was not vulgar, it was raw, unadulterated emotion. That is exactly what the media wants, that is exactly what people want, yet when they don't like what they hear or how it comes out...soooooo quick to judge.
And I was guilty of that too.
I totally retract my initial reaction to this. The kid was on fire and rightfully so. It was great stuff in retrospect.
And he is a fantastic player and teammate. He is far from a thug with his response. That was a pumped up world class CB playing at the highest level in the NFL.
Thug? Give me a break. That word is thrown around with reckless abandon. Sherman is far from a thug. He is a highly confident and intelligent young man.
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cusefan115
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This is nuts. Sherman was already acting in an immature way by taunting Crabtree after the last play. There was no reason to get up in an opposing players face just as the game as ending. Especially since, as he put it, he and Crabtree had beef. Sherman is obviously not very in control of his emotions.
cusefan115
Footballguy
That's fine. I'm not denigrating Sherman for getting his last licks in. But to blame Crabtree for the rant....please. And then to play the race card? He did something controversial, there is going to be backlash. Move on. Jay Cutler has gotten worse backlash, as has Phil Rivers.
Todem
Footballguy
Yeah i am not fond of this race card bs now......but as far as what all this uproar about a post game rant that imo in retrospect was no big deal.....it's comical and oh so predictable in our 24/7 media hyperboyle society we have become.
That is more disgusting and disturbing to me with each passing day. It is completely out of control and far more offending than anything Sherman said last Sunday.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I don't recall if anyone called him a thug...but there was a mutli paged thread about him...there were several posts about it in the game thread and people saying he should be fined and suspended.Oh?Someone should tell Sherman that people who act like thugs are called thugs. But like you said, good of time as any to play the race card.In Sherman’s view, calling him a "thug" is a subtle way to communicate another racist label.
“The only reason it bothers me is because it seems like it’s the accepted way of calling somebody the n-word nowadays,” Sherman said. “It’s like everyone else said the n-word, and then they say thug and that’s fine. That’s where it kind of takes me back. It’s kind of disappointing because they know. What’s the definition of a thug? Really?”
I guess now is as good a time as any to play the race card. Im pretty sure plenty of people used the term 'thug' back when the Ritchie Incognito story was going around. Thug describes a type of person, not the color of a person.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/here-s-why-seahawks--richard-sherman-was-right-in-taking-offense-to-being-called-a-thug-233112814-nfl.html
That word is "thug."
"It seems like the accepted way of calling someone the n-word," Sherman said.
Richard Sherman will be a media attraction during Super Bowl week. (AP)
He might not be exactly right, but he's close enough. Too often "thug" is a cleaner version of a racial epithet, directed at African-Americans (sometimes by other African-Americans). That word was attached to Sherman almost immediately after he called out 49ers receiver Michael Crabtree following his game-saving play in the Seahawks' 23-17 victory over San Francisco.
By contrast, Tom Brady left the field screaming at a referee after a controversial call in a loss to the Carolina Panthers in December. Brady didn't slow down to congratulate anyone on the other team. He could be heard using more offensive language than Sherman did on Sunday.
Not many called Brady a thug.
It was also a classless act.
That said, I don't think Sherman is a thug anyway. But its not a racial slur at all.
Just a dumb statement.
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cusefan115
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Right, the media hyperbole is a result of too many channels with not enough content. It leads to over coverage of everything imo. I don't think what he said was overly offensive. It was more the anger with which he said it that was somewhat shocking.
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Hooper31
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Hang 10
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We already knew that Sherman sarcastically slapped Crabtree on the ### and told him good game. Are the Sherman defenders trying to say he was being genuine now??
So which is it? Was Sherman really trying to be a good sport or was his taunting justified because Crabtree tried to fight him at a charity event this summer? Or does it even matter because he went to Stanford?
So which is it? Was Sherman really trying to be a good sport or was his taunting justified because Crabtree tried to fight him at a charity event this summer? Or does it even matter because he went to Stanford?
drummer
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Bigboy10182000
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You are jusy the gift that keeps on giving. If nothing else you are persistent as F.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Don't forget it was just in the heat of the moment right after the game...but Crabtree is crap because in the heat of the moment right after the play he shoved a guy who he felt was not being sincere.We already knew that Sherman sarcastically slapped Crabtree on the ### and told him good game. Are the Sherman defenders trying to say he was being genuine now??
So which is it? Was Sherman really trying to be a good sport or was his taunting justified because Crabtree tried to fight him at a charity event this summer? Or does it even matter because he went to Stanford?
Bigboy10182000
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Bigboy10182000
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Hang 10
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Of course it's that thug Crabtree's fault, he didn't even go to Stanford!Don't forget it was just in the heat of the moment right after the game...but Crabtree is crap because in the heat of the moment right after the play he shoved a guy who he felt was not being sincere.We already knew that Sherman sarcastically slapped Crabtree on the ### and told him good game. Are the Sherman defenders trying to say he was being genuine now??
So which is it? Was Sherman really trying to be a good sport or was his taunting justified because Crabtree tried to fight him at a charity event this summer? Or does it even matter because he went to Stanford?
False Start
Footballguy
So if Richard Sherman himself says his comments are misdirected and immature while having to apologize for the incident, what does that say about the people defending him? I would say that puts them in a bad spot for looking really really bad.Soooo....after watching the video...who started what again?
Bigboy10182000
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Bigboy10182000
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I would say that you were justSo if Richard Sherman himself says his comments are misdirected and immature while having to apologize for the incident, what does that say about the people defending him? I would say that puts them in a bad spot for looking really really bad.Soooo....after watching the video...who started what again?
False Start
Footballguy
I'll let your comments speak for themselves. Name calling and throwing insults in a thread about a guy where "tool" is in the title, that is ironic a bit. Now that you had to sink to a level I will not go, enjoy the weather.I would say that you were justSo if Richard Sherman himself says his comments are misdirected and immature while having to apologize for the incident, what does that say about the people defending him? I would say that puts them in a bad spot for looking really really bad.Soooo....after watching the video...who started what again?born yesterday oras dumb as a bag of hammers if you dont know why athletes/ public figures apologize nowadays.
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It's called taking the high ground. Sherman not only stooped to Crabtree's level, he went a couple of notches further and then showed absolutely no remorse until he saw what a doosh it made him look like.
Pipes
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I can't believe I'm responding to you but Sherman appologized so people would move on from this. Listen to his appology...he didn't even say Crabtree's name. He's not sorry for what he said nor should he be.So if Richard Sherman himself says his comments are misdirected and immature while having to apologize for the incident, what does that say about the people defending him? I would say that puts them in a bad spot for looking really really bad.Soooo....after watching the video...who started what again?
On a completely unrelated matter as far as thug being the new "N word" Sherman is far from the only black person to feel this way and as a white male I really can't argue with him. When I think about who is often called a thug 95% of the time it's a black man so Sherman may have a point.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Bingo. People have a preconcieved notion on what Sherman is and they will not let facts stand in their way.
On a side note, what is it about SF and handshakes? Harabaugh had his moment--Sherman tries to shake Crabtree's hand at Fitzgerald's charity event and Crabtree wants to fight him--Sherman offers his hand again in a polite way and is smacked in the face. This is something they need to work on.
Hang 10
Footballguy
So let's get this straight...
So Crabtree and Sherman have this ongoing feud dating back to the summer when Crabtree tried to fight Sherman because **** wanted to shake Michael's hand at a charity event. Fast forward to the NFC title game where they are trash talking the entire game and Sherman makes a play that likely ends the game. Sherman sprints across the endzone to catch up to Crabtree to slap him on the ### and congratulate him. Now we are to believe that **** was being sincere and not trying to rub salt in the wound? I wonder why the official flagged Sherman for taunting if he was just trying to tell an opponent "helluva game"?
So Crabtree and Sherman have this ongoing feud dating back to the summer when Crabtree tried to fight Sherman because **** wanted to shake Michael's hand at a charity event. Fast forward to the NFC title game where they are trash talking the entire game and Sherman makes a play that likely ends the game. Sherman sprints across the endzone to catch up to Crabtree to slap him on the ### and congratulate him. Now we are to believe that **** was being sincere and not trying to rub salt in the wound? I wonder why the official flagged Sherman for taunting if he was just trying to tell an opponent "helluva game"?
Might have also had something to do with the choke gesture he was giving to Kaepernick. Yeah, Sherman is a classy guy. A lot to like about him.
MoveToSkypager
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MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
Hilarious that people bag on Sherman, when it was Crabtree that broke the seal on being a d-bag here.
Hang 10
Footballguy
Oh, I see! He was trying to congratulate Crabtree but taunt his QB. Sure that makes sense.Might have also had something to do with the choke gesture he was giving to Kaepernick. Yeah, Sherman is a classy guy. A lot to like about him.
Chaka
Footballguy
You listened to the audio and drew the conclusion that he was being sarcastic?We already knew that Sherman sarcastically slapped Crabtree on the ### and told him good game. Are the Sherman defenders trying to say he was being genuine now??
So which is it? Was Sherman really trying to be a good sport or was his taunting justified because Crabtree tried to fight him at a charity event this summer? Or does it even matter because he went to Stanford?
Fishing, shtick or you are simply obtuse.
Chaka
Footballguy
Why are you giving Crabtree a free pass?Don't forget it was just in the heat of the moment right after the game...but Crabtree is crap because in the heat of the moment right after the play he shoved a guy who he felt was not being sincere.We already knew that Sherman sarcastically slapped Crabtree on the ### and told him good game. Are the Sherman defenders trying to say he was being genuine now??
So which is it? Was Sherman really trying to be a good sport or was his taunting justified because Crabtree tried to fight him at a charity event this summer? Or does it even matter because he went to Stanford?
Chaka
Footballguy
Did he really take it a couple notches further than shoving a player in the face?
Do you honestly think Sherman goes on that rant if Crabtree demonstrates mature and respectful sportsmanship by returning Sherman's gesture?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Im not.Why are you giving Crabtree a free pass?Don't forget it was just in the heat of the moment right after the game...but Crabtree is crap because in the heat of the moment right after the play he shoved a guy who he felt was not being sincere.We already knew that Sherman sarcastically slapped Crabtree on the ### and told him good game. Are the Sherman defenders trying to say he was being genuine now??
So which is it? Was Sherman really trying to be a good sport or was his taunting justified because Crabtree tried to fight him at a charity event this summer? Or does it even matter because he went to Stanford?
He is a doosh too.
Does not excuse Sherman's behavior.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Yes.
Based on his past behavior...and if all it took to make him a crazy dude making choke signs and yelling into an intverview about how great he is...he might want to seek psychiatric help.
Chaka
Footballguy
Choke gesture came after Crabtree pushed Sherman in the face.Oh, I see! He was trying to congratulate Crabtree but taunt his QB. Sure that makes sense.Might have also had something to do with the choke gesture he was giving to Kaepernick. Yeah, Sherman is a classy guy. A lot to like about him.
Just sayin'.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
RBM
Footballguy
Hang 10
Footballguy
So you just ignored the entire context of his comments and thought he was being sincere?You listened to the audio and drew the conclusion that he was being sarcastic?We already knew that Sherman sarcastically slapped Crabtree on the ### and told him good game. Are the Sherman defenders trying to say he was being genuine now??
So which is it? Was Sherman really trying to be a good sport or was his taunting justified because Crabtree tried to fight him at a charity event this summer? Or does it even matter because he went to Stanford?
Fishing, shtick or you are simply obtuse.
FF Wiseguy
Footballguy
IMO, there's no doubt he was not being sincere. Players rarely give these sort of congratulations while the game is going on (aside from victory formation snaps). Sometimes a player will congratulate an opponent after a good hit or a good play, but it's always the player on the losing end of the hit/play that gives the kudos, for obvious reasons.
Even if Sherman was trying to be sincere, it's pretty obvious that Crabtree would not be receptive to that kind of interaction with a guy he hates while walking off the field from the game-losing play. I'm a Sherman defender (in general, not every action he takes), but he deserved to get shoved in the face, and I don't think any less of Crabtree for doing so.
Even if Sherman was trying to be sincere, it's pretty obvious that Crabtree would not be receptive to that kind of interaction with a guy he hates while walking off the field from the game-losing play. I'm a Sherman defender (in general, not every action he takes), but he deserved to get shoved in the face, and I don't think any less of Crabtree for doing so.
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cusefan115
Footballguy
I agree with this 100%. I have no problem with people defending Sherman (and his message), the vitriol he was getting it across with was more shocking to me. But to lay this whole thing at the feet of Crabtree's shove is obscene.FF Wiseguy said:
