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Shonn Greene, RB, New York Jets (1 Viewer)

Good points... I'm a Jets fan who has never Owned Greene and who has said stay away since he was in the league.

But, given the points above and given the lack of dependable RB's right now,hmmmm......... and has anyone noticed Greene Catching the ball?

Did anyone project Green for 50 catches?

Could be a decent target especially if you can steal him after a sub par game Vs the Ravens.

Up until this season Rex Ryan has said Balls just bounce off Greene - Now, he seems to be a part of the passing game.

 
Shonn Green is in a classic buy low situation right now. He is off to a disappointing start and facing the strong rush defense of the Ravens this week. If the Green owner in your league is freaking out you might want to shoot him an email. Here's why:-In the first four weeks Green will have faced three of the top six rush defenses in Dallas, Jacksonville and Baltimore. His numbers are disappointing but not completely disastrous. As of week 4 he will have faced rush defenses; 2, 5, 26, 6. He did put up 106 combined yards against the one weak defense he has faced. -Moving forward he faces rush defenses; 10, 16, 19, 24, 28, 10, 14, 28, 11, 28, 30, 15. Mangold should be back soon. And his biggest competition for touches is old for a RB and I think the Jets know they need to limit LTs touches if they want him to have anything left come playoff time.I'm not a big fan of Green's talent, but his situation is primed for a production turnaround. Some might think that the move is to wait one more week and get him after another bad outing against the Ravens. I disagree. It all depends on the panic level of the Green owner in you league but in general you buy at the darkest hour, when there is blood in the streets, not once the healing has started.
Agree with the idea that he has played good teams and it looks like it will be better going forward. But overall, even knowing Mangold will help when he returns, the team still has some linemen that aren't playing very well. Overall, the o-line is not as good as we all assumed it would be.But again, the opportunity is there and things are getting better but Greene does not look to be running well. I don't mean stats; I mean he is pedestrian in taking his shots through the line and does not seem to be decisive or really see the "next" move. He reminds me a lot of Jamal Lewis during those dark middle years where he just plodded and kind of went with the flow. JLEW could get you 13/39 (and usually salvage the day with a short TD), or he could get you 17/100 or he could get you 16/54..and none of those surprised us. Just very pedestrian.I think anyone who is still predicting big things for Greene might still be right only because there is a strong possibility that he will get more and more opportunity and the team will probably run more as the weather changes. But I don't think he will achieve a FF success like we commonly think of when we envision a bell cow back with 300+ carries (in short, I think he will underachieve relative to his opportunity).
 
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Shonn Green is in a classic buy low situation right now. He is off to a disappointing start and facing the strong rush defense of the Ravens this week. If the Green owner in your league is freaking out you might want to shoot him an email. Here's why:

-In the first four weeks Green will have faced three of the top six rush defenses in Dallas, Jacksonville and Baltimore. His numbers are disappointing but not completely disastrous. As of week 4 he will have faced rush defenses; 2, 5, 26, 6. He did put up 106 combined yards against the one weak defense he has faced.

-Moving forward he faces rush defenses; 10, 16, 19, 24, 28, 10, 14, 28, 11, 28, 30, 15. Mangold should be back soon. And his biggest competition for touches is old for a RB and I think the Jets know they need to limit LTs touches if they want him to have anything left come playoff time.

I'm not a big fan of Green's talent, but his situation is primed for a production turnaround. Some might think that the move is to wait one more week and get him after another bad outing against the Ravens. I disagree. It all depends on the panic level of the Green owner in you league but in general you buy at the darkest hour, when there is blood in the streets, not once the healing has started.
Agree with the idea that he has played good teams and it looks like it will be better going forward. But overall, even knowing Mangold will help when he returns, the team still has some linemen that aren't playing very well. Overall, the o-line is not as good as we all assumed it would be.But again, the opportunity is there and things are getting better but Greene does not look to be running well. I don't mean stats; I mean he is pedestrian in taking his shots through the line and does not seem to be decisive or really see the "next" move. He reminds me a lot of Jamal Lewis during those dark middle years where he just plodded and kind of went with the flow. JLEW could get you 13/39 (and usually salvage the day with a short TD), or he could get you 17/100 or he could get you 16/54..and none of those surprised us. Just very pedestrian.

I think anyone who is still predicting big things for Greene might still be right only because there is a strong possibility that he will get more and more opportunity and the team will probably run more as the weather changes. But I don't think he will achieve a FF success like we commonly think of when we envision a bell cow back with 300+ carries (in short, I think he will underachieve relative to his opportunity).
I think the ceiling is Cedric Benson type production. I don't expect Green to suddenly become a fantasy stud, but as long as he outproduces what you have to give up for him it's a good move.
 
Good points... I'm a Jets fan who has never Owned Greene and who has said stay away since he was in the league.

But, given the points above and given the lack of dependable RB's right now,hmmmm......... and has anyone noticed Greene Catching the ball?

Did anyone project Green for 50 catches?

Could be a decent target especially if you can steal him after a sub par game Vs the Ravens.

Up until this season Rex Ryan has said Balls just bounce off Greene - Now, he seems to be a part of the passing game.
10 targets and 10 catches so far. The 6 yards per catch needs to improve but it does appear that his hands aren't that bad.
 
Good points... I'm a Jets fan who has never Owned Greene and who has said stay away since he was in the league.

But, given the points above and given the lack of dependable RB's right now,hmmmm......... and has anyone noticed Greene Catching the ball?

Did anyone project Green for 50 catches?

Could be a decent target especially if you can steal him after a sub par game Vs the Ravens.

Up until this season Rex Ryan has said Balls just bounce off Greene - Now, he seems to be a part of the passing game.
10 targets and 10 catches so far. The 6 yards per catch needs to improve but it does appear that his hands aren't that bad.
I have always thought he COULD catch..not going to set the world on fire or do it as good as LT but COULD.The part of that whcich worries me though is that sometimes teams start doing these short passing games to backs not because it is by design but out of necessity. The Jets openly say they want to run you over like a garbage truck in an alley but more and more are finding them selves with their garbage truck on the field but needing to pass. Makes me think they would much rather have LT on the field if they PLANNED to throw but are finding themselves feeling they can't run and HAVE TO throw.

that kind of trend will either end up being that Greene will catch less as they improve running and that can be good for him. But if he keeps catching more and running less, I do not think we will see the production we hoped for from Greene.

 
I wouldn't put much faith long term in Greene as a pass catching back. McKnight and Powell are better receivers and will get more playing time if Jets continue to have trouble running the ball.

 
I own Greene in 2 leagues, and have been following the NYJ backfield situation.

I checked out a few Jets message boards over the past 2 weeks & it seems the majority of homers blame the O-line for the Jets rushing woes. They all seem to think the line will mesh once Mangold is back & start running the ball effectively. The coming of easier opponents adds to my optimism.

I've yet to need to rely on Greene much, but the grass certainly looks greener going forward when I will need him.

 
This guy sucks! Glad I didn't drink the Kool-aid 2 years in a row. I traded him in my dynasty league as part of a package for Charles and even though Charles is out for the year I wouldn't change a thing as Charles on IR carries more value then Greene right now in a dynasty league.

 
I own Greene in 2 leagues, and have been following the NYJ backfield situation.I checked out a few Jets message boards over the past 2 weeks & it seems the majority of homers blame the O-line for the Jets rushing woes. They all seem to think the line will mesh once Mangold is back & start running the ball effectively. The coming of easier opponents adds to my optimism.I've yet to need to rely on Greene much, but the grass certainly looks greener going forward when I will need him.
Not so sure that's all of it. I think it's a small piece of it, but he looks to have no burst. He seeks contact as opposed to break tackles, etc. I'm actually hoping they give McKnight or Powell some carries in coming weeks because the running game is brutal to watch right now. LT looks 1,000x better than Greene and he's lost a step.
 
I'm bailing.....dropping him for McMike for Gates replacement in a short bench 10 team basic league. Really disappointed but took numerous shots at RB2 with him Beanie and THT. So far not too promising.

 
I wouldn't put much faith long term in Greene as a pass catching back. McKnight and Powell are better receivers and will get more playing time if Jets continue to have trouble running the ball.
I wouldn't be so sure about this. I've seen a couple of shows on NFL Network where Rex Ryan was miked up during games this season, and I get the impression he really likes and believes in Shonn Greene. Admittedly I'm basing this on pretty limited info and possibly leaping to a faulty conclusion as a result, but I really do get that feeling based on what I saw. In fact, I was seriously contemplating picking up Powell, but after seeing the two clips, I quickly decided against it.

 
Greene is tough to project with all the uncertainty for the NYJ. Will Edwards and Holmes be back? That will dictate how much NYJ run the football. The main problem with Greene is that he's not a good receiver and Tomlinson is. I would suspect that Greene will get more carries with LT being more of a 3rd down back. And I suspect that one of Edwards/Holmes won't be back with NYJ, so the Jets will likely run it more.

260 car, 1115 yards, 8 TD

15 rec, 90 yds, 0 TD
heard Rex Ryan's message to the NYJ Fans this morning - hard to take him at his word,but the guy said the Jets plan to air it out more then in previous years..if that's the case, I would imagine LT becomes a bigger part of the Jets passing game, meaning more time on the field for LT2 and less time for Greene..Greene's ypc avg dropped to 4.1 from 5 yards per carry in 2009..that's a significant drop..

I just don't see the Jets getting away from what they did last season, i.e., heavy dosage of LT2 with some Shonn Greene sprinkled in..

215 carries, 4ypc, 860 yards, 3 TDs, 12 rec..

I have no faith in Greene being anywhere near the top 15 RBs in 2011..

nothing more than a late round flyer at this point..solid 4th RB...

I'd much rather use a mid/late round pick on a guy like Fred Jackson..
Did you see LTs 32 year old legs fall off? did you see that at all? I sure did.LOL, its comical to see people talk football around here, and have no concept of the game...just comical, like your entire post.

Sanchez airing it out, heavy dose of LT, lol....Did you just here yourself? lololololololol How did that formula work last year, failed them when they needed it most.
JuSt CuZ dropping some knowledge on some people. :lmao: Looks like Tanner made a great call here.

 
Drafted him as RB2 and he's looked like garbage. Plus it looks like the Jets think they are the Patriots this year, flinging the rock around. They need to get back to the run game, otherwise I don't think they even sniff the playoffs this year. Unfortunately, their OLine isn't as good as it used to be, and Greene is just not that "special" talent. Keller truly emerging this year and Plaxico's big frame limit Greene's TD opportunities.

Finally sold him today in a trade and couldn't be more relieved to have him off my team and not have to consider putting him in the line up. Market Value reference (0.25 ppr for WR/TE, non for RB), traded S.Greene, J.Starks and DeSean Jackson for Fred Jackson and Manningham. For what it's worth I think it's a pretty fair trade, perhaps even game up too much, but I think Greene and Starks are both in "headache" situations and DeSean is just too reliant on one or 2 big plays for my taste.

 
Drafted him as RB2 and he's looked like garbage. Plus it looks like the Jets think they are the Patriots this year, flinging the rock around. They need to get back to the run game, otherwise I don't think they even sniff the playoffs this year. Unfortunately, their OLine isn't as good as it used to be, and Greene is just not that "special" talent. Keller truly emerging this year and Plaxico's big frame limit Greene's TD opportunities.

Finally sold him today in a trade and couldn't be more relieved to have him off my team and not have to consider putting him in the line up. Market Value reference (0.25 ppr for WR/TE, non for RB), traded S.Greene, J.Starks and DeSean Jackson for Fred Jackson and Manningham. For what it's worth I think it's a pretty fair trade, perhaps even game up too much, but I think Greene and Starks are both in "headache" situations and DeSean is just too reliant on one or 2 big plays for my taste.
That trade (disregarding the rosters before/after trade, starting requirements, etc) is (IMO) heavily tilted in your favor.Fred Jackson an every-down RB on one of the best offenses in the NFL right now. In most scoring systems, he is a top-10, maybe top-5 FF RB right now. I know it's not a straight up trade, but if that's the kind of return Greene owners can get for him, they should be sending out trade offers ASAP.

 
Anyone else lucky enough to trade Greene this week? Trying my best to unload but no takers and may just have to do a throw in on a trade for Torrain. Wow who woulda thought.

 
Anyone else lucky enough to trade Greene this week? Trying my best to unload but no takers and may just have to do a throw in on a trade for Torrain. Wow who woulda thought.
I dealt Brees+Greene for Mathews+Crabtree last week in my dynasty league(i had Stafford backing Brees up). I'm in a camp that thinks Mathews is a top 5 RB stud now and going forward though in dynasty. Greene is a waste of space imo... i actualy view this Brees for Mathews(i like Mathews long term) and Crabtree for Greene(i like Crabtree a lot more which says alot of Greene's talent since Crabtree has been a bust thus far)
 
He would have had a decent stat line if that 41-yard run wasn't negated by a holding penalty on Mulligan (backup TE).

 
He would have had a decent stat line if that 41-yard run wasn't negated by a holding penalty on Mulligan (backup TE).
He also had two 1 yard TDs vultured. Greene is totally dependent on his OL. When they play well, so does he. The Jets OL seems to be playing better of late, so he could be in line for better stats.
 
He also had two 1 yard TDs vultured.
On the second he was on the sideline or already in the locker room
He was on the sideline because the game was a blowout.
No, he was on the sideline being checked by the medical staff
He said afterwards he would have gone back in if the game was close. I'm not sure of the exact timing in regards to his injury and Conner's TD, but my larger point was that he will be the goal line back moving forward.
 
'SlevinKelevra said:
'njherdfan said:
, but my larger point was that he will be the goal line back moving forward.
Well, I agree on that
I'm a Greene owner and hope you're right, but I honestly don't agree. I believe it will be goal-line carry by committee, and I'm sure they will try the quick handoff to the fullback a few more times since it was successful today.
 
whats his value if you were to sell him?
Jets running game especially Shohn drives me nuts - he seems to always get dinged or pulled for LT/McKnight especially near the GL and he hasnt had a ton of GL carris anyway - he gets carries in a run oriented offense but he is not a #3RB who I just dont feel great starting every week - hes going to give you a very nice game here and there but after al this time I just cant see him beocming the beast I thought he would....sold him for Stevie Johnson last week in a dynasty league. I had extra RBs and needed a WR pretty bad.
 
He doesn't impress me. He may hold onto his gl role this season and maintain value as a RB3. But it isn't like he is dominant even in that role.

 
He doesn't impress me. He may hold onto his gl role this season and maintain value as a RB3. But it isn't like he is dominant even in that role.
He looked pretty good yesterday before he was dinged. Was getting nice yardage. Last few weeks Greene and the O-line have been more effective.
 
He doesn't impress me. He may hold onto his gl role this season and maintain value as a RB3. But it isn't like he is dominant even in that role.
He looked pretty good yesterday before he was dinged. Was getting nice yardage. Last few weeks Greene and the O-line have been more effective.
Thats his problem though...he looks good and gets dinged or pulled fro LT/McKnight...rarely scores a TD but gets between 70-100 yds per game...nice #3 RB but not the stud I thought he would be in that system.
 
The last 4 games he has averaged 20 carries a game for 86.25 yards and .25 TDs. So basically 10 a game in standard format. He has produced double digit scoring in 4 out of 8 games and had terrible production in 2 games(weeks 1 and 4). The arrow does seem to be pointing up at least a little bit but it is hard to see much upside beyond low end RB2. The biggest positive I see is good match ups weeks 15 and 16.

 
I watched the entire game. The LT TD was a clear vulture, he came into the game on 1st down solely to get a GL dive opportunity. The 2nd TD was 2-3 plays after Greene came out of the game injured, he was still getting checked out. Even if he'd come back in the game, it'd have been after that TD was scored.

Greene also had a 40-50 yard run called back by a holding penalty away from the play. It was on the backup TE who came in when Keller was hurt, and half of O-line was in his face berating him after.

 
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LT....came into the game on 1st down solely to get a GL dive opportunity.
Probably because Greene can't jump.Has anyone else noticed he has tiny little legs?He has the torso of a 7' tall man, but the legs of a 4' boy.(that works out to him being 5'11")
 
The problem with Greene is that he's a 2 down back, gets no receiving yards and isn't the goal line back. People are living in the past with respect to him and the Jets...in 2009 they were #1 in attempts by a mile at over 600, in 2010 they were 2nd with 534, this year they are 16th right now on pace for 432. Not only are their fewer attmepts but they are much less effective since the line isn't as good.

So baiscally he's a one dimensional back averaging 3.8 ypc, on an average running team, with average (to below) skill level. I'm not sure why things will change for him in the near term. Things have to go just right for him to have a nice scoring day and even then you're talking in the 7-14 point range which is ok but there's not much upside. I wasn't a fan of his last year, before this year and certainly nothing has changed that I've seen to make me a buyer of him going forward.

 
The problem with Greene is that he's a 2 down back, gets no receiving yards and isn't the goal line back. People are living in the past with respect to him and the Jets...in 2009 they were #1 in attempts by a mile at over 600, in 2010 they were 2nd with 534, this year they are 16th right now on pace for 432. Not only are their fewer attmepts but they are much less effective since the line isn't as good. So baiscally he's a one dimensional back averaging 3.8 ypc, on an average running team, with average (to below) skill level. I'm not sure why things will change for him in the near term. Things have to go just right for him to have a nice scoring day and even then you're talking in the 7-14 point range which is ok but there's not much upside. I wasn't a fan of his last year, before this year and certainly nothing has changed that I've seen to make me a buyer of him going forward.
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The last 4 games he has averaged 20 carries a game for 86.25 yards and .25 TDs. So basically 10 a game in standard format. He has produced double digit scoring in 4 out of 8 games and had terrible production in 2 games(weeks 1 and 4). The arrow does seem to be pointing up at least a little bit but it is hard to see much upside beyond low end RB2. The biggest positive I see is good match ups weeks 15 and 16.
Not only playoffs, but his entire schedule looks good to me 10 Nov 13 NWE 11 Nov 17 @ DEN 12 Nov 27 BUF 13 Dec 4 @ WAS 14 Dec 11 KAN 15 Dec 18 @ PHI 16 Dec 24 NYG I dont see a tough matchup in that bunch, and the Jets offense is playing much better lately.Im actually trying to buy him. I think Im going to offer ABrown/Battle/MoMo for Greene/Austin and take a chance
 
Anyone counting on Greene during the playoffs?

Week 14 does look like a nice matchup with KC.

I haven't started him since Week 2, but his recent 3 TD performance has made me take a second look.

 
Anyone counting on Greene during the playoffs?Week 14 does look like a nice matchup with KC.I haven't started him since Week 2, but his recent 3 TD performance has made me take a second look.
Week 13 @ Wash was an anomaly TD-wise. His YPC still wasn't exactly eye-popping. I expect him to go back to his 14 carries for 60'ish yds, no TDs, no recep. He's a emergency bench guy; unfortunate since the Jets schedule vs the run looks so good.
 
Anyone counting on Greene during the playoffs?Week 14 does look like a nice matchup with KC.I haven't started him since Week 2, but his recent 3 TD performance has made me take a second look.
Week 13 @ Wash was an anomaly TD-wise. His YPC still wasn't exactly eye-popping. I expect him to go back to his 14 carries for 60'ish yds, no TDs, no recep. He's a emergency bench guy; unfortunate since the Jets schedule vs the run looks so good.
I benched him for Bradshaw and paid the price this week...seemed like a reasonable move in a must win game. i lost and am probably out of playoffs in that league.
 
First let me say that I am as disappointed in general as anyone with S.Greene. I agree that he hasn't shown anything special and is pretty much dependent on the OL to get his numbers. However, from a fantasy perspective, I would like to throw this out there...

I watched the Jets a lot this year (and last year, and the year before), and the conclusion I've come to is that B.Schottenheimer HATES Shonn Greene. Greene could quite literally have 10 more TD's this year if he had been given the opportunity at the GL. And I am talking about times when he was actually in the game, not times when LT was in. I don't have the numbers, but on 1st and goal from the 1 or 2, with S.Greene in the game, the Jets run play action approximately 99% of the time (ok, hyperbole but you get the idea). This happened twice last week, and the third time (where I think Greene was actually going to get the ball), Mangold and Sanchez booted the ball into the end zone.

Yes, I realize the B.Schottenheimer doesn't care about my fantasy team. I'm just talking about Greene's potential value, especially since I'm reading that Schotty might be out.

 
Going into week 17 he's got 1210 total yds and 6 TDs. he also has 30 catches, which is more than most seemed to expect. Not awful #'s. I agree that he wasn't used right this year. Against the Giants he was running very well but they simply stopped giving him the ball. IMO they have a tendency to stay away from the running game even when it's working, which doesn't do Greene any favors.

I don't think he looked good in the beginning of the year but the 2nd half of the season he has been much more effective IMO. If LT is gone next year I could see a slight uptick in numbers for him, though I think his upside is a decent #2.

 
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First let me say that I am as disappointed in general as anyone with S.Greene. I agree that he hasn't shown anything special and is pretty much dependent on the OL to get his numbers. However, from a fantasy perspective, I would like to throw this out there...I watched the Jets a lot this year (and last year, and the year before), and the conclusion I've come to is that B.Schottenheimer HATES Shonn Greene. Greene could quite literally have 10 more TD's this year if he had been given the opportunity at the GL. And I am talking about times when he was actually in the game, not times when LT was in. I don't have the numbers, but on 1st and goal from the 1 or 2, with S.Greene in the game, the Jets run play action approximately 99% of the time (ok, hyperbole but you get the idea). This happened twice last week, and the third time (where I think Greene was actually going to get the ball), Mangold and Sanchez booted the ball into the end zone.Yes, I realize the B.Schottenheimer doesn't care about my fantasy team. I'm just talking about Greene's potential value, especially since I'm reading that Schotty might be out.
Happened again in week 17 IIRC.So now Schotty is out. Depending on the offseason (LT, draft, McKnight/Powell) can we bump Greene a little?
 
So now Schotty is out. Depending on the offseason (LT, draft, McKnight/Powell) can we bump Greene a little?
Speculation but, sounds like the Jets Ol goes from Zone blocking to Straight Blocking...I think the Jets younger players and fill-ins had issues picking up the complicated Zone system......Could be better for Greene to run behind an OL who's goal will be more Ground and Pound and aligned with what the offense should be.I'll say this... I have always ranked Greene lower than the FF world and never owned him where his percieved value has been....But, just maybe, with LT gone, he's catching more balls, and a new OL while his FF ADP value dips, just maybe he will fall into my wheelhouse this season.
 
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So now Schotty is out. Depending on the offseason (LT, draft, McKnight/Powell) can we bump Greene a little?
Speculation but, sounds like the Jets Ol goes from Zone blocking to Straight Blocking...I think the Jets younger players and fill-ins had issues picking up the complicated Zone system......Could be better for Greene to run behind an OL who's goal will be more Ground and Pound and aligned with what the offense should be.I'll say this... I have always ranked Greene lower than the FF world and never owned him where his percieved value has been....But, just maybe, with LT gone, he's catching more balls, and a new OL while his FF ADP value dips, just maybe he will fall into my wheelhouse this season.
I'm wondering though if Greene is better as a zone-blocking runner.
 

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