Shortstop - Fantasy 2011 (1 Viewer)

[ttiger72]

Lots of ?'s here after the Big Two, what are some good values after these guys are off the board? TIA.

 

[bweiser]

You probably want to mention the Big 2 since I'm not sure there would be 100 percent agreement on who those are.

I'm just happy I own Tulowitzki.

 

[ttiger72]

You probably want to mention the Big 2 since I'm not sure there would be 100 percent agreement on who those are.I'm just happy I own Tulowitzki.

This is shtick, right?

 

[the moops]

You probably want to mention the Big 2 since I'm not sure there would be 100 percent agreement on who those are.I'm just happy I own Tulowitzki.

This is shtick, right?

It is a tough call between Tulo, Jeter and Hanley.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I hate Reyes, FWIW.

 

[Bogart]

You probably want to mention the Big 2 since I'm not sure there would be 100 percent agreement on who those are.I'm just happy I own Tulowitzki.

This is shtick, right?

It is a tough call between Tulo, Jeter and Hanley.

Especially in leagues where you get extra points for Gold Gloves, Lack of Defensive Range and having relations with girls from Friday Night Lights.You know, pretty much every league out there.

 

[the moops]

I hate Reyes, FWIW.

There is zero chance he is even in the conversation. Right?

 

[harryhood]

Hanley

Tulo

Reyes

Rollins

Andrus

Alexi

Castro

Jeter

Drew

Furcal

If waited and got them at a fairly cheap price, I would be very happy with Reyes/Rollins/Andrus if he was paired with a solid core of power guys.

 

[thetman]

If you don't know Tulo and Hanley are the top 2, then you probably need to quit.

 

[ttiger72]

Hanley

Tulo

Reyes

Rollins

Andrus

Alexi

Castro

Jeter

Drew

Furcal

If waited and got them at a fairly cheap price, I would be very happy with Reyes/Rollins/Andrus if he was paired with a solid core of power guys.

Andrus doesn't really, you know, hit well.

 

[Captain Hook]

I used the early rankings that the ESPN crew did a few weeks ago for a series to look at the Top Ten for each position on examiner.com. Here is the column on shortstops.....

Top 10 shortstops for 2011 fantasy baseball drafts

January 28th, 2011 12:09 pm ET.

Getting back to a review of the ESPN writers/analysts Top Ten lists by positions,

we finish the infield today with the shortstops. ESPN ratings were:

Shortstop Top 10

1. Hanley Ramirez, Florida

2. Troy Tulowitzki, Colorado

3. Jose Reyes, NY Mets

4. Derek Jeter, NY Yankees

5. Jimmy Rollins, Philadelphia

6. Elvis Andrus, Texas

7. Alexei Ramirez, Chicago White Sox

8. Stephen Drew, Arizona

9. Ian Desmond, Washington

10. Rafael Furcal, LA Dodgers

The first two might flip in personal preference with Hanley’s stolen bases more attractive than Tulo’s broader power numbers but they are clearly the best.

After that we have a ton of questions on return to health and production with Reyes, Rollins, and Furcal or deterioration or anomaly with Jeter.

I think Andrus is clearly overrated at #6 – he doesn’t have any power to help your teams (at least yet). I would rather have the Cubs teenager Starlin Castro over Andrus or Stephen Drew who must still be rated for potential over actual production. At least the Cuban missile – Alexei Ramirez is a potential 20-20 hitter in your lineup.

And if the gang at ESPN was betting so heavily on recovery from the stars, what about Jason Bartlett? No he won’t hit as many home runs in Petco but playing every day without as much pressure will likely push him well over twenty stolen bases and he will still have more home runs than Andrus.

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Continue reading on Examiner.com: Top 10 shortstops for 2011 fantasy baseball drafts - National Fantasy Sports | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/fantasy-sports-in-...s#ixzz1CjXLz0AQ

 

[harryhood]

Hanley

Tulo

Reyes

Rollins

Andrus

Alexi

Castro

Jeter

Drew

Furcal

If waited and got them at a fairly cheap price, I would be very happy with Reyes/Rollins/Andrus if he was paired with a solid core of power guys.

Andrus doesn't really, you know, hit well.

He is not a 15-20 HR threat that is for sure but moving forward I could easily see him maintain an avg around .280 while chipping in with 40+SB, 100R and 50 RBI.

That's not the worst 4 cat's from a thin position if you surround him with power at other positions. Like I said, for the price you can get him at, those number would mesh well with a solid core(1B, 3B, 2B, OF)

He is also 22 and has a lot of room to improve on last years totals.

 

[ttiger72]

Hanley

Tulo

Reyes

Rollins

Andrus

Alexi

Castro

Jeter

Drew

Furcal

If waited and got them at a fairly cheap price, I would be very happy with Reyes/Rollins/Andrus if he was paired with a solid core of power guys.

Andrus doesn't really, you know, hit well.

He is not a 15-20 HR threat that is for sure but moving forward I could easily see him maintain an avg around .280 while chipping in with 40+SB, 100R and 50 RBI.

That's not the worst 4 cat's from a thin position if you surround him with power at other positions. Like I said, for the price you can get him at, those number would mesh well with a solid core(1B, 3B, 2B, OF)

He is also 22 and has a lot of room to improve on last years totals.

He's never hit for power at any level.

 

[RnR]

He's never hit for power at any level.

For whatever reason, people want to equate him to a young Jose Reyes.

 

[Balco]

I hate Reyes, FWIW.

I spent $50 on him one year and he played about 2 weeks.

 

[dparker713]

Stephen Drew who must still be rated for potential over actual production.

Why would you rate Drew for potential over production? He's had over 2700 PAs in the bigs over 5 years. He is what he is, which with the current state of SS is pretty good.

 

[MAC_32]

Plan A - take Furcal and hope I'm first to the waiver wire when he gets hurt and Dee Gordon gets the call

Plan B - take Desmond right after Stephen Drew leaves the board

I'm planning on taking a shot on Asdrubal late in all leagues, stash him on the bench, wait a few weeks, and hope his injury plagued 2010 was a fluke and he breaks out like he was supposed to last year.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

This position is a train wreck. I have no idea what to do about it during a draft. Punt SS?

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Drew still strikes me as the best combo of value and production that won't kill you anywhere

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Hanley

Tulo

Reyes

Rollins

Andrus

Alexi

Castro

Jeter

Drew

Furcal

If waited and got them at a fairly cheap price, I would be very happy with Reyes/Rollins/Andrus if he was paired with a solid core of power guys.

Andrus doesn't really, you know, hit well.

He is not a 15-20 HR threat that is for sure but moving forward I could easily see him maintain an avg around .280 while chipping in with 40+SB, 100R and 50 RBI.

That's not the worst 4 cat's from a thin position if you surround him with power at other positions. Like I said, for the price you can get him at, those number would mesh well with a solid core(1B, 3B, 2B, OF)

He is also 22 and has a lot of room to improve on last years totals.

Andrus might hit 20 HRs in his career. He's a better OBP play than an average play to me, but I think he's gonna cost quite a bit more than 35-40 steals and ok avg numbers. I think you are thinking you can get him cheap, I think he's generally going to be overpriced.

 

[Eephus]

Drew still strikes me as the best combo of value and production that won't kill you anywhere

I'm curious about his ADP. He may be overvalued coming off a good year at a thin position. It might be better to wait than reach, especially in leagues without a MI slot.

 

[RnR]

This position is a train wreck. I have no idea what to do about it during a draft. Punt SS?

Yes. I have 3 end-game SS's that are guaranteed to bring home a league title. This five-star platinum lock is only available to subscribers at BaseballTangent.com.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Drew still strikes me as the best combo of value and production that won't kill you anywhere

I'm curious about his ADP. He may be overvalued coming off a good year at a thin position. It might be better to wait than reach, especially in leagues without a MI slot.

Yeah, it definitely depends on his VBD

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Where do you guys put Nishioka here?

 

[MAC_32]

Where do you guys put Nishioka here?

Desperation play if I miss all of Furcal, Desmond, and Asdrubal...although I expect him to go before Asdrubal.I suspect you will need to pass up on some quality players if you want to get Stephen Drew, if he falls out of the top 150 or so then he's absolutely worth a pick then but I doubt that will happen given how thin SS is this year.

 

[Eephus]

Where do you guys put Nishioka here?

I don't have his as high as Bill Smith does

 

[Captain Hook]

well here is some ADP - both from 15 team, mixed, $$ leagues drafted in December and January

S. Drew - 7.04 then 9.06

Nishioka - 13.04 and 13.03

AsCab - 20.08 and 20.04

 

[Sam Quentin]

This position is a train wreck. I have no idea what to do about it during a draft. Punt SS?

Yes. I have 3 end-game SS's that are guaranteed to bring home a league title. This five-star platinum lock is only available to subscribers at BaseballTangent.com.

:subscribe:

 

[Balco]

I have been burned by spending big $$$ on shortstops the last several years (Furcal, Reyes, Rollins), so I am not spending much at all here. Might bite on Drew if he is really cheap, but if not, I am looking at guys like JJ Hardy. I am going after 1B to anchor my lineup.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

well here is some ADP - both from 15 team, mixed, $$ leagues drafted in December and JanuaryS. Drew - 7.04 then 9.06Nishioka - 13.04 and 13.03AsCab - 20.08 and 20.04

I like Drew in the 9th a lot more then in the 7th (obviously)I am guessing that by time drafts roll around the former will unfortunately be his ADP

 

[Eephus]

well here is some ADP - both from 15 team, mixed, $$ leagues drafted in December and JanuaryS. Drew - 7.04 then 9.06Nishioka - 13.04 and 13.03AsCab - 20.08 and 20.04

I like Drew in the 9th a lot more then in the 7th (obviously)I am guessing that by time drafts roll around the former will unfortunately be his ADP

It's kind of hard to convert 15 team draft results to a 12 team format. There obviously are more picks per round but VBD also comes more into play, particularly at thin positions. I like Drew in round 9 better than Nishioka in round 13. I don't think Nishioka's SBs will translate into American baseball. He led the league in CS last year. To me, he looks like a two category producer at best. Even then, AVG is no slam dunk and if he can't hit well enough to stay at the top of the order, he'll be no great shakes in R.

 

[Captain Hook]

It's kind of hard to convert 15 team draft results to a 12 team format. There obviously are more picks per round but VBD also comes more into play, particularly at thin positions.

Twelve team mixed league is awfully shallow and the draft points would be significantly different NFBC = 15 team mixedWCOBF = 14 team mixed (with tenth P slot and more reserve spots)Personally I would rather play in deep single league formats or 18 team mixed formats which reward more drafting and team management skills than playing in All Star leagues

 

[Eephus]

It's kind of hard to convert 15 team draft results to a 12 team format. There obviously are more picks per round but VBD also comes more into play, particularly at thin positions.

Twelve team mixed league is awfully shallow and the draft points would be significantly different NFBC = 15 team mixedWCOBF = 14 team mixed (with tenth P slot and more reserve spots)Personally I would rather play in deep single league formats or 18 team mixed formats which reward more drafting and team management skills than playing in All Star leagues

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I've been on Drew's jock for years now. Never seems to pay off.

 

[Captain Hook]

I've been on Drew's jock for years now. Never seems to pay off.

Maybe if you would get off it he could play better.......

 

[shadyridr]

I hate Reyes, FWIW.

I dunno man. He seems like the type of player who would have a HUGE contract year and cash in for $100m in the offseason.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I hate Reyes, FWIW.

I dunno man. He seems like the type of player who would have a HUGE contract year and cash in for $100m in the offseason.

Then roll the dice. Have fun.

 

[shadyridr]

I hate Reyes, FWIW.

I dunno man. He seems like the type of player who would have a HUGE contract year and cash in for $100m in the offseason.

Then roll the dice. Have fun.

I have the 3rd pick in a keeper league. Im counting my blessings that I can pick Hanley and not worry about this crappy position.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I hate Reyes, FWIW.

I dunno man. He seems like the type of player who would have a HUGE contract year and cash in for $100m in the offseason.

Then roll the dice. Have fun.

It's bad business counting a guy out. He will probably be able to be had in the 3rd or 4th. It's not that bad of a value.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I used the early rankings that the ESPN crew did a few weeks ago for a series to look at the Top Ten for each position on examiner.com. Here is the column on shortstops.....

Top 10 shortstops for 2011 fantasy baseball drafts

January 28th, 2011 12:09 pm ET.

Getting back to a review of the ESPN writers/analysts Top Ten lists by positions,

we finish the infield today with the shortstops. ESPN ratings were:

Shortstop Top 10

1. Hanley Ramirez, Florida

2. Troy Tulowitzki, Colorado

3. Jose Reyes, NY Mets

4. Derek Jeter, NY Yankees

5. Jimmy Rollins, Philadelphia

6. Elvis Andrus, Texas

7. Alexei Ramirez, Chicago White Sox

8. Stephen Drew, Arizona

9. Ian Desmond, Washington

10. Rafael Furcal, LA Dodgers

The first two might flip in personal preference with Hanley’s stolen bases more attractive than Tulo’s broader power numbers but they are clearly the best.

After that we have a ton of questions on return to health and production with Reyes, Rollins, and Furcal or deterioration or anomaly with Jeter.

I think Andrus is clearly overrated at #6 – he doesn’t have any power to help your teams (at least yet). I would rather have the Cubs teenager Starlin Castro over Andrus or Stephen Drew who must still be rated for potential over actual production. At least the Cuban missile – Alexei Ramirez is a potential 20-20 hitter in your lineup.

And if the gang at ESPN was betting so heavily on recovery from the stars, what about Jason Bartlett? No he won’t hit as many home runs in Petco but playing every day without as much pressure will likely push him well over twenty stolen bases and he will still have more home runs than Andrus.

..

Continue reading on Examiner.com: Top 10 shortstops for 2011 fantasy baseball drafts - National Fantasy Sports | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/fantasy-sports-in-...s#ixzz1CjXLz0AQ

22 year old Andrus overrated at 6th?......no. 36/37 year old Jeter overrated at 4th....uh yeah.

 

[RnR]

22 year old Andrus overrated at 6th?......no. 36/37 year old Jeter overrated at 4th....uh yeah.

Not mutually exclusive. They're probably both a little overrated.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

22 year old Andrus overrated at 6th?......no.

Sorry, but yes. He offers speed and little else.

 

[shadyridr]

In my points league Jeter was the 2nd ranked SS last yr

 

[the moops]

In my points league Jeter was the 2nd ranked SS last yr

Another reason why point system leagues suck.

 

[shadyridr]

In my points league Jeter was the 2nd ranked SS last yr

Another reason why point system leagues suck.

To each their own. I hate the daily grind of the roto league. Id rather be in a more luck based H2H pts league for the fun factor.

 

[the moops]

In my points league Jeter was the 2nd ranked SS last yr

Another reason why point system leagues suck.

To each their own. I hate the daily grind of the roto league. Id rather be in a more luck based H2H pts league for the fun factor.

Don't you see an issue with one of the worst offensive starting SS (in 2010), coming in 2nd place?

 

[shadyridr]

In my points league Jeter was the 2nd ranked SS last yr

Another reason why point system leagues suck.

To each their own. I hate the daily grind of the roto league. Id rather be in a more luck based H2H pts league for the fun factor.

Don't you see an issue with one of the worst offensive starting SS (in 2010), coming in 2nd place?

Not really. The reason for him coming in 2nd was Tulo got hurt plus his HUGE advantage in runs scored and BBs. It seems in a standard 5X5 league (which uses OBP & Runs) he would have those same advantages.

 

[RnR]

In my points league Jeter was the 2nd ranked SS last yr

Another reason why point system leagues suck.

To each their own. I hate the daily grind of the roto league. Id rather be in a more luck based H2H pts league for the fun factor.

Don't you see an issue with one of the worst offensive starting SS (in 2010), coming in 2nd place?

Not really. The reason for him coming in 2nd was Tulo got hurt plus his HUGE advantage in runs scored and BBs. It seems in a standard 5X5 league (which uses OBP & Runs) he would have those same advantages.

What's your scoring system? I'm trying to figure out how Jeter would have outscored Hanley or Tulo in any points set up.

 

[shadyridr]

What's your scoring system? I'm trying to figure out how Jeter would have outscored Hanley or Tulo in any points set up.

He outscored Tulo by 2pts cuz he played more games than him. The scoring system is:R = 1ptBB = 1pt1B = 1pt2B = 2pt3B = 3ptHR = 4ptRBI = 1ptSB = 2ptCS= -1pt

 

[RnR]

What's your scoring system? I'm trying to figure out how Jeter would have outscored Hanley or Tulo in any points set up.

He outscored Tulo by 2pts cuz he played more games than him. The scoring system is:R = 1ptBB = 1pt1B = 1pt2B = 2pt3B = 3ptHR = 4ptRBI = 1ptSB = 2ptCS= -1pt

I've got Tulo at 519 in 122 games, Jeter at 517 in 157. Maybe I counted wrong.