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You were trading for his 3 most valuable players and only giving Rivers/Donald Jones and a released Winslow. You want sympathy?
Having said that, stuff like this is why leagues shouldn't use the trade feature on FF websites. How hard is it to negotiate a deal, come to a meeting of the minds, and have BOTH TEAMS notify the comish. Zero chance for error/buyers remorse that way. Theres never been a mistake in my league and there never will be. This is a case where old fashioned works much better than modern technology.
Then you don't have all the boxes checked - because I do in several leagues I am in
You obviously didnt read his thread correctlyHe made the offer which wasn't accepted until 30 minutes after he offered .... THEN he said the Jones were different
When did that happen?I'm a commissioner and like others have said, I would leave it up to the owner that was offered the deal.
This is not an interface error. The problem here obviously lies between the chair and the keyboard. Don't most sites confirm that you want to trade who you are offering? Either way, he offered the trade. He should have looked at it again in his pending moves and pulled it back if it clearly was not his intention. One minute after it is accepted is one minute too late.
Yeah, that never happened, and saying that to the league is just going to exacerbate the problem. It's completely within the realm of reason to doubt the OP's story unless you think every fantasy tale is like George Washington and the cherry tree.In my league I would overturn because the rules explicitly state that if you notify the league within 2 minutes, your error will be undone. So it doesn't even matter if he meant to offer Julio or not, he either retracted it in time or he didn't.
In mfl if u even tap accept on the email you received it will be a done deal, which is why i do all my trade negotiations in email/chat with confirmation, before sending a trade through
I totally agree! Knowing that most managers have smartphones and will have access to act on the offer instantly (via email or logging into MFL), I triple check that the right players from my end are involved.
Not sure why this part even matters, many of you are hung up on itI'm with this too.You were trading for his 3 most valuable players and only giving Rivers/Donald Jones and a released Winslow. You want sympathy?
They weren't his 3 most valuable players, it's dynasty. Did you go back and look at this roster(blackmon/d. wilson)?Here's my reasoning whether you agree with it or not.This guy isn't competing this season, not even close(worst team in the league). So a 29 year old Steven Jackson isn't helping his cause, but rather hurting him. When his team develops into a playoff caliber team: Tony Romo will be 34 and possibly not the QB of the Cowboys, Steven Jackson will be 31 and no longer a starting RB, and Pierre Garcon will be 28.The core of his team: David Wilson, Blackmon, S. Hill, R. Randle, J. Baldwin, N. Toon, Crabtree. Winning a couple of games this year is actually counterproductive. He should continue to build for the future considering he doesn't have all the pieces in place yet.I projected out that the first round pick I'm trading him has the 3rd worst roster in the league. The trade is him improving his QB by getting 2 years younger and the first round pick for parts that won't help him. Steven Jackson/Garcon for a Marcus Lattimore/Keenan Allen/Robert Woods type. Moving forward he would have two of the top 3 picks in the next draft and then have: Lattimore/Wilson at RB with Blackmon/Woods/Hill/Randle/Baldwin/Toon/Crabtree. Plus he gains two roster spots to grab some of his young sleepers.I'm not a believer in P. Garcon or S. Jackson. I was going to package them with others on my roster + Romo to upgrade at QB possibly or at another position.Because you were trying to rape him, then when you accidentally offered him a fairer trade, you cried foul.Not sure why this part even matters, many of you are hung up on itI'm with this too.You were trading for his 3 most valuable players and only giving Rivers/Donald Jones and a released Winslow. You want sympathy?
That language is offensive, lets not use it.You don't agree with my reasoning, I understand. But Steven Jackson doesn't even start on my team. I don't think Pierre Garcon is a 1,000 yard WR. We all value players differently in this hobby.Because you were trying to rape him, then when you accidentally offered him a fairer trade, you cried foul.Not sure why this part even matters, many of you are hung up on itI'm with this too.You were trading for his 3 most valuable players and only giving Rivers/Donald Jones and a released Winslow. You want sympathy?
This is irrelevant. His team is horrible, I have one of the best in the league. Do you know what rebuilding means?Julio Jones is a 1st round dynasty pick. Plus he gets a high 1st round rookie pick and get a younger QB...yeah that's even close to fairJust to be clearossibility Romo outscores Rivers for the next few years: coinflip.Possibility Garcon outscores Julio Jones for the next few years: far less than a coinflip, but also pretty far from zero. Garcon's a talent, a #1 WR, and is in a great spot with good chemistry with his rookie QB. Julio's a stud, but I can see at least slight chances Garcon ends up in the same breath by year's end.Possibility that Sjax outscores the dead roster space: virtually 100% chance that he outscores a hole in the roster by huge amounts.Add in the future draft pick, and ultimately I agree that the side getting Julio probably gets an advantage. But I don't think it's a slam dunk one. The other trade is a slaughter. This one is at least justifiable.
This trade quit belonging to you when you posted it here. It's now the intellectual property of the Shark Pool. We'll decide when we're done mocking it.
I hope it makes you feel better about yourself behind that little keyboard and monitor then.
I stand by my first post, if the other owner wants to play nice that is fine. You messed up and you should live with it. You first trade offer was horrible and when I start trades my first offer always favors me but not like that. You can take this however you want but it is obvious that the league isn't run very well, when you make a mistake and cry foul to get it over turned, the other owner, who has a right to be angry, but goes off the deep end and threatens to hunt you and the commish down, (probably over a 100 dollar or less league) and a commish that holds his owners hands because they can't get it right on your own. Glad I am not in this league
This is irrelevant.We all value players differently in this hobby.Not sure why this part even matters, many of you are hung up on itI'm with this too.You were trading for his 3 most valuable players and only giving Rivers/Donald Jones and a released Winslow. You want sympathy?
thx for keeping us posted.any waiver claims yet?
This is a tough one.1) It should (ethically) be reversed if it was an honest mistake.2) It shouldn't (ethically) be reversed if OP got cold feet or changed his mind.But it isn't always clear which one it is, because OP obviously could have a motive in claiming it was an accident even if it wasn't. Sometimes you have to go with a hard and fast rule that puts the burden on the offerer to be sure of what he's offering. Trying to make judgment calls between 1 and 2 and then voting on it can be bad mojo. People vote out of self-interest rather than an honest assessment. People vote to settle a score carried over from last year. The guy who loses the vote carries a grudge and returns the favor at some point in the future.In a friends league, I'd reverse it. But that's because I trust the guys in my main league. They have integrity outside of the game and in it.In a league with strangers or casual acquaintances, I'd be tempted to let it stand just to establish a bright line rule. Be careful what you post. It's a choice between two possibilities and I have less of a problem making OP suffer from his own error than I do making the accepting owner suffer because OP got cold feet. So when in doubt, I side against the party that made the offer because they were either false (at worst) or negligent (at best).'Birdie048 said:
Ditto. You offered to rob him blind and then get upset when you rob yourself blind?I agree with that too.You were trading for his 3 most valuable players and only giving Rivers/Donald Jones and a released Winslow. You want sympathy?
I wouldn't call it handholding. Seems like an honest mistake. If so, I'd overturn it.ETA: I don't really blame the other owner though for thinking it was legit. Julio made that offer fair.
I disagree. This exactly why leagues have a commish - to right mistakes like this. I'm a commish, for like 15yrs of my local, and I would have sent out an email explaining what happened and why I reversed it and that would have been that. Human error happens and when it's correctable, it should be.
But how do you determine if he legitimately made a mistake like he says, or just had a change of heart on the deal? As commissioner, that's not my decision to make or figure out. Now if he came to me immediately after hitting submit sayin it was a mistake, then ok. But not after the deal was sitting out there and after the other owner accepted. Like I said before, I would leave it up to the other team in the trade. If he feels like cutting the guy a break, that's on him.
