Should rushing TDs be 7 points in PPR leagues? (1 Viewer)

[Marc Levin]

You get the bonus point for a reception in PPR leagues.

So, shouldn't the points for TDs be balanced out in PPR leagues?

Or, do we give the extra point b/c receiving TDs are less common? If that is the case, then shouldn't receiving TDs get a bonus point over rushing TDs in non-PPR leagues?

Obviously fractional PPR leagues - esp. .25 PPR leagues are a bit different, so the question is less important in those kinds of leagues.

 

[Mike Anderson]

I always wanted to see 2 points for a TE reception. But that's not really on topic.

 

[[scooter]]

You get the bonus point for a reception in PPR leagues.So, shouldn't the points for TDs be balanced out in PPR leagues?

No. The whole point of PPR is to make WRs closer to RBs in value. As soon as you try to balance out the TD values, then suddenly WRs are devalued again.

 

[Kleck.]

They should be 6.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I think all TDs (and by TD I mean the player who crossed the goalline) should be 2 or 3 points.

 

[SSOG]

I think all TDs (and by TD I mean the player who crossed the goalline) should be 2 or 3 points.

Actually, I take the opposite approach. I think all rushing/receiving yardage should be 1 point for 5 yards. In the end, it works out the same (doubles the value of yardage comparable to touchdowns).

 

[videoguy505]

Was thinking about this for defenses, in my league a DST TD is 6 pts, but we also award 3 points for an INT or Fumble... which is necessary for all but punt/kick return TDs. So an INT for a TD is really 9 points.

 

[Marc Levin]

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You get the bonus point for a reception in PPR leagues.So, shouldn't the points for TDs be balanced out in PPR leagues?

No. The whole point of PPR is to make WRs closer to RBs in value. As soon as you try to balance out the TD values, then suddenly WRs are devalued again.

Doesn't PPR also make pass catching RBs even more valuable as compared to most RBs?Seems unfair. I don't think it is one easy answer regarding value.

 

[Marc Levin]

Was thinking about this for defenses, in my league a DST TD is 6 pts, but we also award 3 points for an INT or Fumble... which is necessary for all but punt/kick return TDs. So an INT for a TD is really 9 points.

We make all defensive TDs worth 4 points since we already gave 2 points for the turnover.We don't reward ST TDs more - which is a mistake, since there is no turnover.

 

[bos]

Read Pasquino's "Points Per Deception" article among this season's preseason strategy articles. He makes a compelling argument for the value of a "points-per-firstdown-reception rule, as contrasted with vanilla PPR.

This scoring addresses Marc Levin's concern about overly rewarding pass-catching RB's. RB's reach first-down on passes less frequently than WR's. RB dumpoff passes, in particular, rarely achieve first down.

As another example, an immediate post-snap pass to a WR contributes little more to a team's success than a handoff or toss to an RB. The probability of reception in the pass, but average yards gained is fewer than a traditional pass. Pasquino states that points-per-firstdown reception might be more palatable to fantasy purists who believe that standard PPR is far too generous for screen passes, dumpoff passes, and (I add) immediate passes.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Read Pasquino's "Points Per Deception" article among this season's preseason strategy articles. He makes a compelling argument for the value of a "points-per-'firstdown reception'" rule, as contrasted with vanilla PPR.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Was thinking about this for defenses, in my league a DST TD is 6 pts, but we also award 3 points for an INT or Fumble... which is necessary for all but punt/kick return TDs. So an INT for a TD is really 9 points.

We make all defensive TDs worth 4 points since we already gave 2 points for the turnover.We don't reward ST TDs more - which is a mistake, since there is no turnover.

I still stick with the "Defending Reality" argument about how to score defenses.Two years running, it correlates well with real defenses and gives a good score in comparison to WRs.

 

[SOmojo]

None of this makes any sense to me. All the leagues I play in have different rules, you simply draft accordingly. I don't get all this "fair" "unfair" talk. Everyone is within the same rules at the beginning so just draft your team, make your waiver moves and trades, and most important...............Just shut up and play the damn game!

 

[Bri]

can we get safeties to be more than 2 points please? Thanks

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

None of this makes any sense to me. All the leagues I play in have different rules, you simply draft accordingly. I don't get all this "fair" "unfair" talk. Everyone is within the same rules at the beginning so just draft your team, make your waiver moves and trades, and most important...............Just shut up and play the damn game!

The point here is to whether the scoring system makes each position about worth one another.If you have a scoring system were RBs get 20-30 and WRs struggle to get 10, that will promote the RB heavy draft. If you make WRs worth comparable value, WRs will get drafted sooner.That was the original argument for PPR, along with starting 3 WRs.

 

[SOmojo]

I guess, still doesn't make sense to me. What is the reasoning for making things fair? are receivers getting their feelings hurt? are running backs now complaining because they are being drafted as early in fantasy drafts?

Seriously, why does this matter? multiple league formats and multiple rules, just draft accordingly.

Is it because it becomes too hard to find "cheasheets" to fit your league?

 

[Bri]

The point here is to whether the scoring system makes each position about worth one another.

I think people don't give enough credit to less "off" weeks for WRs in PPR leagues. 5 for 50 is 10 points, as you know.I don't like that so much, somewhere between 50 and 70 yards I think "eh" but their score instead is pretty good. I guess I miss the old days where every league had bonuses for 100 yard games.

 

[Bri]

What is the reasoning for making things fair? are receivers getting their feelings hurt?

 

[Bri]

You get the bonus point for a reception in PPR leagues.So, shouldn't the points for TDs be balanced out in PPR leagues?Or, do we give the extra point b/c receiving TDs are less common? If that is the case, then shouldn't receiving TDs get a bonus point over rushing TDs in non-PPR leagues?Obviously fractional PPR leagues - esp. .25 PPR leagues are a bit different, so the question is less important in those kinds of leagues.

When passing TDs=3 or 4 points becomes a super common rule, then I bet people will re-discuss the other TDs. Many just like 6 across the board though

 

[bos]

None of this makes any sense to me. All the leagues I play in have different rules, you simply draft accordingly. I don't get all this "fair" "unfair" talk. Everyone is within the same rules at the beginning so just draft your team, make your waiver moves and trades, and most important...............Just shut up and play the damn game!

There're two factors which influence scoring systems. One is a gameplay problem: how do you develop a scoring system that maximizes strategical thinking. In the extreme, a scoring system which gives 100 points per reception would be awful because it requires drafting the best WRs possible and screw the rest of the positions. The "standard" scoring system probably overly prioritizes RB's (and perhaps QBs in small leagues). "Take 2 RBs" draft strategies for large traditional leagues exemplify this . . . there is less thought required in the draft about what to do because RBs are more important than other positions.The other factor is a realism problem. Points should accurately reflect a player's contribution to his team's success. A league manager who drafts a player should generally be rewarded when that player "does well" from a football perspective, not from some arbitrary rules.There is perhaps a third goal, to which many leagues do not necessarily aspire. It is whether a fantasy team resembles a real team, including similar final scoring. It is the underlying basis for making most TD's equal 6 pts.

 

[SOmojo]

remember folks, this is "fantasy football", not real football.

If you want to keep your leagues real, pair up into two teams and play some good ole fashion 6 man football like the small schools play. If tackling is an issue, stick some velcro flags to your sides and make it flag football.

That is, if you really want to keep it real.

 

[bos]

remember folks, this is "fantasy football", not real football. If you want to keep your leagues real, pair up into two teams and play some good ole fashion 6 man football like the small schools play. If tackling is an issue, stick some velcro flags to your sides and make it flag football. That is, if you really want to keep it real.

Part of the fun is the resemblance, however vague, to managing a real football team.

 

[comfortably numb]

remember folks, this is "fantasy football", not real football. If you want to keep your leagues real, pair up into two teams and play some good ole fashion 6 man football like the small schools play. If tackling is an issue, stick some velcro flags to your sides and make it flag football. That is, if you really want to keep it real.

It sounds like your in an entirely different discussion.I'm not sure you ge tthe point to his post.Marc Levin, was not complaining or whinning about things not being fair because he lost or something.He is not saying his WR's suck becuase of this, nor does he care about WR feelings. I am sure he knows the rules to all his leagues.He is addressing the overall value of the WR in leagues.A way to bring their value up, or bring RB values down, to even out the scoring system.

 

[oso diablo]

I still stick with the "Defending Reality" argument about how to score defenses.

Two years running, it correlates well with real defenses and gives a good score in comparison to WRs.

I like it. Any chance those 2 new defensive stats (new to FF anyway) will be part of VBD and DD next year?

 

[VaCatFan]

Through 4 weeks in 2 non-ppr leagues (6pts for all TD's) I play in, here's the breakdown for the top 30

League1 League2

Def 7 5

QB 15 19

RB 5 3

WR 1 1

TE 0 0

K 2 2

League 1 starts 1qb, 1-2rbs, 2-3wrs, 1-2tes, 1def, 1k

League 2 starts 1qb, 0-2rbs, 3-5wrs, 1te, 1def, 1k

First year for me in both of these leagues. I've never dealt with leagues that had over 50% of the top 30 being QB's. I just thought it was strange that backup qb's are having more value than starting rb's and wr's.

First TE doesn't show up until #108 in league1 and #116 in league2.

Doesn't reallly prove anything. Just odd breakout of the top 30.

 

[GregR_2]

I always wanted to see 2 points for a TE reception. But that's not really on topic.

We have this in the descendant of Survivor II from a few years ago: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=260586I don't like that system. 2 pt TE receptions, 1 pt WR receptions, nothing for RB. A very mediocre day by a TE can be worth as much as a great day by another player. I think a much better method is to bump up the number of TEs and WRs used, and go with 1 pt TE reception, .5 WR, and .25 (or 0) RB receptions.

We use that in my dynasty, where we can start 1 QB, 2 RB, 1 flex QB/RB, 4 WR, 2 TE, 1 flex WR/TE. Since QBs outscore RB and WR outscore TE it amounts to 2 QB, 2 RB, 5 WR, 2 TE most weeks, but you have some leeway on bye weeks because the extra spots are flex. There are more strategies one can consider in a system like this... though making it auction-based still keeps the skill factor high.

 

[JayMan]

Read Pasquino's "Points Per Deception" article among this season's preseason strategy articles. He makes a compelling argument for the value of a "points-per-'firstdown reception'" rule, as contrasted with vanilla PPR.

very and excellent idea...Since inception - the main complaint about PPR leagues is that some (if not the majority) of the points RBs gets from catching passes are: screen passes / checkdowns / dump-offs... where the RB might gain no yard or even lose some!...

This idea is the perfect match - if your TE (ala Heap this year) catches 4 passes for 3 yards each - none that gives the Ravens a first down... I don't think he's more valuable than Watson who catches only 1 pass for 35 yards and gets the Pats at the GL...

In my opinion, this re-establish the "accomplishment" of catching a pass...

I would be interested in seeing (if someone has access to actual numbers from past years) - as how it would affect the % of PPR - RBs / WRs / TEs gets as a whole... (for example: in '03 53% of the passes caught by RBs resulted in a first down... while 78% of the passes caught by a WRs resulted in a first down)...

(One last note - I would imagine that catching a TD pass would give PPR - even if "technically" it doesn't give the team a first down)...

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Read Pasquino's "Points Per Deception" article among this season's preseason strategy articles. He makes a compelling argument for the value of a "points-per-'firstdown reception'" rule, as contrasted with vanilla PPR.

very and excellent idea...Since inception - the main complaint about PPR leagues is that some (if not the majority) of the points RBs gets from catching passes are: screen passes / checkdowns / dump-offs... where the RB might gain no yard or even lose some!...

This idea is the perfect match - if your TE (ala Heap this year) catches 4 passes for 3 yards each - none that gives the Ravens a first down... I don't think he's more valuable than Watson who catches only 1 pass for 35 yards and gets the Pats at the GL...

In my opinion, this re-establish the "accomplishment" of catching a pass...

I would be interested in seeing (if someone has access to actual numbers from past years) - as how it would affect the % of PPR - RBs / WRs / TEs gets as a whole... (for example: in '03 53% of the passes caught by RBs resulted in a first down... while 78% of the passes caught by a WRs resulted in a first down)...

(One last note - I would imagine that catching a TD pass would give PPR - even if "technically" it doesn't give the team a first down)...

I sincerely hope you're a subscriber, as it is all in my article (back to 2003):Points Per Deception

Table 1 covers that answer.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I still stick with the "Defending Reality" argument about how to score defenses.

Two years running, it correlates well with real defenses and gives a good score in comparison to WRs.

I like it. Any chance those 2 new defensive stats (new to FF anyway) will be part of VBD and DD next year?

Do you mean the "forced punts" and "4th down turnovers"?

 

[CalBear]

You get the bonus point for a reception in PPR leagues.So, shouldn't the points for TDs be balanced out in PPR leagues?Or, do we give the extra point b/c receiving TDs are less common? If that is the case, then shouldn't receiving TDs get a bonus point over rushing TDs in non-PPR leagues?

You're not getting an "extra" point for a TD reception; you're being rewarded for two different things. For example, if you gain 10 yards on the ground, you get one point, whlie if you gain 10 yards on a reception, you get two points. If you gain 10 yards and a TD on the ground, you get 7 points, while if you gain 10 points and a TD on a reception, you get 8. That's inherent to PPR; it makes no logical sense to reduce the scoring for receiving TDs if you've made the decision to reward receptions.

 

[Marc Levin]

Was thinking about this for defenses, in my league a DST TD is 6 pts, but we also award 3 points for an INT or Fumble... which is necessary for all but punt/kick return TDs. So an INT for a TD is really 9 points.

We make all defensive TDs worth 4 points since we already gave 2 points for the turnover.We don't reward ST TDs more - which is a mistake, since there is no turnover.

I still stick with the "Defending Reality" argument about how to score defenses.Two years running, it correlates well with real defenses and gives a good score in comparison to WRs.

maybe i missed it.Where's the data on defensive/ST TDs?

 

[Marc Levin]

You get the bonus point for a reception in PPR leagues.So, shouldn't the points for TDs be balanced out in PPR leagues?Or, do we give the extra point b/c receiving TDs are less common? If that is the case, then shouldn't receiving TDs get a bonus point over rushing TDs in non-PPR leagues?

You're not getting an "extra" point for a TD reception; you're being rewarded for two different things. For example, if you gain 10 yards on the ground, you get one point, whlie if you gain 10 yards on a reception, you get two points. If you gain 10 yards and a TD on the ground, you get 7 points, while if you gain 10 points and a TD on a reception, you get 8. That's inherent to PPR; it makes no logical sense to reduce the scoring for receiving TDs if you've made the decision to reward receptions.

I know that - what you are saying doesn't change my point.TDs are a different animal than rewarding yardage.

 

[Marc Levin]

remember folks, this is "fantasy football", not real football. If you want to keep your leagues real, pair up into two teams and play some good ole fashion 6 man football like the small schools play. If tackling is an issue, stick some velcro flags to your sides and make it flag football. That is, if you really want to keep it real.

as comfortably numb said - I am just talking about "value" for players within ther "fantasy" realm.No complaints - this is a serious question on how we run PPR leagues and what the reasoning is behind it.Also contemplating a rule change for one of my leagues for next year, so I am gathering some thoughts.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

You get the bonus point for a reception in PPR leagues.So, shouldn't the points for TDs be balanced out in PPR leagues?Or, do we give the extra point b/c receiving TDs are less common? If that is the case, then shouldn't receiving TDs get a bonus point over rushing TDs in non-PPR leagues?

You're not getting an "extra" point for a TD reception; you're being rewarded for two different things. For example, if you gain 10 yards on the ground, you get one point, whlie if you gain 10 yards on a reception, you get two points. If you gain 10 yards and a TD on the ground, you get 7 points, while if you gain 10 points and a TD on a reception, you get 8. That's inherent to PPR; it makes no logical sense to reduce the scoring for receiving TDs if you've made the decision to reward receptions.

You get a point for the catch and points for the TD. they're two separate things, by making TDs worth 5 you're looking at the final product of a TD rather than what points were actually awarded for.

 

[Marc Levin]

You get the bonus point for a reception in PPR leagues.So, shouldn't the points for TDs be balanced out in PPR leagues?Or, do we give the extra point b/c receiving TDs are less common? If that is the case, then shouldn't receiving TDs get a bonus point over rushing TDs in non-PPR leagues?

You're not getting an "extra" point for a TD reception; you're being rewarded for two different things. For example, if you gain 10 yards on the ground, you get one point, whlie if you gain 10 yards on a reception, you get two points. If you gain 10 yards and a TD on the ground, you get 7 points, while if you gain 10 points and a TD on a reception, you get 8. That's inherent to PPR; it makes no logical sense to reduce the scoring for receiving TDs if you've made the decision to reward receptions.

You get a point for the catch and points for the TD. they're two separate things, by making TDs worth 5 you're looking at the final product of a TD rather than what points were actually awarded for.

I disagree - you are rewarding the receiving TD at the same amount as a rushing TD. We reward passing TDs only 4 in some leagues to "normalize" QB TDs - why not the same thing for receiving TDs? RBs who receive a TD get the same 5 points plus one for the reception.I'm still not getting why the response addresses the concept of "TD value."

 

[cstu]

You get the bonus point for a reception in PPR leagues.So, shouldn't the points for TDs be balanced out in PPR leagues?Or, do we give the extra point b/c receiving TDs are less common? If that is the case, then shouldn't receiving TDs get a bonus point over rushing TDs in non-PPR leagues?

You're not getting an "extra" point for a TD reception; you're being rewarded for two different things. For example, if you gain 10 yards on the ground, you get one point, whlie if you gain 10 yards on a reception, you get two points. If you gain 10 yards and a TD on the ground, you get 7 points, while if you gain 10 points and a TD on a reception, you get 8. That's inherent to PPR; it makes no logical sense to reduce the scoring for receiving TDs if you've made the decision to reward receptions.

You get a point for the catch and points for the TD. they're two separate things, by making TDs worth 5 you're looking at the final product of a TD rather than what points were actually awarded for.

Still it doesn't make a lot of sense for RB's to get 6 and for WR's to get 7 when they are both doing their jobs. That's my main problem with PPR and I would rather have receiving yards worth 1 pt/5 yards than PPR if your goal is to even out RB and WR scoring.

 

[Marc Levin]

You get the bonus point for a reception in PPR leagues.So, shouldn't the points for TDs be balanced out in PPR leagues?Or, do we give the extra point b/c receiving TDs are less common? If that is the case, then shouldn't receiving TDs get a bonus point over rushing TDs in non-PPR leagues?

You're not getting an "extra" point for a TD reception; you're being rewarded for two different things. For example, if you gain 10 yards on the ground, you get one point, whlie if you gain 10 yards on a reception, you get two points. If you gain 10 yards and a TD on the ground, you get 7 points, while if you gain 10 points and a TD on a reception, you get 8. That's inherent to PPR; it makes no logical sense to reduce the scoring for receiving TDs if you've made the decision to reward receptions.

You get a point for the catch and points for the TD. they're two separate things, by making TDs worth 5 you're looking at the final product of a TD rather than what points were actually awarded for.

Still it doesn't make a lot of sense for RB's to get 6 and for WR's to get 7 when they are both doing their jobs. That's my main problem with PPR and I would rather have receiving yards worth 1 pt/5 yards than PPR if your goal is to even out RB and WR scoring.

That's why a lot of leagues will reward .5 PPR - which makes more sense to me than a straight 1/PPR.cstu understands my point about TD value. I think others are missing the concept - I am not objecting to PPR. I understand the point of it. Nor am I coimplaining.I am just trying to see if there is a logic behind rewarding all receiving *TDs* an extra point. This could simply be that we have never thought of/discussed the concept that a receiving TD is worth more than a rushing TD in PPR leagues.

 

[CalBear]

I disagree - you are rewarding the receiving TD at the same amount as a rushing TD. We reward passing TDs only 4 in some leagues to "normalize" QB TDs - why not the same thing for receiving TDs? RBs who receive a TD get the same 5 points plus one for the reception.I'm still not getting why the response addresses the concept of "TD value."

Yes, in typical PPR systems receiving TDs are valued at the same amount as rushing TDs. I don't think you've put forth any plausible argument for why that should not be so. I also think that 4 point TDs for QBs is silly.

 

[Marc Levin]

I disagree - you are rewarding the receiving TD at the same amount as a rushing TD. We reward passing TDs only 4 in some leagues to "normalize" QB TDs - why not the same thing for receiving TDs? RBs who receive a TD get the same 5 points plus one for the reception.I'm still not getting why the response addresses the concept of "TD value."

Yes, in typical PPR systems receiving TDs are valued at the same amount as rushing TDs. I don't think you've put forth any plausible argument for why that should not be so. I also think that 4 point TDs for QBs is silly.

They are NOT valued the same in typical PPR leagues. They are automatically valued one point higher than rushing TDs.My response above was to the statement that valuing receiving TDs at 5 points instead of 6 points values rushing and receiving TDs the same.

 

[Marc Levin]

p.s. - I'm not arguing against anything. I am trying to find out WHY we value receiving TDs a point more in PPR leagues.

 

[CalBear]

I disagree - you are rewarding the receiving TD at the same amount as a rushing TD. We reward passing TDs only 4 in some leagues to "normalize" QB TDs - why not the same thing for receiving TDs? RBs who receive a TD get the same 5 points plus one for the reception.

I'm still not getting why the response addresses the concept of "TD value."

Yes, in typical PPR systems receiving TDs are valued at the same amount as rushing TDs. I don't think you've put forth any plausible argument for why that should not be so. I also think that 4 point TDs for QBs is silly.

They are NOT valued the same in typical PPR leagues. They are automatically valued one point higher than rushing TDs.My response above was to the statement that valuing receiving TDs at 5 points instead of 6 points values rushing and receiving TDs the same.

No, a receiving TD is not valued more highly than a rushing TD. You get 6 points either way. If it's a receiving TD, you also necessarily got one point for the reception, but it's not part of the TD score. If a defensive sack forces a fumble which is picked up and returned for a TD, you get 8 points; one for the sack, one for the fumble, six for the TD. It would make no sense to ignore the sack just because it wound up resulting in a fumble or a TD--similarly, it makes no sense to ignore a reception just because it wound up resulting in a TD.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

I disagree - you are rewarding the receiving TD at the same amount as a rushing TD. We reward passing TDs only 4 in some leagues to "normalize" QB TDs - why not the same thing for receiving TDs? RBs who receive a TD get the same 5 points plus one for the reception.

I'm still not getting why the response addresses the concept of "TD value."

Yes, in typical PPR systems receiving TDs are valued at the same amount as rushing TDs. I don't think you've put forth any plausible argument for why that should not be so. I also think that 4 point TDs for QBs is silly.

They are NOT valued the same in typical PPR leagues. They are automatically valued one point higher than rushing TDs.My response above was to the statement that valuing receiving TDs at 5 points instead of 6 points values rushing and receiving TDs the same.

I think this is just a fundamental difference. Me and CalBear see TDs being worth 6 and a reception being worth one, where as you see the final product being worth 7. Therefore Me and Cal see rec and rushing TDs as being valued equally while you don't.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

No, a receiving TD is not valued more highly than a rushing TD. You get 6 points either way. If it's a receiving TD, you also necessarily got one point for the reception, but it's not part of the TD score.

If a defensive sack forces a fumble which is picked up and returned for a TD, you get 8 points; one for the sack, one for the fumble, six for the TD. It would make no sense to ignore the sack just because it wound up resulting in a fumble or a TD--similarly, it makes no sense to ignore a reception just because it wound up resulting in a TD.

Good example

 

[Marc Levin]

I disagree - you are rewarding the receiving TD at the same amount as a rushing TD. We reward passing TDs only 4 in some leagues to "normalize" QB TDs - why not the same thing for receiving TDs? RBs who receive a TD get the same 5 points plus one for the reception.

I'm still not getting why the response addresses the concept of "TD value."

Yes, in typical PPR systems receiving TDs are valued at the same amount as rushing TDs. I don't think you've put forth any plausible argument for why that should not be so. I also think that 4 point TDs for QBs is silly.

They are NOT valued the same in typical PPR leagues. They are automatically valued one point higher than rushing TDs.My response above was to the statement that valuing receiving TDs at 5 points instead of 6 points values rushing and receiving TDs the same.

No, a receiving TD is not valued more highly than a rushing TD. You get 6 points either way. If it's a receiving TD, you also necessarily got one point for the reception, but it's not part of the TD score. If a defensive sack forces a fumble which is picked up and returned for a TD, you get 8 points; one for the sack, one for the fumble, six for the TD. It would make no sense to ignore the sack just because it wound up resulting in a fumble or a TD--similarly, it makes no sense to ignore a reception just because it wound up resulting in a TD.

In reality, you automatically value it more - normalizinfg receiving TDs to compensate for the fact that the "receiving" part of it automatically gets a point. You also obviously missed my point above (followed by Jeff's awesome articles) that, in my leagues, we reward ST/D TDs 4 points instead of 6 because you got two points for the turnover. It is unfair to ST TDs to do that.

 

[Marc Levin]

No, a receiving TD is not valued more highly than a rushing TD. You get 6 points either way. If it's a receiving TD, you also necessarily got one point for the reception, but it's not part of the TD score.

If a defensive sack forces a fumble which is picked up and returned for a TD, you get 8 points; one for the sack, one for the fumble, six for the TD. It would make no sense to ignore the sack just because it wound up resulting in a fumble or a TD--similarly, it makes no sense to ignore a reception just because it wound up resulting in a TD.

Good example

not really - I already compensated for that in this league by rewarding D TDs 4 points.Passing TDs are also reowarded 6 points - this way, all TDs end up in 6 points except for receiving TDs which are worth 7 and ST TDs which are worth 4. next year, ST TDs will be worth a bonus 2 points.

I am contemplating making receiving TDs worth 5 so that all TDs will result in the owner getting 6 points for their player scoring a TD. If it is a QB/RB/WR, you will also get your TD yardage.

 

[Marc Levin]

Can anyone tell me, quite simply, the reasoninh behind rewarding PPR receiving TDs 7 points?

If you can't, then they should be rewarded 5 points.

 

[Marc Levin]

Conversely, is there any reason NOT to raise rushing TDs to 7 points in a PPR league?

 

[TheLastDispatch]

No, a receiving TD is not valued more highly than a rushing TD. You get 6 points either way. If it's a receiving TD, you also necessarily got one point for the reception, but it's not part of the TD score.

If a defensive sack forces a fumble which is picked up and returned for a TD, you get 8 points; one for the sack, one for the fumble, six for the TD. It would make no sense to ignore the sack just because it wound up resulting in a fumble or a TD--similarly, it makes no sense to ignore a reception just because it wound up resulting in a TD.

Good example

not really - I already compensated for that in this league by rewarding D TDs 4 points.Passing TDs are also reowarded 6 points - this way, all TDs end up in 6 points except for receiving TDs which are worth 7 and ST TDs which are worth 4. next year, ST TDs will be worth a bonus 2 points.

I am contemplating making receiving TDs worth 5 so that all TDs will result in the owner getting 6 points for their player scoring a TD. If it is a QB/RB/WR, you will also get your TD yardage.

Compensate? Why? Just because it ends up in a TD they shouldnt get a point for the sack? You're going to award a receiver a point for everytime he catches a ball, unless its in the endzone? (that's essentially what you would be doing by making rec TDs worth 5) Why? Why should that catch not count?I'm not following the logic here. Like I said before though, I think it's a fundamental difference in how we see points awarded.

 

[CalBear]

Can anyone tell me, quite simply, the reasoninh behind rewarding PPR receiving TDs 7 points?

If you can't, then they should be rewarded 5 points.

Because getting a reception and scoring a TD are independent events. Receiving TDs are not awarded 7 points; they are awarded 6. A rushing TD from the 10 yard line is not awarded 7 points; the TD is 6 points, the yardage is 1 point. A sack resulting in a fumble is not rewarded two points; the sack is rewarded one and the fumble is rewarded one. If you want to argue the merits of rewarding points for receptions, that's a different discussion. But it makes no sense to reduce scoring for one event based on another independent event.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

Can anyone tell me, quite simply, the reasoninh behind rewarding PPR receiving TDs 7 points?If you can't, then they should be rewarded 5 points.

Here it is: They aren't. My scoring system plainly says this "Receiving Touchdown: 6 pointsReception: 1 point"A touchdown isn't worth 7 points. It's worth 6 and the catch is worth one. Saying it's worth 7 is like saying if an RB braks an 80 yard TD run you're awarding 14 points for the TD. You're not. You're awarding 6 for the TD and 8 for the yardage.