Shooting at Ft. Hood (2 Viewers)

[Doctor Detroit]

Anyone who has been around the last 20 years with even a below average IQ knew what they were saying.

So I guess this implies you were tracking them. Good for you AE.

 

[timschochet]

My heart goes out to Ft. Hood, the victims, their families and friends. Prayers sent and will keep sending them. Extremely angering and sad. to Doctor Detroit implying, well, not even implying, just ridiculously stating that RBM and Brutis are celebrating the deaths at Ft. Hood. Really poor. Anyone who has been around the last 20 years with even a below average IQ knew what they were saying. Millions of Americans, myself included, said to ourselves that it would not be surprising if this guy was a Muslim. Why is that? Gee, I wonder.. I see people in this thread being the PC police and throwing names around like Timothy Mcveigh(an agnostic) in a weak attempt to say it's stupid to come down on Muslims. When are we going to learn? to President Obama. His press conference after this sad event was almost disgraceful, talking about health care. I could not believe it. I dont know what to say about that, other than, he doesnt get it.

It is stupid to come down on Muslims. It is not stupid to come down on radical Muslims. It is not stupid to come down on radicals, period.

 

[ArcticEdge]

Anyone who has been around the last 20 years with even a below average IQ knew what they were saying.

So I guess this implies you were tracking them. Good for you AE.

I'd apologize to RBM and Brutis and just back away from this one DD.

 

[timschochet]

The extremism that this event has brought out on both sides is terribly frustrating. I agree with Artic Edge that Doctor Detroit deliberately chose to misinterpret Brutis and RBM, and I wrote that at the time. I believe that several liberals here are guilty of trying to argue that this event was not terrorism, that it was not motivated by radical Islam. And when it turned out that this was indeed in the case, these same liberals have attempted to bring up whatever bad actions by Christians and whites they could come up with, in order to create what is IMO a false moral equivalence. Shameful.

On the other hand, conservatives here, starting with Brutis but extending to several others, have tried to make this ALL about the religion of Islam, without bothering to make any distinction between radicals and non-radicals, regarding the term "Muslim" as a smear, and hinting that it might be better if we simply removed ALL Muslims from the Armed Forces or at least investigate them all (though they don't seem to have the courage of their convictions to actually come out and say this.) Even more shameful.

The ideologues on both sides, as usual, are more intent on justifying and maintaining their world view than they are in coming up with reasonable solutions to these issues. A plague on both your houses.

 

[ScottNorwood]

The extremism that this event has brought out on both sides is terribly frustrating. I agree with Artic Edge that Doctor Detroit deliberately chose to misinterpret Brutis and RBM, and I wrote that at the time. I believe that several liberals here are guilty of trying to argue that this event was not terrorism, that it was not motivated by radical Islam. And when it turned out that this was indeed in the case, these same liberals have attempted to bring up whatever bad actions by Christians and whites they could come up with, in order to create what is IMO a false moral equivalence. Shameful.On the other hand, conservatives here, starting with Brutis but extending to several others, have tried to make this ALL about the religion of Islam, without bothering to make any distinction between radicals and non-radicals, regarding the term "Muslim" as a smear, and hinting that it might be better if we simply removed ALL Muslims from the Armed Forces or at least investigate them all (though they don't seem to have the courage of their convictions to actually come out and say this.) Even more shameful.The ideologues on both sides, as usual, are more intent on justifying and maintaining their world view than they are in coming up with reasonable solutions to these issues. A plague on both your houses.

So everyone is wrong?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Fort Hood Victims

Russell Seager

Seager, 51, of Mount Pleasant, Wis., was a “quiet helper” who joined the military a few years ago, his uncle, Larry Seager, told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.



Francheska Velez

Velez, 21, of Chicago, was pregnant and preparing to return home. A friend of Velez's, Sasha Ramos, described her as a fun-loving person who wrote poetry and loved dancing.

Pfc. Aaron Thomas Nemelka

Nemelka, 19, of the Salt Lake City suburb of West Jordan, Utah, chose to join the Army instead of going on a mission for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, his uncle Christopher Nemelka said.

Captain John Gaffaney

Gaffaney, 56, of Serra Mesa, Calif., already had retired from the Army as a major, but longed to return to active duty in the Army National Guard, according to the Washington Post.

Maj. Eduardo Caraveo

Caraveo, 52, of Woodbridge, Va., arrived in the United States in his teens from Ciudad Juárez, Mexico, knowing very little English, said his son, also named Eduardo Caraveo.

Pfc. Michael Pearson

Pearson, 21, of the Chicago suburb of Bolingbrook, Ill., quit what he figured was a dead-end furniture company job to join the military about a year ago.

Spc. Jason Dean Hunt

Hunt, 22, of Frederick, Okla., went into the military after graduating from Tipton High School in 2005 and had gotten married just two months ago, his mother, Gale Hunt, said. He had served 3 1/2 years in the Army, including a stint in Iraq.

Michael Grant Cahill

Cahill, a 62-year-old physician assistant, suffered a heart attack two weeks ago and returned to work at the base as a civilian employee after taking just one week off for recovery, said his daughter Keely Vanacker.

Sgt. Amy Krueger

Krueger, 29, of Kiel, Wis., joined the Army after the 2001 terrorist attacks and had vowed to take on Osama bin Laden, her mother, Jeri Krueger said.



Kham Xiong

Kham Xiong, 23, of St. Paul, Minn., a 2004 graduate of Community of Peace Academy, enjoyed hunting and fishing.

Juanita Warman

Warman, 55, of Pittsburgh spent most of her career in the military, said her sister, Margaret Yaggie of Roaring Branch, Pa.

Warman, a military physician’s assistant, attended Pittsburgh Langley High School and put herself through school at the University of Pittsburgh, her sister said. The family was notified of her death early Friday. She had two daughters and six grandchildren, her sister said.



Staff Sgt. Justin M. DeCrow

DeCrow, 32, of Plymouth, Ind., had been stationed at Fort Hood for a couple of months after being stationed in Korea, relatives told WSBT News in South Bend, Ind.

Spc. Frederick Greene

The other victim identified Saturday was Spc. Frederick Greene. He was assigned to the 16th Signal Company at Fort Hood.

Greene, 29, of Mountain City, Tenn., went by “Freddie” and was active at Baker's Gap Baptist Church while he was growing up, said Glenn Arney, the church's former superintendent and a former co-worker of Greene's.

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A wide cross-section of our nation represented in these deaths. Only 1 percent of the population serves and everyone has their reasons whether it be they always wanted to do it, it opened new doors, or they wanted a career that was meaningful. Regardless if the fallen are in Iraq, Afghanistan, or at Fort Hood awaiting deployment the great service of our Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines is one of the things that makes the United States great. Having just recently lost a friend to an accident during her service in Italy I can say the loss of life, especially with those that are so young like some of those lost at Fort Hood makes this that much more tragic. Young people in the Armed Forces sacrifice an awful lot even if that sacrifice is good for them in the long run. When we lose them at 19 or 21 as they are growing up in our military it's just hard for me to not think of the children they never had, the roads they never traveled, or the thanks they will never get from an appreciative nation.

When you are forward deployed or in garrison somewhere in the United States it is the young people who make the military such a special thing to be part of. Wide-eyed, eager, and ready for anything and everything they can get their minds and hands around. Many like young Marines and 1st Lt pilots have an air of invincibility that you don't see in any other service in the world. That confidence and swagger makes our armed forces the best in the world when others think it's only due to our technology and firepower. The 1st Cavalry Division which is based out of Fort Hood is the most decorated unit in American military history, and I had a chance to serve with them in Iraq in 2003. It is also the same division that was featured in the movie "We were Soldiers," which to me is one of the very best and most realistic war movies ever made. The 1st Cav and 3rd Armed CR along with all the other units serving at Fort Hood have given so much for so long it's really hard to quantify.

So a heartfelt good-bye to those who died last week, this Veteran's Day is going to be that much more somber given the circumstances.

 

[timschochet]

Thank you, Doctor Detroit. Great post, and I really appreciate it.

 

[TexanFan02]

I apologize for schticking up this thread. It's disrespecting a pretty serious situation, and I feel badly for doing it.Won't happen again.

Good that you can see that. Wrong place for shtick, people died. AE, RBM, Peens et al could stand to take a page out of your book. Although with them I fear it's not shtick, but pure stupidity. Not a shocker, considering the sources.

 

[RBM]

My heart goes out to Ft. Hood, the victims, their families and friends. Prayers sent and will keep sending them. Extremely angering and sad. to Doctor Detroit implying, well, not even implying, just ridiculously stating that RBM and Brutis are celebrating the deaths at Ft. Hood. Really poor. Anyone who has been around the last 20 years with even a below average IQ knew what they were saying. Millions of Americans, myself included, said to ourselves that it would not be surprising if this guy was a Muslim. Why is that? Gee, I wonder.. I see people in this thread being the PC police and throwing names around like Timothy Mcveigh(an agnostic) in a weak attempt to say it's stupid to come down on Muslims. When are we going to learn? to President Obama. His press conference after this sad event was almost disgraceful, talking about health care. I could not believe it. I dont know what to say about that, other than, he doesnt get it.

Well said as usual AE. And thanks to DD for posting that list of victims. Makes it all the more real and upsetting.

 

[Agent 47]

Well the shooter is awake and talking.

Raise your hand if you're still against torture.

 

[timschochet]

Well the shooter is awake and talking.Raise your hand if you're still against torture.

Hand firmly raised.

 

[Clinton]

My heart goes out to Ft. Hood, the victims, their families and friends. Prayers sent and will keep sending them. Extremely angering and sad. :( to Doctor Detroit implying, well, not even implying, just ridiculously stating that RBM and Brutis are celebrating the deaths at Ft. Hood. Really poor. Anyone who has been around the last 20 years with even a below average IQ knew what they were saying. Millions of Americans, myself included, said to ourselves that it would not be surprising if this guy was a Muslim. Why is that? Gee, I wonder.. I see people in this thread being the PC police and throwing names around like Timothy Mcveigh(an agnostic) in a weak attempt to say it's stupid to come down on Muslims. When are we going to learn? to President Obama. His press conference after this sad event was almost disgraceful, talking about health care. I could not believe it. I dont know what to say about that, other than, he doesnt get it.

 

[Agent 47]

Well the shooter is awake and talking.Raise your hand if you're still against torture.

Hand firmly raised.

I for one am shocked.

 

[culdeus]

There have been a bunch of these big shootings recently, but to have two alive in a matter of a few weeks is a little odd. The other mass shooting that has been forgotten about the dude didn't even try to go down shooting which is odd. I can't even remember enough details about the other one to even find it on google anymore.

 

[pantagrapher]

Well the shooter is awake and talking.Raise your hand if you're still against torture.

Quick. Torture him so he stops talking.

 

[Fennis]

Well the shooter is awake and talking.Raise your hand if you're still against torture.

Why would you want to torture the guy? You dont think they can get the info out of him they need? I don't get it.

 

[RBM]

Amazing self-control by the hospital workers and authorities around this guy.

How isnt someone beating him senseless?

 

[TommyGilmore]

Amazing self-control by the hospital workers and authorities around this guy. How isnt someone beating him senseless?

Because that's exactly what the martyrs would want?

 

[Agent 47]

Well the shooter is awake and talking.Raise your hand if you're still against torture.

Why would you want to torture the guy? You dont think they can get the info out of him they need? I don't get it.

OMG that's exactly what I said!!!11!

 

[timschochet]

Amazing self-control by the hospital workers and authorities around this guy. How isnt someone beating him senseless?

And here, Ladies and Gentlemen, we have in very clear terms the true motivation behind anyone who believes in torture- they are not really looking to use it to gain information. They don't care about that. They are using it to inflict pain, and extract revenge. RBM, I understand and actually share your emotions. The difference between us is that I don't want my government making decisions based on emotion.

 

[Sheriff Bart]

This should have never happened. Stupid inept govermnet.

His name appears above radical internet postings praising Islamic suicide bombers — something that the FBI was alerted to six months ago.

He had frequent arguments with soldiers at Fort Hood because of his declarations that fellow Muslims “should stand up and fight against the aggressor”, and his vocal opposition to US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

He even appeared to celebrate the shooting dead of a soldier at an army recruiting centre in Arkansas in June, carried out by a Muslim convert. He said at the time that Muslims should strap on suicide bombs and detonate them in Times Square.

These were the extraordinarily provocative statements and actions of the army psychiatrist Major Nidal Malik Hasan in the months before his deadly shootings at Fort Hood — a massacre that began with him shouting “God is Great” in Arabic.

Yet it also appeared likely yesterday that his fear of being deployed was probably because of a revulsion of being part of an operation in which Muslims would be killed. Hasan’s faith had intensified in recent years, first after the deaths of his parents in 1998 and 2001, and then with his mounting opposition to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Colonel Terry Lee, who worked with Hasan in Fort Hood’s psychiatric unit, said that his colleague had begun making “outlandish” comments about the American presence in Iraq and Afghanistan.

“He said, precisely, that maybe the Muslims should stand up and fight against the aggressor,” Colonel Lee said, adding that after Barack Obama was elected, Hasan expressed hope that the new President would end both wars. When that did not happen, Colonel Lee said, Hasan, who he described as a loner, “became more agitated about the conflicts”. He got into frequent arguments with soldiers because of his opposition.

After the shooting in Little Rock, Colonel Lee added: “He seemed happy about it. He said ... maybe we should get out [of Iraq and Afghanistan]. He said maybe we should have more of these — people should strap bombs on themselves and go into Times Square.” Six months ago, the FBI was alerted to a posting on a website, Scribd.com, under the username “NadalHasan”, comparing the actions of an American soldier who threw himself on a grenade in Iraq with those of Islamist suicide bombers.

“[The soldier] intentionally took his life for a noble cause, saving the lives of his soldiers. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. It’s more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause,” Nadal Hasan wrote. “Scholars have paralleled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims, by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard, that would be considered a strategic victory.”

It's always the loner. Always.

 

[Fennis]

Well the shooter is awake and talking.Raise your hand if you're still against torture.

Why would you want to torture the guy? You dont think they can get the info out of him they need? I don't get it.

OMG that's exactly what I said!!!11!

 

[FigJam]

This guy was born in the US, raised in the US, joined the Army right out of high school in 1988 and has been in ever since. Despite whatever "red flags" we think may or may not have been thrown up in the past 6 months or whatever (nothing is confirmed), I really don't think there was any reason to expect something like this. For those of you who think this is somehow the Army's fault for letting him hang around, or for letting Muslim Americans join the military, or whatever you're trying to say, I'd really be interested in your thoughts on what they should have done. Keep in mind this is America.

[Devil'sAdvocate]What's so terrible about keeping a closer eye on the soldiers who share the same ancestry/religion/culture as the enemy?

[/Devil'sAdvocate]

I think the military needs to address this. There are about 15,000 Muslims in the military, probably about 1% of the total. My first guess when this happened was that is was probably a Muslim. That sounds so racist, but what should be a 1 in a 100 chance, is more like 50-50. We need to consider, Muslim + Anti-War rhetoric + Disgruntled = Major Warning Sign. People in the military are in charge of a lot of weapons a heck of a lot more powerful and destructive than a handgun, so it could be a lot worse next time. Too much political correctness is going to get a lot of young American men and women killed.

15,000 Muslims in the military, one guy loses it, and you want to do what exactly? This is America. Plenty of Italian- and German-Americans fought bravely in WWII, plenty of Asian-Americans (since we're painting that broad a stroke) fought bravely in the Korean and Vietnam wars, and by your account 15,000 Muslims are fighting bravely in the wars in the Middle East. But since this one guy lost it we should do what exactly? No one is even really saying... kick them out? Assign a white guy to follow them around? Implant a LoJack? Ridiculous. It's not being PC. It's about being American and respecting the equal rights of American citizens. It's what America is, and it's why the great great great majority of these Muslims came here and are proud to fight.

You know, I was an Arabic linguist in the USAF, and I will tell you 100%, the best linguists in our DoD, military or civilian, are Arab Americans who serve our country with nothing but pride and dignity.

Grenade attack Muslim had anti-war views"Those Who Forget History Are Doomed to Repeat It"

-- William L. Shirer

There's a lot of selective memory issues with some people on this board...

 

[Agent 47]

This guy was born in the US, raised in the US, joined the Army right out of high school in 1988 and has been in ever since. Despite whatever "red flags" we think may or may not have been thrown up in the past 6 months or whatever (nothing is confirmed), I really don't think there was any reason to expect something like this. For those of you who think this is somehow the Army's fault for letting him hang around, or for letting Muslim Americans join the military, or whatever you're trying to say, I'd really be interested in your thoughts on what they should have done. Keep in mind this is America.

[Devil'sAdvocate]What's so terrible about keeping a closer eye on the soldiers who share the same ancestry/religion/culture as the enemy?

[/Devil'sAdvocate]

I think the military needs to address this. There are about 15,000 Muslims in the military, probably about 1% of the total. My first guess when this happened was that is was probably a Muslim. That sounds so racist, but what should be a 1 in a 100 chance, is more like 50-50. We need to consider, Muslim + Anti-War rhetoric + Disgruntled = Major Warning Sign. People in the military are in charge of a lot of weapons a heck of a lot more powerful and destructive than a handgun, so it could be a lot worse next time. Too much political correctness is going to get a lot of young American men and women killed.

15,000 Muslims in the military, one guy loses it, and you want to do what exactly? This is America. Plenty of Italian- and German-Americans fought bravely in WWII, plenty of Asian-Americans (since we're painting that broad a stroke) fought bravely in the Korean and Vietnam wars, and by your account 15,000 Muslims are fighting bravely in the wars in the Middle East. But since this one guy lost it we should do what exactly? No one is even really saying... kick them out? Assign a white guy to follow them around? Implant a LoJack? Ridiculous. It's not being PC. It's about being American and respecting the equal rights of American citizens. It's what America is, and it's why the great great great majority of these Muslims came here and are proud to fight.

You know, I was an Arabic linguist in the USAF, and I will tell you 100%, the best linguists in our DoD, military or civilian, are Arab Americans who serve our country with nothing but pride and dignity.

Grenade attack Muslim had anti-war views"Those Who Forget History Are Doomed to Repeat It"

-- William L. Shirer

There's a lot of selective memory issues with some people on this board...

Nice link there Einstein.

 

[FigJam]

Nice link there Einstein.

Sorry, I forget there are people here that still fill out forms with crayons (so I fixed the link, just for you)...P.S. My 6 year old could have figured out how to fix that link error in his browser... Einstein

 

[Agent 47]

Nice link there Einstein.

Sorry, I forget there are people here that still fill out forms with crayons (so I fixed the link, just for you)...P.S. My 6 year old could have figured out how to fix that link error in his browser... Einstein

I figured it out, but I dislike you very much so I wanted to make fun of your ineptitude, Sally.PS: Maybe you should have had your 6 year old link for you, he sounds smarter.

 

[JZilla]

This guy was born in the US, raised in the US, joined the Army right out of high school in 1988 and has been in ever since. Despite whatever "red flags" we think may or may not have been thrown up in the past 6 months or whatever (nothing is confirmed), I really don't think there was any reason to expect something like this. For those of you who think this is somehow the Army's fault for letting him hang around, or for letting Muslim Americans join the military, or whatever you're trying to say, I'd really be interested in your thoughts on what they should have done. Keep in mind this is America.

[Devil'sAdvocate]What's so terrible about keeping a closer eye on the soldiers who share the same ancestry/religion/culture as the enemy?

[/Devil'sAdvocate]

I think the military needs to address this. There are about 15,000 Muslims in the military, probably about 1% of the total. My first guess when this happened was that is was probably a Muslim. That sounds so racist, but what should be a 1 in a 100 chance, is more like 50-50. We need to consider, Muslim + Anti-War rhetoric + Disgruntled = Major Warning Sign. People in the military are in charge of a lot of weapons a heck of a lot more powerful and destructive than a handgun, so it could be a lot worse next time. Too much political correctness is going to get a lot of young American men and women killed.

15,000 Muslims in the military, one guy loses it, and you want to do what exactly? This is America. Plenty of Italian- and German-Americans fought bravely in WWII, plenty of Asian-Americans (since we're painting that broad a stroke) fought bravely in the Korean and Vietnam wars, and by your account 15,000 Muslims are fighting bravely in the wars in the Middle East. But since this one guy lost it we should do what exactly? No one is even really saying... kick them out? Assign a white guy to follow them around? Implant a LoJack? Ridiculous. It's not being PC. It's about being American and respecting the equal rights of American citizens. It's what America is, and it's why the great great great majority of these Muslims came here and are proud to fight.

You know, I was an Arabic linguist in the USAF, and I will tell you 100%, the best linguists in our DoD, military or civilian, are Arab Americans who serve our country with nothing but pride and dignity.

Grenade attack Muslim had anti-war views"Those Who Forget History Are Doomed to Repeat It"

-- William L. Shirer

There's a lot of selective memory issues with some people on this board...

Doesn't seem to be an answer to the question I asked. What do you want to do exactly? Come on, one of you nuts has to have the sack to say what you really mean.Your article gives no indication the military knew anything about SGT Akbar's moral crisis.

 

[Agent 47]

15,000 Muslims in the military, one guy loses it, and you want to do what exactly? This is America. Plenty of Italian- and German-Americans fought bravely in WWII, plenty of Asian-Americans (since we're painting that broad a stroke) fought bravely in the Korean and Vietnam wars, and by your account 15,000 Muslims are fighting bravely in the wars in the Middle East. But since this one guy lost it we should do what exactly? No one is even really saying... kick them out? Assign a white guy to follow them around? Implant a LoJack? Ridiculous.

It's not being PC. It's about being American and respecting the equal rights of American citizens. It's what America is, and it's why the great great great majority of these Muslims came here and are proud to fight.

You know, I was an Arabic linguist in the USAF, and I will tell you 100%, the best linguists in our DoD, military or civilian, are Arab Americans who serve our country with nothing but pride and dignity.

Grenade attack Muslim had anti-war views"Those Who Forget History Are Doomed to Repeat It"

-- William L. Shirer

There's a lot of selective memory issues with some people on this board...

Doesn't seem to be an answer to the question I asked. What do you want to do exactly? Come on, one of you nuts has to have the sack to say what you really mean.Your article gives no indication the military knew anything about SGT Akbar's moral crisis.

Dangerous assumption.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

A letter from a Muslim-American military spouse:

I wanted to let you know what life has been like for myself, being an American-Muslim military spouse, over the last few days here at (military installation withheld), since the Ft. Hood incident. When I first learned of this, I was sitting in the PX food court with my best friend whose immediate reaction was, "No offense to you, but Muslims shouldn't even be allowed in the U.S. Army." Wow, this was from my best friend here! I have heard this and similar sentiments repeatedly from various "friends," as well as people insisting it's really a terror plot. Since this happening, my Muslim husband, who is deployed to Afghanistan, has been put on duty to build a chapel on his base, as well as being told not to associate with the Afghan nationals that work there. I went shopping at the commissary and had people mumbling under their breath but loud enough to ensure that I could hear, things like, "get out of our country," "go back to your country," " F-ing Muslims," "G-Damn Muslims," and several other expletives you can insert there. Now people don't just stare at you when they see you go by wearing hijab, they glare. Last time I checked, I was born in this country, this is *my* country, and my husband is serving it and continues to serve it despite the harassment and racism he encounters. He proudly serves despite the fact that our family pays a higher price for it than many others. I have to wonder...would there be such backlash if it had been a Christian soldier that shot his fellow soldiers? Or would we let it slide and say, "What a shame, someone should have helped him so it didn't have to come to this?" I am continually amazed by how a person's religious beliefs dictate how we treat them.

 

[Agent 47]

Well, if the Christian had shouted "Praise be to Christ!" and opened fire I think this type of dialogue may have been initiated, but I agree Muslims are taking more heat than they deserve here.

 

[Challenge Everything]

A letter from a Muslim-American military spouse:

I wanted to let you know what life has been like for myself, being an American-Muslim military spouse, over the last few days here at (military installation withheld), since the Ft. Hood incident. When I first learned of this, I was sitting in the PX food court with my best friend whose immediate reaction was, "No offense to you, but Muslims shouldn't even be allowed in the U.S. Army." Wow, this was from my best friend here! I have heard this and similar sentiments repeatedly from various "friends," as well as people insisting it's really a terror plot. Since this happening, my Muslim husband, who is deployed to Afghanistan, has been put on duty to build a chapel on his base, as well as being told not to associate with the Afghan nationals that work there. I went shopping at the commissary and had people mumbling under their breath but loud enough to ensure that I could hear, things like, "get out of our country," "go back to your country," " F-ing Muslims," "G-Damn Muslims," and several other expletives you can insert there. Now people don't just stare at you when they see you go by wearing hijab, they glare. Last time I checked, I was born in this country, this is *my* country, and my husband is serving it and continues to serve it despite the harassment and racism he encounters. He proudly serves despite the fact that our family pays a higher price for it than many others. I have to wonder...would there be such backlash if it had been a Christian soldier that shot his fellow soldiers? Or would we let it slide and say, "What a shame, someone should have helped him so it didn't have to come to this?" I am continually amazed by how a persons religious beliefs dictate how we treat them.

I, as an American, really feel for this lady and her husband. Reading comments on these boards, not as blunt, but just as harmful that some posters have said I find rather pathetic and cowardly. If I had been in that store with that lady or wherever she goes and I heard those same comments directed at her, I would have shouted back louder right at them in defense of this lady. It is truly sad that people jump to conclusions, feel such hate, express such hate, and then go home and profess they themselves are "perfect". Sadly enough, no matter how I feel about Muslims or express myself to them (in the example above), Muslims, as a whole, will never see me as their friend and sadly, I do not blame them. Each person has to know you personally in order to dismiss any issues with them and even the lady above had her best friend, essentially, turn on her right there. The overall reaction and inaction by other Americans to not back up their fellow Americans against discrimination hurts us much more than what any terrorist can do with a bomb.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

A letter from a Muslim-American military spouse:

I wanted to let you know what life has been like for myself, being an American-Muslim military spouse, over the last few days here at (military installation withheld), since the Ft. Hood incident. When I first learned of this, I was sitting in the PX food court with my best friend whose immediate reaction was, "No offense to you, but Muslims shouldn't even be allowed in the U.S. Army." Wow, this was from my best friend here! I have heard this and similar sentiments repeatedly from various "friends," as well as people insisting it's really a terror plot. Since this happening, my Muslim husband, who is deployed to Afghanistan, has been put on duty to build a chapel on his base, as well as being told not to associate with the Afghan nationals that work there. I went shopping at the commissary and had people mumbling under their breath but loud enough to ensure that I could hear, things like, "get out of our country," "go back to your country," " F-ing Muslims," "G-Damn Muslims," and several other expletives you can insert there. Now people don't just stare at you when they see you go by wearing hijab, they glare. Last time I checked, I was born in this country, this is *my* country, and my husband is serving it and continues to serve it despite the harassment and racism he encounters. He proudly serves despite the fact that our family pays a higher price for it than many others. I have to wonder...would there be such backlash if it had been a Christian soldier that shot his fellow soldiers? Or would we let it slide and say, "What a shame, someone should have helped him so it didn't have to come to this?" I am continually amazed by how a person's religious beliefs dictate how we treat them.

Thanks for the link Maurile. I can't imagine how hard it would be to show restraint when dealing with the imbeciles that she encounters.

 

[ArcticEdge]

A letter from a Muslim-American military spouse:

I wanted to let you know what life has been like for myself, being an American-Muslim military spouse, over the last few days here at (military installation withheld), since the Ft. Hood incident. When I first learned of this, I was sitting in the PX food court with my best friend whose immediate reaction was, "No offense to you, but Muslims shouldn't even be allowed in the U.S. Army." Wow, this was from my best friend here! I have heard this and similar sentiments repeatedly from various "friends," as well as people insisting it's really a terror plot. Since this happening, my Muslim husband, who is deployed to Afghanistan, has been put on duty to build a chapel on his base, as well as being told not to associate with the Afghan nationals that work there. I went shopping at the commissary and had people mumbling under their breath but loud enough to ensure that I could hear, things like, "get out of our country," "go back to your country," " F-ing Muslims," "G-Damn Muslims," and several other expletives you can insert there. Now people don't just stare at you when they see you go by wearing hijab, they glare. Last time I checked, I was born in this country, this is *my* country, and my husband is serving it and continues to serve it despite the harassment and racism he encounters. He proudly serves despite the fact that our family pays a higher price for it than many others. I have to wonder...would there be such backlash if it had been a Christian soldier that shot his fellow soldiers? Or would we let it slide and say, "What a shame, someone should have helped him so it didn't have to come to this?" I am continually amazed by how a person's religious beliefs dictate how we treat them.

Thanks for the link Maurile. I can't imagine how hard it would be to show restraint when dealing with the imbeciles that she encounters.

Yeah, because people's feelings being hurt is the real issue. Safety/taking extra precautions>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Feelings being hurt/being PC

 

[Challenge Everything]

A letter from a Muslim-American military spouse:

I wanted to let you know what life has been like for myself, being an American-Muslim military spouse, over the last few days here at (military installation withheld), since the Ft. Hood incident. When I first learned of this, I was sitting in the PX food court with my best friend whose immediate reaction was, "No offense to you, but Muslims shouldn't even be allowed in the U.S. Army." Wow, this was from my best friend here! I have heard this and similar sentiments repeatedly from various "friends," as well as people insisting it's really a terror plot. Since this happening, my Muslim husband, who is deployed to Afghanistan, has been put on duty to build a chapel on his base, as well as being told not to associate with the Afghan nationals that work there. I went shopping at the commissary and had people mumbling under their breath but loud enough to ensure that I could hear, things like, "get out of our country," "go back to your country," " F-ing Muslims," "G-Damn Muslims," and several other expletives you can insert there. Now people don't just stare at you when they see you go by wearing hijab, they glare. Last time I checked, I was born in this country, this is *my* country, and my husband is serving it and continues to serve it despite the harassment and racism he encounters. He proudly serves despite the fact that our family pays a higher price for it than many others. I have to wonder...would there be such backlash if it had been a Christian soldier that shot his fellow soldiers? Or would we let it slide and say, "What a shame, someone should have helped him so it didn't have to come to this?" I am continually amazed by how a person's religious beliefs dictate how we treat them.

Thanks for the link Maurile. I can't imagine how hard it would be to show restraint when dealing with the imbeciles that she encounters.

Yeah, because people's feelings being hurt is the real issue. Giving up Freedoms/Safety/taking extra precautions>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Feelings being hurt/being PC

I fixed it for you.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

A letter from a Muslim-American military spouse:

I wanted to let you know what life has been like for myself, being an American-Muslim military spouse, over the last few days here at (military installation withheld), since the Ft. Hood incident. When I first learned of this, I was sitting in the PX food court with my best friend whose immediate reaction was, "No offense to you, but Muslims shouldn't even be allowed in the U.S. Army." Wow, this was from my best friend here! I have heard this and similar sentiments repeatedly from various "friends," as well as people insisting it's really a terror plot. Since this happening, my Muslim husband, who is deployed to Afghanistan, has been put on duty to build a chapel on his base, as well as being told not to associate with the Afghan nationals that work there. I went shopping at the commissary and had people mumbling under their breath but loud enough to ensure that I could hear, things like, "get out of our country," "go back to your country," " F-ing Muslims," "G-Damn Muslims," and several other expletives you can insert there. Now people don't just stare at you when they see you go by wearing hijab, they glare. Last time I checked, I was born in this country, this is *my* country, and my husband is serving it and continues to serve it despite the harassment and racism he encounters. He proudly serves despite the fact that our family pays a higher price for it than many others. I have to wonder...would there be such backlash if it had been a Christian soldier that shot his fellow soldiers? Or would we let it slide and say, "What a shame, someone should have helped him so it didn't have to come to this?" I am continually amazed by how a person's religious beliefs dictate how we treat them.

Thanks for the link Maurile. I can't imagine how hard it would be to show restraint when dealing with the imbeciles that she encounters.

Yeah, because people's feelings being hurt is the real issue. Safety/taking extra precautions>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Feelings being hurt/being PC

what does her story have to do with safety?if she was born here, what's the point of telling her to "get out of our country"?

 

[ArcticEdge]

A letter from a Muslim-American military spouse:

I wanted to let you know what life has been like for myself, being an American-Muslim military spouse, over the last few days here at (military installation withheld), since the Ft. Hood incident. When I first learned of this, I was sitting in the PX food court with my best friend whose immediate reaction was, "No offense to you, but Muslims shouldn't even be allowed in the U.S. Army." Wow, this was from my best friend here! I have heard this and similar sentiments repeatedly from various "friends," as well as people insisting it's really a terror plot. Since this happening, my Muslim husband, who is deployed to Afghanistan, has been put on duty to build a chapel on his base, as well as being told not to associate with the Afghan nationals that work there. I went shopping at the commissary and had people mumbling under their breath but loud enough to ensure that I could hear, things like, "get out of our country," "go back to your country," " F-ing Muslims," "G-Damn Muslims," and several other expletives you can insert there. Now people don't just stare at you when they see you go by wearing hijab, they glare. Last time I checked, I was born in this country, this is *my* country, and my husband is serving it and continues to serve it despite the harassment and racism he encounters. He proudly serves despite the fact that our family pays a higher price for it than many others. I have to wonder...would there be such backlash if it had been a Christian soldier that shot his fellow soldiers? Or would we let it slide and say, "What a shame, someone should have helped him so it didn't have to come to this?" I am continually amazed by how a person's religious beliefs dictate how we treat them.

Thanks for the link Maurile. I can't imagine how hard it would be to show restraint when dealing with the imbeciles that she encounters.

Yeah, because people's feelings being hurt is the real issue. Giving up Freedoms/Safety/taking extra precautions>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Feelings being hurt/being PC

I fixed it for you.

What freedoms?

 

[bueno]

Nice link there Einstein.

Sorry, I forget there are people here that still fill out forms with crayons (so I fixed the link, just for you)...P.S. My 6 year old could have figured out how to fix that link error in his browser... Einstein

Is your 6 year old looking for a job?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

A letter from a Muslim-American military spouse:

I wanted to let you know what life has been like for myself, being an American-Muslim military spouse, over the last few days here at (military installation withheld), since the Ft. Hood incident. When I first learned of this, I was sitting in the PX food court with my best friend whose immediate reaction was, "No offense to you, but Muslims shouldn't even be allowed in the U.S. Army." Wow, this was from my best friend here! I have heard this and similar sentiments repeatedly from various "friends," as well as people insisting it's really a terror plot. Since this happening, my Muslim husband, who is deployed to Afghanistan, has been put on duty to build a chapel on his base, as well as being told not to associate with the Afghan nationals that work there. I went shopping at the commissary and had people mumbling under their breath but loud enough to ensure that I could hear, things like, "get out of our country," "go back to your country," " F-ing Muslims," "G-Damn Muslims," and several other expletives you can insert there. Now people don't just stare at you when they see you go by wearing hijab, they glare. Last time I checked, I was born in this country, this is *my* country, and my husband is serving it and continues to serve it despite the harassment and racism he encounters. He proudly serves despite the fact that our family pays a higher price for it than many others. I have to wonder...would there be such backlash if it had been a Christian soldier that shot his fellow soldiers? Or would we let it slide and say, "What a shame, someone should have helped him so it didn't have to come to this?" I am continually amazed by how a person's religious beliefs dictate how we treat them.

Thanks for the link Maurile. I can't imagine how hard it would be to show restraint when dealing with the imbeciles that she encounters.

Yeah, because people's feelings being hurt is the real issue. Safety/taking extra precautions>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Feelings being hurt/being PC

That lady is 100 percent correct and as a spouse of an active duty service member, her opinion should always be considered. She lives the life, she walks the walk. For her life isn't in a homogeneous existence where routine and familiarity breeds contempt for anything different.

 

[ArcticEdge]

A letter from a Muslim-American military spouse:

I wanted to let you know what life has been like for myself, being an American-Muslim military spouse, over the last few days here at (military installation withheld), since the Ft. Hood incident. When I first learned of this, I was sitting in the PX food court with my best friend whose immediate reaction was, "No offense to you, but Muslims shouldn't even be allowed in the U.S. Army." Wow, this was from my best friend here! I have heard this and similar sentiments repeatedly from various "friends," as well as people insisting it's really a terror plot. Since this happening, my Muslim husband, who is deployed to Afghanistan, has been put on duty to build a chapel on his base, as well as being told not to associate with the Afghan nationals that work there. I went shopping at the commissary and had people mumbling under their breath but loud enough to ensure that I could hear, things like, "get out of our country," "go back to your country," " F-ing Muslims," "G-Damn Muslims," and several other expletives you can insert there. Now people don't just stare at you when they see you go by wearing hijab, they glare. Last time I checked, I was born in this country, this is *my* country, and my husband is serving it and continues to serve it despite the harassment and racism he encounters. He proudly serves despite the fact that our family pays a higher price for it than many others. I have to wonder...would there be such backlash if it had been a Christian soldier that shot his fellow soldiers? Or would we let it slide and say, "What a shame, someone should have helped him so it didn't have to come to this?" I am continually amazed by how a person's religious beliefs dictate how we treat them.

Thanks for the link Maurile. I can't imagine how hard it would be to show restraint when dealing with the imbeciles that she encounters.

Yeah, because people's feelings being hurt is the real issue. Safety/taking extra precautions>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Feelings being hurt/being PC

what does her story have to do with safety?

People dont want to racial profile, question people, because they are afraid of hurt feelings which makes us less safe. That is what this story is, it's to shame people from doing what has to be done to make us safe. I've already seen many other of these types of stories all over the media, it's damage control and an attempt to shame officials from doing the right things to keep us safe. Hurt feelings will have to come second, sorry Aaron.

 

[urbanhack]

Thanks for the link Maurile. I can't imagine how hard it would be to show restraint when dealing with the imbeciles that she encounters.Yeah, because people's feelings being hurt is the real issue. Safety/taking extra precautions>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Feelings being hurt/being PC

what does her story have to do with safety?

People dont want to racial profile, question people, because they are afraid of hurt feelings which makes us less safe. That is what this story is, it's to shame people from doing what has to be done to make us safe. I've already seen many other of these types of stories all over the media, it's damage control and an attempt to shame officials from doing the right things to keep us safe. Hurt feelings will have to come second, sorry Aaron.

So should I go home tonight and question and doubt my next door neighbor who I've known for 5 years now, just to be safe? He's muslim and owns his own construction/contracting business. If he gets mad at me, should I tell him to deal with it?Please advise.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

A letter from a Muslim-American military spouse:

I wanted to let you know what life has been like for myself, being an American-Muslim military spouse, over the last few days here at (military installation withheld), since the Ft. Hood incident. When I first learned of this, I was sitting in the PX food court with my best friend whose immediate reaction was, "No offense to you, but Muslims shouldn't even be allowed in the U.S. Army." Wow, this was from my best friend here! I have heard this and similar sentiments repeatedly from various "friends," as well as people insisting it's really a terror plot. Since this happening, my Muslim husband, who is deployed to Afghanistan, has been put on duty to build a chapel on his base, as well as being told not to associate with the Afghan nationals that work there. I went shopping at the commissary and had people mumbling under their breath but loud enough to ensure that I could hear, things like, "get out of our country," "go back to your country," " F-ing Muslims," "G-Damn Muslims," and several other expletives you can insert there. Now people don't just stare at you when they see you go by wearing hijab, they glare. Last time I checked, I was born in this country, this is *my* country, and my husband is serving it and continues to serve it despite the harassment and racism he encounters. He proudly serves despite the fact that our family pays a higher price for it than many others. I have to wonder...would there be such backlash if it had been a Christian soldier that shot his fellow soldiers? Or would we let it slide and say, "What a shame, someone should have helped him so it didn't have to come to this?" I am continually amazed by how a person's religious beliefs dictate how we treat them.

The intolerance she's encountering isn't defensible, obviously, but it seems to me that this lady and others like her really ought to be directing their anger toward the radicals who give their religion a bad name. For example, mainstream Christian organizations typically bend over backwards to ostracize violent fringes of the antiabortion movement and non-violent wackos like Fred Phelps. I've never gotten why there isn't a similar, vocal movement among western Muslims.

 

[ArcticEdge]

A letter from a Muslim-American military spouse:

I wanted to let you know what life has been like for myself, being an American-Muslim military spouse, over the last few days here at (military installation withheld), since the Ft. Hood incident. When I first learned of this, I was sitting in the PX food court with my best friend whose immediate reaction was, "No offense to you, but Muslims shouldn't even be allowed in the U.S. Army." Wow, this was from my best friend here! I have heard this and similar sentiments repeatedly from various "friends," as well as people insisting it's really a terror plot. Since this happening, my Muslim husband, who is deployed to Afghanistan, has been put on duty to build a chapel on his base, as well as being told not to associate with the Afghan nationals that work there. I went shopping at the commissary and had people mumbling under their breath but loud enough to ensure that I could hear, things like, "get out of our country," "go back to your country," " F-ing Muslims," "G-Damn Muslims," and several other expletives you can insert there. Now people don't just stare at you when they see you go by wearing hijab, they glare. Last time I checked, I was born in this country, this is *my* country, and my husband is serving it and continues to serve it despite the harassment and racism he encounters. He proudly serves despite the fact that our family pays a higher price for it than many others. I have to wonder...would there be such backlash if it had been a Christian soldier that shot his fellow soldiers? Or would we let it slide and say, "What a shame, someone should have helped him so it didn't have to come to this?" I am continually amazed by how a person's religious beliefs dictate how we treat them.

Thanks for the link Maurile. I can't imagine how hard it would be to show restraint when dealing with the imbeciles that she encounters.

Yeah, because people's feelings being hurt is the real issue. Safety/taking extra precautions>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Feelings being hurt/being PC

That lady is 100 percent correct and as a spouse of an active duty service member, her opinion should always be considered. She lives the life, she walks the walk. For her life isn't in a homogeneous existence where routine and familiarity breeds contempt for anything different.

Are you saying I have contempt for her? Didnt you stick your arrogant foot in your mouth already in this thread? Yes you did. Don't speak for me DD.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Thanks for the link Maurile. I can't imagine how hard it would be to show restraint when dealing with the imbeciles that she encounters.Yeah, because people's feelings being hurt is the real issue. Safety/taking extra precautions>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Feelings being hurt/being PC

what does her story have to do with safety?

People dont want to racial profile, question people, because they are afraid of hurt feelings which makes us less safe. That is what this story is, it's to shame people from doing what has to be done to make us safe. I've already seen many other of these types of stories all over the media, it's damage control and an attempt to shame officials from doing the right things to keep us safe. Hurt feelings will have to come second, sorry Aaron.

So should I go home tonight and question and doubt my next door neighbor who I've known for 5 years now, just to be safe? He's muslim and owns his own construction/contracting business. If he gets mad at me, should I tell him to deal with it?Please advise.

Why go that far? Jjust call the FBI and tell them you have Muslims in your neighborhood.

 

[ArcticEdge]

Thanks for the link Maurile. I can't imagine how hard it would be to show restraint when dealing with the imbeciles that she encounters.Yeah, because people's feelings being hurt is the real issue. Safety/taking extra precautions>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Feelings being hurt/being PC

what does her story have to do with safety?

People dont want to racial profile, question people, because they are afraid of hurt feelings which makes us less safe. That is what this story is, it's to shame people from doing what has to be done to make us safe. I've already seen many other of these types of stories all over the media, it's damage control and an attempt to shame officials from doing the right things to keep us safe. Hurt feelings will have to come second, sorry Aaron.

So should I go home tonight and question and doubt my next door neighbor who I've known for 5 years now, just to be safe? He's muslim and owns his own construction/contracting business. If he gets mad at me, should I tell him to deal with it?Please advise.

Well, if you see him holding anti-American meetings, you might want to report him.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

what does her story have to do with safety?

People dont want to racial profile, question people, because they are afraid of hurt feelings which makes us less safe. That is what this story is, it's to shame people from doing what has to be done to make us safe. I've already seen many other of these types of stories all over the media, it's damage control and an attempt to shame officials from doing the right things to keep us safe. Hurt feelings will have to come second, sorry Aaron.

were you also a big fan of the Japanese-American concentration camps during WWII? Is there a line that shouldn't be crossed in the name of "safety"?

 

[urbanhack]

Thanks for the link Maurile. I can't imagine how hard it would be to show restraint when dealing with the imbeciles that she encounters.Yeah, because people's feelings being hurt is the real issue. Safety/taking extra precautions>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Feelings being hurt/being PC

what does her story have to do with safety?

People dont want to racial profile, question people, because they are afraid of hurt feelings which makes us less safe. That is what this story is, it's to shame people from doing what has to be done to make us safe. I've already seen many other of these types of stories all over the media, it's damage control and an attempt to shame officials from doing the right things to keep us safe. Hurt feelings will have to come second, sorry Aaron.

So should I go home tonight and question and doubt my next door neighbor who I've known for 5 years now, just to be safe? He's muslim and owns his own construction/contracting business. If he gets mad at me, should I tell him to deal with it?Please advise.

Well, if you see him holding anti-American meetings, you might want to report him.

I just want to take extra precautions, AE. It was you who said that the woman above just has to deal with it. Hurt feelings will just have to come second bro.

 

[SKribbles]

what does her story have to do with safety?

People dont want to racial profile, question people, because they are afraid of hurt feelings which makes us less safe. That is what this story is, it's to shame people from doing what has to be done to make us safe. I've already seen many other of these types of stories all over the media, it's damage control and an attempt to shame officials from doing the right things to keep us safe. Hurt feelings will have to come second, sorry Aaron.

So should I go home tonight and question and doubt my next door neighbor who I've known for 5 years now, just to be safe? He's muslim and owns his own construction/contracting business. If he gets mad at me, should I tell him to deal with it?Please advise.

Well, if you see him holding anti-American meetings, you might want to report him.

I just want to take extra precautions, AE. It was you who said that the woman above just has to deal with it. Hurt feelings will just have to come second bro.

5 years?!?! And you're still alive?!?!? Just to be safe, report yourself to the FBI. You could very well be a terrorist yourself and not know it.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

That lady is 100 percent correct and as a spouse of an active duty service member, her opinion should always be considered. She lives the life, she walks the walk. For her life isn't in a homogeneous existence where routine and familiarity breeds contempt for anything different.

Are you saying I have contempt for her? Didnt you stick your arrogant foot in your mouth already in this thread? Yes you did. Don't speak for me DD.

Pretty sure you have really poor reading comprehension.

 

[RBM]

People dont want to racial profile, question people, because they are afraid of hurt feelings which makes us less safe. That is what this story is, it's to shame people from doing what has to be done to make us safe. I've already seen many other of these types of stories all over the media, it's damage control and an attempt to shame officials from doing the right things to keep us safe. Hurt feelings will have to come second, sorry Aaron.

 

[ArcticEdge]

what does her story have to do with safety?

People dont want to racial profile, question people, because they are afraid of hurt feelings which makes us less safe. That is what this story is, it's to shame people from doing what has to be done to make us safe. I've already seen many other of these types of stories all over the media, it's damage control and an attempt to shame officials from doing the right things to keep us safe. Hurt feelings will have to come second, sorry Aaron.

were you also a big fan of the Japanese-American concentration camps during WWII? Is there a line that shouldn't be crossed in the name of "safety"?

"Fan". Really? That's the word you are going to use? I'm not a fan of any of it. However, racial profiling, more in depth background checking and questioning a guy, especially in our military, who says anti-American things, seems reasonable.