Should the Bears get a new quarterback? (1 Viewer)

[Reaper]

CANCER!

 

[urbanhack]

IT'S HIS FIRST YEAR AS A FULLTIME STARTER PEOPLE!

And????????Sorry, he's not the answer. Gotta give Orton a chance next year.He's STILL throwing off his back foot for christ's sake

That's 2 seasons Grossman has cost the Bears. I still think they should have stuck with Orton and let him QB this year. I don't understand the Bears' fascination with Grossman, who's good one game and terrible the next.

Orton stinks. He's horrible. With the Bears defense not as strong as last year, Orton's 13-27, 110 yards and 1 interception wouldn't cut it.

Dude was a rookie running a watered-down offense, what kind of numbers did you expect?

 

[Chase Stuart]

For posterityShould the Bears get a new quarterback?Yes [ 8 ] [23.53%] No [ 26 ] [76.47%]

Should the Bears get a new quarterback?Yes [ 94 ] ** [64.83%]No [ 51 ] ** [35.17%]Total Votes: 145So before the Super Bowl, 8/34 people (23.5%) said the Bears should get a new QB; since the SB started, 88 out of 111 people (79.3%) said the Bears should get a new QB. Over 3/4 voters switched opinions following the Super Bowl.

 

[greenroom]

For posterityShould the Bears get a new quarterback?Yes [ 8 ] [23.53%] No [ 26 ] [76.47%]

Should the Bears get a new quarterback?Yes [ 94 ] ** [64.83%]No [ 51 ] ** [35.17%]Total Votes: 145So before the Super Bowl, 8/34 people (23.5%) said the Bears should get a new QB; since the SB started, 88 out of 111 people (79.3%) said the Bears should get a new QB. Over 3/4 voters switched opinions following the Super Bowl.

Well 3/4 of the voters did not switch opinions after the super bowl. Since the presuperbowl voters cannot revote. I would think its more of the people who decided to vote after the superbowl.At the beginning of the year would the Bears fan's be happy if they made the Superbowl with Grossman?? I would be willing to bet that 90% of them would of been happy. Did Grossman have a bad game yes, but so did pretty much the rest of the team. There is enough blame to pass around. Is Grossman a great QB no, but he did get the job done enough to get there. How many other QB's last year were able to do that?

 

[bostonfred]

For posterityShould the Bears get a new quarterback?Yes [ 8 ] [23.53%] No [ 26 ] [76.47%]

Should the Bears get a new quarterback?Yes [ 94 ] ** [64.83%]No [ 51 ] ** [35.17%]Total Votes: 145So before the Super Bowl, 8/34 people (23.5%) said the Bears should get a new QB; since the SB started, 88 out of 111 people (79.3%) said the Bears should get a new QB. Over 3/4 voters switched opinions following the Super Bowl.

Well 3/4 of the voters did not switch opinions after the super bowl. Since the presuperbowl voters cannot revote. I would think its more of the people who decided to vote after the superbowl.At the beginning of the year would the Bears fan's be happy if they made the Superbowl with Grossman?? I would be willing to bet that 90% of them would of been happy. Did Grossman have a bad game yes, but so did pretty much the rest of the team. There is enough blame to pass around. Is Grossman a great QB no, but he did get the job done enough to get there. How many other QB's last year were able to do that?

I think the blame falls squarely on the offense. They never got two first downs in a drive. When they scored, it was near-instantaneous, like the opening kickoff. The defense can't be faulted for being exhausted. They should have run more, even with the loss of Benson, if only to try to sustain a drive. But once the Colts got ahead, it really fell on Grossman to score, and he just wasn't on. That formula worked remarkably well this season, all things considered. The Bears were good enough on defense and special teams that they could make up for Grossman's inadequacies, and, in turn, he was able to go for the big play and hope to connect. And there really wasn't a team in the NFC that was good enough to force him out of that style of play. So yes, they made it to the Superbowl, but it really was in spite of Grossman, not because of him.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

Grossman will have another season to prove he can last a full season and/or correct his stupid mistakes.

I don't buy this crap that he was a 'rookie QB' this year. And at the same time, I understand he was an inexperienced NFL quarterback.

Time will tell....

Who knows after Week 8 of '07 maybe Grossman won't want to be back with the Bears.

He's currently the most maligned figure in Chicago sports lore since Steve Bartman.

In the grand scheme of things, there are a lot worse quarterbacks playing in the NFC:

http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/NFC/QB...&_1:col_1=6

8th in completions

6th in yardage

He's just got be stop having the clunker games and inopportune mistakes which happen during the fourth quarter.

I still have faith in Rex, and I'm cautiously optimistic he can improve.

 

[Chase Stuart]

In the grand scheme of things, there are a lot worse quarterbacks playing in the NFC:

http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/NFC/QB...&_1:col_1=6

8th in completions

6th in yardage

He's 6th in attempts, too.Being 6th in yardage and 8th in completions is mediocre when you're 6th in attempts. He's 4th in TDs which is above average, but he's 2nd in INTs which is pretty bad. There are only 3 full time starting QBs in the NFC with worse QB ratings -- Brett Favre, Brad Johnson and Bruce Gradkowski. Favre and Johnson will be out of the league by 2008, and Gradkowski might be as well.

I don't agree that there are a lot worse QBs playing in the NFC. I'll agree that there are several QBs with less potential then Grossman, but even that's pretty shaky. I like the guy and think he might be good, but my arguments for being pro-Rex Grossman wouldn't begin with looking at his 2006 season totals.

 

[greenroom]

For posterityShould the Bears get a new quarterback?Yes [ 8 ] [23.53%] No [ 26 ] [76.47%]

Should the Bears get a new quarterback?Yes [ 94 ] ** [64.83%]No [ 51 ] ** [35.17%]Total Votes: 145So before the Super Bowl, 8/34 people (23.5%) said the Bears should get a new QB; since the SB started, 88 out of 111 people (79.3%) said the Bears should get a new QB. Over 3/4 voters switched opinions following the Super Bowl.

Well 3/4 of the voters did not switch opinions after the super bowl. Since the presuperbowl voters cannot revote. I would think its more of the people who decided to vote after the superbowl.At the beginning of the year would the Bears fan's be happy if they made the Superbowl with Grossman?? I would be willing to bet that 90% of them would of been happy. Did Grossman have a bad game yes, but so did pretty much the rest of the team. There is enough blame to pass around. Is Grossman a great QB no, but he did get the job done enough to get there. How many other QB's last year were able to do that?

I think the blame falls squarely on the offense. They never got two first downs in a drive. When they scored, it was near-instantaneous, like the opening kickoff. The defense can't be faulted for being exhausted. They should have run more, even with the loss of Benson, if only to try to sustain a drive. But once the Colts got ahead, it really fell on Grossman to score, and he just wasn't on. That formula worked remarkably well this season, all things considered. The Bears were good enough on defense and special teams that they could make up for Grossman's inadequacies, and, in turn, he was able to go for the big play and hope to connect. And there really wasn't a team in the NFC that was good enough to force him out of that style of play. So yes, they made it to the Superbowl, but it really was in spite of Grossman, not because of him.

Problem with your blame is that the offence only had 19 plays in the 1st half and went what was it 54 minutes with out being on the field. So the Defence could not stop the Colts and get the offence on the field untill Grossman was "forced" into trying to make plays that the Chicago offence is not set up to do. Before Grossman started turning the ball over. ANd the playcalling did not help out Grossman IMO.The Bears got to the Superbowl because of its Defence, and if the Bears were going to win it would of been with its Defence. But the type of offence that the Bears run is not a QB friendly offence. I am not saying Grossman is the best QB, but with what they had on the roster and to be honest what is availble in free agents he is just as good.Everyone is really high on Jeff Garcia... but how did he do in Cleveland and Detroit?? I am not a fan of Griese at all he is a journey mans QBI would like to see what Orton could do since they ran a kids version of the offence when he was starting.Grossman will be in a contract year next year, so I personally think he will be better.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

In the grand scheme of things, there are a lot worse quarterbacks playing in the NFC:

http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/NFC/QB...&_1:col_1=6

8th in completions

6th in yardage

He's 6th in attempts, too.Being 6th in yardage and 8th in completions is mediocre when you're 6th in attempts. He's 4th in TDs which is above average, but he's 2nd in INTs which is pretty bad. There are only 3 full time starting QBs in the NFC with worse QB ratings -- Brett Favre, Brad Johnson and Bruce Gradkowski. Favre and Johnson will be out of the league by 2008, and Gradkowski might be as well.

I don't agree that there are a lot worse QBs playing in the NFC. I'll agree that there are several QBs with less potential then Grossman, but even that's pretty shaky. I like the guy and think he might be good, but my arguments for being pro-Rex Grossman wouldn't begin with looking at his 2006 season totals.

Keep in mind I still hate Rex Grossman and pretty much blame him for the Bears loss in the Super Bowl. I'm trying to 'take emotion' out of my post though.I know his QB rating and completion percentage aren't that good, but he had the second most 100.0+ QB Rating games in the NFL last year (2nd to Bulger). He just has to manage his suckiness much better.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I like the guy and think he might be good, but my arguments for being pro-Rex Grossman wouldn't begin with looking at his 2006 season totals.

he had the second most 100.0+ QB Rating games in the NFL last year (2nd to Bulger).

That's exactly where I'd start.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

I like the guy and think he might be good, but my arguments for being pro-Rex Grossman wouldn't begin with looking at his 2006 season totals.

he had the second most 100.0+ QB Rating games in the NFL last year (2nd to Bulger).

That's exactly where I'd start.

....and the most games below a 40.0 QB rating

 

[bostonfred]

I think the blame falls squarely on the offense. They never got two first downs in a drive. When they scored, it was near-instantaneous, like the opening kickoff. The defense can't be faulted for being exhausted. They should have run more, even with the loss of Benson, if only to try to sustain a drive. But once the Colts got ahead, it really fell on Grossman to score, and he just wasn't on. That formula worked remarkably well this season, all things considered. The Bears were good enough on defense and special teams that they could make up for Grossman's inadequacies, and, in turn, he was able to go for the big play and hope to connect. And there really wasn't a team in the NFC that was good enough to force him out of that style of play. So yes, they made it to the Superbowl, but it really was in spite of Grossman, not because of him.

Problem with your blame is that the offence only had 19 plays in the 1st half and went what was it 54 minutes with out being on the field. So the Defence could not stop the Colts and get the offence on the field untill Grossman was "forced" into trying to make plays that the Chicago offence is not set up to do. Before Grossman started turning the ball over. ANd the playcalling did not help out Grossman IMO.The Bears got to the Superbowl because of its Defence, and if the Bears were going to win it would of been with its Defence. But the type of offence that the Bears run is not a QB friendly offence. I am not saying Grossman is the best QB, but with what they had on the roster and to be honest what is availble in free agents he is just as good.Everyone is really high on Jeff Garcia... but how did he do in Cleveland and Detroit?? I am not a fan of Griese at all he is a journey mans QBI would like to see what Orton could do since they ran a kids version of the offence when he was starting.Grossman will be in a contract year next year, so I personally think he will be better.

But that's just the point. Grossman wasn't forced into making plays. The problem was well before the turnovers - the best thing for the team would have been for him to convert a couple first downs. But he couldn't do that, so the defense was on the field, and he ended up having to throw deep. The best way to beat the Bears is to take away the deep stuff, because Grossman's so inconsistent on the short stuff that he eventually starts winging it into coverage. When it works, he looks like a genius. When it doesn't, he looks like he did in the Superbowl.