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Should / Can this be VETO'ed ? (1 Viewer)

Can / Should this trade be veto'ed ?? (see below)


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Dirk Digler

Footballguy
Im the commish of a league, I need outside opinions as this trade involves my franchise.

First it has been conceited that there is absolutely no collusion involved in this trade. Usually, that would be the end of this conversation and the trade would stand as a matter of individual owner opinions. No cheating (collusion) / No veto'ing has been my longstanding policy.But this involves me so its not as easy as just ignoring the owners that disagree with the trade being "fair".

If it matters, this is a multi-trade trade that started w/ Team 2 giving up Thompkins & Hartline for Nicks* & McFadden* to combine McFadden & Jennings together to aquire a WR1.

Scoring: PPR, 12 teams

Start: 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 RB/WR Flex, 1 WR/TE Flex, 1 TE, 1 DEF & 1 K

TEAM 1: (4-0 Record)

QB- Manning

RB- Snelling, PThomas, LBell, ABradshaw, Reece

WR- Dez, DJax, Marshall, Shorts, SMoss, VBrown, TWilliams

TE- Olsen

(and a def & k)

TEAM 2 (0-4 Record)

QB- Vick, Pryor

RB- TRich, DWilson, LMiller, GBernard, McFadden, Jennings

WR- Fitz, Nicks*, Royal, Kerley, PHarvin

TE- Cameron, Gronk

(and a def & k)

TEAM 2 TRADES....... McFadden / Jennings for Marshall from TEAM 1.

Should this trade be veto'ed / reversed ?

please give opinions.

 
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Dirk Digler

Footballguy
?? Really ?? You put in a lot of effort in your post for such an even trade.
I know. To me it no where near veto range.

but whatever, I appreciate the effort getting outside opinions so I put the effort into posting this.

But I have a couple owners requesting a vote about the "fairness".. Because it involves me, Im asking for unbias, experienced commishes and FF ballers to chime in.

 
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Buzzbait

Footballguy
Absolutely not. It's not even something that requires a second of consideration or further discussion. If your league is complaining about this then they are, as the previous poster commented, whiners.

 
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Chaos Commish

Footballguy
Not even worth considering a veto.

An 0-4 team has done some nice work to improve.

A 4-0 team is buying RB security.

You know the league members better than any of us, so handle them accordingly, but allowing them to block this trade would be an awful precedent. They should be cheering this type of activity going forward. There's alot of dead leagues out there.

In the leagues I commish there's no votes and no commish review. A trade happens as soon as it is accepted. I write an explanation why this is the best way to handle trades -- mutual trust, minding our own teams, everyone trying to win, doing what's best for their team in their opinion. I treat them like adults and expect them to act like adults. If someone is dumb, then someone is dumb. It isn't the job of a nosy league consensus or an overbearing commish to try to make them smart.

eta, before anyone asks. I do reserve the right to reverse obvious collusion. In my explanation I refer to it, jokingly, as reversing evil. Trades happen instantly so there's no waiting around for me. I've commished leagues for a long long time and never vetoed a trade. I'd like to see more leagues grow up and use these settings.

 
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Craig_MiamiFL

Footballguy
No collusion. No veto.

Owners that ##### about trades like this either need to be more active sending out offers or get involved in a no trade league.

 

Hoss Style

Footballguy
I had the exact same situation happen with this same owner a couple (2) years ago I posted it here too. http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=609961&hl=

Im at work, so a little busy i cant deal with this in full right now.

but appears he's saying / lobbying the other owners via that the "integrity of the league" is at stake.

I will likely link this thread in my league page when I can...
Sounds like the only "integrity of the league" issue is this sausage-bag owner. Rallying other owners to veto/complain about a trade that isn't even CLOSE to being a horrible trade.

I hate owners like this and if they persist (like you say this guy has in the past) to cause stupid and needless problems for the leauge I don't hesitate to raise a vote to get them booted the following season.

 
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DoubleG

Footballguy
if they have a problem with this trade then you might as well disallow all trades.
:goodposting:

Can we have a pinned thread that simply says "No collusion = No veto"? Please????

Sadly, there are FF owners who think vetoing trades is part of FF strategy - it's not. Making them is.

 

Dirk Digler

Footballguy
Just realized if my league mates don't have memeberships here they can't see the results...

As of now it's...40 votes.

Can / should this trade be reversed or vetoed

39 votes NO

1 vote to YES

 

Dirk Digler

Footballguy
Yeah I understand,

I have issues with your and you're and all sorts of gramaticals thingys that forum nazis hate me for.

I'm not a smaaaart man Jenny

 
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Captain Hook

Footballguy
Dirk Digler said:
Im the commish of a league, I need outside opinions as this trade involves my franchise.

First it has been conceited that there is absolutely no collusion involved in this trade. Usually, that would be the end of this conversation and the trade would stand as a matter of individual owner opinions. No cheating (collusion) / No veto'ing has been my longstanding policy.But this involves me so its not as easy as just ignoring the owners that disagree with the trade being "fair".

If it matters, this is a multi-trade trade that started w/ Team 2 giving up Thompkins & Hartline for Nicks* & McFadden* to combine McFadden & Jennings together to aquire a WR1.

Scoring: PPR, 12 teams

Start: 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 RB/WR Flex, 1 WR/TE Flex, 1 TE, 1 DEF & 1 K

TEAM 1: (4-0 Record)

QB- Manning

RB- Snelling, PThomas, LBell, ABradshaw, Reece

WR- Dez, DJax, Marshall, Shorts, SMoss, VBrown, TWilliams

TE- Olsen

(and a def & k)

TEAM 2 (0-4 Record)

QB- Vick, Pryor

RB- TRich, DWilson, LMiller, GBernard, McFadden, Jennings

WR- Fitz, Nicks*, Royal, Kerley, PHarvin

TE- Cameron, Gronk

(and a def & k)

TEAM 2 TRADES....... McFadden / Jennings for Marshall from TEAM 1.

Should this trade be veto'ed / reversed ?

please give opinions.
The trade should NOT be vetoed

But the thread should be

 

mbuehner

Footballguy
The more of these threads I see (and the answer is ALWAYS 'no', btw), the more I realize the commish asking really just wants to veto the trade for some reason or other, and is looking for somebody's blessing to do what they know they shouldnt.

Golden Rule- if you need to ask the answer is no.

 

Dirk Digler

Footballguy
I'm the commish and I'm not looking to or going to veto anything,

I just wanted outside fantasy footballers to confirm how absurd this conversation about reversing this trade is without having to write a book.

I been here 10 years cut me some slack. Lol. Thanks all.

 
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Jersey35

Footballguy
The fact that you brought it here for third party opinions proves you're interested in the integrity of your league. No way does this get vetoed. It wouldn't even make a stop at my desk on its trip to Approvalville.

 
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TakiToki

Footballguy
The only thing that should be put to a league vote is if the whiners should be allowed back in the league next year.

 

DropKick

Footballguy
Dirk Digler said:
Im the commish of a league, I need outside opinions as this trade involves my franchise.

First it has been conceited that there is absolutely no collusion involved in this trade. Usually, that would be the end of this conversation and the trade would stand as a matter of individual owner opinions. No cheating (collusion) / No veto'ing has been my longstanding policy.But this involves me so its not as easy as just ignoring the owners that disagree with the trade being "fair".

If it matters, this is a multi-trade trade that started w/ Team 2 giving up Thompkins & Hartline for Nicks* & McFadden* to combine McFadden & Jennings together to aquire a WR1.

Scoring: PPR, 12 teams

Start: 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 RB/WR Flex, 1 WR/TE Flex, 1 TE, 1 DEF & 1 K

TEAM 1: (4-0 Record)

QB- Manning

RB- Snelling, PThomas, LBell, ABradshaw, Reece

WR- Dez, DJax, Marshall, Shorts, SMoss, VBrown, TWilliams

TE- Olsen

(and a def & k)

TEAM 2 (0-4 Record)

QB- Vick, Pryor

RB- TRich, DWilson, LMiller, GBernard, McFadden, Jennings

WR- Fitz, Nicks*, Royal, Kerley, PHarvin

TE- Cameron, Gronk

(and a def & k)

TEAM 2 TRADES....... McFadden / Jennings for Marshall from TEAM 1.

Should this trade be veto'ed / reversed ?

please give opinions.
No... and the word is "conceded"

 

PatsWillWin

Footballguy
Since we're doing you a favor and letting you pollute the SP with crap because your leaguemates are morons, do us a favor and link the thread discussion in your league.

 

Zaphod

Two heads are better than one
I had the exact same situation happen with this same owner a couple (2) years ago I posted it here too. http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=609961&hl=

Im at work, so a little busy i cant deal with this in full right now.

but appears he's saying / lobbying the other owners via that the "integrity of the league" is at stake.

I will likely link this thread in my league page when I can...
LOL, I had to go back and I apparently voted fair on that one as well. I agree with the previous poster in that you might want to take a closer look at the 'source' of the problem. I wouldn't advocate kicking an owner without a long history of good reasons, but he is certainly approaching that realm if not already there.

 

Leonidas

Footballguy
Since we're doing you a favor and letting you pollute the SP with crap because your leaguemates are morons, do us a favor and link the thread discussion in your league.
This.

Attention: Anybody and everybody whining about that trade: Shut the hell up.

 

DoubleG

Footballguy
this thread can probably be deleted so no one else accidentally clicks on it/reads it like i did
Sadly, there are at least a couple of people who think this is a valid complaint (or a couple who can't read or are just being ####s or just clicked on the wrong thing by accident).

But the fact that someone in Dirk's league is whining - or even worse, considering vetoing this deal, sadly shows that this thread is somewhat necessary.

 

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